What more will it take? We have numerous whistleblowers, staff quitting, a successful tribunal, in-depth interviews with staff exposing the ‘care’ model for what it is, a head of psychology exposed as normalising adult diaper fetishes/‘ageplay’ (SHUDDER) which there aren’t enough fucking red flags in the world to cover and now they refuse to recruit anyone with an objective approach to gender care lest anything get in the way of their teenage mutilation and sterilisation programme... If this doesn’t blow up explosively in the world’s biggest gender kaboom then we are literally fucked - WHERE ARE THE ADULTS??????? WHAT ARE YOU DOING???????? STOP THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!!
It's not going to change until what is happening provokes the kind of widespread reaction that can't be ignored. A lot of people still seem to have a limited awareness of what's going on, or they detach from it believing it doesn't affect them. Realising the ambitions of those promoting gender ideology is highly profitable for some, and it's given others careers with a good income. These people are going to keep it going their way for as long as they can. They want it all, they want far too much and eventually it'll break.
Some of the adolescents being physically and psychologically damaged now are going to be very traumatised adults in a few years time. Inevitably, a number of them will want some kind of redress, the way Keira Bell does. And we'll get to a stage where it will be impossible to prevent that from happening.
The impact this ideology makes on women and girls is going to be increasingly felt, and not only as a result of the huge efforts activists like Posie are making. This is a movement which demands men's right to abuse, and half the population aren't men or non men, they're women. Including those claiming to be non binary, it's a status they can't afford in the face of men like this.
This is beyond horrifying ,but no longer surprising. I will NEVER understand how ANY SURGEON can bring himself to mutilate the genitalia of young people and in doing so irreversibly sterilise them ,leaving them to.rely on exogenous hormones for the rest of their lives !! Legal Castration for no valid medical ,life threatening , condition now a " treatment " in the 21st century ? Shocking ! I fervently hope to see these people charged with criminal offences before I die !!🙏🙏🙏
I believe she has sent copies of all correspondence to Sajid Javid and asked him to intervene. I'm sure we'll be watching with interest to see what happens now!
Thank you JL. Of all the many many extraordinary things i've read over the years, that article in yesterday's Times (and Telegraph) wherein the recruitment consultant 'says the quiet part out loud' is the most gobsmacking, and depressing. The Tavistock seems to be a Church, now
This all seems to be happening with the full approval of our government. The question is why. Do we need to be seen to adopt transgender ideology in order to get a trade deal with the US? Or US investment in our health service? Does anyone know the answer to this or can anyone suggest a way to find out?
I am worried about the Cass report. I seem to remember she's used the phrase 'assigned at birth' in her blog. I will try and find.
I am scared the whole thing is too big for her, but then my own view is that GIDS should not even exist at all - 'gender dysphoria' itself is a concept that has face validity but is based upon stereotypes in large part, and can be explained by other psychosocial problems.
So I've had a look and she uses 'gender assigned at birth'. but what does she mean? Gender stereotypical ideas about what a baby will be like, based on their sex? Yes, there are stereotypes assigned to babies from birth in many cases, which intensify as they grow (what they will wear; what toys they will play with what their personality will be like; what they will be interested in; who they will be attracted to). Why should any NHS clinic be in the business of changing a child (their name, pronouns and their bodies), because they don't fit the stereotype?
It's interesting (and somewhat horrifying) that believing that "sex is immutable" is now positioned purely as a "gender critical view", which implies that it's just a philosophical belief, and if holding this belief is not in line with the philosophical values of an organisation, then it's ok to reject someone as unsuitable. It's not a belief, it's a scientific fact, established beyond all reasonable doubt, and most people know it through simple common sense. If I lose my arm, can I grow a new one? No. So how would I somehow resorb all the reproductive organs of my female sex and grow brand new male ones that were never there? To say nothing of other changes.
This is particularly worrying given that the NHS is a medical organisation, and medicine must be evidence-based and based on scientific fact. If saying that sex is immutable is not acceptable for an NHS clinic, then it's abandoned all established science. I can think of no clearer illustration of ideology trumping evidence, and it's being played out on vulnerable children's bodies and minds. Who is driving this?
It's such a shame. This woman sounded like she could have made a real positive difference to these children suffering a lot of mental distress. Like maybe she would have swung back to the evidence-based position of "watchful waiting" and psychotherapy to explore their other issues.
The idea of assorted misogynists, fanatical gender ideologues and their compliant lackeys citing gender critical views as 'extremist and weird' is beyond risible.
I am torn between sadness that she has to adopt special 'identity' because she's not a girly girl, but also F OFF; NO-ONE CARES WHAT YOU CALL YOURSELF!!!
I would love to know who the BBC thinks it's speaking to? Because it feels like they are trolling most of us, and not addressing the kind of person who'd be remotely interested in this stuff. Are there a lot of blue haired SJW's watching Football Focus or reading the BBC website?
A woman wrote a letter to a local paper detailing how her physician has had her license suspended for treating people's covid (which she did successfully and immediately for the letter-writer). This doctor had her license suspended, so I wrote a letter to the Board of Licensure for Medicine detailing what has been done to me over the years and to my husband in the past two years by physicians with licenses, harm which apparently is of no concern to the board. The harm is limitless! And everyone I have spoken with about this subject has many more stories of their and their families' harm. So-called medical professionals in the U.S. are, for the most part, brain-dead and often actively abusing alcohol and drugs.
Trans activists should be louder and angrier than anyone that this service is deemed inadequate, that safeguarding is obstructed and whistleblowers are ignored.
I long for a prominent trans activists and gender critic to join in a public campaign that draws attention to the fact that regardless of differences of opinion, these kids are being failed and reform is vital to provide care of a professional standard, whether it includes medical transition or not.
I do not believe it is possible. We have a fundamentally different conception of what transgenderism is and how it should be treated. I don't believe any child is 'trans'. I believe the trans child is a creation of adults who wish to make sense of their own experiences and validate their fetishes in some cases.
Some transactivists have also subjected their own children to Munchausen's By Proxy, and wish to advocate this for other people's children, to validate their choice...
Here's Susie Green, of Mermaids, presenting child transitioning as a solution to to a traumatised little boy who liked My Little Pony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7rZ1IC-6gk
OTOH, if you mean that distressed children should be supported, then I can go for that, but there is no reason this should not be happening in our existing CAHMS services
I tend to agree, but until the argument is won I'd prefer any kids that adults are potentially going to transition get a chance.
Standardised, scrutinised and publicised standards of care should be something we all want. Multiple opinions before treatment. long lead ups to medicine and long tails on follow ups. Offer a range of therapies with In depth statistical analysis of patients, treatments and efficacy providing public datasets that are published regularly.
Trans activists should want this too, there's no rational argument against any of it.
He doesn't express himself very well on this occasion but I honestly don't think he means there are different sorts of sex. I think (because I've heard him speak on the same subject before) he meant that every single aspect/part of our body is sexed, even at a cellular level. He's both a scientist and a medical doctor and, for decades, was the world's leading expert and researcher in human reproduction. I would be astounded if he believed that there are more than two sexes!
Thank you, it's reassuring. He certainly appears to give credence to the idea of there being a male/female brain, and he did say "they are all different" re the various 'types' of sex he listed. Must have been the heat of the moment. I prefer to focus on where he says "you can't change sex". Perhaps what he meant was you can change your anatomy, or your hormones, but you still haven't changed your sex because it is not located there... The whole being greater than the sum of the parts, perhaps.
Yes, I think that's exactly what he means ie that surgery and hormones do not change ones sex because our entire being is sexed in its every minute aspect. I think 'they are all different' refers to the various ways in which a body is sexed. I'm certain there's no way he'd ever believe, or even pretend to believe, that there are more than two sexes.
Not sure. He says "psychological brain sex", maybe he means the psychological effects of differently wired brains? Things like women having on average more connections between left and right brain than men (if I remember correctly).
Thanks, just watched his clip. He certainly seems to be listing different types of sex! "... you have all sorts... psychological, brain sex, they're all different". So he starts off by saying you can't change your sex but doesn't say there are only two. Then he lists them on his fingers. It seems that he is saying that "psychological sex" and "brain sex" are distinct from each other and from "hormonal sex" and "chromosomal sex". Sorry but this is not such a great defence of biology as people say it is, to my mind.
I think his explanation was unfortunate in that you are not alone in questioning exactly what he meant. It was a bit clunky and 'both sides' then claimed it or parts as a defence of their own position.
It might have been so obvious to him he didn't state there are only two sexes, and he was a little caught out, as for many it's so obvious it's hard to keep stating, restating and defending it. And the totality of it affecting every part of you, which was my take on what he was doing. His frustration was obvious and for those not used to debating on the madey uppey nuances and faux science thrown at them as 'proof' (which isn't proof or evidence) it can be a minefield.
There's more and more interesting research into the areas that create/cause our perceptions of our own identity/body/sex and use of brain scans to see which areas activate (or not) which may begin to explain why some are so convinced they are the opposite sex (but more researchers removed from Twitter for posting information as was covered on this site). If those connections are fewer/missing/different (as Glyptodon mentioned), the way we view ourselves may be affected. Not that they have female brains in a male body (or vice versa) though.
Maybe you're right, but he didn't express himself well. The impression is given that there are lots of different types of biological sex, even if what he meant is that your sex affects every part of your body, but it is still the one biological sex.
Good on Kate Grimes and on Lord Hunt. Honestly, we are at the stage an ideology has taken such a hold that senior recruitment agency staff think rhat can act outside the law with impunity.
What more will it take? We have numerous whistleblowers, staff quitting, a successful tribunal, in-depth interviews with staff exposing the ‘care’ model for what it is, a head of psychology exposed as normalising adult diaper fetishes/‘ageplay’ (SHUDDER) which there aren’t enough fucking red flags in the world to cover and now they refuse to recruit anyone with an objective approach to gender care lest anything get in the way of their teenage mutilation and sterilisation programme... If this doesn’t blow up explosively in the world’s biggest gender kaboom then we are literally fucked - WHERE ARE THE ADULTS??????? WHAT ARE YOU DOING???????? STOP THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!!
It's not going to change until what is happening provokes the kind of widespread reaction that can't be ignored. A lot of people still seem to have a limited awareness of what's going on, or they detach from it believing it doesn't affect them. Realising the ambitions of those promoting gender ideology is highly profitable for some, and it's given others careers with a good income. These people are going to keep it going their way for as long as they can. They want it all, they want far too much and eventually it'll break.
Some of the adolescents being physically and psychologically damaged now are going to be very traumatised adults in a few years time. Inevitably, a number of them will want some kind of redress, the way Keira Bell does. And we'll get to a stage where it will be impossible to prevent that from happening.
The impact this ideology makes on women and girls is going to be increasingly felt, and not only as a result of the huge efforts activists like Posie are making. This is a movement which demands men's right to abuse, and half the population aren't men or non men, they're women. Including those claiming to be non binary, it's a status they can't afford in the face of men like this.
This is beyond horrifying ,but no longer surprising. I will NEVER understand how ANY SURGEON can bring himself to mutilate the genitalia of young people and in doing so irreversibly sterilise them ,leaving them to.rely on exogenous hormones for the rest of their lives !! Legal Castration for no valid medical ,life threatening , condition now a " treatment " in the 21st century ? Shocking ! I fervently hope to see these people charged with criminal offences before I die !!🙏🙏🙏
Forgot to say ,thanks JL for reporting this. You do a wonderful job 👏👏👏💕
Ah thank you, Susan. So that's so kind of you.
Not even just a treatment, but a "life-saving" one!
Will she bring a belief-discrimination action against the Tavistock? I hope so.
I believe she has sent copies of all correspondence to Sajid Javid and asked him to intervene. I'm sure we'll be watching with interest to see what happens now!
Thank you JL. Of all the many many extraordinary things i've read over the years, that article in yesterday's Times (and Telegraph) wherein the recruitment consultant 'says the quiet part out loud' is the most gobsmacking, and depressing. The Tavistock seems to be a Church, now
Gobsmacking is the word. But hopefully this story will open people's eyes to the lunacy infesting the NHS.
My health trust is right up there on the SW Top 100 list, which explains the things I observed while an in- and out-patient in the autumn.
This all seems to be happening with the full approval of our government. The question is why. Do we need to be seen to adopt transgender ideology in order to get a trade deal with the US? Or US investment in our health service? Does anyone know the answer to this or can anyone suggest a way to find out?
Lobbyists - I wonder if it is so wide spread generally that the gender thing is just one example
What interesting questions you ask!
Surely this should be the last straw for the Tavistock. It needs shut down forever. I really can't wait for the Cass report
I am worried about the Cass report. I seem to remember she's used the phrase 'assigned at birth' in her blog. I will try and find.
I am scared the whole thing is too big for her, but then my own view is that GIDS should not even exist at all - 'gender dysphoria' itself is a concept that has face validity but is based upon stereotypes in large part, and can be explained by other psychosocial problems.
So I've had a look and she uses 'gender assigned at birth'. but what does she mean? Gender stereotypical ideas about what a baby will be like, based on their sex? Yes, there are stereotypes assigned to babies from birth in many cases, which intensify as they grow (what they will wear; what toys they will play with what their personality will be like; what they will be interested in; who they will be attracted to). Why should any NHS clinic be in the business of changing a child (their name, pronouns and their bodies), because they don't fit the stereotype?
It's interesting (and somewhat horrifying) that believing that "sex is immutable" is now positioned purely as a "gender critical view", which implies that it's just a philosophical belief, and if holding this belief is not in line with the philosophical values of an organisation, then it's ok to reject someone as unsuitable. It's not a belief, it's a scientific fact, established beyond all reasonable doubt, and most people know it through simple common sense. If I lose my arm, can I grow a new one? No. So how would I somehow resorb all the reproductive organs of my female sex and grow brand new male ones that were never there? To say nothing of other changes.
This is particularly worrying given that the NHS is a medical organisation, and medicine must be evidence-based and based on scientific fact. If saying that sex is immutable is not acceptable for an NHS clinic, then it's abandoned all established science. I can think of no clearer illustration of ideology trumping evidence, and it's being played out on vulnerable children's bodies and minds. Who is driving this?
It's such a shame. This woman sounded like she could have made a real positive difference to these children suffering a lot of mental distress. Like maybe she would have swung back to the evidence-based position of "watchful waiting" and psychotherapy to explore their other issues.
I think there’s a strong suggestion that if you have “gender critical beliefs” you’re an extremist and also weird.
The idea of assorted misogynists, fanatical gender ideologues and their compliant lackeys citing gender critical views as 'extremist and weird' is beyond risible.
But we live in societies where objective fact takes a back seat to some people's continual need for more and more power and money.
“No evidence base” that should have ended all this
surely,surely they have shot themselves in the head now?
I hope so. This story must surely make people what the hell is going on.
You'd hope so, as I'm sure we all do.
It’s all nonsense, isn’t it?
Frightening nonsense
What a total dumpster fire!
I can't think of much more of a bitter irony than medical professionals harming those they are charged with healing.
Anyone in the mood for some of Aunties' vacuous gender extremist drivel?
"Football Focus meets Caz Simone, a non-binary footballer for Brighouse Town Women, who discusses how they found their identity through social media."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/60532141
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/60532141
I am torn between sadness that she has to adopt special 'identity' because she's not a girly girl, but also F OFF; NO-ONE CARES WHAT YOU CALL YOURSELF!!!
I would love to know who the BBC thinks it's speaking to? Because it feels like they are trolling most of us, and not addressing the kind of person who'd be remotely interested in this stuff. Are there a lot of blue haired SJW's watching Football Focus or reading the BBC website?
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A woman wrote a letter to a local paper detailing how her physician has had her license suspended for treating people's covid (which she did successfully and immediately for the letter-writer). This doctor had her license suspended, so I wrote a letter to the Board of Licensure for Medicine detailing what has been done to me over the years and to my husband in the past two years by physicians with licenses, harm which apparently is of no concern to the board. The harm is limitless! And everyone I have spoken with about this subject has many more stories of their and their families' harm. So-called medical professionals in the U.S. are, for the most part, brain-dead and often actively abusing alcohol and drugs.
Trans activists should be louder and angrier than anyone that this service is deemed inadequate, that safeguarding is obstructed and whistleblowers are ignored.
I long for a prominent trans activists and gender critic to join in a public campaign that draws attention to the fact that regardless of differences of opinion, these kids are being failed and reform is vital to provide care of a professional standard, whether it includes medical transition or not.
I do not believe it is possible. We have a fundamentally different conception of what transgenderism is and how it should be treated. I don't believe any child is 'trans'. I believe the trans child is a creation of adults who wish to make sense of their own experiences and validate their fetishes in some cases.
Some transactivists have also subjected their own children to Munchausen's By Proxy, and wish to advocate this for other people's children, to validate their choice...
Here's Susie Green, of Mermaids, presenting child transitioning as a solution to to a traumatised little boy who liked My Little Pony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7rZ1IC-6gk
OTOH, if you mean that distressed children should be supported, then I can go for that, but there is no reason this should not be happening in our existing CAHMS services
Existing CAMHS services are not fit for purpose, unfortunately.
That is true. I should have said: In theory, CAHMS should be doing this work
Here's Martin/Katie Neeves - TRA, does lots of training, using children to validate his fetish:https://twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1497222535070744578
More on Martin here:https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/trans-educator-describes-arousal?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNDgyMjE1NiwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDkzNjgxMTYsIl8iOiJWNDg3YSIsImlhdCI6MTY0NTkwMDMyMiwiZXhwIjoxNjQ1OTAzOTIyLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNjczMDkiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.tgUVXbJWnmzqnKKv16wl_3sDZQ6c9OOMku8j4ORqvSc&utm_source=url
I tend to agree, but until the argument is won I'd prefer any kids that adults are potentially going to transition get a chance.
Standardised, scrutinised and publicised standards of care should be something we all want. Multiple opinions before treatment. long lead ups to medicine and long tails on follow ups. Offer a range of therapies with In depth statistical analysis of patients, treatments and efficacy providing public datasets that are published regularly.
Trans activists should want this too, there's no rational argument against any of it.
There isn't unless you've made child transition, as they have, into a Human Rights Struggle.
I forgot the Cass report is pending. Can't come soon enough.
As I have written above, I am concerned about it. I hope it's the panacea we wish for.
Who are the people actually making policy at the Tavistock? What is their history and lifestyle?
Can someone please explain what Robert Winston meant when he referred to "psychological brain sex"?
With his listing of all the different types of "sex" he actually doesn't seem that different to someone recognising different "genders".
He doesn't express himself very well on this occasion but I honestly don't think he means there are different sorts of sex. I think (because I've heard him speak on the same subject before) he meant that every single aspect/part of our body is sexed, even at a cellular level. He's both a scientist and a medical doctor and, for decades, was the world's leading expert and researcher in human reproduction. I would be astounded if he believed that there are more than two sexes!
Thank you, it's reassuring. He certainly appears to give credence to the idea of there being a male/female brain, and he did say "they are all different" re the various 'types' of sex he listed. Must have been the heat of the moment. I prefer to focus on where he says "you can't change sex". Perhaps what he meant was you can change your anatomy, or your hormones, but you still haven't changed your sex because it is not located there... The whole being greater than the sum of the parts, perhaps.
Yes, I think that's exactly what he means ie that surgery and hormones do not change ones sex because our entire being is sexed in its every minute aspect. I think 'they are all different' refers to the various ways in which a body is sexed. I'm certain there's no way he'd ever believe, or even pretend to believe, that there are more than two sexes.
He means that "your sex" = male or female. Only two types of sex.
And that (male or female) sex is in every cell of your body, etc.
Thank you. In your view, what does "psychological sex" mean?
Not sure. He says "psychological brain sex", maybe he means the psychological effects of differently wired brains? Things like women having on average more connections between left and right brain than men (if I remember correctly).
Just guessing. Seeing that he is a professor, I suppose that he must have published about this subject. Also, the BBC Question Time episode mentioned is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0010k4m/question-time-2021-14102021
Thanks, just watched his clip. He certainly seems to be listing different types of sex! "... you have all sorts... psychological, brain sex, they're all different". So he starts off by saying you can't change your sex but doesn't say there are only two. Then he lists them on his fingers. It seems that he is saying that "psychological sex" and "brain sex" are distinct from each other and from "hormonal sex" and "chromosomal sex". Sorry but this is not such a great defence of biology as people say it is, to my mind.
I think his explanation was unfortunate in that you are not alone in questioning exactly what he meant. It was a bit clunky and 'both sides' then claimed it or parts as a defence of their own position.
It might have been so obvious to him he didn't state there are only two sexes, and he was a little caught out, as for many it's so obvious it's hard to keep stating, restating and defending it. And the totality of it affecting every part of you, which was my take on what he was doing. His frustration was obvious and for those not used to debating on the madey uppey nuances and faux science thrown at them as 'proof' (which isn't proof or evidence) it can be a minefield.
There's more and more interesting research into the areas that create/cause our perceptions of our own identity/body/sex and use of brain scans to see which areas activate (or not) which may begin to explain why some are so convinced they are the opposite sex (but more researchers removed from Twitter for posting information as was covered on this site). If those connections are fewer/missing/different (as Glyptodon mentioned), the way we view ourselves may be affected. Not that they have female brains in a male body (or vice versa) though.
Maybe you're right, but he didn't express himself well. The impression is given that there are lots of different types of biological sex, even if what he meant is that your sex affects every part of your body, but it is still the one biological sex.
Could be, I haven't watched the clip (can't even because my country is blocked by the BBC).
Good on Kate Grimes and on Lord Hunt. Honestly, we are at the stage an ideology has taken such a hold that senior recruitment agency staff think rhat can act outside the law with impunity.