People are in the comments talking about allyship with the Right, the dangers of it and so on, but that's not the point I was making. what I'm saying is--don't let the right sit on the issue until they're ready to weaponise it. If they're in power, it doesn't matter if you're left or right-leaning yourself, we need to hold them to account.
Excellent--and it's also important to start applying the new "Maya ruling," as I'm calling it. For example, if there are companies that demand "gender training," insist they also include "gender critical training." Academics should be starting "Women's Studies" programs to counter all the "Gender Studies" programs. We need legal eagles to take on cases of harassment because of "lack of belief" in gender ideology. Etc. We have to take the Maya ruling and make the most of it!
It's all projection. The recent comment from Nancy Kelley, likening GC beliefs to anti-Semitism, is a good example. Tell us Lisa, who is it that wants to silence debate, cancel opponents, burn books, make death threats and coerce with violence? 👉 Your lot.
"Otherwise, why aren't they trumpeting the fact that men are already in women's prisons, political appointments, rape shelters, toilets, and so on and on and on?" I think it's because men tend to cover for other men when it comes to sexual gratification, regardless of their political philosophy. They just don't want to interfere with other men's pleasures, no matter what they are - witness the long-term existence of PornHub, and the many, many institutional sex-abuse scandals....I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Right to do right.
Working in domestic abuse services for over 20 years in Greater Manchester, I can safely say that Lisa Nandy has no idea about women in refuges and the fear they feel.
Why when Lisa Nandy was asked about safeguarding in single sex refuges and shelters and how self ID conflicts with that, did she shift focus onto refugees who were child soldiers? Nice way to dodge the issue. The clapping from a predominantly male audience at the TWAW and TMAM phrase felt rather sinister
It is heartbreaking for me. My family is steeped in Labour history. My great great grandfather worked in the Yorkshire mills and campaigned to stop child labour there. Yet I now feel unable to vote for Labour because they are betraying women in such a wholesale and callous way. There must be many left wing women who feel the same way. We also ran the offices, picked up the phones, put leaflets through doors but my letter to my CLP about women’s rights goes unanswered. The only conclusion I can draw is that they just don’t care.
Glad to see this raised. As a socialist & a feminist I don’t trust the Telegraph further than I could kick it, but if it’s the only place I can read about this stuff, I will.
One of the reasons I love Glinner & you all is that the only agenda I can discern here is to establish what’s going on and tell us about it as clearly as possible.
It worries me very much how willing the right are to use it as a wedge issue - I’ve seen Eddie Izzard’s image used on social media before the last two elections as a “look at this ‘son of the working class’ who represents everything bad about Labour” take that.
It also worries me how willing some on the left are willing to say “if it’s in the Telegraph it can’t be true & you mustn’t even be looking at that right wing stuff”.
It’s a proper dropped pie.
Anyway, I’ve got to get back to being “schooled” on Facebook by a bunch of rugrats.
Yes that’s right women and children do not have equal rights or specific to their sex or age based needs under male domination and oppression anywhere. In NZ I note right wing politicians are siloing off women’s sports rather than the whole “shebang” of failures under successive Governments and utter failures of homoerotic machismo bs under Labour here to address women’s representation and legal and human rights with their tokenism and performative sops to women. Same old same old.
Thank you for this. I ditched the misogynistic Guardian years ago, and took a Telegraph subscription after Suzanne Moore started writing for them . They allow me to speak the reality that men aren't women, which is far more than any of the so called left wing media do. The left no longer exists as a party for the working class. It remains to be seen if they can cut out their own cancerous misogyny, or if they're dead and buried.
It's the political class in a nutshell : Cowardice. It's why Bozza the Bullshitter ™ gets away with so much, er, bullshit.
There are many blue-collar right-wingers ... but few blue-collar Tories. It's why the chattering classes were shocked by Brexit and Trump. Trump's a slightly different phenomenon so we'll park that one but Brexit is the *perfect* illustration of the void between politicians and the working-class public; and why it was only the Westminster bubble that was "shocked" by the result (and why the entitled shitheads thought they could thwart it in the courts)
Same for the gender bollocks. It's only the sneering, condescending metropolitans and MPs of all colours who are on-board with the shit show; the populace want no part of the car crash regardless of their political hue.
I wrote to local Tory MSP before the May elections. Got a couple of wishy washy replies from his admin and nothing since I asked what definition of woman he was using. I even pointed out the Conservatives in Scotland have never been able to get any traction now they're staring at an open goal. One did talk about men in women's prisons though on a radio discussion.
The problem for me is that this is a mistaken example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". That formulation is always wrong - the best that can ever be said is that the enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. I have spent too many years on thus planet fighting the Right to embrace them just because they MAY align with me on this point, important as it is. I might stand alongside them with a peg on my nose whilst wearing an NBC suit, but I can never do anything to show approval of them because their very existence is anathema to me.
Yes, I've been thinking for a while how much the Right is involved in this. One might sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I read someone's post showing some evidence that republican billionaires in the USA are bankrolling the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture puberty blockers. The left embrace something funded by the right and are falling foul of the "it's the left and their identity politics that are driving this".
It's a trap that they walk into.
Over in the UK the Tory party has its own trans activist MPs. Penny Mordaunt, Alicia Kearns and Caroline Noakes to name a few. Not forgetting Crispin Blunt who...thanks to my Hansard research for another project, used to argue against gay rights in the 90s, on the grounds it was legitimising predators(!)
People are saying they will vote Tory over this issue...but the cancer is there, too.
The Right, whatever they might have been once, are utterly amoral now. The only principle they have is to acquire more wealth and power by any means available. If you want to understand the moral philosophy of the Right today, look at the Mafia.
I've always been on the Left-ish, but there are some ideas that used to be associated with the (Liberal) Right I admired: personal freedom, personal responsibility, strong defence, an appreciation of the benefits of institutions (as well as their faults), evolution over revolution, an awareness of the dangers of an over-mighty state. The times when the Right paid anything more than lip-service to most of those ideas seems long gone, certainly here and the US.
So what the Right won't see is a terrible wrong being done that must be corrected. What they will see is an opportunity to further their own interests. They've been quiet about Gender lunacy because they feel no need to be noisy about it. Brexit hasn't bitten yet, Johnson is being given credit for the great work of the NHS and awareness of his failures is being carefully managed by the Tory press and the nobbled BBC. They're banking receipts ready for when the polls turn and elections approach.
The Prog/Lib/Left have obligingly provided so much ammunition that the Tories can, for once, win an election by telling the truth. I don't know where the parties are getting their advice from. Obviously they don't actually believe the woo - no one does - so they must think there are votes in it. But why? Whenever regular people learn the true horror of Gender Ideology - not the stunning, brave bullshit in the media - they are utterly repelled by it. Who told them that voters would approve? Why did they believe them?
But cynical vote-chasing aside, everyone here knows how regressive Gender Ideology is. It's not compatible with progressive, liberal values. Its victims are the vulnerable: drugged, carved up, exploited for profit, its activists and advocates as brutal, authoritarian and impermeable to reason as any fascist. So they haven't bothered to check, or the buzz of belonging and the lure of increased status are stronger than the principles they claim to hold. Whichever, it's a terrible indictment of people and organisations who take it for granted that they're a compassionate force for good, and expect others to take it for granted too.
People are in the comments talking about allyship with the Right, the dangers of it and so on, but that's not the point I was making. what I'm saying is--don't let the right sit on the issue until they're ready to weaponise it. If they're in power, it doesn't matter if you're left or right-leaning yourself, we need to hold them to account.
Excellent--and it's also important to start applying the new "Maya ruling," as I'm calling it. For example, if there are companies that demand "gender training," insist they also include "gender critical training." Academics should be starting "Women's Studies" programs to counter all the "Gender Studies" programs. We need legal eagles to take on cases of harassment because of "lack of belief" in gender ideology. Etc. We have to take the Maya ruling and make the most of it!
It's all projection. The recent comment from Nancy Kelley, likening GC beliefs to anti-Semitism, is a good example. Tell us Lisa, who is it that wants to silence debate, cancel opponents, burn books, make death threats and coerce with violence? 👉 Your lot.
"Otherwise, why aren't they trumpeting the fact that men are already in women's prisons, political appointments, rape shelters, toilets, and so on and on and on?" I think it's because men tend to cover for other men when it comes to sexual gratification, regardless of their political philosophy. They just don't want to interfere with other men's pleasures, no matter what they are - witness the long-term existence of PornHub, and the many, many institutional sex-abuse scandals....I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Right to do right.
Working in domestic abuse services for over 20 years in Greater Manchester, I can safely say that Lisa Nandy has no idea about women in refuges and the fear they feel.
Why when Lisa Nandy was asked about safeguarding in single sex refuges and shelters and how self ID conflicts with that, did she shift focus onto refugees who were child soldiers? Nice way to dodge the issue. The clapping from a predominantly male audience at the TWAW and TMAM phrase felt rather sinister
It is heartbreaking for me. My family is steeped in Labour history. My great great grandfather worked in the Yorkshire mills and campaigned to stop child labour there. Yet I now feel unable to vote for Labour because they are betraying women in such a wholesale and callous way. There must be many left wing women who feel the same way. We also ran the offices, picked up the phones, put leaflets through doors but my letter to my CLP about women’s rights goes unanswered. The only conclusion I can draw is that they just don’t care.
Glad to see this raised. As a socialist & a feminist I don’t trust the Telegraph further than I could kick it, but if it’s the only place I can read about this stuff, I will.
One of the reasons I love Glinner & you all is that the only agenda I can discern here is to establish what’s going on and tell us about it as clearly as possible.
It worries me very much how willing the right are to use it as a wedge issue - I’ve seen Eddie Izzard’s image used on social media before the last two elections as a “look at this ‘son of the working class’ who represents everything bad about Labour” take that.
It also worries me how willing some on the left are willing to say “if it’s in the Telegraph it can’t be true & you mustn’t even be looking at that right wing stuff”.
It’s a proper dropped pie.
Anyway, I’ve got to get back to being “schooled” on Facebook by a bunch of rugrats.
Yes that’s right women and children do not have equal rights or specific to their sex or age based needs under male domination and oppression anywhere. In NZ I note right wing politicians are siloing off women’s sports rather than the whole “shebang” of failures under successive Governments and utter failures of homoerotic machismo bs under Labour here to address women’s representation and legal and human rights with their tokenism and performative sops to women. Same old same old.
Thank you for this. I ditched the misogynistic Guardian years ago, and took a Telegraph subscription after Suzanne Moore started writing for them . They allow me to speak the reality that men aren't women, which is far more than any of the so called left wing media do. The left no longer exists as a party for the working class. It remains to be seen if they can cut out their own cancerous misogyny, or if they're dead and buried.
It's the political class in a nutshell : Cowardice. It's why Bozza the Bullshitter ™ gets away with so much, er, bullshit.
There are many blue-collar right-wingers ... but few blue-collar Tories. It's why the chattering classes were shocked by Brexit and Trump. Trump's a slightly different phenomenon so we'll park that one but Brexit is the *perfect* illustration of the void between politicians and the working-class public; and why it was only the Westminster bubble that was "shocked" by the result (and why the entitled shitheads thought they could thwart it in the courts)
Same for the gender bollocks. It's only the sneering, condescending metropolitans and MPs of all colours who are on-board with the shit show; the populace want no part of the car crash regardless of their political hue.
I wrote to local Tory MSP before the May elections. Got a couple of wishy washy replies from his admin and nothing since I asked what definition of woman he was using. I even pointed out the Conservatives in Scotland have never been able to get any traction now they're staring at an open goal. One did talk about men in women's prisons though on a radio discussion.
The problem for me is that this is a mistaken example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". That formulation is always wrong - the best that can ever be said is that the enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. I have spent too many years on thus planet fighting the Right to embrace them just because they MAY align with me on this point, important as it is. I might stand alongside them with a peg on my nose whilst wearing an NBC suit, but I can never do anything to show approval of them because their very existence is anathema to me.
Yes, I've been thinking for a while how much the Right is involved in this. One might sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I read someone's post showing some evidence that republican billionaires in the USA are bankrolling the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture puberty blockers. The left embrace something funded by the right and are falling foul of the "it's the left and their identity politics that are driving this".
It's a trap that they walk into.
Over in the UK the Tory party has its own trans activist MPs. Penny Mordaunt, Alicia Kearns and Caroline Noakes to name a few. Not forgetting Crispin Blunt who...thanks to my Hansard research for another project, used to argue against gay rights in the 90s, on the grounds it was legitimising predators(!)
People are saying they will vote Tory over this issue...but the cancer is there, too.
The Right, whatever they might have been once, are utterly amoral now. The only principle they have is to acquire more wealth and power by any means available. If you want to understand the moral philosophy of the Right today, look at the Mafia.
I've always been on the Left-ish, but there are some ideas that used to be associated with the (Liberal) Right I admired: personal freedom, personal responsibility, strong defence, an appreciation of the benefits of institutions (as well as their faults), evolution over revolution, an awareness of the dangers of an over-mighty state. The times when the Right paid anything more than lip-service to most of those ideas seems long gone, certainly here and the US.
So what the Right won't see is a terrible wrong being done that must be corrected. What they will see is an opportunity to further their own interests. They've been quiet about Gender lunacy because they feel no need to be noisy about it. Brexit hasn't bitten yet, Johnson is being given credit for the great work of the NHS and awareness of his failures is being carefully managed by the Tory press and the nobbled BBC. They're banking receipts ready for when the polls turn and elections approach.
The Prog/Lib/Left have obligingly provided so much ammunition that the Tories can, for once, win an election by telling the truth. I don't know where the parties are getting their advice from. Obviously they don't actually believe the woo - no one does - so they must think there are votes in it. But why? Whenever regular people learn the true horror of Gender Ideology - not the stunning, brave bullshit in the media - they are utterly repelled by it. Who told them that voters would approve? Why did they believe them?
But cynical vote-chasing aside, everyone here knows how regressive Gender Ideology is. It's not compatible with progressive, liberal values. Its victims are the vulnerable: drugged, carved up, exploited for profit, its activists and advocates as brutal, authoritarian and impermeable to reason as any fascist. So they haven't bothered to check, or the buzz of belonging and the lure of increased status are stronger than the principles they claim to hold. Whichever, it's a terrible indictment of people and organisations who take it for granted that they're a compassionate force for good, and expect others to take it for granted too.
I heard on the news today in the land of the septics, bills being debated in their parliament where the incumbents reference 'birthing person'...
So the focus is on the language used rather than what the legislative change is about.