I think itтАЩs just that online predators have got kids completely worked out. TheyтАЩve got very good at manipulating them into doing exactly what they want them to do, while I guess making the child think every decision they make has been their own.
Yes. Life in recent decades used to be about learning and experimenting until maybe you settle or find yourself on a path. And grow out of stuff or learn it's not so great or healthy. And you survived to be old enough to procreate. And your brain growth allows that by your mid-20s. Now we push kids into shark-infested waters with these devices and wonder where it all went wrong. If you can't see the creepy man is older than you in real life, and neither can your caregivers, or friends, you begin to trust and rely on that nice person (maybe your age or pretending to be, so much in common, honest) who is always there at the end of your phone when you're lonely or need to talk and everyone else is ignoring you and your needs. So you are groomed for weeks or months, hour after hour and very intensely. Society moved opportunities for grooming online and gave it the 21st Century tech psychedelic boost it really didn't need.
I'm on a few forums and there are some clearly vulnerable adults on them and I want to weep in despair at what we've done in this Century. I've been caught out with a few people where things didn't add up, then they disappeared or were blocked. So many needing help for such a range of issues. Asking total strangers, or very unstable and desperate, so very good moderation is needed. The 'usual' trolling or cruel or bizarre responses. I can't say, no! Don't drink bleach it won't cure your headache/ankle pain/mystery pain/dysphoria. People, including me, can and will believe anything with enough pressure or context to and where there is an element of trust. Too many very vulnerable people are being pushed online to seek help or support. There is nothing and no one giving them any help and they pour that all out on screen. Then people they should trust like teachers, doctors and parents are unable, lone voices, or pushing this propaganda. It's a different culture and the rules change and are hidden, until you get a poor or good response, then where can you go to work out why? Why online of course. 'On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog' is a very accurate image. Woof!
We had risks to deal with but they were all out in the physical world. A much smaller pool of predators to deal with. IтАЩve heard a couple of men on Benjamin BoyceтАЩs channel ( Richie and Alistair) say that the paedophiles were online as soon as it became a social phenomenon. Access to the worldтАЩs children. Or at least those parts that had internet access.
Yes, absolutely. Spatial analysis, we were literally only exposed to those who could access us with those physical locations or older forms of tech. We had perverts phoning us up or stealing underwear from washing lines and exposing themselves in the street. And local communities knew. An older lady was talking to me by chance about the local bobby who knew who the 'local pervert' and 'flasher' was. And we were taught and learnt warnings and to be wary (not that this can ever stop a determined abuser). Genderology has so many similarities to the Catholic Church and the way that too was and still is covered up. I was not allowed to be in rooms alone with some 'family priests' and it was 'managed' as best it could be. Everyone knew why, but only in my older teen years did I realise exactly why and things are still being revealed 50 years after events that happened before I was born. We have forgotten or not be bothered to learn those lessons at our peril. I cannot bear the sometimes deliberate naivety.
I am particularly interested in risk and behaviour and the application to public health in my work, so we are still trying to officially figure this out over twenty years (nearer 30) after it become so popular to move everything 'online'. I was an early adopter anyway for a few reasons and in the 90s forums when it was on the one hand geeky and an almost innocent time, but a steep learning curve, and those behaviours were there even back then. I am female and was actually taken more seriously in tech or 'male' fields, so when people then met me professionally in person for technical meetings (usually in groups of older men/men) the dynamic was quite different (what's a woman know about XYZ and I would be spoken over and credit for my work assumed to be by others). Tech and engineering has a high proportion of those who struggle with other forms of interaction and there is a lot of disturbing behaviour from successful or driven people so it was brilliant for many, but as you say, an open door with no safety measures and a heap of trust/identity checking failures that are both informal and formal that we go through in 'real' life.
When I used to chat with those who develop this online stuff, if you have kids, do your own kids use it? They were the ones saying 'no way' or 'only when they're old enough' and 'only for some things' decades ago.
The more parts of the world getting access later, which is allowing access and equality and all the good things like disease prevention and access to finance, they are also being thrown into the seedier and more damaging scam sides with fewer protections. And relatively much wealthier Western men have capitalised on that purchasing power. This is all in the hands of the few, so no wonder WPATH was full of male lawyers, business owners, surgeons, entrepreneurs, and software people.
Demon infested waters. I've heard the Vatican are still covering up for men like that, which does nothing to regain trust and respect. I happen to be just starting to look into Christianity, and am looking at the different types of churches, reading up on catechism and all that. I bet it's easier when you start as a child.
Yes. And you're right, it doesn't and many are still fighting to be heard. For me, well, it's familiar - so I think I tend to be slightly better at spotting (religious) indoctrination. It really takes your ability to flip your brain and believe (or not) the unthinkable that others are telling you isn't or can't be happening (but it is your experience, like abuse). It's in my lifetime that I had to keep quiet about my background for some jobs, or in some social groups and I wasn't really allowed to 'celebrate' Halloween or Guy Fawkes as a child. I still hear slurs now, and also about 'the Irish' within UK Government circles. Jokes about terrorism are not uncommon, or our supposed stupidity. I also get a bit annoyed when nice middle-class parents openly lie to get their kids into 'church' schools and then ask me what's going on having lied their way in. My friend's son was terrified about the crown of thorns and it was stopping him from sleeping. So much like that would terrify a small boy (and it used to me too as there were images up all around houses let alone the statues).
I was also part-in and part-out as my father was not of the same religion and then my parents divorced. I know a few who are lovely and happen to be of many other faiths, and quite a few 'lapsed' or less observant but very decent too. I do miss the better and definitely community aspects of faith and church which my grandparents and their communities relied on. I have been shown some amazing grace and kindness from some. But then from agnostics and atheists and those with no labels and beliefs too.
It sounds like being a Catholic child was not such an easy time of it. Speaking of images, I can remember twenty years back seeing life size alabaster crucifixes in church graveyards. It was quite surreal to me.
My childhood was Christian lite. A nan who made my parents get me christened in case I died and couldn't get into heaven, Hymns sung in school assembly, a mum who took us to a Methodist church because she wanted to make friends, and a grandma who believed in fairies. How does Catholicism stand on fairies I wonder.
Similar to my childhood in many respects as I was at a school where we sang hymns but it was very subtle and unforced and I sat with my Muslim friend who opted out of morning prayers and when I gave my reasoning I was allowed to sit and keep her company. My gran was apparently always sprinkling me with Holy water 'just in case' I wasn't being properly Catholic enough and shhh I was never baptised as a child and was also told I would go straight to hell by others who think that's a funny thing. My family were two sides of a sectarian divide. I have actually had these 'but what about fairies' and belief chats with nuns and priests and other fairly senior people who are much nicer, more welcoming and pragmatic. And also with hospital and other chaplains. I was in some ways protected by my mother due to her experiences, and so we weren't brought up 'in' the Church (still went to services and was confused by lots). My more Jesuitical and fairly unpleasant relative recently revealed how angry she still is at her for not letting us be 'in the fold' etc. Like we are lost sheep. My sister and I were viewed as outcasts. I feel very much for 'detransitioners' as being 'in' or 'ex' cultlike anything can be a hard route. I am not sure what I am now, I attended a church as an adult and then found it worse than Catholicism (it was Evangelical). And my great grandmother converted for love, so there we go.
A Catholic friend at Uni was shocked by my experiences and things had very much changed since - so you weren't/aren't ex-communicated for being divorced or with divorced parents and could receive blessings and be welcomed. I think I was still believing things that had actually changed - that shows how things can change despite your own little family or community holding on, especially true where you leave a country and hold the old ways dear. And a lot can change between generations.
Being in Ireland and seeing the shrines by the road taps into things we think going back Centuries - it's a mix of beliefs, spirituality and community. Very strangely I was discussing a large memorial to a relative of mine the other day - it was put up to remember someone who was much loved and that's what's supposed to be at the heart of all this.
But does F1nn5ter have child-bearing hips? I think not, nor will he ever have.
O god shivers my timbers that youngsters think this ok and encouraged , itтАЩs depraved and vile ,and our so called leaders think this is ok
IтАЩll be first in the revolution
O no wait IтАЩm not allowed to open my gob up here
I think itтАЩs just that online predators have got kids completely worked out. TheyтАЩve got very good at manipulating them into doing exactly what they want them to do, while I guess making the child think every decision they make has been their own.
Yes. Life in recent decades used to be about learning and experimenting until maybe you settle or find yourself on a path. And grow out of stuff or learn it's not so great or healthy. And you survived to be old enough to procreate. And your brain growth allows that by your mid-20s. Now we push kids into shark-infested waters with these devices and wonder where it all went wrong. If you can't see the creepy man is older than you in real life, and neither can your caregivers, or friends, you begin to trust and rely on that nice person (maybe your age or pretending to be, so much in common, honest) who is always there at the end of your phone when you're lonely or need to talk and everyone else is ignoring you and your needs. So you are groomed for weeks or months, hour after hour and very intensely. Society moved opportunities for grooming online and gave it the 21st Century tech psychedelic boost it really didn't need.
I'm on a few forums and there are some clearly vulnerable adults on them and I want to weep in despair at what we've done in this Century. I've been caught out with a few people where things didn't add up, then they disappeared or were blocked. So many needing help for such a range of issues. Asking total strangers, or very unstable and desperate, so very good moderation is needed. The 'usual' trolling or cruel or bizarre responses. I can't say, no! Don't drink bleach it won't cure your headache/ankle pain/mystery pain/dysphoria. People, including me, can and will believe anything with enough pressure or context to and where there is an element of trust. Too many very vulnerable people are being pushed online to seek help or support. There is nothing and no one giving them any help and they pour that all out on screen. Then people they should trust like teachers, doctors and parents are unable, lone voices, or pushing this propaganda. It's a different culture and the rules change and are hidden, until you get a poor or good response, then where can you go to work out why? Why online of course. 'On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog' is a very accurate image. Woof!
We had risks to deal with but they were all out in the physical world. A much smaller pool of predators to deal with. IтАЩve heard a couple of men on Benjamin BoyceтАЩs channel ( Richie and Alistair) say that the paedophiles were online as soon as it became a social phenomenon. Access to the worldтАЩs children. Or at least those parts that had internet access.
Yes, absolutely. Spatial analysis, we were literally only exposed to those who could access us with those physical locations or older forms of tech. We had perverts phoning us up or stealing underwear from washing lines and exposing themselves in the street. And local communities knew. An older lady was talking to me by chance about the local bobby who knew who the 'local pervert' and 'flasher' was. And we were taught and learnt warnings and to be wary (not that this can ever stop a determined abuser). Genderology has so many similarities to the Catholic Church and the way that too was and still is covered up. I was not allowed to be in rooms alone with some 'family priests' and it was 'managed' as best it could be. Everyone knew why, but only in my older teen years did I realise exactly why and things are still being revealed 50 years after events that happened before I was born. We have forgotten or not be bothered to learn those lessons at our peril. I cannot bear the sometimes deliberate naivety.
I am particularly interested in risk and behaviour and the application to public health in my work, so we are still trying to officially figure this out over twenty years (nearer 30) after it become so popular to move everything 'online'. I was an early adopter anyway for a few reasons and in the 90s forums when it was on the one hand geeky and an almost innocent time, but a steep learning curve, and those behaviours were there even back then. I am female and was actually taken more seriously in tech or 'male' fields, so when people then met me professionally in person for technical meetings (usually in groups of older men/men) the dynamic was quite different (what's a woman know about XYZ and I would be spoken over and credit for my work assumed to be by others). Tech and engineering has a high proportion of those who struggle with other forms of interaction and there is a lot of disturbing behaviour from successful or driven people so it was brilliant for many, but as you say, an open door with no safety measures and a heap of trust/identity checking failures that are both informal and formal that we go through in 'real' life.
When I used to chat with those who develop this online stuff, if you have kids, do your own kids use it? They were the ones saying 'no way' or 'only when they're old enough' and 'only for some things' decades ago.
The more parts of the world getting access later, which is allowing access and equality and all the good things like disease prevention and access to finance, they are also being thrown into the seedier and more damaging scam sides with fewer protections. And relatively much wealthier Western men have capitalised on that purchasing power. This is all in the hands of the few, so no wonder WPATH was full of male lawyers, business owners, surgeons, entrepreneurs, and software people.
Demon infested waters. I've heard the Vatican are still covering up for men like that, which does nothing to regain trust and respect. I happen to be just starting to look into Christianity, and am looking at the different types of churches, reading up on catechism and all that. I bet it's easier when you start as a child.
Yes. And you're right, it doesn't and many are still fighting to be heard. For me, well, it's familiar - so I think I tend to be slightly better at spotting (religious) indoctrination. It really takes your ability to flip your brain and believe (or not) the unthinkable that others are telling you isn't or can't be happening (but it is your experience, like abuse). It's in my lifetime that I had to keep quiet about my background for some jobs, or in some social groups and I wasn't really allowed to 'celebrate' Halloween or Guy Fawkes as a child. I still hear slurs now, and also about 'the Irish' within UK Government circles. Jokes about terrorism are not uncommon, or our supposed stupidity. I also get a bit annoyed when nice middle-class parents openly lie to get their kids into 'church' schools and then ask me what's going on having lied their way in. My friend's son was terrified about the crown of thorns and it was stopping him from sleeping. So much like that would terrify a small boy (and it used to me too as there were images up all around houses let alone the statues).
I was also part-in and part-out as my father was not of the same religion and then my parents divorced. I know a few who are lovely and happen to be of many other faiths, and quite a few 'lapsed' or less observant but very decent too. I do miss the better and definitely community aspects of faith and church which my grandparents and their communities relied on. I have been shown some amazing grace and kindness from some. But then from agnostics and atheists and those with no labels and beliefs too.
It sounds like being a Catholic child was not such an easy time of it. Speaking of images, I can remember twenty years back seeing life size alabaster crucifixes in church graveyards. It was quite surreal to me.
My childhood was Christian lite. A nan who made my parents get me christened in case I died and couldn't get into heaven, Hymns sung in school assembly, a mum who took us to a Methodist church because she wanted to make friends, and a grandma who believed in fairies. How does Catholicism stand on fairies I wonder.
Sorry, I meant life size alabaster crucifixes in Ireland.
Similar to my childhood in many respects as I was at a school where we sang hymns but it was very subtle and unforced and I sat with my Muslim friend who opted out of morning prayers and when I gave my reasoning I was allowed to sit and keep her company. My gran was apparently always sprinkling me with Holy water 'just in case' I wasn't being properly Catholic enough and shhh I was never baptised as a child and was also told I would go straight to hell by others who think that's a funny thing. My family were two sides of a sectarian divide. I have actually had these 'but what about fairies' and belief chats with nuns and priests and other fairly senior people who are much nicer, more welcoming and pragmatic. And also with hospital and other chaplains. I was in some ways protected by my mother due to her experiences, and so we weren't brought up 'in' the Church (still went to services and was confused by lots). My more Jesuitical and fairly unpleasant relative recently revealed how angry she still is at her for not letting us be 'in the fold' etc. Like we are lost sheep. My sister and I were viewed as outcasts. I feel very much for 'detransitioners' as being 'in' or 'ex' cultlike anything can be a hard route. I am not sure what I am now, I attended a church as an adult and then found it worse than Catholicism (it was Evangelical). And my great grandmother converted for love, so there we go.
A Catholic friend at Uni was shocked by my experiences and things had very much changed since - so you weren't/aren't ex-communicated for being divorced or with divorced parents and could receive blessings and be welcomed. I think I was still believing things that had actually changed - that shows how things can change despite your own little family or community holding on, especially true where you leave a country and hold the old ways dear. And a lot can change between generations.
Being in Ireland and seeing the shrines by the road taps into things we think going back Centuries - it's a mix of beliefs, spirituality and community. Very strangely I was discussing a large memorial to a relative of mine the other day - it was put up to remember someone who was much loved and that's what's supposed to be at the heart of all this.