MG - calls JN to the witness chair. Good morning, points out the bundles on the desk, requests him to take out Bundle 1, turn to tab 23. Find witness statement JN - (does so) JN - confirms his signature, recognises statement. Happy to adopt as evidence without change.
I've just read Kemi Badenoch's voting record on gay rights, that appears to more than Nicolson has done. She has never voted against gay rights. This guy is just the typical talentless SNP nobody we are so blessed to have here in Scotland
That is quite something. So he is openly lying, yet they gasbag about Tories in Westminster doing that. Weren't there some rules about openly lying in Parliaments and misleading the House? And to do so in court shows some supreme no one-can-touch-me attitude.
Either way I understand people view this very dimly indeed (looks down nose, knits eyebrows and peers through glasses at this point). It's not a good look.
Following the court reporting of the Alex Salmond trial, the Jounalist/blogger was jailed for the newly invented charge of 'Jigsaw Identification' by way of contempt of court.
Even a fool knows a jigsaw has more than one piece.
One other journalist actually 'accidentally' named one of the 'alphabet' women, didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
This could be addressed behind the scenes but I'd prefer a formal approach, maybe direct communication between the two offices, parties, or even a question in either Westminster or Holyrood. The Presiding Officer or Speaker could address a Question. It'd be good to have this in Hansard. A correction or an apology and agreement to not do it again (some hope, the lying toerags).
Is anyone representing Mermaids going to admit to having read the Cass Review? I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that you don't get to ignore the most pivotal investigation into the subject you're supposing to be discussing, by saying you haven't read it properly. It's not as if the lawyer's going to stop asking you about it; it just means you look grossly uninformed.
It's pretty wild to think that these are the best people Mermaids could find to take the stand.
I am STILL not over this! Maybe they hear "have you read this week's horoscopes?"
Totally devoid of all reality. But then, they also think it's possible to make little boys out of little girls and vice versa. So I suppose it stands to reason.
I'm with you on this Key E. How you can be born in the wrong body when your body is also you is a joke. If they stopped defining people with regressive gender stereotypes then everyone would be ok!
The person I peaked just thought it was people being allowed to dress how they wanted and referred to how they wanted so their attitude was that they were fine with it because people should not constrained by their sex and if girls wnat to have short hair and play football then that was good and likewise if boys want to wear make-up then that should be ok too. I had to explain that it was the opposite of this adn took stereotypes and enforced them, then told kids that if they didn't conform to the stereotype for their sex then they could be in the wrong body adn send them on a path of lifelong medicalisation and potentially surgery. She had no idea. She was also horrified when I told her about the cotton ceiling. The media are completely complicit in public ignorance.
JN in response to the reminder that people [mostly GC], in their opposition to self-id, are concerned about the erosion of sex based rights:
"I've read on Twitter that's their opinion".
Haha. I bet he has. The understatement of the year from the man who cannot say the word 'child' on the grounds it incriminates him. (thank you Helen S.).
Of course JN refers to that 'trans' buzz term -- 'lived experience', as opposed to that pesky 'unlived experience' that men-pretending-to-be-women can actually claim.
The political cloaking of a mental illness is profoundly damaging to women, children and society.
I remember going to a group medical practice with a sore throat, where one of the male doctors (not mine, thanks God!) was suddenly showing up for appointments in dangly earrings and make-up. He didn't bother covering his already bald head. I told my doctor that I just can't take that guy's advice seriously and if I got tossed over into his schedule when my doctor was out, I'd just have to wait. My doctor nodded understandingly, and I knew he was carefully avoiding anything that might be quoted.
Think she might need to rewrite her CV to accord to her identified inner truth. Problem solved Glinner .... before this tribunal ocourse. Everything to play for at this point. Looks like we got the Gender Identifiers on the run.
Come now, be fair, none of us are sky shade or location assessing experts, that's preposterous to even venture to ask us. Huge respect to those in the proceedings who didn't tell him and other witnesses to STFU and answer the damn questions.
Yes! I imagine some present must have been wringing the air with their bare hands in frustration at his flights of fancy. He goes off like a rocket made of stupid with no guidance system.
JN - "Up? Up is a relative term, and now that I come to think of it so is 'grandmother', proving that LGBA clearly thinks that the heavens are wallpapered with nans, and in the lived experience of all my friends this is wrong. As well as transphobic."
So LGBA is lobbying the right offices, but the wrong people are in the offices. LGBA is wrong about everything because he says so. No concerns are valid whatsoever because someone tweeted at him. Nicholson's not even trans but he's got the ego for it.
I've just read Kemi Badenoch's voting record on gay rights, that appears to more than Nicolson has done. She has never voted against gay rights. This guy is just the typical talentless SNP nobody we are so blessed to have here in Scotland
That is quite something. So he is openly lying, yet they gasbag about Tories in Westminster doing that. Weren't there some rules about openly lying in Parliaments and misleading the House? And to do so in court shows some supreme no one-can-touch-me attitude.
he's lucky he wasn't under oath
But he was in court - surely he took an oath or affirmed?
no not in these tribunals, apparently
If he was caught out, he'd probably say "whose truth are we talking about? What is truth?"
** Flashback to "What is a Woman?" **
Still, it won't hurt for somebody to point it out to this reputable public servant on Twitter will it?
yep if they lose will he say he doesnt recognise the court?
Either way I understand people view this very dimly indeed (looks down nose, knits eyebrows and peers through glasses at this point). It's not a good look.
I'm sure Rumpole would be LGB Alliance defence helping the 'ole darling' sum up at this point.
Openly lying is widely accepted up here , salmond, Murray , Hirst, Singh , I could go on ,go on ,go on (sorry , I’ll get ma coat )
You may have missed Craig Murray off the list.
Following the court reporting of the Alex Salmond trial, the Jounalist/blogger was jailed for the newly invented charge of 'Jigsaw Identification' by way of contempt of court.
Even a fool knows a jigsaw has more than one piece.
One other journalist actually 'accidentally' named one of the 'alphabet' women, didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
Nope , Murray is there , but yes identification was provided by another
Aye Sorry Petal. I should learn to read. 😅
🤓
:-) Careful now!
O I’m very much prepared for polis at my door
My give a fuck bucket bucket is empty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqbk9cDX0l0
😂😂 my fuck fuse has blown , pinching that
I thought that was a bit odd. Kemi wasn't even an MP when votes on gay rights were coming through parliament. She was only elected in 2017...
This could be addressed behind the scenes but I'd prefer a formal approach, maybe direct communication between the two offices, parties, or even a question in either Westminster or Holyrood. The Presiding Officer or Speaker could address a Question. It'd be good to have this in Hansard. A correction or an apology and agreement to not do it again (some hope, the lying toerags).
I carefully and seriously read the entire transcript, scrolling down.....then at the end popped up - the photos! Hahaha!
The pictures at the end killed me! I’m still laughing!
Oh me too! Hilarious! Nice one Graham!
Me too. And the little detail “29”. Hahaha, perfect!
Such a bonnie lass is our Graham!
Flippin' gorgeous!
Haaaaaaaa!
It is a hit on twitter: https://twitter.com/tellusq/status/1569692137804992512?s=21&t=vapP9EaQZatV8luRc9ghyQ
"KM - Have you read the Cass Review?
JN - I have read a short summary."
Is anyone representing Mermaids going to admit to having read the Cass Review? I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that you don't get to ignore the most pivotal investigation into the subject you're supposing to be discussing, by saying you haven't read it properly. It's not as if the lawyer's going to stop asking you about it; it just means you look grossly uninformed.
It's pretty wild to think that these are the best people Mermaids could find to take the stand.
I am STILL not over this! Maybe they hear "have you read this week's horoscopes?"
Totally devoid of all reality. But then, they also think it's possible to make little boys out of little girls and vice versa. So I suppose it stands to reason.
I'm with you on this Key E. How you can be born in the wrong body when your body is also you is a joke. If they stopped defining people with regressive gender stereotypes then everyone would be ok!
It's revolting, isn't it? I still don't think people are aware that they've been sterilising children...
They don't. I peaked someone last week and they had no clue. They were horrified.
So what DO people think? I reckon they think it's non-conforming children living as the opposite sex, which it IS, but they're being medicalised!! :(
P.s. Well done for peaking someone!
The person I peaked just thought it was people being allowed to dress how they wanted and referred to how they wanted so their attitude was that they were fine with it because people should not constrained by their sex and if girls wnat to have short hair and play football then that was good and likewise if boys want to wear make-up then that should be ok too. I had to explain that it was the opposite of this adn took stereotypes and enforced them, then told kids that if they didn't conform to the stereotype for their sex then they could be in the wrong body adn send them on a path of lifelong medicalisation and potentially surgery. She had no idea. She was also horrified when I told her about the cotton ceiling. The media are completely complicit in public ignorance.
Who is on their legal team? Is it the fox killer?
Jolyon "AGPs are my new passion" Maugham is involved, yes.
That’s not what they want or need to discuss, it’s just smashing any chance of LGBA having a charitable status.
They don’t give a rats arse about Mermaids per se, this is to discredit LGBA!
Women are a minority …
I have other duties …
Whoah, don’t let us keep you John, this tribunal is hardly important ..
JN in response to the reminder that people [mostly GC], in their opposition to self-id, are concerned about the erosion of sex based rights:
"I've read on Twitter that's their opinion".
Haha. I bet he has. The understatement of the year from the man who cannot say the word 'child' on the grounds it incriminates him. (thank you Helen S.).
Of course JN refers to that 'trans' buzz term -- 'lived experience', as opposed to that pesky 'unlived experience' that men-pretending-to-be-women can actually claim.
There's a glaring sense of entitlement and petulance from JNs responses .
It continues to amaze me that they think these responses and the tone/optics are effective .
Looking foward to hearing Mr Kavanagh thoughts on ' does petulance impress judges ? ' .
"JN - what do you mean narrative. It is their lived experienced.
" KM - do you understand the view of LGBA is that sex matters and that this reform will undermine sex based rights."
1. A narrative is part of lived experience.
2. What about the lived experience of LGB people who can see their narrative being steamrollered by trans activism?
The political cloaking of a mental illness is profoundly damaging to women, children and society.
I remember going to a group medical practice with a sore throat, where one of the male doctors (not mine, thanks God!) was suddenly showing up for appointments in dangly earrings and make-up. He didn't bother covering his already bald head. I told my doctor that I just can't take that guy's advice seriously and if I got tossed over into his schedule when my doctor was out, I'd just have to wait. My doctor nodded understandingly, and I knew he was carefully avoiding anything that might be quoted.
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He seems to think women are a minority?
I wonder which ones he means .. oh wait, transwomen are the real women .. he’s right!
Aha! 😆
Why are you claiming to be 29 Graham? We all know you're 25
Self ID ?
Maybe he identifies as 29.
Think she might need to rewrite her CV to accord to her identified inner truth. Problem solved Glinner .... before this tribunal ocourse. Everything to play for at this point. Looks like we got the Gender Identifiers on the run.
That was tortuous, every question felt like...
KM - "You would agree would you not that the sky is up?"
JN - "That's transphobic."
Come now, be fair, none of us are sky shade or location assessing experts, that's preposterous to even venture to ask us. Huge respect to those in the proceedings who didn't tell him and other witnesses to STFU and answer the damn questions.
Yes! I imagine some present must have been wringing the air with their bare hands in frustration at his flights of fancy. He goes off like a rocket made of stupid with no guidance system.
JN - "Up? Up is a relative term, and now that I come to think of it so is 'grandmother', proving that LGBA clearly thinks that the heavens are wallpapered with nans, and in the lived experience of all my friends this is wrong. As well as transphobic."
So LGBA is lobbying the right offices, but the wrong people are in the offices. LGBA is wrong about everything because he says so. No concerns are valid whatsoever because someone tweeted at him. Nicholson's not even trans but he's got the ego for it.
“It is frightful that people who are ignorant should have so much influence.”
— George Orwell
innit just.
Go Bev Jackson !
Well there's a moral: be careful how you read headlines. I ploughed through this wondering what JACK Nicolson had to do with it all.
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Different Joker
Haha! That genuinely made me laugh out loud.