She deleted it and tweeted a complete non-apology. Many people like Laurie genuinely believe that they are speaking for a majority of like minded people and absolutely do not realise how quickly their friends/ followers will go silent when the shit truly hits the fan. You know about fair weather friends better than anyone Graham, but now you have hundreds perhaps even thousands of people like me who you’ve perhaps never met, perhaps never spoken to, silently standing and waiting by your side, who will be there when you need us to be.
Yes, judging by what I've read of her output online her middle name must be mediocrity and I certainly wouldn't waste a farthing to get access to anything she's written. This piece from her substack (substandard?) hilariously reveals the bloated sense of self importance she lugs around with herself:
"I also told them that at some point soon, whether they like the idea or not, they’ll find themselves having to make an active moral choice about whose ideas are worthy. I said that the time is coming when all platforms and publishers will need to take a stand somewhere, and I advised them to start thinking now about how to do so with dignity."
Obviously it simply would never occur to her it might in fact be hers whose ideas are the less worthy.
"I could explain that fascists don't come to the marketplace of ideas to shop." Oooh, now isn't that profound? Actually no. In the context of the piece it's an attempted subtlety aimed at equating anyone critical of the transgender agenda with fascism. Which apart from being rabid nonsense is just intolerably tedious.
But a paragraph later she actually does (however accidentally it may have happened) say something closer to profound:
"People believe what they believe on the basis of faith, not just facts. "
Yes, and don't we know it here in the gender sceptical camp? I get the distinct impression from her scrawling though that there is one particular faith she would prefer to see made legally impervious to facts.
"It’s far easier to understand why someone is clinging on to an idea that obviously isn’t working if you consider what will happen if they let go."
Yes, what indeed would happen if the hyper woke let go of their potty ideas that gender is inborn, that trans women are women, that biological sex is a sideline issue, that it's a sin to call a person who menstruates a woman, that 'misgendering' is violence? Pretty much nothing I would guess other than that we could once again get on with living our lives as before and dysphorics could get better help to learn to live with their problem, just as we all get help to live with the various personal problems we have instead of insisting upon rearranging the world to make it look as if it's the world and not our person which has the problem.
Laurie Penny seems superficially to be a free speech advocate but perhaps not for those whose ideas stand in contrast to her own. Perhaps she could read a little Voltaire to brighten her dreary woke life up a bit?
I will definitely donate to any CrowdFunder for Graham. As one of the very, very few men who was willing to even try to help women and girls retain their human rights he has earned my loyalty.
My already poor view of Laurie is, to my own amazment, now even lower. Despite her deleting such a stupid comment. She really must be scraping the bottom of the conceptual barrel.
She doesn't actually seem to understand that it's not free speech if it's defamation or that different countries have different variations in law regarding defamation.
This is why we don't need hate speech laws, which are restrictive and far too broad. We already have laws against defamation to stop people like her doing things like this. Defamation does not = free speech.
And the libellous book-burning, cancel-culture-loving, ad homimen-spouting, cry-bullying, misogynistic tinpot dictators call US gender critical people "fascists".
It's not bigoted to be concerned about impressionable young people harming themselves with unnecessary surgery and taking hormones, which in later years, when reality kicks in, many will come to regret.
It's not bigoted to be concerned about pervy blokes taking advantage of self-id.
It's not bigoted to be concerned about women losing their single-sex spaces, services and sports.
It's not bigoted to be concerned about a tiny minority forcing their entitled beliefs on the rest of society.
I suspect deep down people like Penny know this. They know they're losing the argument, so all they can do is lash out at anyone who speaks up.
Turns out, she's trying to get paid subscribers for her Substack. Good luck with that. TRA types are generally very big mouthed and brave behind a screen, but when it comes to putting their money where their misogynistic mouths are, not so much. Almost like they have no real skin in the game, and are just enjoying harassing women when it's easy to do so.
She’s a plant. I’m certain that a lot of these disgusting people are paid operatives. Why else have they lost all ethical responsibility in the last few years? For the sake of a few hundred Twitter likes? I don’t think so.
She has no decent argument and is lashing out because that's all she has.
The house of cards is slipping. You are instrumental in bringing people to this fight by continuing to shine a light on their contemptible lies. You are on the right side, fighting for women and kids. I appreciate your dedication and integrity and I hope you can see the support for the GC cause growing daily.
I've said this before, but truly the very best thing Twatter ever did was ban you. They freed you from arguing with deliberately disingenous gynophobes and the Wokestapo useful idiots. They gave you a new income stream, and you in return have given the world this fabulous resource.
You have catalogued the extremities of transgender aggression and misogyny in a way nobody else has, while still being entirely fair to those transgender people who do just want the right to dress, live and love as they please.
I think she's trying to be quirky and funny in an ironic kind of way. Groan. But really she's making the same point in a way that'll get her more "likes". What she said wasn't getting so many likes outside of her own little echoe chamber the first time around. In fact, Helen completely obliterated her weak attempts at argument.
She deleted it and tweeted a complete non-apology. Many people like Laurie genuinely believe that they are speaking for a majority of like minded people and absolutely do not realise how quickly their friends/ followers will go silent when the shit truly hits the fan. You know about fair weather friends better than anyone Graham, but now you have hundreds perhaps even thousands of people like me who you’ve perhaps never met, perhaps never spoken to, silently standing and waiting by your side, who will be there when you need us to be.
Reasoned debate is hate speech now. This terrifies me.
I'm happy to donate to a crowdfunder for your legal costs, GL.
God, LP’s twitter output is such a car crash of wonky, desperate, manipulative nonsense — and yet somehow boring at the same time
Yes, judging by what I've read of her output online her middle name must be mediocrity and I certainly wouldn't waste a farthing to get access to anything she's written. This piece from her substack (substandard?) hilariously reveals the bloated sense of self importance she lugs around with herself:
"I also told them that at some point soon, whether they like the idea or not, they’ll find themselves having to make an active moral choice about whose ideas are worthy. I said that the time is coming when all platforms and publishers will need to take a stand somewhere, and I advised them to start thinking now about how to do so with dignity."
Obviously it simply would never occur to her it might in fact be hers whose ideas are the less worthy.
"I could explain that fascists don't come to the marketplace of ideas to shop." Oooh, now isn't that profound? Actually no. In the context of the piece it's an attempted subtlety aimed at equating anyone critical of the transgender agenda with fascism. Which apart from being rabid nonsense is just intolerably tedious.
But a paragraph later she actually does (however accidentally it may have happened) say something closer to profound:
"People believe what they believe on the basis of faith, not just facts. "
Yes, and don't we know it here in the gender sceptical camp? I get the distinct impression from her scrawling though that there is one particular faith she would prefer to see made legally impervious to facts.
"It’s far easier to understand why someone is clinging on to an idea that obviously isn’t working if you consider what will happen if they let go."
Yes, what indeed would happen if the hyper woke let go of their potty ideas that gender is inborn, that trans women are women, that biological sex is a sideline issue, that it's a sin to call a person who menstruates a woman, that 'misgendering' is violence? Pretty much nothing I would guess other than that we could once again get on with living our lives as before and dysphorics could get better help to learn to live with their problem, just as we all get help to live with the various personal problems we have instead of insisting upon rearranging the world to make it look as if it's the world and not our person which has the problem.
Laurie Penny seems superficially to be a free speech advocate but perhaps not for those whose ideas stand in contrast to her own. Perhaps she could read a little Voltaire to brighten her dreary woke life up a bit?
Call your lawyers. We can donate.
I will definitely donate to any CrowdFunder for Graham. As one of the very, very few men who was willing to even try to help women and girls retain their human rights he has earned my loyalty.
I will contribute. Would love to see her in court.
Yep
My already poor view of Laurie is, to my own amazment, now even lower. Despite her deleting such a stupid comment. She really must be scraping the bottom of the conceptual barrel.
Its like she is just trying to court controversy … but is useless at it.
And Grace (don't let your parents listen in to my online lessons) Lavery is no name to bring up for respectability.
LP made me come here to pay and subscribe haha
An astonishingly stupid thing to say, even for Penny who does not exactly have a long, rich history of saying intelligent things.
Her inability to think for herself or to understand human language is laid absolutely bare in that thread. She is hopelessly outclassed by Helen.
She just posted:
https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/1437159880117391369
"Graham Linehan, free speech champion, has threatened me with legal action unless I delete a tweet and apologise. Here’s the apology:
I apologise for calling Graham Linehan a vile bigot. Never having met him, I have no idea if he is vile, and it was wrong of me to say so.
I further apologise for suggesting that no publishing company should help Linehan publish his hate speech.
It was wrong of me to single him out that way. No publishing company should help anyone publish hate speech."
Child.
She’s trying to play the victim now. DARVO. How original.
She doesn't actually seem to understand that it's not free speech if it's defamation or that different countries have different variations in law regarding defamation.
This is why we don't need hate speech laws, which are restrictive and far too broad. We already have laws against defamation to stop people like her doing things like this. Defamation does not = free speech.
Perhaps she's just not terribly bright.
"Perhaps she's just not terribly bright."
This is true. She gets confused very easily. I don't think she knows how to tell a good argument from a bad one or, you know, reality from nonsense.
That’s not exactly an apology nor is it funny. This is not OK.
I hope she apologizes, Graham. But if you have to sue, do so. Penny is one of the vilest apologists for this scam.
And the libellous book-burning, cancel-culture-loving, ad homimen-spouting, cry-bullying, misogynistic tinpot dictators call US gender critical people "fascists".
It's not bigoted to be concerned about impressionable young people harming themselves with unnecessary surgery and taking hormones, which in later years, when reality kicks in, many will come to regret.
It's not bigoted to be concerned about pervy blokes taking advantage of self-id.
It's not bigoted to be concerned about women losing their single-sex spaces, services and sports.
It's not bigoted to be concerned about a tiny minority forcing their entitled beliefs on the rest of society.
I suspect deep down people like Penny know this. They know they're losing the argument, so all they can do is lash out at anyone who speaks up.
Turns out, she's trying to get paid subscribers for her Substack. Good luck with that. TRA types are generally very big mouthed and brave behind a screen, but when it comes to putting their money where their misogynistic mouths are, not so much. Almost like they have no real skin in the game, and are just enjoying harassing women when it's easy to do so.
I just read her latest piece on the Stack.
Boy, that's a lot of words for "I got called out for telling a little girl it's rude of her to stare at her flasher's cock."
Yes. I doubt Laurie will get many paying subscribers.
If it is any compensation I had never heard of this silly child before watching you channel.
But I have been entertained by your talented comedy for years.
And you have shone a light for those of us waking up to this nonsense, even when you are feeling glum and under pressure.
You are the very opposite of this silly child's crys for attention.
We have your back.
She’s a plant. I’m certain that a lot of these disgusting people are paid operatives. Why else have they lost all ethical responsibility in the last few years? For the sake of a few hundred Twitter likes? I don’t think so.
It does make you wonder…
She has no decent argument and is lashing out because that's all she has.
The house of cards is slipping. You are instrumental in bringing people to this fight by continuing to shine a light on their contemptible lies. You are on the right side, fighting for women and kids. I appreciate your dedication and integrity and I hope you can see the support for the GC cause growing daily.
I've said this before, but truly the very best thing Twatter ever did was ban you. They freed you from arguing with deliberately disingenous gynophobes and the Wokestapo useful idiots. They gave you a new income stream, and you in return have given the world this fabulous resource.
You have catalogued the extremities of transgender aggression and misogyny in a way nobody else has, while still being entirely fair to those transgender people who do just want the right to dress, live and love as they please.
I think you should run for politics.
It appears to have been deleted
Yes, it's gone!
Oh I'm glad I got the boot in when I did. Although she's blocked!
What is she playing at?
I think she's trying to be quirky and funny in an ironic kind of way. Groan. But really she's making the same point in a way that'll get her more "likes". What she said wasn't getting so many likes outside of her own little echoe chamber the first time around. In fact, Helen completely obliterated her weak attempts at argument.
Trying to get away with not actually apologising, while realising she has gone too far and really has to, I'd say.
Yeah and I've now got that Kate Bush song in my head with the lyrics changed to 'we're crowd-fundin' baby'!!!