Mark Riley beclowns himself He/him. You don’t say. AS IF Mark E Smith would have gone along with this bollocks. New favourite account: Males of Reddit Thanks, John Boyne I happened upon a piece by John Boyne this week where he announces why he’s leaving Twitter.
I happened across the Mark Riley information. A formerly working class, rough-arsed Northerner with pronouns in his bio. That is what constant exposure to the 'Arts' does I suppose...
Having read The Big Midweek by Steve Hanley, Smith was clearly an extremely abusive misanthrope. Also, MES’ rank sexual harassment of Caitlin Moran on the White Room in 1993 is-uh, problematic-uh.
Male or female, I am holding Kirrin Medcalf completely responsible. I know there are more powerful figures pulling the strings in the background, but he/she (it doesn't matter) is an adult who consistently made bad choices, acted on these choices, and in doing so, has created devastation for multitudes of people.
I agree. Just because someone was a victim themselves does not absolve them of their behaviour aftewards. As adults we are responsible for our actions.
I’d say the exception would be if the person had been chemically altered at puberty. Don’t know how these people will ever be able to grow up, as in literally mature. Moral responsibility can be separated from legal and social responsibility, so that’s what I’m doing with these members of the cult. The fact that they’re also victims of this cult doesn’t change the fact that as adults with the administrative power to affect the lives of others, they’ve caused untold harm to untold numbers of others. That cannot be ignored, and should take precedence over their own victimization. Abuse of power is the worst kind of crime, in my book, because of the exponential damage it does to innocent people.
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It’s entirely possible to have conflicting feelings. Whilst I have a level of sympathy for anyone who gets bamboozled by TRA ideology, they also choose to act and talk as they do, so no sympathy from me for that. There are consequences for everything we do - good, bad, and neutral - and I’ve faced all of them them in my time. Maybe one of the real crimes is not teaching or demonstrating to kids that there are consequences, whatever they may or may not be, for our actions and talk.
Kirrin may well be a fragile & damaged person - seems quite likely - but they are also in a position of responsibility, paid £49k, which they are using to damage women.
Also racist & homophobic. Because apparently it’s “inherently transphobic” to point out that male predators will go to some lengths to access potential victims, but perfectly fine to fantasise about how terrifying it might be to meet a black lesbian.
That's the one. If you couldn't be bothered studying or trying something creative or starting a business or excelling at sport, but you still want to be celebrated - just announce that you're "trans" and stunning bravery will be instantly conferred.
Hi all: The person who posted the video goes by KirrinKay on YouTube. There is a Kirrin_Kaye on Twitter who is male: https://mobile.twitter.com/kayekirrin
I'm guessing Kirrin Medcalf is someone else. The use of male pronouns for an ostensibly trans person as seen in today's Tribunal Tweets led me to suspect Medcalf is female.
I suppose it’s progress that the reporter acknowledges Rachel once had a man’s name (although it might be something to do with his photograph), but she still can’t bring herself to refer to him as a him, using “they/their” instead. The readers leaving comments weren’t impressed.
And I am incredibly unhappy that this is affecting how some LGB people are taking part in life and sports. Sports are a life-affirming and confidence building activity and Stonewall have thoroughly messed with how level our playing field is.
Graham, the fact that Kirrin Medcalf might be biologically female should not make them any less responsible for their entitled and petulant behaviour nor their lies and bullying of Allison Bailey.
Can I ask, do you just genuinely hate men?
How does the fact Medcalf may be female absolve them of any responsibility for their behaviour solely on the virtue of the fact they might be biologically female?
It doesn’t detract from the fact Medcalf is a bully and a narcissist.
I understand you have a desire to protect women and girls and that’s all good, so do I, but sometimes you do come across a wee bit like this is ‘all men bad’ and ‘male privilege’. I don’t think it’s entirely as simple as that (not detracting at all from
the men who have been and are using this movement for evil and cynical ends).
Truth is in the western world we’ve got a generation of straight white men who are growing up and being taught that they are the worst species on earth and that they’re born with original sin solely because they were born as white men…..but if these men changed their gender and identified as the opposite sex they’ll get praise, they’ll get attention and they’ll feel better about themselves for 5 minutes. It’s just something I think we should think about.
I personally try to judge people for their actions above anything else. Even though it’s mostly men who are using this trans cult for cynical means there are plenty of biological females who are no less innocent in their behaviours and how they’re pushing it.
I agree, it's mostly biological men claiming they identify as women so they can exploit women. I wouldn't apply to women who become transmen in the same way. In terms of exploitation, advantage or abuse, who would they be doing this to? If they felt vulnerable in their former female identity, they don't appear to become any less so in a male one. They don't attempt to railroad men into accepting them as men entirely on their terms, or try to insinuate themselves into men's spaces, whether they represent a threat to them or not. Because they aren't a threat, in this kind of scenario, they would still be the ones who were vulnerable and disadvantaged.
Apart from that, a lot of very young women and girls appear to be trying to escape their female identity, maybe because they feel insecure and judged, or they aren't confident they'll be accepted or supported if they come out as lesbian. Maybe internalised homophobia prevents them from consciously accepting that themselves. Also, many of these girls and women may not have an established sense of their own identity meaning they can be disproportionately influenced by others.
Can you expand on what you mean by "no less innocent in their behaviours"? I'm not saying it's not the case, I'm saying I'm not aware of it.
I have little sympathy for women who want to become full-fledged oppressors of other women. We had a woman here in Maine who MURDERED another woman, an utter stranger to her, in a supermarket because she had decided she was trans and was on testosterone.
Trying to escape femaleness by poisoning and mutilating oneself is preposterous. I do feel sympathy for those such as Keira Bell who have been profoundly traumatized and then further traumatized by criminals at gender clinics. However, many of these young women are middle-class and self-indulgent and care not a whit for others' well-being, just their own speshulness.
I'm sure there are transmen who have embodied the kind of behaviour associated with the worst kind of men, aggressive, violent and oppressive, etc. But most of the transmen I've read about or have some knowledge of, are vulnerable, immature, confused and perhaps emotionally traumatised. There are going to be a lot of young women who'll be sharing Keira Bell's experience in the coming years.
I totally agree about the traumatized children who are being transed by evil doctors. However, in the U.S. many of these women are fairly middle-class to be able to afford all the surgeries, etc. When women take testosterone it appears to make them aggressive and abusive; I've read about too many lesbians involved with women who decide they are now men who have then been beaten and abused by their partners.
They have a hand in it certainly, but based on what I've read, it sounds as though they are being exploited. The job they have shouldn't exist in the form it does in the first place, but as it does, they don't seem to be equipped to do it. That aside, virtually everything that comes from and distinguishes the trans cult/movement comes from misogynistic men. It is overwhelmingly their cult and under their control.
regardless of whether they're men or women I've no time for people who try to destroy other people's lives and lie as such over differences of opinion.
I can sympathise to some level for any impressionable young person who's been taken in by this, regardless of whether they're male or female, but I'll call out nasty liars.
The likes of Nancy Kelley, Ruth Hunt, Susie Green, Judith Butler and other females in higher up and grifting positions are little to no more innocent than any of those misogynistic men. You can argue they're handmaidens, but they are not victims.
I wouldn't frame it as 'hating' men. It's just that Graham has a huge protective response to women, it's the fuel that keeps him in the battle, and it's what we love about him. But I do agree, women are as responsible as men for the error of their ways.
Pardon me if I sounded a bit too reactionary in my initial response, but I'm afraid Im not going to sympathise with Medcalf anymore for their behaviour solely because they happen to be biologically female, and I'd say the same if they were biologically male.
The fact they're on 45k and need their mother and their dog with them to testify and lie further....pathetic and narcissistic, regardless of the sex.
It has also reminded me of some old, abandoned rad fem blogs and websites that I stumbled across recently. In these, there was no quarter given to testosterone-fuelled females who had identified out of womanhood and become men's rights activists as part of promoting the transgender agenda.
By contrast, and I am guessing this might be at least partly due to the recent ROGD phenomenon, rad fems these days seem to be generally more forgiving of these females, positioning them as victims of the patriarchy.
I wonder if Graham is also influenced by this vibe?
What I see are women once again refusing to side with other women and fight for women's rights. Joining the patriarchy hardly makes one a victim of a patriarchy.
I happened across the Mark Riley information. A formerly working class, rough-arsed Northerner with pronouns in his bio. That is what constant exposure to the 'Arts' does I suppose...
Mark E. Smith would be spinning in his grave-ah.
Having read The Big Midweek by Steve Hanley, Smith was clearly an extremely abusive misanthrope. Also, MES’ rank sexual harassment of Caitlin Moran on the White Room in 1993 is-uh, problematic-uh.
Oh really.. I had no idea! I was never a fan really, I used to like them in their early days because 'I was supposed to'.
But I am aware of his extreme controlling of the band members and that sort of thing, so what you say doesn't surprise me.
Who makes the Nazis-uh?
Male or female, I am holding Kirrin Medcalf completely responsible. I know there are more powerful figures pulling the strings in the background, but he/she (it doesn't matter) is an adult who consistently made bad choices, acted on these choices, and in doing so, has created devastation for multitudes of people.
Thank you, totally agree
I agree. Just because someone was a victim themselves does not absolve them of their behaviour aftewards. As adults we are responsible for our actions.
I’d say the exception would be if the person had been chemically altered at puberty. Don’t know how these people will ever be able to grow up, as in literally mature. Moral responsibility can be separated from legal and social responsibility, so that’s what I’m doing with these members of the cult. The fact that they’re also victims of this cult doesn’t change the fact that as adults with the administrative power to affect the lives of others, they’ve caused untold harm to untold numbers of others. That cannot be ignored, and should take precedence over their own victimization. Abuse of power is the worst kind of crime, in my book, because of the exponential damage it does to innocent people.
And back to the discussion: Are women children? Or are women adults responsible for their actions?
adults, and generally bloody hardcore adults at that! (I mean that in the nicest and most complimentary way possible)
It’s entirely possible to have conflicting feelings. Whilst I have a level of sympathy for anyone who gets bamboozled by TRA ideology, they also choose to act and talk as they do, so no sympathy from me for that. There are consequences for everything we do - good, bad, and neutral - and I’ve faced all of them them in my time. Maybe one of the real crimes is not teaching or demonstrating to kids that there are consequences, whatever they may or may not be, for our actions and talk.
Exactly. Not allowing children to face age-appropriate consequences is a total failure of parenting / educating.
Kirrin may well be a fragile & damaged person - seems quite likely - but they are also in a position of responsibility, paid £49k, which they are using to damage women.
Also racist & homophobic. Because apparently it’s “inherently transphobic” to point out that male predators will go to some lengths to access potential victims, but perfectly fine to fantasise about how terrifying it might be to meet a black lesbian.
my only sympathies lie with Allison Bailey and Medcalf's Dog
"I don't want acceptance, I want celebration"
That's the one. If you couldn't be bothered studying or trying something creative or starting a business or excelling at sport, but you still want to be celebrated - just announce that you're "trans" and stunning bravery will be instantly conferred.
Hi all: The person who posted the video goes by KirrinKay on YouTube. There is a Kirrin_Kaye on Twitter who is male: https://mobile.twitter.com/kayekirrin
I'm guessing Kirrin Medcalf is someone else. The use of male pronouns for an ostensibly trans person as seen in today's Tribunal Tweets led me to suspect Medcalf is female.
Please God not Marc Riley...😔
Fuck’s sake.
Is it a bird? Is it a bloke?
Haven't a clue, mate
Sorry I spoke
Is it a bloke? Is it a bird?
No idea, pal
How absurd
How is Marc supposed to tell if people refuse to put pronouns on their Twitter profile?!?
The Manchester Evening News is reporting today on a man “who has changed their name to Rachel” and been jailed for child sex offences - see https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/disgusting-pervert-who-changed-name-23914067#comments-wrapper
I suppose it’s progress that the reporter acknowledges Rachel once had a man’s name (although it might be something to do with his photograph), but she still can’t bring herself to refer to him as a him, using “they/their” instead. The readers leaving comments weren’t impressed.
No mention in the whiney Sex Show article about them suggesting weans google animals masturbating , I see.
Yes Glinner , I could definitely not see Mark E Smith coming awY with any sh*te like pronouns!!!
The Guardian is truly pathetic; so scared of upsetting the Church of Gender that it will throw women and child-safeguarding under the bus.
It's terrifying isn't it?
I think Medcalf is male -- they/them/he/him is about halfway down this page: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/how-lgbtq-inclusive-sport-can-change-lives
Turns out Kirrin is female -- that's quite a job testosterone did on the hairline.
That is quite some read. An oppression mindset can get you far.
And I am incredibly unhappy that this is affecting how some LGB people are taking part in life and sports. Sports are a life-affirming and confidence building activity and Stonewall have thoroughly messed with how level our playing field is.
anyone who can say Wokeus Dei is OK with me - nice one!
Graham, the fact that Kirrin Medcalf might be biologically female should not make them any less responsible for their entitled and petulant behaviour nor their lies and bullying of Allison Bailey.
Can I ask, do you just genuinely hate men?
How does the fact Medcalf may be female absolve them of any responsibility for their behaviour solely on the virtue of the fact they might be biologically female?
Is this a serious question? Do I just genuinely hate men? Some of my best friends are men! Please.
You may not have seen the photos of her where the young woman disappears and is replaced by a balding bloke. It breaks my heart every time.
It doesn’t detract from the fact Medcalf is a bully and a narcissist.
I understand you have a desire to protect women and girls and that’s all good, so do I, but sometimes you do come across a wee bit like this is ‘all men bad’ and ‘male privilege’. I don’t think it’s entirely as simple as that (not detracting at all from
the men who have been and are using this movement for evil and cynical ends).
Truth is in the western world we’ve got a generation of straight white men who are growing up and being taught that they are the worst species on earth and that they’re born with original sin solely because they were born as white men…..but if these men changed their gender and identified as the opposite sex they’ll get praise, they’ll get attention and they’ll feel better about themselves for 5 minutes. It’s just something I think we should think about.
I personally try to judge people for their actions above anything else. Even though it’s mostly men who are using this trans cult for cynical means there are plenty of biological females who are no less innocent in their behaviours and how they’re pushing it.
I agree, it's mostly biological men claiming they identify as women so they can exploit women. I wouldn't apply to women who become transmen in the same way. In terms of exploitation, advantage or abuse, who would they be doing this to? If they felt vulnerable in their former female identity, they don't appear to become any less so in a male one. They don't attempt to railroad men into accepting them as men entirely on their terms, or try to insinuate themselves into men's spaces, whether they represent a threat to them or not. Because they aren't a threat, in this kind of scenario, they would still be the ones who were vulnerable and disadvantaged.
Apart from that, a lot of very young women and girls appear to be trying to escape their female identity, maybe because they feel insecure and judged, or they aren't confident they'll be accepted or supported if they come out as lesbian. Maybe internalised homophobia prevents them from consciously accepting that themselves. Also, many of these girls and women may not have an established sense of their own identity meaning they can be disproportionately influenced by others.
Can you expand on what you mean by "no less innocent in their behaviours"? I'm not saying it's not the case, I'm saying I'm not aware of it.
I have little sympathy for women who want to become full-fledged oppressors of other women. We had a woman here in Maine who MURDERED another woman, an utter stranger to her, in a supermarket because she had decided she was trans and was on testosterone.
Trying to escape femaleness by poisoning and mutilating oneself is preposterous. I do feel sympathy for those such as Keira Bell who have been profoundly traumatized and then further traumatized by criminals at gender clinics. However, many of these young women are middle-class and self-indulgent and care not a whit for others' well-being, just their own speshulness.
I'm sure there are transmen who have embodied the kind of behaviour associated with the worst kind of men, aggressive, violent and oppressive, etc. But most of the transmen I've read about or have some knowledge of, are vulnerable, immature, confused and perhaps emotionally traumatised. There are going to be a lot of young women who'll be sharing Keira Bell's experience in the coming years.
I totally agree about the traumatized children who are being transed by evil doctors. However, in the U.S. many of these women are fairly middle-class to be able to afford all the surgeries, etc. When women take testosterone it appears to make them aggressive and abusive; I've read about too many lesbians involved with women who decide they are now men who have then been beaten and abused by their partners.
im meaning in terms of very simple behaviours of honesty and decency and trying to destroy other people who don't conform to their way of thinking.
The facts are this individual tried to destroy Allison Bailey.
They have a hand in it certainly, but based on what I've read, it sounds as though they are being exploited. The job they have shouldn't exist in the form it does in the first place, but as it does, they don't seem to be equipped to do it. That aside, virtually everything that comes from and distinguishes the trans cult/movement comes from misogynistic men. It is overwhelmingly their cult and under their control.
regardless of whether they're men or women I've no time for people who try to destroy other people's lives and lie as such over differences of opinion.
I can sympathise to some level for any impressionable young person who's been taken in by this, regardless of whether they're male or female, but I'll call out nasty liars.
The likes of Nancy Kelley, Ruth Hunt, Susie Green, Judith Butler and other females in higher up and grifting positions are little to no more innocent than any of those misogynistic men. You can argue they're handmaidens, but they are not victims.
I wouldn't frame it as 'hating' men. It's just that Graham has a huge protective response to women, it's the fuel that keeps him in the battle, and it's what we love about him. But I do agree, women are as responsible as men for the error of their ways.
that's the way I view it too.
Pardon me if I sounded a bit too reactionary in my initial response, but I'm afraid Im not going to sympathise with Medcalf anymore for their behaviour solely because they happen to be biologically female, and I'd say the same if they were biologically male.
The fact they're on 45k and need their mother and their dog with them to testify and lie further....pathetic and narcissistic, regardless of the sex.
This is how I see it too.
It has also reminded me of some old, abandoned rad fem blogs and websites that I stumbled across recently. In these, there was no quarter given to testosterone-fuelled females who had identified out of womanhood and become men's rights activists as part of promoting the transgender agenda.
By contrast, and I am guessing this might be at least partly due to the recent ROGD phenomenon, rad fems these days seem to be generally more forgiving of these females, positioning them as victims of the patriarchy.
I wonder if Graham is also influenced by this vibe?
What I see are women once again refusing to side with other women and fight for women's rights. Joining the patriarchy hardly makes one a victim of a patriarchy.
This is a terrific thread too. https://twitter.com/DrWilliams/status/1523980703440183296?s=20&t=PUq5dQR46vhsqbgypBwfiA
Thank you for the link - yes it is!
Mark E would have a field day with-a this-a...lord, these sheep never cease to disappoint me.
Great update, but no Marc Riley, no!