This is absolutely extraordinary. Kellie-Jay Keen has been contacted by Zoom—that’s ZOOM— and told that she’s promoting hate. So if her kids want to keep getting an education during lockdown, she has to watch her lip, or this company in San Jose will watch it for her.
Zoom also doesn't include sex as a protected characteristic. We need alternative methods of doing everything the mainstream digital dingbats control. There is a group, https://www.aneconomyofourown.org/events that is meeting in a couple of hours to design an economy that isn't part of the patriarchy. Registration is closed, but I think I am registered. I hope they send me a link and that they haven't been no platformed from Zoom.
We believe that hateful conduct is conduct that promotes violence against or directly attacks or threatens other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease. We will not allow access to Zoom to those who have used or intend to use it for the purpose of inciting harm towards others on the basis of these categories. We reserve the right to consider and add additional categories. You may not use your username, display name or profile information to abuse or threaten anyone. Accounts that do so may be permanently suspended. Moreover, there is no place on Zoom for organizations that promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.
I have two questions:
(1) Why does this list not include (biological) sex? In the UK and US legislation to protect "minorities" started with the sex category of women because they are frequently attacked - sexually attacked with rape or domestic violence overwhelmingly perpetrated by men against women. Women are physically smaller and weaker. Women need protection as much or more than ever.
"Gender" is a much later addition with a more problematic definition. "Gender" does not replace biological sex, the reproductive category essential for the continuation of our species.
Please add sex to the list above. Thank you.
(2) Please give the "accused" a full and fair right of reply.
Why do you accept the accusations of unnamed informants without a right of reply to the accused?
Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull aka "Posie Parker" is a well-known gender-critical feminist in the UK and worldwide. She offers a robust but always polite argument in favour of an intellectual criticism of "gender". She has recently been accused by an unnamed activist of infringing the "hateful conduct" code, which seems extraordinary - she is firm but always, always polite. She simply cannot be accused of "promoting violence or directly attacking or threatening" anyone!
Please name the informant, and give a full right of reply to the "accused". This is in line with basic standards of fairness. Please take into account the language and tone of informants who are, in many cases, truly promoting violence and directly attacking and threatening the very people whom they accuse of attacking them. This is a well-know psychological tactic called "DARVO": "Defend, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender". In other words the informant is the Attacker.
Please reply to me. Please reassure me that you will make the changes which I am asking for. Thank you.
You will lose market share to your competitors if you allow misogynists to decide what constitutes "hateful conduct".
OK- I've just sent this to Zoom and will be sending out to my networks for others to send. Cheers! Dear Zoom,
It has come to my attention that you have suspended and threatened to permanently suspend a British woman from your service for 'hateful conduct'.
You state, in your letter to her, that users of your services may not "promote violence against, threaten, or harrass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disablility, or serious disease."
As a regular user of Zoom, I would like to know the following:
1) Why you have not included 'sex' as a protected category? In both the USA and the UK, women are protected from discrimination by law under the category of sex. This has been absolutely vital in the promotion of equality between men and women in society affecting areas such equal pay, maternity rights, protection from violence and domestic abuse. It has also helped to facilitate the full participation of women in society, a recent example televised in the film by Ruth Bader-Ginsberg about her rise to become Supreme Court Judge in the USA. Just one example of something that could not have happened without anti-sex discrimination.
Your omission of such an important legal device is deeply concerning and raises questions about your organisations attitudes towards women.
2) The woman who received the complaint is an outspoken feminist in Britain. Further to your omission to include women in your list of protected categories, it seems that you also wish to silence women from using your services. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull aka Posie Parker runs a campaign whose main tenet is the dictionary definition of the word 'woman'. Of course, this definition is available to everybody who bothers to use the Oxford English dictionary and it is: 'adult female human being'. Please could you tell me which part of your hateful conduct policy this is in breach of and whether or not you plan to make clear to all users of Zoom that using the word woman to mean 'adult female human being' will now be considered as hate speech if so.
OK- I've just sent this to Zoom and will be sending out to my networks for others to send. Cheers! Dear Zoom,
It has come to my attention that you have suspended and threatened to permanently suspend a British woman from your service for 'hateful conduct'.
You state, in your letter to her, that users of your services may not "promote violence against, threaten, or harrass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disablility, or serious disease."
As a regular user of Zoom, I would like to know the following:
1) Why you have not included 'sex' as a protected category? In both the USA and the UK, women are protected from discrimination by law under the category of sex. This has been absolutely vital in the promotion of equality between men and women in society affecting areas such equal pay, maternity rights, protection from violence and domestic abuse. It has also helped to facilitate the full participation of women in society, a recent example televised in the film by Ruth Bader-Ginsberg about her rise to become Supreme Court Judge in the USA. Just one example of something that could not have happened without anti-sex discrimination.
Your omission of such an important legal device is deeply concerning and raises questions about your organisations attitudes towards women.
2) The woman who received the complaint is an outspoken feminist in Britain. Further to your omission to include women in your list of protected categories, it seems that you also wish to silence women from using your services. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull aka Posie Parker runs a campaign whose main tenet is the dictionary definition of the word 'woman'. Of course, this definition is available to everybody who bothers to use the Oxford English dictionary and it is: 'adult female human being'. Please could you tell me which part of your hateful conduct policy this is in breach of and whether or not you plan to make clear to all users of Zoom that using the word woman to mean 'adult female human being' will now be considered as hate speech if so.
No one here will be in the least bit surprised that Zoom, in their job application form, asks for the applicant's preferred pronouns...
Zoom also doesn't include sex as a protected characteristic. We need alternative methods of doing everything the mainstream digital dingbats control. There is a group, https://www.aneconomyofourown.org/events that is meeting in a couple of hours to design an economy that isn't part of the patriarchy. Registration is closed, but I think I am registered. I hope they send me a link and that they haven't been no platformed from Zoom.
Good on you both, and much power to Kellie's elbow. This is just another beacon of panic from the other side xxx
The "hate speech" clause has gone bonkers across multiple platforms. Magdalen Berns spoke out against "hate speech" laws. They are easy to weaponise.
I have written to Zoom: info@zoom.us
Dear Sirs,
Your "hateful conduct" page (https://zoom.us/community-standards) says:
We believe that hateful conduct is conduct that promotes violence against or directly attacks or threatens other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease. We will not allow access to Zoom to those who have used or intend to use it for the purpose of inciting harm towards others on the basis of these categories. We reserve the right to consider and add additional categories. You may not use your username, display name or profile information to abuse or threaten anyone. Accounts that do so may be permanently suspended. Moreover, there is no place on Zoom for organizations that promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.
I have two questions:
(1) Why does this list not include (biological) sex? In the UK and US legislation to protect "minorities" started with the sex category of women because they are frequently attacked - sexually attacked with rape or domestic violence overwhelmingly perpetrated by men against women. Women are physically smaller and weaker. Women need protection as much or more than ever.
"Gender" is a much later addition with a more problematic definition. "Gender" does not replace biological sex, the reproductive category essential for the continuation of our species.
Please add sex to the list above. Thank you.
(2) Please give the "accused" a full and fair right of reply.
Why do you accept the accusations of unnamed informants without a right of reply to the accused?
Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull aka "Posie Parker" is a well-known gender-critical feminist in the UK and worldwide. She offers a robust but always polite argument in favour of an intellectual criticism of "gender". She has recently been accused by an unnamed activist of infringing the "hateful conduct" code, which seems extraordinary - she is firm but always, always polite. She simply cannot be accused of "promoting violence or directly attacking or threatening" anyone!
Please name the informant, and give a full right of reply to the "accused". This is in line with basic standards of fairness. Please take into account the language and tone of informants who are, in many cases, truly promoting violence and directly attacking and threatening the very people whom they accuse of attacking them. This is a well-know psychological tactic called "DARVO": "Defend, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender". In other words the informant is the Attacker.
Please reply to me. Please reassure me that you will make the changes which I am asking for. Thank you.
You will lose market share to your competitors if you allow misogynists to decide what constitutes "hateful conduct".
Yours sincerely
You are both brilliant.
Can we do something to help Posie?
Reasesing all the furries as well as the furies.
Well fuck them, plenty other ways tae speak tae folk 😡
What does she want us to do? We can all buy another T shirt for a start https://www.standingforwomen.com
another woman who speaks the truth shut down by angry men
OK- I've just sent this to Zoom and will be sending out to my networks for others to send. Cheers! Dear Zoom,
It has come to my attention that you have suspended and threatened to permanently suspend a British woman from your service for 'hateful conduct'.
You state, in your letter to her, that users of your services may not "promote violence against, threaten, or harrass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disablility, or serious disease."
As a regular user of Zoom, I would like to know the following:
1) Why you have not included 'sex' as a protected category? In both the USA and the UK, women are protected from discrimination by law under the category of sex. This has been absolutely vital in the promotion of equality between men and women in society affecting areas such equal pay, maternity rights, protection from violence and domestic abuse. It has also helped to facilitate the full participation of women in society, a recent example televised in the film by Ruth Bader-Ginsberg about her rise to become Supreme Court Judge in the USA. Just one example of something that could not have happened without anti-sex discrimination.
Your omission of such an important legal device is deeply concerning and raises questions about your organisations attitudes towards women.
2) The woman who received the complaint is an outspoken feminist in Britain. Further to your omission to include women in your list of protected categories, it seems that you also wish to silence women from using your services. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull aka Posie Parker runs a campaign whose main tenet is the dictionary definition of the word 'woman'. Of course, this definition is available to everybody who bothers to use the Oxford English dictionary and it is: 'adult female human being'. Please could you tell me which part of your hateful conduct policy this is in breach of and whether or not you plan to make clear to all users of Zoom that using the word woman to mean 'adult female human being' will now be considered as hate speech if so.
Thank you for your time. I expect a response.
Jessica Fenn-Samuelsen
OK- I've just sent this to Zoom and will be sending out to my networks for others to send. Cheers! Dear Zoom,
It has come to my attention that you have suspended and threatened to permanently suspend a British woman from your service for 'hateful conduct'.
You state, in your letter to her, that users of your services may not "promote violence against, threaten, or harrass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disablility, or serious disease."
As a regular user of Zoom, I would like to know the following:
1) Why you have not included 'sex' as a protected category? In both the USA and the UK, women are protected from discrimination by law under the category of sex. This has been absolutely vital in the promotion of equality between men and women in society affecting areas such equal pay, maternity rights, protection from violence and domestic abuse. It has also helped to facilitate the full participation of women in society, a recent example televised in the film by Ruth Bader-Ginsberg about her rise to become Supreme Court Judge in the USA. Just one example of something that could not have happened without anti-sex discrimination.
Your omission of such an important legal device is deeply concerning and raises questions about your organisations attitudes towards women.
2) The woman who received the complaint is an outspoken feminist in Britain. Further to your omission to include women in your list of protected categories, it seems that you also wish to silence women from using your services. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull aka Posie Parker runs a campaign whose main tenet is the dictionary definition of the word 'woman'. Of course, this definition is available to everybody who bothers to use the Oxford English dictionary and it is: 'adult female human being'. Please could you tell me which part of your hateful conduct policy this is in breach of and whether or not you plan to make clear to all users of Zoom that using the word woman to mean 'adult female human being' will now be considered as hate speech if so.
Thank you for your time. I expect a response.
Jessica Fenn-Samuelsen
I'm gonna write today as well
I love Posie!! <3