Hahah aw man. Brilliant. Love it. Now, shock horror: I do find Hannah funny, not always, but I definitely do when I do. I will always deeply love her Nanette show, I saw it live at Soho Theatre, I was shattered with tears, shock and released with laughter in it's brutal honesty. It's deeply important.
Two comedians are allowed to spat publicly, even if it's tragic and bitchy as hell.
Hannah can cowtow (or however you spell it!) to the TRAs, for whatever autistic reason she chooses and I will still love her show Nanette. I won't cancel her and I won't cancel Dave because he said he beat up a big dyke once. But hey, you can cancel me if you don't agree. I don't give a shit. 😂
That's what I loved about Dave's show The Closer. He reminded us of nuance and that life is a journey with many shades of grey and no one no where should be able to damn well tell us how to act because of their opinions.
It even happened at the LGB Alliance Conference, not all stories mixed well, not all opinions were in harmony - and they never will be.
We are allowed to be annoyed and pissed off, but we're not allowed to silence others because of it. (This does not include CSA groomers - they do need to be silenced forever).
If we can find a way to protect the vulnerable from predators, have it unchangeable in law, and make sure respect and dignity is upheld, we don't have to all agree.
I wish more people would realise that.
Stop getting sucked into the black and white trauma response thinking of all or nothing. Life isn't like that.
I'd not heard of Dave Chapelle prior to l the last few days (nothing personal - I know very few modern comedians), but I like his style. It's galling that, whilst he's clearly not having a good time at the moment, his sex means he is less affected than a woman saying the same things. However, anything that shows up the absolute blind intolerance and bigotry of TRAs is good by me.
I've been a fan of Dave C for a while. He can be a bit sexist at times but he is very, very funny. In the end, he's just enabled more people to see that transactivists are humourless bastards.
I recently listened to James Acaster on YouTube, from a gig where he ranted about Ricky Gervais' trans jokes so angrily and aggressively that it's put me off Acaster for ever. I wonder whether anyone in the audience wanted their money back as they sat listening to such an unhinged transactivist.
Absolutely fantastic! So amazing watching someone who refuses to be bullied...and he is still a great comedian. He's a smart guy, he still manages to squeeze those gags into a serious speech.
Er....it's not just Corporations, is it? This IS about many within The Trans Community themselves, and their army of 'TRAs' too, who threaten women with murder/rape/torture, who get us banned, seek to expose addresses and real names. This movement is funded by Corporations, yes, those who will profit from the permanent medication/surgery of those who are children/young teens at present...but it's also about some of the most women HATING males I've ever come across in my 66 yrs, about indoctrinating children ASAP into this awful ideology, about the trashing of the rights of gay men and lesbians, by TRAs, by those who call themselves Trans.
Whilst I respect Dave Chapelle's stance, he needs to get it right.....and...he also needs to use the term 'sex', instead of 'gender', as in his final show he muddled them up all the time.
By all means, tell the truth, but ensure it's the WHOLE TRUTH, where Transworld itself, those who back it, those who claim to be thus, those who support/defend it, are also brought out into the sunlight, alongside their shocking and abusive treatment towards women and children.
He has the opportunity here to let so much sunlight in...and his audience is right behind him...but no, don't just blame this on The Corporations, unless he's going to take it right back to the $£$s driving them and tell the truth about why this global indoctrination, hatred of women and lack of safeguarding of children is being pushed as 'normal'. And, he needs to speak about The Fear all specially created by Transworld, and the community within it, to suppress all those who dare to speak out, tearing apart their careers, their lives, their marriages, their reputations ,their families..for not since Chairman Mao's Days have we seen such a terrible assault upon so many innocent people, upon history/traditions and, most of all, TRUTH.
If he does all of this, I will stand right beside him..but Truth Matters...and NOT all within the Trans Community, nor any other of the LGBQ+ communities, are loving and kind at all....that's so untrue. Most possibly are, but some are not at all.
I'd love to see him take on Eddie Izzard, ask him what the hell he (Eddie) thinks he is doing to women, by saying he IS a woman, IS a lesbian. So grossly insulting to all women, but of course, even more so for lesbian women.
I have mixed feelings about this. It's good that he's standing up for his right to speak against the trans, but he seems to really like poking at women and lesbian's in particular. Why the call out against Hannah? I find her way more funny than Chappelle ... and she doesn't need to call women pussies or bitches to get cheap laughs via misogyny.
In his The Closer special there's a segment I found awful and unfunny where he goes off for no particular reason about older hippie women (white), their 'sagging tits down to here' and 'pubic hair that looks like they slept on it'. I might not have it word-for-word, but that's pretty much it.
It seemed misogynist and gratuitous, toward no comic purpose. I can forgive a helluvalot if there's real comic purpose. None that I could see here, it was just a weird meander off track. So yeah, it showed that I could not properly admire this man, no matter how grateful for his having mentioned with a smile that he's 'on Team Terf'.
I wasnt too keen on his SpaceJews joke as I have a friend who lost his entire family to the Holocaust and spent most of his years before the age of 10 hiding in fields from the Nazis. Im not sure that Chappelle understands that Jews and Women have seen plenty of discriminatory deaths, its not just the prerogative of black men.
I think Americans dont understand the concept of equality when it comes to oppression, they have made it into a hierarchy with black men on top, although they are now being replaced by white men in slingbacks. Jews, disabled, women, children, homosexuals, Roma etc all have comprehensive and extensive experiences of fatal discrimination both through pogroms, witchburnings and the like plus the on going day to day murders of us. The numbers of female foetuses killed for being female in the world at the moment is off all charts.
I am completely torn by this whole episode, as I have long found Chappelle to be shamelessly sexist, but funny in-between, while I have a been a big fan of Hannah's comedy since she won the Aussie Raw comedy comp many years ago and also think the stand-up comedy scene is generally tough on women comics, lesbian and straight, something Hannah's success has gone a long way to alleviating in the eyes of many. The punchline to her last show was at Louis CK's expense, and for me and the rest of the audience, was both funny and fair. CK is Chappelle's friend. But I was gutted to see her aggressively attack Chappelle's totally reasonable and much needed trans comments, as well as her elsewhere piling on JK for her 'terf' views. But whatever else is going on here, it does seem clear to me that Chappelle is much freer than any women is, has been, or ever will be at this rate, to speak his mind on these (or any) issues, and that that freedom is the ultimate sexism. So it is kind of hard to support it even if it helps.
Agreed, both about Gadsby before and after her weird siding against those you'd think she'd see as her people and about the sexism Chappelle benefits from. (Sigh.)
Lesbians in general are riven by this cult and also seem to have a huge amount of internalised misogyny, which you'd think they would have identified and dealt with in their community. Its like the numbers of black on black deaths rarely seems to get talked about with regard to internalised racism.
Just about to buy a copy of Trans by Helen Joyce to send to child's school. To buy a paperback Amazon says pre-order for May 2022 - I suppose it is out of print? I suppose that means it sold way more than they expected? OK - there is a hardback. I am a yellow belly as am sending anonymously with the GENSPECT Guidance for Schools (which I think is excellent). Shall I cut out all the letters for the address on the envelope from a newspaper, so it looks like a ransom note?! Or write with my left hand?!!
Not sure but I think there is only ever a hardback version available for most serious books when first published, then after (in this case) a year the paperback comes out at half the price.
Oh, I was confused, you are right. I have bought Shrier in paperback and forgot that my first copy of Trans was hardback. Going doolaly (if that is how you spell it).
Can anyone post a link to a non-Instagram copy of the video?
I don’t use Instagram or Facebook and when I click on Graham’s link (in the post above) I get asked to sign-in/create an account to allow me to watch the video.
Beautiful
Mega famous comedian calls out the trans activist bullies and is seen by nearly a quarter of a million people in a few hours. Yesssss!
I'm lying in bed and I actually fucking air punched and said FUCK YEAH.
I'm so excited to see where this goes.
Nail on the head. This is about corporate interests.
Hahah aw man. Brilliant. Love it. Now, shock horror: I do find Hannah funny, not always, but I definitely do when I do. I will always deeply love her Nanette show, I saw it live at Soho Theatre, I was shattered with tears, shock and released with laughter in it's brutal honesty. It's deeply important.
Two comedians are allowed to spat publicly, even if it's tragic and bitchy as hell.
Hannah can cowtow (or however you spell it!) to the TRAs, for whatever autistic reason she chooses and I will still love her show Nanette. I won't cancel her and I won't cancel Dave because he said he beat up a big dyke once. But hey, you can cancel me if you don't agree. I don't give a shit. 😂
That's what I loved about Dave's show The Closer. He reminded us of nuance and that life is a journey with many shades of grey and no one no where should be able to damn well tell us how to act because of their opinions.
It even happened at the LGB Alliance Conference, not all stories mixed well, not all opinions were in harmony - and they never will be.
We are allowed to be annoyed and pissed off, but we're not allowed to silence others because of it. (This does not include CSA groomers - they do need to be silenced forever).
If we can find a way to protect the vulnerable from predators, have it unchangeable in law, and make sure respect and dignity is upheld, we don't have to all agree.
I wish more people would realise that.
Stop getting sucked into the black and white trauma response thinking of all or nothing. Life isn't like that.
I'd not heard of Dave Chapelle prior to l the last few days (nothing personal - I know very few modern comedians), but I like his style. It's galling that, whilst he's clearly not having a good time at the moment, his sex means he is less affected than a woman saying the same things. However, anything that shows up the absolute blind intolerance and bigotry of TRAs is good by me.
I am fascinated by him, his style, his brain - the flow.
I've been a fan of Dave C for a while. He can be a bit sexist at times but he is very, very funny. In the end, he's just enabled more people to see that transactivists are humourless bastards.
I recently listened to James Acaster on YouTube, from a gig where he ranted about Ricky Gervais' trans jokes so angrily and aggressively that it's put me off Acaster for ever. I wonder whether anyone in the audience wanted their money back as they sat listening to such an unhinged transactivist.
“You will not summon me”.
Exactly right - enough of this from all of us
Absolutely fantastic! So amazing watching someone who refuses to be bullied...and he is still a great comedian. He's a smart guy, he still manages to squeeze those gags into a serious speech.
I saw Hannah’s Ted talk, I can confirm she is not funny.
And Hannah Gatsby is not funny
Let's go!
He's a champion feminist mansplainer though...
Fair comment :-)
Er....it's not just Corporations, is it? This IS about many within The Trans Community themselves, and their army of 'TRAs' too, who threaten women with murder/rape/torture, who get us banned, seek to expose addresses and real names. This movement is funded by Corporations, yes, those who will profit from the permanent medication/surgery of those who are children/young teens at present...but it's also about some of the most women HATING males I've ever come across in my 66 yrs, about indoctrinating children ASAP into this awful ideology, about the trashing of the rights of gay men and lesbians, by TRAs, by those who call themselves Trans.
Whilst I respect Dave Chapelle's stance, he needs to get it right.....and...he also needs to use the term 'sex', instead of 'gender', as in his final show he muddled them up all the time.
By all means, tell the truth, but ensure it's the WHOLE TRUTH, where Transworld itself, those who back it, those who claim to be thus, those who support/defend it, are also brought out into the sunlight, alongside their shocking and abusive treatment towards women and children.
He has the opportunity here to let so much sunlight in...and his audience is right behind him...but no, don't just blame this on The Corporations, unless he's going to take it right back to the $£$s driving them and tell the truth about why this global indoctrination, hatred of women and lack of safeguarding of children is being pushed as 'normal'. And, he needs to speak about The Fear all specially created by Transworld, and the community within it, to suppress all those who dare to speak out, tearing apart their careers, their lives, their marriages, their reputations ,their families..for not since Chairman Mao's Days have we seen such a terrible assault upon so many innocent people, upon history/traditions and, most of all, TRUTH.
If he does all of this, I will stand right beside him..but Truth Matters...and NOT all within the Trans Community, nor any other of the LGBQ+ communities, are loving and kind at all....that's so untrue. Most possibly are, but some are not at all.
I'd love to see him take on Eddie Izzard, ask him what the hell he (Eddie) thinks he is doing to women, by saying he IS a woman, IS a lesbian. So grossly insulting to all women, but of course, even more so for lesbian women.
Also, just to add that not all 'heterosexual' folks are kind and loving either.
I have mixed feelings about this. It's good that he's standing up for his right to speak against the trans, but he seems to really like poking at women and lesbian's in particular. Why the call out against Hannah? I find her way more funny than Chappelle ... and she doesn't need to call women pussies or bitches to get cheap laughs via misogyny.
In his The Closer special there's a segment I found awful and unfunny where he goes off for no particular reason about older hippie women (white), their 'sagging tits down to here' and 'pubic hair that looks like they slept on it'. I might not have it word-for-word, but that's pretty much it.
It seemed misogynist and gratuitous, toward no comic purpose. I can forgive a helluvalot if there's real comic purpose. None that I could see here, it was just a weird meander off track. So yeah, it showed that I could not properly admire this man, no matter how grateful for his having mentioned with a smile that he's 'on Team Terf'.
I wasnt too keen on his SpaceJews joke as I have a friend who lost his entire family to the Holocaust and spent most of his years before the age of 10 hiding in fields from the Nazis. Im not sure that Chappelle understands that Jews and Women have seen plenty of discriminatory deaths, its not just the prerogative of black men.
Agreed.
I think Americans dont understand the concept of equality when it comes to oppression, they have made it into a hierarchy with black men on top, although they are now being replaced by white men in slingbacks. Jews, disabled, women, children, homosexuals, Roma etc all have comprehensive and extensive experiences of fatal discrimination both through pogroms, witchburnings and the like plus the on going day to day murders of us. The numbers of female foetuses killed for being female in the world at the moment is off all charts.
I am completely torn by this whole episode, as I have long found Chappelle to be shamelessly sexist, but funny in-between, while I have a been a big fan of Hannah's comedy since she won the Aussie Raw comedy comp many years ago and also think the stand-up comedy scene is generally tough on women comics, lesbian and straight, something Hannah's success has gone a long way to alleviating in the eyes of many. The punchline to her last show was at Louis CK's expense, and for me and the rest of the audience, was both funny and fair. CK is Chappelle's friend. But I was gutted to see her aggressively attack Chappelle's totally reasonable and much needed trans comments, as well as her elsewhere piling on JK for her 'terf' views. But whatever else is going on here, it does seem clear to me that Chappelle is much freer than any women is, has been, or ever will be at this rate, to speak his mind on these (or any) issues, and that that freedom is the ultimate sexism. So it is kind of hard to support it even if it helps.
I didnt realise she'd had a pop at him first. Being a lesbian you would have thought she'd worked out the transborg is no friend to her people.
Agreed, both about Gadsby before and after her weird siding against those you'd think she'd see as her people and about the sexism Chappelle benefits from. (Sigh.)
Lesbians in general are riven by this cult and also seem to have a huge amount of internalised misogyny, which you'd think they would have identified and dealt with in their community. Its like the numbers of black on black deaths rarely seems to get talked about with regard to internalised racism.
Just about to buy a copy of Trans by Helen Joyce to send to child's school. To buy a paperback Amazon says pre-order for May 2022 - I suppose it is out of print? I suppose that means it sold way more than they expected? OK - there is a hardback. I am a yellow belly as am sending anonymously with the GENSPECT Guidance for Schools (which I think is excellent). Shall I cut out all the letters for the address on the envelope from a newspaper, so it looks like a ransom note?! Or write with my left hand?!!
https://wordery.com/trans-helen-joyce-9780861540495/GB?currency=GBP>rck=true&gclid=CjwKCAjwzt6LBhBeEiwAbPGOgf0q8cjzrTrlhOxjYAtlspiIVV_wwHBMCEk67SWF50htkUTjLwIw1hoCR1YQAvD_BwE
Not sure but I think there is only ever a hardback version available for most serious books when first published, then after (in this case) a year the paperback comes out at half the price.
Nothing sinister just about profit margins.
Oh, I was confused, you are right. I have bought Shrier in paperback and forgot that my first copy of Trans was hardback. Going doolaly (if that is how you spell it).
Love doolally - it's a made up word with some mangled borrowing so spell it how you like! And doo dah doo dah day ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H2W1lK7P-I
love that clip!
Can anyone post a link to a non-Instagram copy of the video?
I don’t use Instagram or Facebook and when I click on Graham’s link (in the post above) I get asked to sign-in/create an account to allow me to watch the video.
try this: https://youtu.be/LQ290aGmVFY
Thank you very much!!!
Beautifully articulated as always.