I am a kiwifarms user, mostly because I was pushed out of the so-called 'nicer' spaces where you are no longer allowed to call a man in a dress a man, and you most certainly are not allowed to post evidence that they might be fetishists or literal groomers. I don't think the farms is worse in tone than certain parts of twitter, but it has been hunted down because of its wealth of evidence against TiMs and gender butchers, despite also being a completely public forum where anyone can post. This is now the world we live in: if you want to be able to gather evidence that the new protected trans class and its surrounding industry are corrupt and predatory, you have to allow other people to say things you think are distasteful.
The accusations of threats, harrassment and swatting are fabricated, by the way: the farms users, like most of us, have committed the cardinal sin of being 'unkind' to new the sacred class and that's what they're mad about.
Also - where do these people get the time to spend on all these different forums??? They are just living their life online? Don't they have jobs to do/children or elderly parents to look after/places to visit? I guess what I'm driving at is - for what % of people is this stuff important?
Thank you Corinna. It's standing out to me that those men like you that call themselves 'transsexual' are key to fighting back against this tide of gender ideology. I too have read what was on kiwi farms after seeing it referenced and wanting to know what it was. I filtered out what I needed to. It was the only place that was a comprehensive repository of some of the madder trans activist extremes. Other sites give summaries or explain, but it seemed to have direct links and histories laid out step by step in threads. Showed the seedier underbelly straight from the underbelly. Then the monetising of attention fits with trans rights activism so well. This is gamergate in its newest form.
Laying this out like this is shocking. The links to the FBI and how these people move between sectors and arms of the state with little scrutiny, pushing this increasingly unhinged and unevidenced narrative. And the caution about being quick to silence people - and how that grows resentment and will pop up somewhere else in an ever more resentful form.
I read this article yesterday but can’t remember how I was directed to it. At least it’s being disseminated elsewhere. I know the Farms is still up somewhere but have not been able to track it down but at least the keffals thread was archived
Thank goodness that there are people brave enough to keep exposing the truth but my Goddess, I'm appalled at how disgusting and depraved the discourse has devolved to. The more I see of this, the more I think the internet was/is a curse rather than a blessing. Once you give people carte blanche to spew their venomous rage-posts, all is lost.
Suicide is casually brought up at all times in the dialogues about cross-sex ideology. While the depressed, anxious and traumatized feelings of "gender dysphoria" might appear to extremely fraught and unique, these feelings and urges are reported by many teens/adults with different issues. Suicide has been reported, correctly, in the past, as a social contagion. No one group has a corner on the "suicide market".
I once felt extremely depressed regarding my former husband claiming to be 'mother' of our children, and spent a half hour in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, just thinking. I know of a trans widow who committed suicide, her surviving husband completely taking on the 'mother' identity with the young children. This happened in the 1990s in Queens. Many trans widows report days, hours or moments when the thought of ending it all had to be firmly pushed out of her mind.
Suicide is immoral and unethical, and sometimes others are taken along on the trip, from heart attack after the shock of the news, or as the driver of the train that was used as an instrument of death. I was told this by a retired nurse who counseled Tube employees in the aftermath--yes, it is a position someone holds over there.
Living humans will always remember this punishment you inflicted on them. I sympathize with any detransitioner who finds the will to live has abandoned their soul. However, it is an urge that will pass, one gets through the day to see another sunrise. Working on strategies to combat this deep depression must be emphasized. When I was a young adult, one of my father's younger cousins killed herself. Her siblings never recovered, emotionally. They'd been helping her and she convinced them not to put her in a locked ward a few weeks prior.
I did not write of the episode on the bridge in my memoir, but did include many of the strategies to fight the darkness, through work in nature and focused gratitude. Please do not be casual about suicide. Cross-sex treatments are not the answer. The longitudinal study in Sweden, with matched cohorts, found that decades later those who went on the cross-sex medicalized path were 19% higher (recorded in death certificates) at risk of completing suicides than age-matched controls.
Ute Heggen, author, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
The assault on the neutral internet by these folk is just shameless at this point. They are desperate to have their grimy past hidden or discussed. I'm astounded that so many people are taking such obvious fabrications and speculations as factual. Astonishing really. The Hitch piece on free speech is as true today as when it was written. These loons don't even understand the ramifications of their actions... a braying mob.
I am a kiwifarms user, mostly because I was pushed out of the so-called 'nicer' spaces where you are no longer allowed to call a man in a dress a man, and you most certainly are not allowed to post evidence that they might be fetishists or literal groomers. I don't think the farms is worse in tone than certain parts of twitter, but it has been hunted down because of its wealth of evidence against TiMs and gender butchers, despite also being a completely public forum where anyone can post. This is now the world we live in: if you want to be able to gather evidence that the new protected trans class and its surrounding industry are corrupt and predatory, you have to allow other people to say things you think are distasteful.
The accusations of threats, harrassment and swatting are fabricated, by the way: the farms users, like most of us, have committed the cardinal sin of being 'unkind' to new the sacred class and that's what they're mad about.
"At a high level, this is a spat between an internet gossip group, an irresponsible journalist nursing a grudge, and an internet clown."
Looks that way from here in the cheap seats.
My head hurts.
Also - where do these people get the time to spend on all these different forums??? They are just living their life online? Don't they have jobs to do/children or elderly parents to look after/places to visit? I guess what I'm driving at is - for what % of people is this stuff important?
Great article! Thank you for amplifying it and getting it out to a wider audience.
Corinna's Substack: https://corinnacohn.substack.com/
Thank you Corinna. It's standing out to me that those men like you that call themselves 'transsexual' are key to fighting back against this tide of gender ideology. I too have read what was on kiwi farms after seeing it referenced and wanting to know what it was. I filtered out what I needed to. It was the only place that was a comprehensive repository of some of the madder trans activist extremes. Other sites give summaries or explain, but it seemed to have direct links and histories laid out step by step in threads. Showed the seedier underbelly straight from the underbelly. Then the monetising of attention fits with trans rights activism so well. This is gamergate in its newest form.
Laying this out like this is shocking. The links to the FBI and how these people move between sectors and arms of the state with little scrutiny, pushing this increasingly unhinged and unevidenced narrative. And the caution about being quick to silence people - and how that grows resentment and will pop up somewhere else in an ever more resentful form.
I read this article yesterday but can’t remember how I was directed to it. At least it’s being disseminated elsewhere. I know the Farms is still up somewhere but have not been able to track it down but at least the keffals thread was archived
Thank goodness that there are people brave enough to keep exposing the truth but my Goddess, I'm appalled at how disgusting and depraved the discourse has devolved to. The more I see of this, the more I think the internet was/is a curse rather than a blessing. Once you give people carte blanche to spew their venomous rage-posts, all is lost.
Suicide is casually brought up at all times in the dialogues about cross-sex ideology. While the depressed, anxious and traumatized feelings of "gender dysphoria" might appear to extremely fraught and unique, these feelings and urges are reported by many teens/adults with different issues. Suicide has been reported, correctly, in the past, as a social contagion. No one group has a corner on the "suicide market".
I once felt extremely depressed regarding my former husband claiming to be 'mother' of our children, and spent a half hour in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, just thinking. I know of a trans widow who committed suicide, her surviving husband completely taking on the 'mother' identity with the young children. This happened in the 1990s in Queens. Many trans widows report days, hours or moments when the thought of ending it all had to be firmly pushed out of her mind.
Suicide is immoral and unethical, and sometimes others are taken along on the trip, from heart attack after the shock of the news, or as the driver of the train that was used as an instrument of death. I was told this by a retired nurse who counseled Tube employees in the aftermath--yes, it is a position someone holds over there.
Living humans will always remember this punishment you inflicted on them. I sympathize with any detransitioner who finds the will to live has abandoned their soul. However, it is an urge that will pass, one gets through the day to see another sunrise. Working on strategies to combat this deep depression must be emphasized. When I was a young adult, one of my father's younger cousins killed herself. Her siblings never recovered, emotionally. They'd been helping her and she convinced them not to put her in a locked ward a few weeks prior.
I did not write of the episode on the bridge in my memoir, but did include many of the strategies to fight the darkness, through work in nature and focused gratitude. Please do not be casual about suicide. Cross-sex treatments are not the answer. The longitudinal study in Sweden, with matched cohorts, found that decades later those who went on the cross-sex medicalized path were 19% higher (recorded in death certificates) at risk of completing suicides than age-matched controls.
Ute Heggen, author, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com
Great content
Why does the Trans lady look like Roland Orzabal?
The assault on the neutral internet by these folk is just shameless at this point. They are desperate to have their grimy past hidden or discussed. I'm astounded that so many people are taking such obvious fabrications and speculations as factual. Astonishing really. The Hitch piece on free speech is as true today as when it was written. These loons don't even understand the ramifications of their actions... a braying mob.