Yep, cult tactics through and through. Love bombing - the mantras, being part of a "trans family", ebing told doubts are normal, separation from opposing points of view.... I feel for these young girls who are sacrificing their fertility and breasts on the altar of GI.
Certainly a great description of the mental gymnastics required to believe something untrue and to join the cult. I loved this article from the other side as a refutation: https://4w.pub/avoid-saying-gender-dysphoria/
Particularly: “There may be other ways to deal with the distress that comes from being at odds with sex role stereotypes. Despite personal anecdotes of overcoming this distress through learning about radical feminism, this is not pursued even by gender critical psychotherapists as a potential remedy or a way to channel this distress. None recommend feminist activism, or participation in radical lesbian communities.”
and
“As feminists, we know that it’s perfectly healthy, and indeed useful, to feel uncomfortable with sex roles and sex role stereotypes. We know that it is normal - albeit not desirable - to not feel at ease with one’s female body under male supremacy. Furthermore, in referring to these women as “people with gender dysphoria” we reduce them to these experiences and contribute to them identifying with an apolitical sexist psychiatric narrative. Instead of othering women, we could point out the commonalities in our experiences. When we de-pathologize women who claim to have “gender dysphoria,” we help them to understand that their experiences make perfect sense in a misogynistic world and that there are always alternatives to self-harm. The advice given by Elie and Nele here goes in this direction again. They recommend women to search for role models with similar bodies and observable nonconformity to sex role stereotypes, in addition to developing a feminist awareness and to questioning internalized sex role stereotypes.”
Wow great work by Reality Girl! When an argument can so effortlessly be made by repeating back what the opposing side says you know it is a good one. Of course these girls are the victims in all of this.
Slightly off topic but noticed something interesting. Happened to be noticing an old episode of the Big Questions debating the trans issue. First to speak, Rachel Hoskins cites the first time recognising his femaleness was “getting a real visceral thrill” when putting on his sisters undies as a child. I mean yikes!! Out of curiosity I looked up Rachel Hoskins and six years after his transition he has now de-transitioned going back to Richard. Apparently was sexually abused as a child and lost three children but no doctors thought to look into this??? Now I think of it I believe Arty may have brought this up in an episode but cannot remember which one. Also notice Susie Green sitting next to him.
Also interview on Soft White Underbelly from a few days ago with ex-transgender Jake who was sexually abused by father is very insightful but heartbreaking. Just a warning the first half is quite graphic but if you got to 20:35 this is where he reflects on the link between gender dysphoria and childhood sexual abuse.
Respectfully, I disagree with Terrell. That may be inevitable if you’ve been groomed for it, but others think on it and can see it for the abusive psychological manipulation that it is. Denial of rape culture got us to where we are at, with what passes for society saturated in porn.
"Chesticles". That is a pretty amusing coinage -- much more classy than eg "girl d*ck" for the equivalent male part (equivalent in that it sticks out ;) ). Girls can't help being wittier than blokes!
It's a cult....and sadly, one to which those with deeply obsessive personalities are drawn. Those who struggle with life so deeply need a form of 'being' which gives them rules, regulations, where they begin to mix only with those of similar mindsets.
I've just watched 'One Of Us' about brave young people who do their best to leave the Hasidic Jewish community in New York. It's interesting how they are surrounded with love and support in that community, making it so hard to leave it, to be out there on there own, thinking for themselves for the first time ever, rather than the 'group think' of their religion. But, if someone dares to leave, their lives are made hellish. None of their former friends talk to them, no-one is there for them, often even family reject them...and terrible things are said about them...
It reminded me of what those who de-transition are put through, if they dare to leave Transworld, let alone find the courage to speak out against it. Down swoop The Dimentors, putting out terrible things about them, making them feel terrible about themselves..Punished for daring to not accept 'the religion of trans'....
The detransitioners who are now speaking out, are incredibly brave....and my heart goes out to them all.
2. It also made me feel very anxious about the children born to Trans folks, what those children will be told, how they will be raised, etc...surrounded by other Trans folks, lied to from the start, made to believe their mothers are their fathers, etc..... Actually, it made me fume with anger, but I've been fuming with anger ever since I began to dig deep into this horror....and this blog has helped me enormously to see what is going on....so huge 'thank you' to Graham and to all those who help him...and to those whose articles he posts.
I wonder if any of these folks are familiar with the monkey mind/listening mind that meditators talk about.
Because it seems like dysphorias are the monkey mind run amok. And the absolute certainty they have (with no evidence) that only changing the body with drugs and surgery can solve it is a western medical nightmare.
Gender dysphoria seems to take over when you accept to believe you are a trans, Who can fight that constant identity, which you once not even thought you had a need for? I cannot even imagine what it would be to have to terrorise myself to accept a gender identity! It is self-abuse as the result of believing that you have been born in the wrong body.....please find the way back to your body, which is unique either female or male, and it is not the wrong body!
I read this a couple of days after listening to Wider Lens episode #69 in which Stella and Sasha attempt to make sense of the astonishing thing they discovered with de Vries and Steensma about the way they measured dysphoria, pre- and post- intervention. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2GMaIXsnq2bkYYzRvbRhWs ...
Taken together, these two insights are almost unbearable.
Yep, cult tactics through and through. Love bombing - the mantras, being part of a "trans family", ebing told doubts are normal, separation from opposing points of view.... I feel for these young girls who are sacrificing their fertility and breasts on the altar of GI.
Certainly a great description of the mental gymnastics required to believe something untrue and to join the cult. I loved this article from the other side as a refutation: https://4w.pub/avoid-saying-gender-dysphoria/
I loved this article, thanks so much for posting!
Particularly: “There may be other ways to deal with the distress that comes from being at odds with sex role stereotypes. Despite personal anecdotes of overcoming this distress through learning about radical feminism, this is not pursued even by gender critical psychotherapists as a potential remedy or a way to channel this distress. None recommend feminist activism, or participation in radical lesbian communities.”
and
“As feminists, we know that it’s perfectly healthy, and indeed useful, to feel uncomfortable with sex roles and sex role stereotypes. We know that it is normal - albeit not desirable - to not feel at ease with one’s female body under male supremacy. Furthermore, in referring to these women as “people with gender dysphoria” we reduce them to these experiences and contribute to them identifying with an apolitical sexist psychiatric narrative. Instead of othering women, we could point out the commonalities in our experiences. When we de-pathologize women who claim to have “gender dysphoria,” we help them to understand that their experiences make perfect sense in a misogynistic world and that there are always alternatives to self-harm. The advice given by Elie and Nele here goes in this direction again. They recommend women to search for role models with similar bodies and observable nonconformity to sex role stereotypes, in addition to developing a feminist awareness and to questioning internalized sex role stereotypes.”
PRESCRIBE FEMINISM!!!!!!
Wow great work by Reality Girl! When an argument can so effortlessly be made by repeating back what the opposing side says you know it is a good one. Of course these girls are the victims in all of this.
Slightly off topic but noticed something interesting. Happened to be noticing an old episode of the Big Questions debating the trans issue. First to speak, Rachel Hoskins cites the first time recognising his femaleness was “getting a real visceral thrill” when putting on his sisters undies as a child. I mean yikes!! Out of curiosity I looked up Rachel Hoskins and six years after his transition he has now de-transitioned going back to Richard. Apparently was sexually abused as a child and lost three children but no doctors thought to look into this??? Now I think of it I believe Arty may have brought this up in an episode but cannot remember which one. Also notice Susie Green sitting next to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pikUmamf858
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7911163/Richard-Hoskins-detransitioned-four-years-living-woman-did-escape-past.html
Also interview on Soft White Underbelly from a few days ago with ex-transgender Jake who was sexually abused by father is very insightful but heartbreaking. Just a warning the first half is quite graphic but if you got to 20:35 this is where he reflects on the link between gender dysphoria and childhood sexual abuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj-aGNMEiNU
Respectfully, I disagree with Terrell. That may be inevitable if you’ve been groomed for it, but others think on it and can see it for the abusive psychological manipulation that it is. Denial of rape culture got us to where we are at, with what passes for society saturated in porn.
"Chesticles". That is a pretty amusing coinage -- much more classy than eg "girl d*ck" for the equivalent male part (equivalent in that it sticks out ;) ). Girls can't help being wittier than blokes!
It's a cult....and sadly, one to which those with deeply obsessive personalities are drawn. Those who struggle with life so deeply need a form of 'being' which gives them rules, regulations, where they begin to mix only with those of similar mindsets.
I've just watched 'One Of Us' about brave young people who do their best to leave the Hasidic Jewish community in New York. It's interesting how they are surrounded with love and support in that community, making it so hard to leave it, to be out there on there own, thinking for themselves for the first time ever, rather than the 'group think' of their religion. But, if someone dares to leave, their lives are made hellish. None of their former friends talk to them, no-one is there for them, often even family reject them...and terrible things are said about them...
It reminded me of what those who de-transition are put through, if they dare to leave Transworld, let alone find the courage to speak out against it. Down swoop The Dimentors, putting out terrible things about them, making them feel terrible about themselves..Punished for daring to not accept 'the religion of trans'....
The detransitioners who are now speaking out, are incredibly brave....and my heart goes out to them all.
2. It also made me feel very anxious about the children born to Trans folks, what those children will be told, how they will be raised, etc...surrounded by other Trans folks, lied to from the start, made to believe their mothers are their fathers, etc..... Actually, it made me fume with anger, but I've been fuming with anger ever since I began to dig deep into this horror....and this blog has helped me enormously to see what is going on....so huge 'thank you' to Graham and to all those who help him...and to those whose articles he posts.
I wonder if any of these folks are familiar with the monkey mind/listening mind that meditators talk about.
Because it seems like dysphorias are the monkey mind run amok. And the absolute certainty they have (with no evidence) that only changing the body with drugs and surgery can solve it is a western medical nightmare.
Gender dysphoria seems to take over when you accept to believe you are a trans, Who can fight that constant identity, which you once not even thought you had a need for? I cannot even imagine what it would be to have to terrorise myself to accept a gender identity! It is self-abuse as the result of believing that you have been born in the wrong body.....please find the way back to your body, which is unique either female or male, and it is not the wrong body!
I read this a couple of days after listening to Wider Lens episode #69 in which Stella and Sasha attempt to make sense of the astonishing thing they discovered with de Vries and Steensma about the way they measured dysphoria, pre- and post- intervention. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2GMaIXsnq2bkYYzRvbRhWs ...
Taken together, these two insights are almost unbearable.