Far from apologising for their Alex Jones-style coverage and the bizarre takes of many of their journalists, The Guardian has doubled down and admitted that male sexual rights are more important than the safety of women and girls.
Yes, exactly. Instead of proudly and decently affirming that women in certain cases need the safety and dignity of male exclusionary spaces, and instead of recognizing that the Wi Spa case, where a previously convicted sex offender was able with impunity to expose himself, is an open and shut case demonstrating exactly why the law must uphold these rights, the best so called "feminist" Laurie Penny can come up with is a mindless bleating "trans rights" and "prejudice".
Weak and transparently defensive. Events have caught up with the ideology and exposed it for the dangerous sham true feminists have always said it is. Laurie Penny's argument doesn't have a leg to stand on. 'Trans rights' just isn't an argument and exclusion of the opposite sex from such rooms has nothing to do with 'prejudice'. "Restricting the rights of an entire category of people on the basis that one of them might commit a crime is the essence of prejudice" is unbelievably muddled thinking from an Oxford grad writer and journalist. Really embarrassing that our top educational institutions are producing such twaddle. And the most reputable publishers and news organs are buying it.
the guardian quote a trans woman who protested at the spa.... "Who knows what the far-right disinformation machine is going to turn this one into?” she said.. That is some funny shit
Wikipedia editors finally added the charges regarding Darren Merager in WiSpa. (Under Criminal Charges)
But, they call him a woman (later mentioning he identifies as a trans woman), don't name him, and the entire article is more biased than Wikipedia entries are supposed to be.
Yes that's yet another bizarre anomaly with this head-f***ing ideology. Isn't it? We're all admonished to take care to use people's pronouns because misgendering is a crime almost on a par with murder. But what is calling someone cis gender before asking them if they accept that label if it's not misgendering - potentially?
She is either so fearful of being cancelled she is bending the knee...or some sort of deviant. She is bound to know the score of men in women and girls spaces. A weak woman all around.
Journalist, author, feminist. They/them. Screenwriter: The Haunting Of Bly Manor, The Nevers, Carnival Row and more. Next book: ‘Sexual Revolution’ (2022)
The cries of 'fake' and 'hoax' were unsurprising. But part of me thought that it may well have been a well-intentioned but ultimately self-defeating stunt, potentially marking the moment that GC activism jumped the shark. Thankfully, however, it was nothing of the sort: the incident was absolutely real and now looks as though it may well be a not insignificant turn of events in this whole madness.
I never thought for one second that it was a hoax. And that's what believing women is all about. If there is something sketchy in someone's story of what happened to them, then I suspend dis/belief but why would anyone make something like this up?
The fact other women were around Cubana Angel supporting her as she made the video, and all the staff just repeated the TW was allowed to be in the women's section (rather than them saying no such person checked in today) told me this was real,
Thank you for being so honest. I hate to sound less rational than I usually pretend I have to be, but it's a gut instinct and so damn familiar. That certain tone in that woman's voice (Cubana Angel) I heard echoing through millenia. Her refusal to be silenced. Thank god the other women stood up for her in the moment. the deflections from the men. The amount of times I raised alarm - about men behaving in an intimidatory sexual manner - and was dismissed. Often, what, you think you're so special do you, you think you're all that, being a charming one, even and too often used by other women to cast doubt. Too many people keep quiet.
I’m beginning to wonder whether the set up works the other way at all.
The perp is apparently homeless & ex convict but instantly posted bail. Claims oppression & transphobia at the same time as saying he can get the laws changed.
What exactly ARE 'trans rights'? They have 'Human Rights' the same as the rest of us. That's all they need. Women's Rights belong to we women, not to men. That's it.
This one really gets me too. My interpretation of trans rights is that everyone else has to participate willingly in their gender fantasyland, and they get unethical and dangerous healthcare for free.
Did I really read that it is, or is going to be, the same 'rights' to an '18 week wait' as other healthcare in Scotland? Not for a first appointment, but the whole shebang?
I suppose their answer is the right to self ID on the grounds that gender is not the same thing as sex. And then they'll use it to transgress sex boundaries, protesting that their ID gives them that right. It's such a childish deception yet simultaneously diabolical. The Wi spa insult demonstrates exactly what's wrong with self ID if it's not supplemented by strong legal rights to preserve single sex spaces which can't be transgressed in this way.
Time for The Staniland Question to be front and centre , plus her other question to women ; what age were you when a man first exposed himself to you ?
This is a level of incipient, grinding trauma that is so huge and so buried and accepted. Oh it wasn't all that bad, it's par for the course justifications. It's just life. Get over it. I read a lot of those 'what age were you when a man first exposed/assaulted/sexually intimidated' questions at several points after high profile murders, like Sarah Everard. The lists on Twitter. Almost identical. I started compiling my own as I read. I started asking other women. It was, and is, utterly depressing and disillusioning how as I read I realised that I myself had stopped counting, become accustomed and numb to it, purely as it would have sent me mad if I hadn't. A litany. Sometimes witnessed, sometimes others acted, sometimes I reported it. Mostly I just coped or ignored it. Moved on; tried to forget. That so many of us could so easy recall so many incidents, of such a similar nature from such a young age. Day in day out for decades. We took and take it for granted. It is an aspect of growing older that I looked forward to, but I'm wondering when is old enough for it to stop. I see it happening to others.
The magnitude of how tiny I feel to ever see this change was, and is, hard to contemplate. How many more generations. My fear and need to protect the next generations is too overwhelming and when the organs of state and too many others are happy with the status quo. And, as you write, and as the question asks, it's not 'seeing' it's 'exposing', this point seems to pass so many people by. It's a deliberate and deliberative action, no mistake or accidental. We're not prudes, we're not frigid, or uptight. This isn't the mucking around naked and being bathed with siblings as children or with friends we're talking about here. It can be anyone and it's an act of violence and control, like other sexual violence and abuse.
I’m with you on this. I’ve got to the age I am, thinking that I’ve got off lightly but I think that’s just because misogyny is normalised to the extent that we no longer register it. Now I can think of countless episodes of one form of abuse or other, albeit mostly non physical, that I have just accepted and tidied away, and as you say, I became accustomed to it and numb. I don’t think it will ever stop either, seeing it happen to others including our families and friends is a reminder that it is still there.
Thank you Lawlie. The internal, domestic, housekeeping of our lives. I was awake in the wee hours the other night thinking, well at least I'm still alive. Physically, bodily, mostly intact. I survived. Then so sad. Which end of the life/death continuum am I at? That somehow that's the level I compare myself to and that alive is ok. I've been so triggered of late, and by this trans activism unfolding. Some memories have been rearing their ugly heads with refusnik clarity. I am still alive and I will fight. I have kicked, and pushed and fought for my life before, and this is another form of it and where my rights are being ignored. I have protected others and will do this again.
This is the cumulative impact, and that the earlier it happens, and how that is handled by those around you, the more vulnerable it can make you and it's the gift that sometimes gives throughout your life. Adverse Childhood Events (ACEs) seem a novel thing that services and wider society still have a shoddy grasp of how to approach, or to provide trauma-informed care.
These are the shock waves that ricochet through me still. And too many others. And we don't speak about it, because enough people turn away, play dead, pretend, enough fail to notice, it's too upsetting, awkward or inconvenient and too many others are so damaged too. And what can they do? Not apathy, but love and care, and keeping watch, but that involves energy, attention and effort. Listening.
I gain succour and strength from others though - you here writing and speaking up. I feel so viscerally how important it is that we hear the voices and that Graham and others are walking through the fire to allow us that opportunity.
Congratulations Graham on the Times interview. I am trying to post a comment to the article thanking you but keep being told I might want to modify my comment - I had mentioned the threat to women’s rights and gay rights of gender identity ideology and it didn’t like that …
Why would anyone who supports the medical-industrial complex call for the downfall of capitalism? Oh whoops, she doesn't know the medical-industrial complex is part of capitalism?
Are they? They seem to me to be necessary components of women's reproductive choices. I'm not opposed to trauma surgery, I'm not opposed to cancer screenings, etc, but I am opposed to exploiting people for $$$$$.
Me neither. But I find it hypocritical, given that the objectification and commodification of women, which is what many of these people buy into, are tropes par excellence of late capitalism, where everything is fair game.
Me too. I can't be bothered to read it myself. Any book which begins equating feminism with colonialism must be under suspicion of being an unoriginal regurgitation of standard woke poop. But if I was trans I'd be careful about wanting to abolish the police as the real force standing between such minorities and genuine right wing hate organisations.
The “entire category of people” is not “transwomen” it is MEN, you blithering idiot, Laurie Penny! Who is Penny anyway? I had never heard of her before. Who are these awful, ridiculous women promoting themselves by pandering to men? Is that the only way for women to get published in the “Liberal” press these days? By apeing men?
Disturbingly, yes. Apeing some men, and those of fragile ego like Owen Jones who will storm out of interviews if he is not praised enough. There's a whole bunch like this making a very nice living thank you very much. She writes you see, and is an intellectual with successful writing. The 'don't you know I am published' type. Who have either read the whole of women's history, or are utterly unaware, and rejected this with, nah, they were all wrong, it's now the Laurie nth wave of Feminism.
She seems to believe that people who have different opinions are just wrong. Wrong I tell you! Outrageous! She is just on the side of reason and justice and kindness after all. The right side of history even. So we should shut up. There's a clear route through academia, our 'best' institutions, for clever clogs like her and then to be talking heads and experts on bloody everything for decades after. If you can learn how to parrot the type of argument in essays, you get rewarded and rise up the ranks. You see these MAs and PhDs, and think, how? They used to be called Mickey Mouse degrees in basket weaving, and Women's studies was always pooh poohed - it is still - but that's transmogrified by the transgrifters into a Gender Studies type of something (like at LSE) and they are now in previously respected departments like English deplatforming Colonialist people they disagree with. It's literal violence! She's won the Orwell prize and can write a neatly expressed argument. She is privately educated and can quite obviously, objectively, be described as privileged. White privilege has now pivoted to be the champion of the poor 'other', the most vulnerable. If you don't fit in this new, but really the same old same old classification, you're f**ked and we judge you. There is little surprise she has found a home in Los Angeles and is now International Laurie. If this tale seems familiar, yup, plus ça change. Play Trans bingo with her Wiki entry - comes from Brighton...tick...tick tick tick.
Seeing Laurie Penny up against David Starkey (it's on YT) was a funny one, she collapsed into a puddle of squeaky voiced womanity on the verge of tears. And as a woman I was ashamed at her using her status as a but-I'm-so-vulnerable woman and feminist and non-binary fluid neutral better-than-you human as ploy to escape being challenged. Indefensible and cringeworthy Laurie. She cannot admit she might have misjudged this as her brand would be affected.
Thank you for the personal insight. This makes the whole episode even more appalling. Once upon a time you only needed to be worried about flashers invading the “Newspaper” sections of Public Libraries. At least all the women and girls were clothed there so they were not perving on naked women and girls.
Ditto. It does doesn't it. Our public realm, or what's left of it.
Ah Libraries. And 'newspapers, journals and periodicals'. What a slice of life. And latterly the computer section where there were porn blocks they'd try (sometimes successfully) to get around. Men would regularly be thrown out by staff for groping, perving, following, flashing or threatening. Professional, paid staff, not volunteers (much as I love them). It used to be well-known that these were the areas that very vulnerable and marginalised people could go, for free, when it was inclement weather or for a sit down and not be chased out or barred unless they impinged on others. They were interesting places for me as a very young girl and then woman but many are a shadow of their former selves.
It was never about “trans rights” though Penny.
Yes, exactly. Instead of proudly and decently affirming that women in certain cases need the safety and dignity of male exclusionary spaces, and instead of recognizing that the Wi Spa case, where a previously convicted sex offender was able with impunity to expose himself, is an open and shut case demonstrating exactly why the law must uphold these rights, the best so called "feminist" Laurie Penny can come up with is a mindless bleating "trans rights" and "prejudice".
Weak and transparently defensive. Events have caught up with the ideology and exposed it for the dangerous sham true feminists have always said it is. Laurie Penny's argument doesn't have a leg to stand on. 'Trans rights' just isn't an argument and exclusion of the opposite sex from such rooms has nothing to do with 'prejudice'. "Restricting the rights of an entire category of people on the basis that one of them might commit a crime is the essence of prejudice" is unbelievably muddled thinking from an Oxford grad writer and journalist. Really embarrassing that our top educational institutions are producing such twaddle. And the most reputable publishers and news organs are buying it.
Have a listen to Yuri Bezmenov describe how ideological subversion worked with the KGB.
the guardian quote a trans woman who protested at the spa.... "Who knows what the far-right disinformation machine is going to turn this one into?” she said.. That is some funny shit
Wikipedia editors finally added the charges regarding Darren Merager in WiSpa. (Under Criminal Charges)
But, they call him a woman (later mentioning he identifies as a trans woman), don't name him, and the entire article is more biased than Wikipedia entries are supposed to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi_Spa_controversy
The woman who made the video was not named, but is referred to as a "cisgender woman".
SHE'S JUST A WOMAN!
Yes that's yet another bizarre anomaly with this head-f***ing ideology. Isn't it? We're all admonished to take care to use people's pronouns because misgendering is a crime almost on a par with murder. But what is calling someone cis gender before asking them if they accept that label if it's not misgendering - potentially?
Ugh!
I guess they figure ‘tis better that 10 sex offenders get enabled than one innocent dude to have to use the men’s locker room.
She is either so fearful of being cancelled she is bending the knee...or some sort of deviant. She is bound to know the score of men in women and girls spaces. A weak woman all around.
Am I correct in thinking she is now based on the US?
Her Twitter profile...
Laurie Penny
@PennyRed
Journalist, author, feminist. They/them. Screenwriter: The Haunting Of Bly Manor, The Nevers, Carnival Row and more. Next book: ‘Sexual Revolution’ (2022)
London/Los Angeles
LA 😬
yep old la la land
*in
This is embarrassing and it shows such an excellent contrast between agenda pushing versus fact-finding journalism. Take a look at these videos it would be nice to put together a montage of facts versus fantasy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLhJrOQFKFQ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPC3Gss9Lkc
Wow, what a contrast! That’s shocking. First vid just full of emotive language and misrepresentation.
The cries of 'fake' and 'hoax' were unsurprising. But part of me thought that it may well have been a well-intentioned but ultimately self-defeating stunt, potentially marking the moment that GC activism jumped the shark. Thankfully, however, it was nothing of the sort: the incident was absolutely real and now looks as though it may well be a not insignificant turn of events in this whole madness.
I never thought for one second that it was a hoax. And that's what believing women is all about. If there is something sketchy in someone's story of what happened to them, then I suspend dis/belief but why would anyone make something like this up?
The fact other women were around Cubana Angel supporting her as she made the video, and all the staff just repeated the TW was allowed to be in the women's section (rather than them saying no such person checked in today) told me this was real,
I agree absolutely. I don't like that I didn't trust completely.
Thank you for being so honest. I hate to sound less rational than I usually pretend I have to be, but it's a gut instinct and so damn familiar. That certain tone in that woman's voice (Cubana Angel) I heard echoing through millenia. Her refusal to be silenced. Thank god the other women stood up for her in the moment. the deflections from the men. The amount of times I raised alarm - about men behaving in an intimidatory sexual manner - and was dismissed. Often, what, you think you're so special do you, you think you're all that, being a charming one, even and too often used by other women to cast doubt. Too many people keep quiet.
This.
Yes, for it to have been a hoax the staff and the bystanders in the video would all have had to have been in on it. Pretty unlikely.
I’m beginning to wonder whether the set up works the other way at all.
The perp is apparently homeless & ex convict but instantly posted bail. Claims oppression & transphobia at the same time as saying he can get the laws changed.
What exactly ARE 'trans rights'? They have 'Human Rights' the same as the rest of us. That's all they need. Women's Rights belong to we women, not to men. That's it.
This one really gets me too. My interpretation of trans rights is that everyone else has to participate willingly in their gender fantasyland, and they get unethical and dangerous healthcare for free.
Did I really read that it is, or is going to be, the same 'rights' to an '18 week wait' as other healthcare in Scotland? Not for a first appointment, but the whole shebang?
I suppose their answer is the right to self ID on the grounds that gender is not the same thing as sex. And then they'll use it to transgress sex boundaries, protesting that their ID gives them that right. It's such a childish deception yet simultaneously diabolical. The Wi spa insult demonstrates exactly what's wrong with self ID if it's not supplemented by strong legal rights to preserve single sex spaces which can't be transgressed in this way.
Really good question!
Time for The Staniland Question to be front and centre , plus her other question to women ; what age were you when a man first exposed himself to you ?
Yes. But it's hard to answer that second for me.
This is a level of incipient, grinding trauma that is so huge and so buried and accepted. Oh it wasn't all that bad, it's par for the course justifications. It's just life. Get over it. I read a lot of those 'what age were you when a man first exposed/assaulted/sexually intimidated' questions at several points after high profile murders, like Sarah Everard. The lists on Twitter. Almost identical. I started compiling my own as I read. I started asking other women. It was, and is, utterly depressing and disillusioning how as I read I realised that I myself had stopped counting, become accustomed and numb to it, purely as it would have sent me mad if I hadn't. A litany. Sometimes witnessed, sometimes others acted, sometimes I reported it. Mostly I just coped or ignored it. Moved on; tried to forget. That so many of us could so easy recall so many incidents, of such a similar nature from such a young age. Day in day out for decades. We took and take it for granted. It is an aspect of growing older that I looked forward to, but I'm wondering when is old enough for it to stop. I see it happening to others.
The magnitude of how tiny I feel to ever see this change was, and is, hard to contemplate. How many more generations. My fear and need to protect the next generations is too overwhelming and when the organs of state and too many others are happy with the status quo. And, as you write, and as the question asks, it's not 'seeing' it's 'exposing', this point seems to pass so many people by. It's a deliberate and deliberative action, no mistake or accidental. We're not prudes, we're not frigid, or uptight. This isn't the mucking around naked and being bathed with siblings as children or with friends we're talking about here. It can be anyone and it's an act of violence and control, like other sexual violence and abuse.
I've never had such a moving and considered comment to anything I've ever posted . Anywhere . Anytime . Thank you .
Well, I feel privileged to have witnessed this
Thank you, much appreciated. I'm sure the others will be along in a bit!
I’m with you on this. I’ve got to the age I am, thinking that I’ve got off lightly but I think that’s just because misogyny is normalised to the extent that we no longer register it. Now I can think of countless episodes of one form of abuse or other, albeit mostly non physical, that I have just accepted and tidied away, and as you say, I became accustomed to it and numb. I don’t think it will ever stop either, seeing it happen to others including our families and friends is a reminder that it is still there.
Thank you Lawlie. The internal, domestic, housekeeping of our lives. I was awake in the wee hours the other night thinking, well at least I'm still alive. Physically, bodily, mostly intact. I survived. Then so sad. Which end of the life/death continuum am I at? That somehow that's the level I compare myself to and that alive is ok. I've been so triggered of late, and by this trans activism unfolding. Some memories have been rearing their ugly heads with refusnik clarity. I am still alive and I will fight. I have kicked, and pushed and fought for my life before, and this is another form of it and where my rights are being ignored. I have protected others and will do this again.
This is the cumulative impact, and that the earlier it happens, and how that is handled by those around you, the more vulnerable it can make you and it's the gift that sometimes gives throughout your life. Adverse Childhood Events (ACEs) seem a novel thing that services and wider society still have a shoddy grasp of how to approach, or to provide trauma-informed care.
These are the shock waves that ricochet through me still. And too many others. And we don't speak about it, because enough people turn away, play dead, pretend, enough fail to notice, it's too upsetting, awkward or inconvenient and too many others are so damaged too. And what can they do? Not apathy, but love and care, and keeping watch, but that involves energy, attention and effort. Listening.
I gain succour and strength from others though - you here writing and speaking up. I feel so viscerally how important it is that we hear the voices and that Graham and others are walking through the fire to allow us that opportunity.
❤️ you write so eloquently. Thank you
Congratulations Graham on the Times interview. I am trying to post a comment to the article thanking you but keep being told I might want to modify my comment - I had mentioned the threat to women’s rights and gay rights of gender identity ideology and it didn’t like that …
Does Owen Jones plan to pretend this didn't happen? Move on?
Don’t be silly, he’ll find an angle.
Has anyone read Shon Faye's book? I'd like to see an analysis of it.
She's calling for nothing less than the downfall of capitalism. All the best with that one.
Why would anyone who supports the medical-industrial complex call for the downfall of capitalism? Oh whoops, she doesn't know the medical-industrial complex is part of capitalism?
*he*
I mean... abortion and birth control are also slaves to the medical-industrial complex
Are they? They seem to me to be necessary components of women's reproductive choices. I'm not opposed to trauma surgery, I'm not opposed to cancer screenings, etc, but I am opposed to exploiting people for $$$$$.
You got me there
Unfortunately that is not a turn off for me.
Me neither. But I find it hypocritical, given that the objectification and commodification of women, which is what many of these people buy into, are tropes par excellence of late capitalism, where everything is fair game.
Yeah that's a fair point.
https://unherd.com/2021/09/the-trans-war-on-motherhood/
Me too. I can't be bothered to read it myself. Any book which begins equating feminism with colonialism must be under suspicion of being an unoriginal regurgitation of standard woke poop. But if I was trans I'd be careful about wanting to abolish the police as the real force standing between such minorities and genuine right wing hate organisations.
Yeah I read it and didn't find it insightful. Nor do I find Helen Joyce in any way interesting. Her book did not appeal to me.
Agree.
Agree.Good starting point which is why I sponsored a copy for my MSP and MP via Sex Matters.org
The “entire category of people” is not “transwomen” it is MEN, you blithering idiot, Laurie Penny! Who is Penny anyway? I had never heard of her before. Who are these awful, ridiculous women promoting themselves by pandering to men? Is that the only way for women to get published in the “Liberal” press these days? By apeing men?
Disturbingly, yes. Apeing some men, and those of fragile ego like Owen Jones who will storm out of interviews if he is not praised enough. There's a whole bunch like this making a very nice living thank you very much. She writes you see, and is an intellectual with successful writing. The 'don't you know I am published' type. Who have either read the whole of women's history, or are utterly unaware, and rejected this with, nah, they were all wrong, it's now the Laurie nth wave of Feminism.
She seems to believe that people who have different opinions are just wrong. Wrong I tell you! Outrageous! She is just on the side of reason and justice and kindness after all. The right side of history even. So we should shut up. There's a clear route through academia, our 'best' institutions, for clever clogs like her and then to be talking heads and experts on bloody everything for decades after. If you can learn how to parrot the type of argument in essays, you get rewarded and rise up the ranks. You see these MAs and PhDs, and think, how? They used to be called Mickey Mouse degrees in basket weaving, and Women's studies was always pooh poohed - it is still - but that's transmogrified by the transgrifters into a Gender Studies type of something (like at LSE) and they are now in previously respected departments like English deplatforming Colonialist people they disagree with. It's literal violence! She's won the Orwell prize and can write a neatly expressed argument. She is privately educated and can quite obviously, objectively, be described as privileged. White privilege has now pivoted to be the champion of the poor 'other', the most vulnerable. If you don't fit in this new, but really the same old same old classification, you're f**ked and we judge you. There is little surprise she has found a home in Los Angeles and is now International Laurie. If this tale seems familiar, yup, plus ça change. Play Trans bingo with her Wiki entry - comes from Brighton...tick...tick tick tick.
Seeing Laurie Penny up against David Starkey (it's on YT) was a funny one, she collapsed into a puddle of squeaky voiced womanity on the verge of tears. And as a woman I was ashamed at her using her status as a but-I'm-so-vulnerable woman and feminist and non-binary fluid neutral better-than-you human as ploy to escape being challenged. Indefensible and cringeworthy Laurie. She cannot admit she might have misjudged this as her brand would be affected.
Glinner was planning an Extra Mess today. Is it still on? The thumbnail that was on his YouTube page heralding the planned video has disappeared.
Still there for me. Starts at 4pm (BST)
Thank you for the personal insight. This makes the whole episode even more appalling. Once upon a time you only needed to be worried about flashers invading the “Newspaper” sections of Public Libraries. At least all the women and girls were clothed there so they were not perving on naked women and girls.
Ditto. It does doesn't it. Our public realm, or what's left of it.
Ah Libraries. And 'newspapers, journals and periodicals'. What a slice of life. And latterly the computer section where there were porn blocks they'd try (sometimes successfully) to get around. Men would regularly be thrown out by staff for groping, perving, following, flashing or threatening. Professional, paid staff, not volunteers (much as I love them). It used to be well-known that these were the areas that very vulnerable and marginalised people could go, for free, when it was inclement weather or for a sit down and not be chased out or barred unless they impinged on others. They were interesting places for me as a very young girl and then woman but many are a shadow of their former selves.