20 questions for Robin Ince and his 'feminist friends'
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Can you define what you mean by ‘trans people’? Do you mean transsexuals? Or do you mean crossdressers like Eddie Izzard? Can you define ‘trans’ without resorting to sex stereotypes? Do you think adult human females should be able to have a word to define themselves, in the same way all other female mammals have? If so, what do you think that word should be?
Men like him always come stomping into the argument, get burned by logic and then claim they just don't understand. Then why are you arrogant enough to wade in in the first place?!
And as usual he uses emotive words like "danger". No one is saying all trans people are a danger. Some are. Dangerous people can exploit self-ID, WOMEN DESERVE SINGLE SEX SPACES.
You know what? Many of us have spouted "TWAW" in the past, but in the last 2 years, loads of us have gone "hmm, maybe it's not as simple as that. I should probably read a bit more into this before shouting my opinion." I'd be mortified if I was as well known as Robin Ince, known as being a bit sciencey (maybe even doing a series of shows about it) and I just didn't bother to look into the issues but offered an opinion on it anyway.
Or maybe he has looked into it and just thought "ok, I could say nothing and if asked just fudge something non-committal" But, no, what he actually did is spunk his shitty opinions (which he definitely doesn't believe) over Twitter.
When the tide turns Robin, just know - we see you.
Jeez, every day I come that bit closer to having a rage induced stroke.
I think ultimately you just have to stick with the fact that being trans is a pretence. If it makes you happy fine. But no one else has to go along with it. Sex based rules and exclusions matter. Life in its very essence is discriminatory. It’s about choosing between things. The above riposte is excellent. But how have we got to this point? Where stating biological fact is now protected speech? The only thing anyone should be saying to these people is that they are at best mid guided fools or nasty insincere (Owen Jones) evil people. Mermaids being the best example. Turning boys into eunuchs and girls into facsimiles of men. Butchery. With people making a profit from it. They should be hanging their heads in shame. This is all a lie. Stick with the primary argument. There is no such thing as cis. Sex is immutable. If you want to adopt the characteristics of the opposite sex that you were born to. Go for it. You may get some gyp for it and some hate. Welcome to life. And certain people may discriminate against you .so what. You want to live in a multicultural world? Embrace the discord that’s going to be. Become insensitive. Stop dictating to others what they must think or feel. And that’s were the whole trans activism things becomes so toxic. It’s like any lie. Like socialism / communism. it’s a pretence. It doesn’t work. So the movement becomes everything. It’s all about control when you are sustaining a pretence. Hence why it is very dangerous. Women are why we are all here. Unless you prescribe to some brave new world fantasy. Embrace reality. If you’re pushing this bullshit stay away from the vulnerable and definitely stay away from children. Trans women don’t exist as women they are men. End of. And visa versa. And as for non binary. Who the fuck cares outside of their friendship family / groups about narcissists. This is where the middle class new left goes to die, hopefully and metaphorically, in a steaming pyre of tangled identity politics. The contempt I have for these people is beyond what I could or can legally say. And as for Owen Jones. Someone who actually scares me for the murderous person I could see him being as a commissar if he ever gained power.
He's been boiling my piss for quite a while now. He's taken criticism of jose long personally, and that was due to her uncritical support of Mermaids. Which she has subsequently tried to erase all trace of!
One of his Infinite Monkey Cage episodes is about the sexes, why there are only 2, and discussions around that.
I wonder will he try to remove it, or will he be caught by his new 'target audience '? Not really toeing the line, Robin!
LOL. As if the two things are mutually exclusive. That being suspicious of the incompetent, malicious, destructive and duplicitous government (reasonably accurate description) inevitably means looking favourably upon Stonewall (even though they also happen to be malicious, destructive and duplicitous, although perhaps not incompetent if viewed through a lens where success is measured in ability to coerce or dupe institutions and authorities into ratifying malicious,destructive and duplicitous policy.)
This is pretty obviously a feeble piece of shabby showmanship from a guy who makes a living from talking in public and therefore needs to be sure to curry favour from the BBC especially, to secure future contracts, and who titillates by darkly referring to a 'someone' who whilst being a hero of feminism also attacks and abuses feminists. Wow! - aren't we intrigued? Who could this mystery someone be?
Nope. We couldn't care less. The only effect it will have is being more likely to move on to the next programme or show if the name Robin Ince is listed in the credits.
I’m bookmarking this because the list of questions will serve us all well. Thank you
Men like him always come stomping into the argument, get burned by logic and then claim they just don't understand. Then why are you arrogant enough to wade in in the first place?!
And as usual he uses emotive words like "danger". No one is saying all trans people are a danger. Some are. Dangerous people can exploit self-ID, WOMEN DESERVE SINGLE SEX SPACES.
Tired of these men.
Missed the L off his surname
You know what? Many of us have spouted "TWAW" in the past, but in the last 2 years, loads of us have gone "hmm, maybe it's not as simple as that. I should probably read a bit more into this before shouting my opinion." I'd be mortified if I was as well known as Robin Ince, known as being a bit sciencey (maybe even doing a series of shows about it) and I just didn't bother to look into the issues but offered an opinion on it anyway.
Or maybe he has looked into it and just thought "ok, I could say nothing and if asked just fudge something non-committal" But, no, what he actually did is spunk his shitty opinions (which he definitely doesn't believe) over Twitter.
When the tide turns Robin, just know - we see you.
Jeez, every day I come that bit closer to having a rage induced stroke.
I think ultimately you just have to stick with the fact that being trans is a pretence. If it makes you happy fine. But no one else has to go along with it. Sex based rules and exclusions matter. Life in its very essence is discriminatory. It’s about choosing between things. The above riposte is excellent. But how have we got to this point? Where stating biological fact is now protected speech? The only thing anyone should be saying to these people is that they are at best mid guided fools or nasty insincere (Owen Jones) evil people. Mermaids being the best example. Turning boys into eunuchs and girls into facsimiles of men. Butchery. With people making a profit from it. They should be hanging their heads in shame. This is all a lie. Stick with the primary argument. There is no such thing as cis. Sex is immutable. If you want to adopt the characteristics of the opposite sex that you were born to. Go for it. You may get some gyp for it and some hate. Welcome to life. And certain people may discriminate against you .so what. You want to live in a multicultural world? Embrace the discord that’s going to be. Become insensitive. Stop dictating to others what they must think or feel. And that’s were the whole trans activism things becomes so toxic. It’s like any lie. Like socialism / communism. it’s a pretence. It doesn’t work. So the movement becomes everything. It’s all about control when you are sustaining a pretence. Hence why it is very dangerous. Women are why we are all here. Unless you prescribe to some brave new world fantasy. Embrace reality. If you’re pushing this bullshit stay away from the vulnerable and definitely stay away from children. Trans women don’t exist as women they are men. End of. And visa versa. And as for non binary. Who the fuck cares outside of their friendship family / groups about narcissists. This is where the middle class new left goes to die, hopefully and metaphorically, in a steaming pyre of tangled identity politics. The contempt I have for these people is beyond what I could or can legally say. And as for Owen Jones. Someone who actually scares me for the murderous person I could see him being as a commissar if he ever gained power.
There are only men and women and (Dsd/Intersex is a condition).
Whether you are a feminist or not, left wing or not, religious or not … you cannot change your sex.
If we are talking about an ideologue, a religion or a political system etc then it is a free for all.
No one can force anyone to believe or accept any of these ways of thoughts.
The world is going off in tangents for meaning and purpose and losing its way.
He's been boiling my piss for quite a while now. He's taken criticism of jose long personally, and that was due to her uncritical support of Mermaids. Which she has subsequently tried to erase all trace of!
One of his Infinite Monkey Cage episodes is about the sexes, why there are only 2, and discussions around that.
I wonder will he try to remove it, or will he be caught by his new 'target audience '? Not really toeing the line, Robin!
#TheyNeverAnswer
Ah so he has book tour he is plugging! I am noticing a theme with these band wagon jumpers. Publicity.
Superb questions.
Stowing this away for future use. Thank you GL.
Looking forward to your next appearance on the infinite monkey cage!
Supposing he will not answer the questions asked: It’s good to see the closet misogynists wriggle out of the dirt they’ve been hiding in, like worms
If we are to do away with gendered language, how are children to address their beloved parents? Chest feeder? Prostrate haver? Guardian?
There's been an uptick of those chiming in from the crap-comedy-to-pretend-straighten-your-glasses-to brigade the last few days.
If its concerted I think we can all breathe a sigh of relief, because *my god* what a bunch of clueless wet blankets.
LOL. As if the two things are mutually exclusive. That being suspicious of the incompetent, malicious, destructive and duplicitous government (reasonably accurate description) inevitably means looking favourably upon Stonewall (even though they also happen to be malicious, destructive and duplicitous, although perhaps not incompetent if viewed through a lens where success is measured in ability to coerce or dupe institutions and authorities into ratifying malicious,destructive and duplicitous policy.)
This is pretty obviously a feeble piece of shabby showmanship from a guy who makes a living from talking in public and therefore needs to be sure to curry favour from the BBC especially, to secure future contracts, and who titillates by darkly referring to a 'someone' who whilst being a hero of feminism also attacks and abuses feminists. Wow! - aren't we intrigued? Who could this mystery someone be?
Nope. We couldn't care less. The only effect it will have is being more likely to move on to the next programme or show if the name Robin Ince is listed in the credits.