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What happened to Harry last night
Harry Miller phoned me for a chat after his experience with the police last night. He very kindly took me through the whole story. It’s quite the tale!
GL: I saw the start of the video, where you begin to address the police officers, but then it cut out. What happened after that?
HM: I got clapped in irons, thrown in the van. In the cell for seven hours. DNA taken, all the rest of it. I conducted my own defence obviously, and told them that I wasn't acting unlawfully, obstructing a police officer, because they were engaged in an unlawful action against a member of the public.
GL: Have you seen the response that got rushed out really recently?
HM: Yeah, by the PCC. Yeah,
GL: Quite a speedy apology. That seems significant.
HM: It was incredibly significant, Graham, incredibly significant because we also handed them a pre action protocol yesterday about what they've done previously. We gave them the documents and they wouldn’t take them. They said, “what do you think we are, postmen?” We said, it’s for your Chief Constable just give to him. “It's not him, it's a her!” Like that was some great gotcha moment for them.
GL: Oh, for God’s sake.
HM: I explained to them, I explained that they conducted a shakedown of a suspect they'd accused of having committed a crime. Yeah. I said, when you tell somebody that they've committed a crime, you have to caution them. You've conducted a 25 minute interview without any form of caution. What you've done is said that if he signs on the dotted line, signs a confession of guilt and hands over 60 pounds. They will send him on a course to reeducate him. That's what they said. When he said, Well, I'm not sure about that. They said, well, the alternative is we will prosecute you.
GL: Wow. And so when did you enter the story?
HM: This happened the previous week. Three officers turned up at his house on a Sunday morning. So we got the video of that, and I couldn't believe what we were seeing. So he'd organized with them to come back last night. So we were there waiting for them. And once they yet again started interviewing him without a caution or anything like that, that's when we emerged and said, you are operating illegally, you are conducting a shakedown. We are telling you right now that had we the power, we would be arresting you for harassment of this gentleman. Then they started making threats? And I said right, I'll tell you what's gonna happen. He's not going with you. You're not arresting him and if you do intend to arrest him, you're gonna have to come through me and I stood in front of the guy faced off the police and said, You've got to come through me.
GL: Yeah. And what happened? They came through you?
HL: They argued, it was like talking to dead people. It was like talking to absolute zombies.
GL": Is this process that they suggested to the guy? Is it used in any other police force that you have heard of?
HM: I have never seen anything like it in my life. Telling the person that they have committed a crime and then saying "60 quid, we'll put you on a course, I will downgrade the crime to a non crime"? I've never seen anything like it. That is a shakedown. It is straightforward extortion. Now, here's the thing. They did that because they knew full well that they have no grounds whatsoever of convincing a magistrate that he committed a crime. Right? So they did everything in their power to keep it away from court, which is why of course they never bother with the caution. Because in their minds, it was never going to go to court at all. It was never going to see the inside of the police station. He was simply going to hand over the 60 quid, sign up, bugger off on a course, come back re-educated. And you know what they said to him? He said, “Well, what will I learn on this course?” And they said, well, one of the things for instance will be this, that you will learn to go and ask your neighbor, if it's okay before you post something on social media. He’s saying “I’m a sixty year old war veteran, I’m not asking my fucking neighbour what I can post on Facebook!”. We’ve got it all on tape, mate, it’s all on tape.
This is the problem, Graham. We have a police force now that is operating outside of the law. They are dispensing summary justice with this sort of nonsense, and they are terrifying individuals into submission. “Just sign here mate and we’ll make it all go away.” They're like cheap double glazing salesman, mixed with the mafia.
GL: When you say ‘shakedown’, are you suggesting that they’re monetizing this process for their own gain?.
HM: No. I think it's more about making somebody pay and feel humiliated. You got a bunch of coppers who've got about 25 years experience between them, talking to a war veteran who's who's done three tours of duty, who's got a chest full of medals, that he needs to go and learn some life skills and ask his neighbor before he posts on Facebook. Yeah, it's a wonder he didn't turn the table over. It's an exercise in humiliation. They were simply there trying to humiliate him into submission.
It was a it was they were selling an indulgence is what they were doing. They were saying we will downgrade your sin for the cost of an indulgence. That's what they were doing. It was a fine that they were operating as a summary fine, a de facto summary fine. They were extracting confessional guilt. And they were sending him on a reeducation program. All of it outside of jurisprudence, all of it outside police criminal evidence, all of it outside the scrutiny of a custody sergeant and absent of any advice that the person could see a lawyer or have the right to remain silent. Well, for me, that is the definition of a Stasi police force. So when Mr. Justice Knowles made that comparison, in 2019, he saw the direction of travel and he was not engaged in hyperbole. He was predicting the future. And lo and behold, the future has happened. Just a week ago, we had Kelly J being visited because she'd had the temerity to criticize paedophiles.
GL: And I've been visited two or three times now by the police for talking about this issue. Well, I really, really hope Harry that these Jenga blocks keep tumbling The response of the police in getting out a statement so quickly is is a sign that they know that they've they they're calling this one wrong…
HM: Here's the thing. Graham. They got caught. We caught them. It's like if you get caught watching porn, you can claim that it's the first time you've ever done it, but everybody knows it fucking well isn't. We caught them on this one. How many times have they done this to individuals? How often have they conducted themselves in this way, going around, acting as a summary, judge, jury and executioner on people who have not had access to me, Fair Cop etc? How many times has it happened? Because I'm telling you now, that was not the first time and that was not an aberration. That is the result of policy.
GL: So you were released after seven hours. And without charge?
HM: No. I mean, that'll be released pending further investigation. I think if they've got any sense whatsoever, they will drop it as soon as humanly possible and hope that it goes away. It won't go away. Because we are going to throw everything including the kitchen sink at them because they cannot behave like this. We've uncovered something that is going on, week in, week out.
GL: And one thing that it might be useful to remind the people, the police who you know, whoever is in charge at the moment would be that they have a very graceful exit from all this because of the scandal that has been revealed at the Tavistock this week. You know, like it's not just them. The whole of society has been fooled by this appalling cult. And you know, the police do have a graceful exit, but they must take it. They must take it quickly.
HM: I think they're too I think they're too committed. For instance, okay, bearing in mind that all of this stemmed from the reposting of the flag. Okay. One of the officers who arrested me was wearing a pride flag. And I said, “what's written on it?” because they'd confiscated my glasses at this point. And she said it says Hampshire police. I said “so you literally have a pride flag. And it says Hampshire police on it. And you're arresting me basically for something to do with the flag. Can you not see the problem with that?” “Well, no, you're just homophobic.” I told them this had nothing to do with homophobia. I said “I do not recognize your authority as a police officer. You are the military wing of Stonewall and I will not recognize your authority and I will not obey anything that you say.”