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Danny Nicol's avatar

Presumably the decision also restricts the power of the Scottish Parliament with regard to GRA reform, in that the Scottish Parliament cannot amend the meaning of woman or man in a way which is incompatible with the Equality Act as judicially interpreted.

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

From Scottish contacts on GETTR it seems really that the SNP are hiding behind the transgender controversy and the promises of independence to try and blind their people to the SNP's appalling records in education and health.

Much as I hate the expression, women have been the collateral damage of the SNP's undemocratic shenanigans with regard to the trans obscenity.

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Fraoch's avatar

The Scot Govt record in education and health isnae appalling. This is nothin but Brit Nat Unionist propaganda.

"Hidin behind independence". It's the main reason why they are elected. It's the raison d'etre o the SNP.

As for their trans policy institutional capture ànd lack o dissent within the party.

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Beautiful Dreamer's avatar

Lack of dissent within the

party? Increasing lack of democracy and free speech within the party has resulted in many members leaving SNP and many of those leaving are opposed to policies which damage women's rights to single sex safe spaces.

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Rhona Anderson's avatar

Agreed and I cancelled my membership on that basis.

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Fraoch's avatar

Aa huvnae cancelled ma membership although aa agree wae yer assessment. See yon's the problem wae folk leavin..it weakens ony opposition an leaves the field clear fr the undemocratic elements within the party.

Aa never left ma union despite the built in misogyny.

We're at a crucial point in oor road tae Indy that must be gained. The SNP will be jist anither social democratic party an folks such as masel willnae be votin fr them in an Indy Scotland.

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Beautiful Dreamer's avatar

There's a lot of sense in what you say. But I know a number of solid, hardworking members who have been bullied and complaints ignored. Members of 40 years and more have left. The loss of democracy within the party sacrificed on the altar of trans ideology.

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

I always used to read that Scotland's educational standards are quite high but there was a recent OECD report which the SNP refuse to publish in full for some reason. The OECD is independent.

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Beautiful Dreamer's avatar

Recently published data in Europe rate Scotland as top of the league for degree level qualifications amongst the workforce

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

Ah, glad to hear it

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Beautiful Dreamer's avatar

Font have link but it should come up on google

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La Matriarcha's avatar

'If lawyers can come up with legally workable definitions to differentiate between a “cake” and a “biscuit” (as they famously can), they can certainly – if called upon – come up with workable definitions to differentiate a biological man from a biological woman'. Gordon Dangerfield is one cool dude!

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

Good point. If only trans a$$holes did not want to have their cake and eat it.

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CatalepticOnion's avatar

Biological men seeking status as 100% biological women should be entitled to that - once they've given birth to their first baby.

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MsGabriel's avatar

Don't be too confident. Trans ideologues are keenly looking forward to uterus transplants for biological males. Probably funded by Martine Rothblatt as a "transhumanist" project, & the Stryker family heavily invested in medical

products.

It still wouldn't turn them into "women": but into biological males with uterus transplants (kind of gross).

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

Here'a an idea, let's give them the full reproductive equipment and get them to carry a foetus to full term. See how they like it.

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MsGabriel's avatar

Yes, the whole spare parts surgery idea seems insane to me too. As though evolutionary biology didn't take a few million years to specialise women as a WHOLE for the job.

And especially when research & data on women's health is so lacking, compared with that on males as the default human model (see "Invisible Women" by Caroline Criado Perez). Such that even women are still being killed by pregnancy & childbirth, never mind men.

It did seem to be TRA zealots, not trans-identified males themselves, who couldn't wait to see men "take the burden off women". They were resolutely deaf to the need for more research on WOMEN's health.

And yes why bother with such a hugely unnecessary & unwelcome burden given the easy & instant rewards of crossdressing, or linked sexual fetishism. Less than 3% of TIMs bother with surgery or gender recognition certificates.

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Madra Salach's avatar

Thank you Gordon for this very clear explanation of concepts, so complex, that they seem in danger if eating themselves. This is great news and gives me hope that we may have some hope to amend the GRA in Ireland as the wording of the Scottish and irish GRA are almost identical.

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Una-Jane Winfield's avatar

And then we have to "work" on the GRA in E &W - by "work", I mean repeal. Jettison. Extirpate.

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joolzzt's avatar

Good piece except I disagree that the definition of 'woman' is related to pregnancy. It's simply the half of the sex binary that develops a Müllerian duct as opposed to a Wolffian one, ie a body designed to produce large immobile gametes rather than small mobile ones. Whether it physically produces them or not is irrelevant.

This description includes both those with DSDs and those who are infertile.

I look forward to Nikolai Stalin's response. She doesn't like being told 'no'.

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Susan Doherty's avatar

Indeed she doesn't , especially as Mridl Walla ,CEO of Edinburgh rape crisis ,is one of her " pals "

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MsGabriel's avatar

Mridul Wadhwa

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Susan Doherty's avatar

Brilliant explanation .Wonderful victory for women and for fairness and common sense. The Scottish Government needs to stop their war against women and children and their vicious assault on the very concept of family ,which is the bedrock of civilization . Our " Feminist to my fingertips " First Minister behaves as if she hates women and accedes to every wish of the trans lobby , ignoring the impact on women,the damage to children and the implications for the wider society Well done to For Women Scotland 👏👏👏

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Jeri's avatar

"In other words, in the law of Scotland as it stands today, and with the possible exception only of those with a gender recognition certificate, “transwomen” are not women." This is a refreshing view of reality, though the gender recognition certificate now has gatekeeping function, and would also need to be clarified. Where do we draw the line? What are the exceptions?

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The Suffragette Penny's avatar

So this is good? Dyslexic here asking - it's late and I'm sleepy or I might have taken it in better

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

Yes, it is, mostly

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The Suffragette Penny's avatar

Ok that's good - I think I heard it also means males cannot stand in for females in governor places? Is that part of it?

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Jeremy Wickins's avatar

I'm very interested to see what this means for Mridul Wadhwa. Maybe I'm going to get my long-standing wish to see him out of a job fulfilled sooner than I hoped!

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

That would be grand!

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The Suffragette Penny's avatar

I would love to see that - he's no right to be there - so creepy

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Hazel's avatar

Yes it's going to be interesting watching all this play out!

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Catherine Conroy's avatar

That's what I understood.

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The Suffragette Penny's avatar

Brilliant! :)

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The Suffragette Penny's avatar

I mean government lol ☺️

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Tina's avatar

Thank you for this article.Its really handy to have a reference document which lays the situation out so clearly.

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MsGabriel's avatar

Thanks very much for your clear explanation of the Court of Sessions Judgement and its implications. Tried reading the Judgement itself, but so impenetrable I gave up at p13.

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