So glad. As an older straight white woman. I feel that we all need to pull together over this rank ideology for mainly one thing - our future children Delighted that our gay friends can meet somewhere, unafraid to say what they think. Good luck all.
Thank you for letting us know this new group has been established, and good luck to all its members.
It's a challenge; the Rainbow Mafia has a wide reach and many people don't understand why many LGBs don't want to be glued to the Ts and Qs. See https://lgballiance.org.uk/dont-call-me-queer/.
Great to welcome you guys and good to know that you exist! If you can stop the forced teaming of the Gay successes and goodwill with the bigoted Trans rights grab then you will have made a huge step towards fairness and freedom for everyone. Good luck.
It's heartening to know that these groups are being set up and are growing. For too long a vocal minority are holding the rest of a community to ransom. I hope these groups have more luck than women do when they try to meet.
I'm in the United States. I am a gay man and an anti-trans activist, so I know all about this. I have had pro-trans gay men call me a "bigot" (what a fucking nerve!). I have seen the gay groups, like GLAAD, overtaken by trans activists. But I can't support a group like HumanGayMale. I prefer to isolate gays in their own group, like the group that calls themselves LGB Alliance. I want the Lesbians in my group (even though some Lesbians seem to hate men).
When I was young, I had both women and gay men as friends. Now in old age, I have fewer friends, but they are still divided between gay men and women.
When I was young and hanging out in Greenwich Village, gay men showed little or no interest in drag queens or cross-gender "women". Now, however (according to what I've read, as I don't go to bars any more), every gay bar is a sanctuary for drag queens and trans people. New York City had its tranny bar, and, to the best of my knowledge, very few gay men went to it.
My reason for being anti-trans has partly to do with supporting women (having concluded during a long life that women, though they are 51% of the population, are the most oppressed group in the world). But another reason is that human society must be based on logical ideas for it to be healthy, and the idea that a man can become a "real" woman by virtue of his feelings is total nonsense.
As an old man with multiple health problems, all of my activism is done on the internet. Most recently I was kicked off the Washington Post (for the second time!) for leaving anti-trans comments on the articles. My comments were always well written and never contained any abusive language, but the moderators nonetheless deleted them frequently. The comment that got deleted the most was the one which said:
"The concept of 'gender identity' was dreamed up by trans people as a way to legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public. What they don't realize is that trans people don't need legitimizing. If you are a man who feels like a woman, or a woman who feels like a man, then that is what you are, and you have a right to exist in society as much as anyone else does. But the idea that your gender identity makes you a real member of the opposite sex is preposterous. Trans people need to stop all the pretending and be honest about what they are."
So even though I acknowledged that trans people have a right to exist, they deleted that comment NINE TIMES and then suspended my account for a day.
My only gay male friend now is a correspondent who lives in Germany (he grew up in America, and I had a crush on him when we were young). He doesn't exactly fit into any of the groups mentioned in the article. But he defends trans people to me -- even though he hates the pronoun crap. He relates to trans people because he remembers what an outcast he felt when he was young, so he relates to any and all outcasts. I keep explaining how trans people are harming society with their ideology, but he dismisses that as unimportant. He certainly isn't a feminist in any way. Indeed, I think he's one of those gay men who only had male friends.
I am still trying to figure out why transgender ideology, dreamed up by the smallest and oddest minority group in the world, has managed to overwhelm the logic of most liberals in society. Somehow, the trans activists have managed to make the ideology addictive -- possibly by portraying themselves as the most pitiful of all pitiful minorities. But that only explains part of it. This is the most illogical trend I have ever seen in my life.
Wonderful that such a get together has been set up. Fabulous. I am willing to bet a lot of money that you won't see an angry mob (or even a single person) of women outside, pretending to be men and demanding entry. Blowing hooters and howling through loud speakers. Which clearly sums up the fetish element in trans identified males claiming to be lesbians who gate crash lesbian events. It would be such a great push against the madness if more gay men spoke out.
Thank you. I can passthis onto my gay friends who are in tbe "Afraid" group. They want to do something but dont know how or where to start. And too often are being pushed by their female relatives to make a stand but work in orgs filled with alfabetti soup people.
This is encouraging news! Good luck with taking the group forward. It would be good to see updates on progress from time to time. Sending loads of best wishes! :)
Good luck with this - particularly in Edinburgh. You’ll do well if the event is not cancelled (as happened to gender critical comedians at the Fringe).
1) Gay male spaces (bars, sex clubs, bathhouses) have been collapsing since the advent of online hookups. It’s been going on since the mid-90’s. That being said, nobody I know will tolerate “queer” in the title of a venue. Men in my circle are also clear that if anything even remotely resembling a trans activist is nearby, the business will lose money from them. Bars with FTM bartenders immediately have declining revenue, seems nobody wants to flirt with a dickless wonder.
2) A friend of mine who owns and manages a gay news site edits out 95% of trans stories from newswires - they kill revenue from ad placement because nobody reads them.
3) No gay men I know of in my generation (born in the 60’s or 70’s) tolerates anti-women trans nonsense. Out of a circle of 100 or so friends, nobody is interested in the shit, and nobody is afraid of calling it out. There is zero chance of social ostracism or violent trannies.
4) Drag queens and Female impersonators I know from clubs aggressively reject trans labels, and dissociate themselves from anything to do with it.
5) Most gay activists of my generation are dead, presumably of HIV. (I have the magic homozygous CCR5 Delta32 mutation rendering me effectively immune). What few remain are not going to the frontline for women, their fightin’ days are over. Few men I know bother with gay pride anymore because it’s viewed as entirely trans now and utterly not representing gay interests.
6) Nobody I know supports HRC or other similar activist organizations anymore because they are perceived as anti-gay trans nests. I think most people are waiting for an implosion.
Wishing you all the very best and I hope you can reclaim the lost ground taken from you by the "gay" ( now TQ++++) charity , Stonewall (et alia). I'm a heterosexual woman but I fully support the rights of LGB people to live their lives uninvaded and unmolested by gender ideologues !! Good luck x
This is really good news. Great for gay men and for women who see the da gers of Gender Ideology. It will be interesting to see if you attract the trouble women do when they try to organise around this issue. Will the activists have the courage to attempt the intimidation tactics they use on us? I doubt it.
|It is a gay man issue. Consider this - you are approached by a transman (who is really a woman) and you reject her and so now you are the transphobe. x
So glad. As an older straight white woman. I feel that we all need to pull together over this rank ideology for mainly one thing - our future children Delighted that our gay friends can meet somewhere, unafraid to say what they think. Good luck all.
Thank you for letting us know this new group has been established, and good luck to all its members.
It's a challenge; the Rainbow Mafia has a wide reach and many people don't understand why many LGBs don't want to be glued to the Ts and Qs. See https://lgballiance.org.uk/dont-call-me-queer/.
Great to welcome you guys and good to know that you exist! If you can stop the forced teaming of the Gay successes and goodwill with the bigoted Trans rights grab then you will have made a huge step towards fairness and freedom for everyone. Good luck.
It's heartening to know that these groups are being set up and are growing. For too long a vocal minority are holding the rest of a community to ransom. I hope these groups have more luck than women do when they try to meet.
I'm in the United States. I am a gay man and an anti-trans activist, so I know all about this. I have had pro-trans gay men call me a "bigot" (what a fucking nerve!). I have seen the gay groups, like GLAAD, overtaken by trans activists. But I can't support a group like HumanGayMale. I prefer to isolate gays in their own group, like the group that calls themselves LGB Alliance. I want the Lesbians in my group (even though some Lesbians seem to hate men).
When I was young, I had both women and gay men as friends. Now in old age, I have fewer friends, but they are still divided between gay men and women.
When I was young and hanging out in Greenwich Village, gay men showed little or no interest in drag queens or cross-gender "women". Now, however (according to what I've read, as I don't go to bars any more), every gay bar is a sanctuary for drag queens and trans people. New York City had its tranny bar, and, to the best of my knowledge, very few gay men went to it.
My reason for being anti-trans has partly to do with supporting women (having concluded during a long life that women, though they are 51% of the population, are the most oppressed group in the world). But another reason is that human society must be based on logical ideas for it to be healthy, and the idea that a man can become a "real" woman by virtue of his feelings is total nonsense.
As an old man with multiple health problems, all of my activism is done on the internet. Most recently I was kicked off the Washington Post (for the second time!) for leaving anti-trans comments on the articles. My comments were always well written and never contained any abusive language, but the moderators nonetheless deleted them frequently. The comment that got deleted the most was the one which said:
"The concept of 'gender identity' was dreamed up by trans people as a way to legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public. What they don't realize is that trans people don't need legitimizing. If you are a man who feels like a woman, or a woman who feels like a man, then that is what you are, and you have a right to exist in society as much as anyone else does. But the idea that your gender identity makes you a real member of the opposite sex is preposterous. Trans people need to stop all the pretending and be honest about what they are."
So even though I acknowledged that trans people have a right to exist, they deleted that comment NINE TIMES and then suspended my account for a day.
My only gay male friend now is a correspondent who lives in Germany (he grew up in America, and I had a crush on him when we were young). He doesn't exactly fit into any of the groups mentioned in the article. But he defends trans people to me -- even though he hates the pronoun crap. He relates to trans people because he remembers what an outcast he felt when he was young, so he relates to any and all outcasts. I keep explaining how trans people are harming society with their ideology, but he dismisses that as unimportant. He certainly isn't a feminist in any way. Indeed, I think he's one of those gay men who only had male friends.
I am still trying to figure out why transgender ideology, dreamed up by the smallest and oddest minority group in the world, has managed to overwhelm the logic of most liberals in society. Somehow, the trans activists have managed to make the ideology addictive -- possibly by portraying themselves as the most pitiful of all pitiful minorities. But that only explains part of it. This is the most illogical trend I have ever seen in my life.
Wonderful that such a get together has been set up. Fabulous. I am willing to bet a lot of money that you won't see an angry mob (or even a single person) of women outside, pretending to be men and demanding entry. Blowing hooters and howling through loud speakers. Which clearly sums up the fetish element in trans identified males claiming to be lesbians who gate crash lesbian events. It would be such a great push against the madness if more gay men spoke out.
All the best.
Thank you. I can passthis onto my gay friends who are in tbe "Afraid" group. They want to do something but dont know how or where to start. And too often are being pushed by their female relatives to make a stand but work in orgs filled with alfabetti soup people.
This is encouraging news! Good luck with taking the group forward. It would be good to see updates on progress from time to time. Sending loads of best wishes! :)
Good luck with this - particularly in Edinburgh. You’ll do well if the event is not cancelled (as happened to gender critical comedians at the Fringe).
Great piece, James and best of luck to the new group
Will cross post
Dusty
Good luck with your group. I hope it flourishes. I have sent this to my gay male friend in an 'apathetic category'. One can only hope.
1) Gay male spaces (bars, sex clubs, bathhouses) have been collapsing since the advent of online hookups. It’s been going on since the mid-90’s. That being said, nobody I know will tolerate “queer” in the title of a venue. Men in my circle are also clear that if anything even remotely resembling a trans activist is nearby, the business will lose money from them. Bars with FTM bartenders immediately have declining revenue, seems nobody wants to flirt with a dickless wonder.
2) A friend of mine who owns and manages a gay news site edits out 95% of trans stories from newswires - they kill revenue from ad placement because nobody reads them.
3) No gay men I know of in my generation (born in the 60’s or 70’s) tolerates anti-women trans nonsense. Out of a circle of 100 or so friends, nobody is interested in the shit, and nobody is afraid of calling it out. There is zero chance of social ostracism or violent trannies.
4) Drag queens and Female impersonators I know from clubs aggressively reject trans labels, and dissociate themselves from anything to do with it.
5) Most gay activists of my generation are dead, presumably of HIV. (I have the magic homozygous CCR5 Delta32 mutation rendering me effectively immune). What few remain are not going to the frontline for women, their fightin’ days are over. Few men I know bother with gay pride anymore because it’s viewed as entirely trans now and utterly not representing gay interests.
6) Nobody I know supports HRC or other similar activist organizations anymore because they are perceived as anti-gay trans nests. I think most people are waiting for an implosion.
Wishing you all the very best and I hope you can reclaim the lost ground taken from you by the "gay" ( now TQ++++) charity , Stonewall (et alia). I'm a heterosexual woman but I fully support the rights of LGB people to live their lives uninvaded and unmolested by gender ideologues !! Good luck x
This is really good news. Great for gay men and for women who see the da gers of Gender Ideology. It will be interesting to see if you attract the trouble women do when they try to organise around this issue. Will the activists have the courage to attempt the intimidation tactics they use on us? I doubt it.
|It is a gay man issue. Consider this - you are approached by a transman (who is really a woman) and you reject her and so now you are the transphobe. x