I've read stuff about Chris over the last couple of years, and I have come to the (inexpert) opinion that autism overlays a personality, it does not create a whole personality. Chris has always been selfish and pushed his sexual desires on women who clearly say they don't want it. He drew a picture of himself raping a female friend back in his early 20s. He has written about being turned on by using the women's toilets. He has also hired a prostitute.
None of that is typical of autism. It is 100 per cent male entitlement and narcissism. Taken on its own, any of that could be from a man without autism. Can you imagine an autistic woman doing any of this?
Autism is a smaller part of this picture than many think it is. It definitely made him more vulnerable to trolls, but ultimately this is the same old tale of a man who feels so entitled to women's bodies that he does something hideous, because he doesn't see women as people.
Yes, this is a man with a horrible personality. He didn't do what he did because he was autistic.
But his autism and lack of RL support played a HUGE part in how susceptible he was to trolls and the trolling is a huge part of this picture.
I'm ploughing through the youtube documentary series, up to part 16 (which has just been removed for some reason) and the Liquid Chris stuff. In terms of abuse, this is as bad as the disgusting things he has been persuaded to do on camera IMO. A man does a poor impression of him over months of YT videos and says he's the real Chris and that Chris is an imposter - and every single person Chris knows, aside from his parents, plays along with this ruse and pretends they also believe that Liquid Chris is the real Chris and that Chris is the imposter. And Chris has nobody to give him a reality check and say 'obviously this is nonsense, just ignore them'. Because he's autistic he struggles to understand the ulterior motives of all these people who pretend to be his friends but who say they believe the other Chris is the real one. So he invests loads and loads of effort into trying to convince people that he is the real Chris and they all just continue to wind him up and watch him go, because they are immature and cruel and it amuses them - and because it's so very easy. This is gaslighting on an industrial scale and the aim seems to have been to destroy Chris's mind for fun.
They could just as easily have done this to another austitic person who happened not to be an a-hole and it would have been every bit as cruel and harmful.
I'm up to 2009 and I gather there's worse to come. One huge factor in all this is that Chris was an early adopter of the internet and social media. Ordinary people didn't start going online until the late 90's and 'web 2.0' - social media, user generated content, sharing across platforms etc. - didn't get going until around 2005. If his parents were online at all then they would have been sending emails and looking up information on static websites. He had nobody older and wiser to guide him through what was then a kind of wild west.
CWC is a horrible man with huge amounts of narcissism and male entitlement. I don't believe he would have been such a DANGEROUS horrible man if it had not been for the unique clusterf* of organised long-term trolling, his autism making that very easy, lack of RL support and encountering the internet at a specific point in history.
CWC is 100% responsible for his crimes.
His trolls are 100% responsible for their actions and I hope that some of those actions are crimes so they can be brought to justice.
Whatever passes for support services in the US or the State of Virginia is 100% responsible for its failures.
Thank you for your insight. I don’t have enough understanding of autism to make an informed judgement on how much this condition influences behavior. Your point of view is particularly helpful and I appreciate that you shared it.
'Autism is a smaller part of this picture than many think it is.' I hope you are suggesting it's a smaller part of the Chris Chan picture, rather than the larger pictures of transgenderism, with which for multiple reasons autistic persons have observably proven disproportionately vulnerable to becoming entangled.
I am so glad you covered this. You are absolutely right, those who encouraged him should be charged as well, they are disgusting human beings, too. He is responsible for his actions, but they need to be responsible for theirs, as well - as do the online outlets that allowed this criminal behavior to be openly cheered on
Have you seen the comments online from trolls/gender ideologists or whoever they are blaming lesbians for him raping his mother? Seems if the poor man, who thinks he's a woman of course, had been able to have sex with 'other lesbians' then this would never have happened. All because lesbians don't do dick. Always women's fault, huh?
I thought that was a parody? A parody in poor taste perhaps but a parody nonetheless. Unless you're saying someone other than the parody I'm referencing said that shit and *actually* meant it? Which, tbf, wouldn't be too far of a stretch for trans occultists.
I lost track some time ago about what's a parody - I just can't tell. Rather like being presented with two 6'4" beardy blokes, only one's a 'woman'. How can you tell?
Chris Chan has been extensively documented for years. There is nothing to be done. There is no-one to call. If there was, concerned people would have done it a decade ago or more. In 2018 he was deliberately manipulated by internet trolls who convinced him that they could destroy the fantasy town of which he is the mayor. The owner of Kiwi Farms intervened to help him on that occasion, but he is not mentally incompetent, and cannot be sectioned or restrained. He also has a history of violent assault. The recent trolls that you describe approving of his actions were 20 year old college students who decided to mess with him for internet fame- dozens have done the same over the years.
Incidentally, Kiwi Farms exists to document internet personalities and they highly discourage contacting any of them. I would not toss them on the same pile as random 'internet trolls' considering they preserve the receipts of the misdeeds of many, many, trans individuals which are regularly scrubbed from the rest of the internet by idealogues.
I was somewhat uncomfortable with Jennifer naming Kiwi Farms as they have been so impressive in collecting receipts on some very dangerous people, but she is more familiar with the site than I am. I think Kiwi Farms does amazing work but it's not useful as a resource because some of the comments are so grotesque that it just looks like Stormfront or something. They should do a spin off site, properly moderated for hate speech, and show people what they have. It would be like the Wikileaks of the trans scandal.
I used to be in favour of censoring 'hate speech', until this whole trans fiasco. Correctly sexing a man who wants to be a woman quickly became hate speech. Saying that men can't become women became hate speech. Telling a healthy young woman not to chop off her breasts became hate speech. Now I think you should be allowed to say anything you want. Kiwi farms is what happens when you do that... and if you have to wade through some words that 'nice' people will not say and some sentiments that make your stomach churn.... now, I would rather do that than give anyone the power to arbitrate what is and what isn't 'hate speech'.
Yes, I am now wary of the whole drive to censor speech on the basis of "hate". See how that turned out for gendercritical lesbians with best political crredentials. They are traduced as Qanon haters for speaking out. It is the slippery slope that really turned out to be true.
Kiwi Farms started out as CWCKi Forums. CWCKi is Internet shorthand for Christian Weston Chandler, aka Chris Chan. The forums originally existed to document the early trolling of Chris.
That said, the site has evolved considerably since then. No one is saying the work done on there, documenting interesting and controversial people online isn't valuable. The owner's commitment to free speech and keeping the site online is important, especially in today's climate of Internet censorship elsewhere. However none of this changes history.
They see themselves as not trolls because they only document stuff and 'don't touch the poo' but when so much of the trolling is keeping terrible things online, which are there as a result of trolling in the first place, I'm not sure where the line is or if there even is a line.
I don't believe there is nothing that could have been done over all these years. If the law is so weak that it cannot safeguard vulnerable adults, and the communities in which they live, then the law needs changing. That's something that could have been done. That's boring and tedious work though and not half as much fun as laughing at CWC's latest antics.
You can't arrest or otherwise restrain people because they are likely to commit a crime in the future. Nor can you give someone mental health help if they don't want it. I can't imagine what kind of law you think would have helped, save something extremely draconian that would devastate civil liberties.
In the UK you can give someone mental health help if they don't want it. There are strict criteria but people can be sectioned under the mental health act.
I have just read a fascinating blog post from Andy Wightman on why he resigned from the Scottish Green Party. It is worth reading: http://www.andywightman.com/archives/4634
Another indication that environmentalism can be trumped by transgenderism. I'm really beginning to see trans as a worldwide conspiracy against women and genuine social/environmental activism.
He was behaving in sexually inappropriate ways long before the trolls. Apparently he was assessed as needing special education which may have helped him develop boundaries but his parents refused....which I understand to some extent. He is also highly racist and homophobic. He had enough cognitive ability to go through mainstream education and drive. Fred West had an IQ of 84 that did not make him any less culpable or dangerous. What they did was disgusting but it unlikely it was the root cause.
What is wrong with the US system? If this was the UK and a child was assessed as needing specialist help and the parents said no, social services would not just say, 'Oh, OK then,' and close the file.
I don't think he would. He would still have been a horrible man with no boundaries and a very bad attitude towards women but without a whole bunch of trolls egging him on and convincing him his perversions were normal I don't think he'd have gone there.
How do you know he's a paedophile, for that's what you are claiming. Do you have a link to any court case, please? Also, I've no idea who Alan Driscoll is either.
Thanks for the intel JA, I hadn't heard of Chris Chan till the last couple of days.
I spend so much time on philosophical questions nowadays through social media, it was surrogacy the day before, yesterday was prisons, today is autism and crime.
Was it the case that the village idiot was more catered for in the days when there was some manual work to fill up their time, everyone knew who they were, and taught their kids to be wary and sympathetic to them as humans?
I appreciate your talking about how we treat people in the richest country on earth. This man should not be in prison unless you think him being raped is a good idea; he needs to be in a sheltered, lockdown environment with strict rules and expectations.
It’s shocking and so many failures to digest. It is sad though that children (and others) with mental confusions or hormonal anguish are also being taken advantage of in a similar way, but by groups and figures pertaining to be responsible. Is online trolling much removed from basic trans activism? It’s certainly a conversation.
I will preface this by saying I am autistic...
I've read stuff about Chris over the last couple of years, and I have come to the (inexpert) opinion that autism overlays a personality, it does not create a whole personality. Chris has always been selfish and pushed his sexual desires on women who clearly say they don't want it. He drew a picture of himself raping a female friend back in his early 20s. He has written about being turned on by using the women's toilets. He has also hired a prostitute.
None of that is typical of autism. It is 100 per cent male entitlement and narcissism. Taken on its own, any of that could be from a man without autism. Can you imagine an autistic woman doing any of this?
Autism is a smaller part of this picture than many think it is. It definitely made him more vulnerable to trolls, but ultimately this is the same old tale of a man who feels so entitled to women's bodies that he does something hideous, because he doesn't see women as people.
Caveat that I don't think all men are like this.
Yes, this is a man with a horrible personality. He didn't do what he did because he was autistic.
But his autism and lack of RL support played a HUGE part in how susceptible he was to trolls and the trolling is a huge part of this picture.
I'm ploughing through the youtube documentary series, up to part 16 (which has just been removed for some reason) and the Liquid Chris stuff. In terms of abuse, this is as bad as the disgusting things he has been persuaded to do on camera IMO. A man does a poor impression of him over months of YT videos and says he's the real Chris and that Chris is an imposter - and every single person Chris knows, aside from his parents, plays along with this ruse and pretends they also believe that Liquid Chris is the real Chris and that Chris is the imposter. And Chris has nobody to give him a reality check and say 'obviously this is nonsense, just ignore them'. Because he's autistic he struggles to understand the ulterior motives of all these people who pretend to be his friends but who say they believe the other Chris is the real one. So he invests loads and loads of effort into trying to convince people that he is the real Chris and they all just continue to wind him up and watch him go, because they are immature and cruel and it amuses them - and because it's so very easy. This is gaslighting on an industrial scale and the aim seems to have been to destroy Chris's mind for fun.
They could just as easily have done this to another austitic person who happened not to be an a-hole and it would have been every bit as cruel and harmful.
I'm up to 2009 and I gather there's worse to come. One huge factor in all this is that Chris was an early adopter of the internet and social media. Ordinary people didn't start going online until the late 90's and 'web 2.0' - social media, user generated content, sharing across platforms etc. - didn't get going until around 2005. If his parents were online at all then they would have been sending emails and looking up information on static websites. He had nobody older and wiser to guide him through what was then a kind of wild west.
CWC is a horrible man with huge amounts of narcissism and male entitlement. I don't believe he would have been such a DANGEROUS horrible man if it had not been for the unique clusterf* of organised long-term trolling, his autism making that very easy, lack of RL support and encountering the internet at a specific point in history.
CWC is 100% responsible for his crimes.
His trolls are 100% responsible for their actions and I hope that some of those actions are crimes so they can be brought to justice.
Whatever passes for support services in the US or the State of Virginia is 100% responsible for its failures.
Thank you for your insight. I don’t have enough understanding of autism to make an informed judgement on how much this condition influences behavior. Your point of view is particularly helpful and I appreciate that you shared it.
'Autism is a smaller part of this picture than many think it is.' I hope you are suggesting it's a smaller part of the Chris Chan picture, rather than the larger pictures of transgenderism, with which for multiple reasons autistic persons have observably proven disproportionately vulnerable to becoming entangled.
I am so glad you covered this. You are absolutely right, those who encouraged him should be charged as well, they are disgusting human beings, too. He is responsible for his actions, but they need to be responsible for theirs, as well - as do the online outlets that allowed this criminal behavior to be openly cheered on
Have you seen the comments online from trolls/gender ideologists or whoever they are blaming lesbians for him raping his mother? Seems if the poor man, who thinks he's a woman of course, had been able to have sex with 'other lesbians' then this would never have happened. All because lesbians don't do dick. Always women's fault, huh?
"If only a lesbian let him rape her he wouldn't have done this" is about the shittiest take I've ever heard.
And, as always, Keith Farnish Is A Nonce.
Yes, completely and utterly shitty. Are we surprised?
Oh, and his mother led him on, the Jezebel.
Those octogenarians - bunch of sluts.
I thought that was a parody? A parody in poor taste perhaps but a parody nonetheless. Unless you're saying someone other than the parody I'm referencing said that shit and *actually* meant it? Which, tbf, wouldn't be too far of a stretch for trans occultists.
When someone starts talking about raping lesbians - indeed, women - it's no longer parody.
I lost track some time ago about what's a parody - I just can't tell. Rather like being presented with two 6'4" beardy blokes, only one's a 'woman'. How can you tell?
Precisely.
Are we talking about the Trans History Month thing or something else?
Trans History Month.
Chris Chan has been extensively documented for years. There is nothing to be done. There is no-one to call. If there was, concerned people would have done it a decade ago or more. In 2018 he was deliberately manipulated by internet trolls who convinced him that they could destroy the fantasy town of which he is the mayor. The owner of Kiwi Farms intervened to help him on that occasion, but he is not mentally incompetent, and cannot be sectioned or restrained. He also has a history of violent assault. The recent trolls that you describe approving of his actions were 20 year old college students who decided to mess with him for internet fame- dozens have done the same over the years.
Incidentally, Kiwi Farms exists to document internet personalities and they highly discourage contacting any of them. I would not toss them on the same pile as random 'internet trolls' considering they preserve the receipts of the misdeeds of many, many, trans individuals which are regularly scrubbed from the rest of the internet by idealogues.
I was somewhat uncomfortable with Jennifer naming Kiwi Farms as they have been so impressive in collecting receipts on some very dangerous people, but she is more familiar with the site than I am. I think Kiwi Farms does amazing work but it's not useful as a resource because some of the comments are so grotesque that it just looks like Stormfront or something. They should do a spin off site, properly moderated for hate speech, and show people what they have. It would be like the Wikileaks of the trans scandal.
I used to be in favour of censoring 'hate speech', until this whole trans fiasco. Correctly sexing a man who wants to be a woman quickly became hate speech. Saying that men can't become women became hate speech. Telling a healthy young woman not to chop off her breasts became hate speech. Now I think you should be allowed to say anything you want. Kiwi farms is what happens when you do that... and if you have to wade through some words that 'nice' people will not say and some sentiments that make your stomach churn.... now, I would rather do that than give anyone the power to arbitrate what is and what isn't 'hate speech'.
Yes, I am now wary of the whole drive to censor speech on the basis of "hate". See how that turned out for gendercritical lesbians with best political crredentials. They are traduced as Qanon haters for speaking out. It is the slippery slope that really turned out to be true.
Kiwi Farms started out as CWCKi Forums. CWCKi is Internet shorthand for Christian Weston Chandler, aka Chris Chan. The forums originally existed to document the early trolling of Chris.
That said, the site has evolved considerably since then. No one is saying the work done on there, documenting interesting and controversial people online isn't valuable. The owner's commitment to free speech and keeping the site online is important, especially in today's climate of Internet censorship elsewhere. However none of this changes history.
They see themselves as not trolls because they only document stuff and 'don't touch the poo' but when so much of the trolling is keeping terrible things online, which are there as a result of trolling in the first place, I'm not sure where the line is or if there even is a line.
I don't believe there is nothing that could have been done over all these years. If the law is so weak that it cannot safeguard vulnerable adults, and the communities in which they live, then the law needs changing. That's something that could have been done. That's boring and tedious work though and not half as much fun as laughing at CWC's latest antics.
You can't arrest or otherwise restrain people because they are likely to commit a crime in the future. Nor can you give someone mental health help if they don't want it. I can't imagine what kind of law you think would have helped, save something extremely draconian that would devastate civil liberties.
In the UK you can give someone mental health help if they don't want it. There are strict criteria but people can be sectioned under the mental health act.
https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-rights/sectioning/about-sectioning/
I have just read a fascinating blog post from Andy Wightman on why he resigned from the Scottish Green Party. It is worth reading: http://www.andywightman.com/archives/4634
Another indication that environmentalism can be trumped by transgenderism. I'm really beginning to see trans as a worldwide conspiracy against women and genuine social/environmental activism.
It is certainly sad to see environmental and social justice activist Helen Steel being castigated for defending women’s rights.
Thanks for the link. Such a shame that Wightman is no longer present at Holyrood.
He was behaving in sexually inappropriate ways long before the trolls. Apparently he was assessed as needing special education which may have helped him develop boundaries but his parents refused....which I understand to some extent. He is also highly racist and homophobic. He had enough cognitive ability to go through mainstream education and drive. Fred West had an IQ of 84 that did not make him any less culpable or dangerous. What they did was disgusting but it unlikely it was the root cause.
What is wrong with the US system? If this was the UK and a child was assessed as needing specialist help and the parents said no, social services would not just say, 'Oh, OK then,' and close the file.
That's just it - even without the trolling he still would have raped his mother because he's got exactly sweet fuck all for boundaries.
Oh...and Keith Farnish Is A Nonce.
I don't think he would. He would still have been a horrible man with no boundaries and a very bad attitude towards women but without a whole bunch of trolls egging him on and convincing him his perversions were normal I don't think he'd have gone there.
Dare I ask who Keith Farnish is?
Sure.
He's a nonce who issued a veiled threat at me on Facebook the other day because of one Alan Driscoll over something I posted here.
How do you know he's a paedophile, for that's what you are claiming. Do you have a link to any court case, please? Also, I've no idea who Alan Driscoll is either.
See for yourself:
https://twitter.com/alandriscoll
See what? Which tweet are you referring to?
None. I just want the ambience that is Alan Driscoll to wash over you.
I have a good faith belief that he is having witnessed him cape for other paedophiles.
Thanks for the intel JA, I hadn't heard of Chris Chan till the last couple of days.
I spend so much time on philosophical questions nowadays through social media, it was surrogacy the day before, yesterday was prisons, today is autism and crime.
Was it the case that the village idiot was more catered for in the days when there was some manual work to fill up their time, everyone knew who they were, and taught their kids to be wary and sympathetic to them as humans?
Horrible all round.
I appreciate your talking about how we treat people in the richest country on earth. This man should not be in prison unless you think him being raped is a good idea; he needs to be in a sheltered, lockdown environment with strict rules and expectations.
Seems to easy to blame mental health issues, imho. It's actually a libel on people suffering from it.
Yes, he's mentally ill. There's also a big chunk of evil in his make-up. Although, tbf, you're right about the cheerleaders encouraging the depravity.
Oh, and Alan Driscoll Is A Nonce.
Because he's trolling this site for his Daily Outrage.
I knew nothing of him before the latest horror- but thank you for background. This is the real story that we all need to hear as a society. Thank you.
It’s shocking and so many failures to digest. It is sad though that children (and others) with mental confusions or hormonal anguish are also being taken advantage of in a similar way, but by groups and figures pertaining to be responsible. Is online trolling much removed from basic trans activism? It’s certainly a conversation.
I don't currently have the link, but studies were done of trolls which found clear sociopathic tendencies. Sounds like TRAs to me.
What's the possibility that kiwi farms is a pharma op?