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I was one of the founding members of WEP but, appalled at its willingness to ignore its members, I contacted them last year to say I was cancelling my membership. I was persuaded to hang on in there by the implementation of a ‘sex matters’ caucus, and have been in touch with them today regarding Reid's statement. They say they are making a statement tomorrow, but my hopes aren’t high. I refuse to continue funding an organisation that refuses to support those very women it was set up to represent.

(Apart from anything else, Reid’s videoed statement was nauseating to watch and hear. She appears to see herself as a powerful and persuasive orator. She really isn’t.)

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And there it is, more often than not: behind every colonisation of a place for woman is an AGP male, or the parent of a 'trans child', deeply in the grip of Cognitive Dissonance.

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I joined right at the start but I left last year. What a shame, what a shambles what a con. They never answered my questions just totally ignored them. Good grief we’re not stupid.

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'I am excited by the new frontiers that open up with self-ID and non-binary identities' said Mandu Reid. Unfortunately, too many men are also excited by these new frontiers opening up for them, leaving women and children vulnerable to their predations. I can't think how many levels of stupid you have to have to not see the dangers.

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Again, the concept of a trans child is liken to a vegan cat.

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This is all true. I was on the Advisory Group of the Members Assembly and was never allowed to see the results of the answers to the questions Nat Cen chose from their observations of the discussions after the presentations by the chosen witnesses. Sport was not allowed to be discussed as “WEP hasn’t got a policy on that” and Gina Rippon was not allowed to present her evidence on “health” (which is a policy area) as the ”self ID side” couldn’t find or didn’t look for anyone who could or would argue against her. So that policy area was ignored completely.

But where is the quotation from that suggests WEP has 30,000 members. If you look at their published financial accounts and the numbers of members their database registers they have never had more than 9000. The spin is always “members and supporters” when numbers are mentioned. That is very disingenuous indeed.

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Liberal feminists are the worst kind of feminist. In fact it’s an oxymoron - heavy emphasis on the moron

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Fucking HELL. That is all I have got to say.

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I did like many women joined thinking at last and this is it but soon realised it wasnt what it said on the tin.

And like those women still in Labour *thinking they are making inroads why any women bother is beyond me.

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The world divides ever more and splits.

Understandable women from different political persuasions on different matters (right / left) … but women who want men in women's spaces!

How did they get so far removed from reality that they will accept men as women.!

How do they not see they will be thrown under the bus when trans women come in and want their positions!

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Equality in name only. What's new? The only surprise is it has taken this long for more people to start noticing. Just as eagle-eyed money-makers are jumping on the TRA bandwagon to get easy funding and career prospects, the same thing happened to "feminism" years ago. The same thing happens with the word "equality" in every possible sector. I don't give myself any labels because it reduces us to what the best-funded spokespeople on the market are promoting. I'm a woman and I'll fight for what is right, nothing trendy can be added to that.

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Shocking that ST is going along with this 🤔 Is it worth joining in order to have a voice or is it too far gone? The problem is if it is viewed as a stakeholder organisation and given a seat at the table to represent ‘women’s’ views on self ID.

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I wrote asking about just this approx a year ago and eventually received an answer stating that indeed there would be a full consultation. But I've heard no more until I read this. It's a sad, sorry situation - with the Greens, Labour, SNP and Lib Dems all fully signed up to gender woo-woo just where/how can we vote? Boris and chums' party holds no appeal, yet ironically, they do seem aware of the importance of the many complex and contentious issues entwined in 'gender identity' WTF? Effectively, dissenting female voices are now pretty much cut out from democracy unless we also want to vote for privilege, tax cuts for the rich, jobs for mates etc etc.

Yes, Sandi too is clearly more interested in her media career than in expressing any views that might jeopardise this. Yet sometimes I think all it would take to tip the balance would be one more voice such as hers stating something sane, logical and reasoned.

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More here, from Mumsnet. Note the Guest post with Sandy Toksvig mentioned on the thread, back in 2015! https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4058470-the-big-lie-how-the-wep-was-always-about-gender-rather-than-sex

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What a massive let down

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Is this Google man (donor or employee of WEP or both?) named anywhere? I would very much like to know who he is.That is not a threat, btw.

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