The ‘real revenge of the nerds’ — good one. The ‘Harriets’ of the world are moderating public discourse. What the hell is going on, and how has this happened? In a sane world, these creepy, authoritarian, smug boys who are afraid to become men would not be allowed to wield any power. Wannabe women who hate women. And the ‘woke’ is off the scale. Acknowledging the vulnerability of autistic children is ‘ableist’? Absurdity piled upon absurdity.
"Acknowledging the vulnerability of autistic children is ‘ableist’? "
THIS is the bit that got me too. Understanding the nuances of autistic people in order to safeguard them is now discrimination? Just like the Tavistock though isn't it, it's transphobic to want to safeguard any child heading for the gender abbatoir. I suppose highlighting how gay children are statistically more vulnerable to gender ideology is homophobic? We should just be quiet then and allow the little lambs to slaughter? Erm, NO! We will NOT be silenced.
Yes, this is "absurdity Jenga." Let's keep pulling out the pieces and hoping this thing falls to sh*t!
Hear, hear! Love 'absurdity jenga'. They do this by rote now - fling out horrified accusations of something '-ist' and '-ic' and sit back smugly while imperiously working hard to save 'their community' from being under 'attack'. Vulnerability is strength, strength is vulnerability. They are too young, too poorly educated, too selfish and too naive to realise the historical or cultural relevance of how this unfolds, and how fascistic their actions are. They're jumping in gaps. They're lacking in real awareness and social skills. I'll go out on a limb here to say risk levels for this particular form of domestic terrorism are on a par if not higher than others now. We have focus, planning, resources and mitigations for other forms, but this seems to be trolling us all with no real official monitoring or action. It's rotting everything. We need to know as a society that this is being addressed - it's everywhere - schools, hospitals, workplaces, online, offline. They attack all the political spectrum and all beliefs. Social groups and actual real life communities. Violence to prevent others speaking or meeting. Dirty protests. These activist men (mostly men) are lunatics. No one can 'do' anything as it's public/private or private/public. It's only courts where this is being tested and shown for the fraudulent and aggressive ideology it is, that is wreaking havoc in all our lives. It's wrecking people's mental health. It's taking up too much time, energy and attention for such a small group of devious little shits.
It seems to be very many relatively young (teens/20sish), say under 40 men with some grudge, obvious instability if not full-blown mental health issues, time, isolation despite screaming about 'community', access to tech and too many looking the other way and shrugging. Then a bunch of supportive incel woke bros/gals/hangers on in their 30s/40s+ promoting this and trying to look good defending it. Then a strange type of unstable woman, often with trans friends or children, also keen to not be left out, to 'represent the community' chiming in with their bullying salvos. Anyone asking what's going on, or daring to ask specific questions or seek answers is by nature 'transphobic'. Then they remove/destroy someone's family/life/career/income/membership of any organisation and pat themselves on the back for protecting the 'cause'.
Absolutely. Well put! I haven't seen such a divisive movement in my life. I came across Gay against Groomers on Twitter tonight. Really cheered me up. Quite honestly, my feeling on getting the rest of society to turn on this (and institutions will follow if we kick up enough of a stink), is to show them that lots of LGB people are against the QT+. Maybe even most, once they realise what is going on!? Right now, everyone still thinks that LGBTQ+ is one big, happy family. Lots of people would think twice if they could see how much this was hurting LGB people. And that lots of LGB people don't find a drag queen representative of them (as if this information might be shocking... crazy!) Lesbians find drag queens particularly offensive, am I right? Yet the public are so brainwashed, they jump on board with it all. It's a middle class heterosexual delusion, to imagine they know how LGB people want to be represented. I don't judge them (well maybe a little) but I would like them to think just a little harder about ordinary people.
The arrogance of the whole QT+ is unreal. I mean, how is a drag queen reading stories going to "help" a boy who may go on to be gay, if that child is a particularly shy/reserved person and/or if that child isn't particularly non-conforming? Is it helping? Who is it helping? And how? Those questions still haven't been addressed.
I really believe this is key, showing the split. People right now think they have to either choose the rainbow (nice person) or no rainbow (homophobic bigot). Hopefully fractures in LGBT will allow people to choose a side that is based in reality but is also explicitly not homophobic.
I'm trying to listen and read as much as I can to figure this out. I can't remember who it was saying he didn't mind drag and explained that it's a mockery of stereotypes. Trouble is, it may have been (it did used to be) but not sure this current iteration and too many of these unhinged 'activists' see or appreciate the rather esoteric and subtle differences in a man dressing as a pornified portrayal of women to mock gender stereotypes (oooh isn't it clever, isn't it wry, aren't they poking fun at the establishment and sex roles) and men dressing like it to mock and LARP as women. To then say they're embracing womanhood and fighting for inclusion/anti whatever/children's literacy and rights is a meta irony too far and I'm not buying it.
I'm not really up on drag culture, I'll admit that. I don't think it's for children, or suitable for libraries ever, I'll make that clear. But in an adult context, it wouldn't bother me if the political climate was different. I can't help but feel like this current bloke doing a tour of libraries is smiling and waving in the face of women's disappearing rights, laughing about the sexualisation of children and the power of gender ideology. And he's got it perfectly sown up by having this supposedly moral battle with right wingers outside, where of course he is the angel and they are the devil. My friend thinks he's great and that it's all a bit of fun (she works in libraries). And I just see a grown man getting access to children being vehemently defended by woke adults. He's laughing at us, all of us.
I totally agree with you. I can take drag for a bit of a laugh, I'm not mad about it (I'm definitely not now) but if it hadn't been swept in by political activists with an agenda, maybe I'd be more light-hearted. This isn't just for play though, there's a clear agenda here and so many people can't see that.
It's good that he's standing with Christian. But this is where it is so confusing: 'Wesbound' as screenshot quote above seemed to throw JKR and Graham (the two Christian quoted that provoked this backlash) under the bus by writing '...he quoted questionable other proponents for his statement, who seem to have made a name with some rather toxic and discriminatory statements.'
So without knowing what they did he is calling them that? Why are they questionable other proponents? They made their names as the professionals that they are, and haven't made toxic and discriminatory statements. They are accused of a lot but it's baseless. When you don't know, why the need to cast aspersions on others?
And yet if the sentiment of that thoughtless, and intentionally dishonest, comment was pointed in the other direction... well, as is all too evident, you get instant BS (Banning and Shaming).
I doubt that he has any knowledge of what Graham and JKR have said.
The "seem to" was obviously judged not accepting enough of the approved narrative, ie. should have been "who have undoubtedly/certainly/definitely" etc.
He might have been expressing guarded reservations by "seem to", rather than agreement?
Sure. Ok, in that case he's hedging there, but why does he also write they are 'questionable' not only writing they then 'seem'. Questionable? He's picking his guarded reservations a bit usefully. It's like the favourite TRA line of deciding something is 'problematic' and therefore seeking to remove or ban it.
He stated very clearly - that 'he (Christian) quoted questionable other proponents'. If he is unaware of those 'proponents' which is also a weighted way of saying people, as it infers they are pushing something, why did he plump for questionable?
As they haven't said anything toxic that also might be why he's unaware of any such non-existent statements. They possibly 'seem' like that to him as TRAs have been hurling threats at them and getting the police to visit at least one of them for years now. He may be unaware of the onslaught of unsubstantiated accusations and death threats they and others face. Looking at all he wrote he was keen to defend one person and much less so those two others. And isn't up to speed, yet still happily wrote an unfavourable impression he'd picked up of them. Possibly. Whatever. If he wasn't sure, didn't know and wasn't aware of it that seems a bit incautious to have picked 'seem' when wrestling in a pit of snakes. Seem to who about what? Those nutcases and the mod also attacking Christian?
What he said was not good enough for the trans activist purists so they threw him under the bus.
Perhaps that has taught him a lesson? I hope he learns from it that nothing but absolute fealty at the first opportunity is acceptable - because if he tries to crawl back into favour this black mark will still always be held against him.
This blew up out of nowhere and nearly 1,000 members (IIRC) of the Discord said nothing. He at least had the courage to say something, going against the mods and the fanatics, politely and questioningly rather than directly disputing, and still he paid the price.
What he questioned was what he knew about, ie. Christian's statements, so he had a perspective on it.
It sounded to me as if he was dipping his toe into these waters for the first time, was not prepared to reject his own perspective and accept theirs unquestioningly but also did not realise that they would be so depraved as to be telling outright lies about other people.
I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he now decides to find out for himself what Graham and JKR are all about.
omg, just read ‘Harriet’s statement that the "aftershock’ [ffs] of Christian’s tweet is a grown man dealing with the consequences of his actions’"
Smarmy little twerp. How dare he pontificate? Christian is a grown man protecting his child. A grown man. Something ‘Harriet’ is afraid to be, and by the looks of it, will never achieve.
I'm sick of the 'ableist' angle from these people on the autism subject, because we autistic people ARE vulnerable to this ideology, because we are prone to fixation and obsessions with concepts and if an autistic person gets obsessed with gender identity, they're in trouble. I say that as a 'high-functioning' one. (I know some autism activists hate that term, but I don't, I use functioning labels and it's tough shit if they don't like it!)
I know if I'd been exposed to this stuff when I was entering my teens at the turn of the century, then I'd be a damaged trans man by now, because back then, I was undiagnosed and looking for answers as to why I felt different to most other kids. I am glad Henson spoke out for autistic children. If they're/we're not vulnerable, and prone to obsessions and discomfort, then why were so many coming to the Tavistock? And even adults are at risk, with my friend's autistic husband claiming to be a woman in his mid-30s.
This was so agonizing to read - because we have seen this same damn bullshit happen in every Facebook group, discord, hobby forums, you name it. The same damn thing every time. Villainize someone for no reason for supporting someone who has been villainized for no reason with zero room for reasonable discussion and ZERO “receipts” of the crimes the villain is supposed to have done. It’s like everyone’s minds have turned to porridge.
Exactly. They know where the ‘jobs’ with ‘power’ are. They are where no-one really has time for them, like moderation, and they scoop up that opportunity with glee knowing full well that they then have control of the conversation. Their dream to gag people up has come true. All under the guise of ‘helpful little ol’ me, doing the job no-one really wants, aren’t I great’. And these eejits lap it up. I bet of the 1000+ members of that server there are hundreds of people desperate to say the sane thing in their head but in reality fear the consequenses.
Thank you doodlewhale - you're brave to stick your head above the parapet. I hope you are restored to where you were removed from if you still want to be on those sites.
I'm sure there are many people who want to do what you did but can't let themselves. They don't want to be harangued, branded and banished by toxic, inadequate bullies who are having fun and feeling good about themselves, because bigger bullies and useful idiots have given them a role where they have power over others.
Remaining silent, for fear of what the consequences might be if we use our voices to oppose such tyrannical behaviour, will only result in increasingly greater tyrannies. It's what's happening, we're in the process of it. There is resistance but there needs to be more, and it needs to be as tireless as what it's up against.
Totally. I think this really shows that power and good PR comes before children's safety. How appalling. I'd really like to think, if I was CH's boss, unless I'd be made homeless as a result, I would stand up and be counted. It's so cowardly how people just fold immediately. Where is the integrity, the conscience?
Absolutely, I agree. It's so sad. It'll take people/companies who have independent wealth to speak out, or at least a decent pot of money to keep them going :(
Companies are going to have to think twice before putting some daft twelve year old in charge of their social media etc.. I think JKR is getting sick of this stuff and now she's responsible for people's deaths apparently. I didn't know Christian was based in Edinburgh- hopefully we'll see him at Holyrood on the 15th
Apparently she and Graham are 'anti-trans activists' and those morons in the threads above are very happy to jump on in to virtue signal by denouncing them as that. Heretic! Heathen! Burn them! I think they are both remarkable people to withstand this onslaught of shite they've been experiencing for years and every minute younger and younger people are being inculcated into the gender religion of hate.
Half way through J.K.R.'s new book. Brilliant and fascinating. She pulls back the curtain on the moderators behind an ultra popular online game -- The Ink Black Heart. Highly recommend.
Just looked at Harriet's Twitter Timeline. Harriet is a Gamer.
Telling outrageous lies ("JKR is an anti-trans activist whose work has hurt and encouraged violence against trans people to the point of murder") and ruining people's lives is a game to them. Zero empathy or conscience. Destroying imaginary enemies to win the game is all.
"Self and Gender: Narcissistic Pathology and Personality Factors in Gender Dysphoric Patients. Preliminary Results of a Prospective Study."
By U. Hartmann, M.D., H. Becker, M.D. and C. Rueffer-Hesse, M.D.
International Journal of Transgenderism, Volume 1, Number 1, July - September 1997
"The results indicate significant psychopathological aspects and narcissistic dysregulation in a substantial proportion of patients."
"Trans' Twitter is THE IRL existing study. "The results indicate significant psychopathological aspects and narcissistic dysregulation in a substantial proportion of 'gender' ideiologues on Twitter."
Reading this is shocking but not. I tried to explain how this happens to someone older and unaware and they can't or won't understand the impact. Thank you for posting it here and I feel sorry for those involved. I am unsure how Christian and his family will deal with this attack and I hope those who've gone through this abuse (like Graham and JKR) can help each other in some way. For those less familiar with online 'discourse' it really does flame up and unravels in seconds and in front of your eyes. If you ignore or leave it, it gets worse, if you try to defend yourself, it gets worse. It's no win. Others get notifications so it continues and grows. Mysterious mods make mysterious decisions with arcane and ever changing rules. People start asking what happened and rumours build on rumours and nasty people leap on that to extend it. You wake up the next day and there are streams of replies, it’s spiralled and then you are blocked or the whole site is shut down. It spreads to other social media and you get banned from more and more. You are hung out to dry and if it hits national press you're at great risk. Like with the TRAs all over Reddit. It's like a drunken punch up on every street corner every half an hour. It gets out of hand astonishingly quickly when some smell blood and go for the forum kill. An old friend in tech always said, never read the bottom half in a half-jokey, half-deadly serious way. I spent some time on forums and saw these nonsense explosions and random bullying then poof it's all gone, threads and profiles disappear and we've become inured as this is normalised. No recourse, no come back, just lick your wounds and try to move on. But we are all encouraged and guided to these places for most elements of life now and you're viewed with suspicion if you don't interact online or try to anonymously.
I thought we'd seen enough of this over a few decades now, but it happens again and again and no one seems to be able to stop it. It's not sticks and stones when it's 24/7, you lose all ability to communicate with others in places online you have created and been a part of. No one can get a clear overview of what actually happened. It's out of your control. It can affect every part of your life and all your 'social' and professional networks. It's seeped in and is real life. Cancelling is real, random and painful. Isolating and lonely. Often utterly unwarranted and like school bullies you need others to see and hear it, then intervene.
Very well explained. I hope you don't mind if I copy it to use on people who are currently stuck in the "Well just don't use social media then you won't see what people are saying" position?
What is so vile is that tech is great - it's made genuine progess, saved lives, and helped people communicate. It is a lifeline for many genuinely marginalised and vulnerable people. They can find their voice and improve their lives. I was checking on a forum earlier - they are live places, reflections of us IRL and can go stale or putrid just like any other social grouping and context. There are so many reaching out for advice/hope/connection/attention/answers or a way to fill empty hours alone or with health conditions and disabilities that isolate them. Then this lot roam the interwebs looking for people to harass and pick off to feel some kind of something to fill their void. And too many are letting them.
Drew: “Christian should not have brought JKR and ‘that other guy’ into the tweet. That was a foolish thing to do”.
Foolish, why? Foolish because it’s impossible to argue with them? Foolish because they’re the ones on the right side of history? Foolish because Drew can’t hold a candle to them? I’d love to hear why Drew thinks mentioning JKR and Glinner was a foolish thing to do.
I don’t know whether the time is right or not, but there must come a point when people who write things like “JKR who is an anti-trans activist whose work has hurt and encouraged violence against
trans people to the point of murder” should face defamation proceedings if they persist with this false nonsense. This is a movement built very much on sand. The more it’s challenged, the more it will fall down.
I’ve been thinking this too. And ditto regarding Graham, Dave Chapelle and Ricky Gervais. None of them transphobes and none of them ever have been. Interesting that Martina doesn’t get more flack for gender-critical opinions. But I used to think that about JKR too before it all kicked off. So maybe it’s coming for MN too at some point but hasn’t yet hit misogyny runaway effect cascade levels yet.
Good to see but with wider coverage and the unhinged who keep fuelling this month to month, he may genuinely need to seek advice from the police and those who can advise him on keeping his family and him safe now. I hope they're getting support. How are we here. It's not the ones screaming about how vulnerable 'their community' are, with their endless made up stats that are at risk.
10 jurors have seen sense at last but EG Marshall is still claiming the evidence shows blockers are safe and reversible despite having no such evidence and Lee J Cobb is angrily pouring bottles of piss on himself in rage.
If you look at Spitfireaudio's 'Head of Web' Jame's Bellamy's Twitter spouting the most extreme anti-Tory hate seems 'good hate' to it's CEO I guess. Retweeting a literal wish of death on Boris Johnson.
But expressing support of Graham Linehan and JKR for their defence of vulnerable children being chemically and surgically mutilated by a child grooming cult, and that is completely out of bounds.
I’m so so tired of these sexist males waving their dicks around whilst good brave men with actual dignity, ethics and spines get castigated. Graham, Christian, “Doodlewhale” and (with mitigations due to unfairly throwing JKR and Glinner under the bus, so only part-credit) Wes, we women see you and you give us hope. These other types of men fill us with despair, but hope is what we need to keep on moving forward. Thank you for that.
This has a similar ‘flavour’ to the Rosie Kay story. Young indoctrinated who spend their entire lives online living in their own virtual world turning on the adults who made their earnings possible. Rosie came out of her battle well in the end. I hope this one will be the same.
The ‘real revenge of the nerds’ — good one. The ‘Harriets’ of the world are moderating public discourse. What the hell is going on, and how has this happened? In a sane world, these creepy, authoritarian, smug boys who are afraid to become men would not be allowed to wield any power. Wannabe women who hate women. And the ‘woke’ is off the scale. Acknowledging the vulnerability of autistic children is ‘ableist’? Absurdity piled upon absurdity.
"Acknowledging the vulnerability of autistic children is ‘ableist’? "
THIS is the bit that got me too. Understanding the nuances of autistic people in order to safeguard them is now discrimination? Just like the Tavistock though isn't it, it's transphobic to want to safeguard any child heading for the gender abbatoir. I suppose highlighting how gay children are statistically more vulnerable to gender ideology is homophobic? We should just be quiet then and allow the little lambs to slaughter? Erm, NO! We will NOT be silenced.
Yes, this is "absurdity Jenga." Let's keep pulling out the pieces and hoping this thing falls to sh*t!
#istandwithjkrowling
#istandwithchristianhensen
#istandwithgrahamlinehan
Hear, hear! Love 'absurdity jenga'. They do this by rote now - fling out horrified accusations of something '-ist' and '-ic' and sit back smugly while imperiously working hard to save 'their community' from being under 'attack'. Vulnerability is strength, strength is vulnerability. They are too young, too poorly educated, too selfish and too naive to realise the historical or cultural relevance of how this unfolds, and how fascistic their actions are. They're jumping in gaps. They're lacking in real awareness and social skills. I'll go out on a limb here to say risk levels for this particular form of domestic terrorism are on a par if not higher than others now. We have focus, planning, resources and mitigations for other forms, but this seems to be trolling us all with no real official monitoring or action. It's rotting everything. We need to know as a society that this is being addressed - it's everywhere - schools, hospitals, workplaces, online, offline. They attack all the political spectrum and all beliefs. Social groups and actual real life communities. Violence to prevent others speaking or meeting. Dirty protests. These activist men (mostly men) are lunatics. No one can 'do' anything as it's public/private or private/public. It's only courts where this is being tested and shown for the fraudulent and aggressive ideology it is, that is wreaking havoc in all our lives. It's wrecking people's mental health. It's taking up too much time, energy and attention for such a small group of devious little shits.
It seems to be very many relatively young (teens/20sish), say under 40 men with some grudge, obvious instability if not full-blown mental health issues, time, isolation despite screaming about 'community', access to tech and too many looking the other way and shrugging. Then a bunch of supportive incel woke bros/gals/hangers on in their 30s/40s+ promoting this and trying to look good defending it. Then a strange type of unstable woman, often with trans friends or children, also keen to not be left out, to 'represent the community' chiming in with their bullying salvos. Anyone asking what's going on, or daring to ask specific questions or seek answers is by nature 'transphobic'. Then they remove/destroy someone's family/life/career/income/membership of any organisation and pat themselves on the back for protecting the 'cause'.
Absolutely. Well put! I haven't seen such a divisive movement in my life. I came across Gay against Groomers on Twitter tonight. Really cheered me up. Quite honestly, my feeling on getting the rest of society to turn on this (and institutions will follow if we kick up enough of a stink), is to show them that lots of LGB people are against the QT+. Maybe even most, once they realise what is going on!? Right now, everyone still thinks that LGBTQ+ is one big, happy family. Lots of people would think twice if they could see how much this was hurting LGB people. And that lots of LGB people don't find a drag queen representative of them (as if this information might be shocking... crazy!) Lesbians find drag queens particularly offensive, am I right? Yet the public are so brainwashed, they jump on board with it all. It's a middle class heterosexual delusion, to imagine they know how LGB people want to be represented. I don't judge them (well maybe a little) but I would like them to think just a little harder about ordinary people.
The arrogance of the whole QT+ is unreal. I mean, how is a drag queen reading stories going to "help" a boy who may go on to be gay, if that child is a particularly shy/reserved person and/or if that child isn't particularly non-conforming? Is it helping? Who is it helping? And how? Those questions still haven't been addressed.
I really believe this is key, showing the split. People right now think they have to either choose the rainbow (nice person) or no rainbow (homophobic bigot). Hopefully fractures in LGBT will allow people to choose a side that is based in reality but is also explicitly not homophobic.
I'm trying to listen and read as much as I can to figure this out. I can't remember who it was saying he didn't mind drag and explained that it's a mockery of stereotypes. Trouble is, it may have been (it did used to be) but not sure this current iteration and too many of these unhinged 'activists' see or appreciate the rather esoteric and subtle differences in a man dressing as a pornified portrayal of women to mock gender stereotypes (oooh isn't it clever, isn't it wry, aren't they poking fun at the establishment and sex roles) and men dressing like it to mock and LARP as women. To then say they're embracing womanhood and fighting for inclusion/anti whatever/children's literacy and rights is a meta irony too far and I'm not buying it.
I'm not really up on drag culture, I'll admit that. I don't think it's for children, or suitable for libraries ever, I'll make that clear. But in an adult context, it wouldn't bother me if the political climate was different. I can't help but feel like this current bloke doing a tour of libraries is smiling and waving in the face of women's disappearing rights, laughing about the sexualisation of children and the power of gender ideology. And he's got it perfectly sown up by having this supposedly moral battle with right wingers outside, where of course he is the angel and they are the devil. My friend thinks he's great and that it's all a bit of fun (she works in libraries). And I just see a grown man getting access to children being vehemently defended by woke adults. He's laughing at us, all of us.
I totally agree with you. I can take drag for a bit of a laugh, I'm not mad about it (I'm definitely not now) but if it hadn't been swept in by political activists with an agenda, maybe I'd be more light-hearted. This isn't just for play though, there's a clear agenda here and so many people can't see that.
Ah! It was Az Hakeem interviewed by Arty Morty.
We need to add to that:
#IStandWIthWesleyComposer
(Heck! Just 58 Followers and he is still tweeting #istandwithchristianhensen ❤️ )
https://twitter.com/WesleyComposer
#IStandWithDoodleWhale
It's good that he's standing with Christian. But this is where it is so confusing: 'Wesbound' as screenshot quote above seemed to throw JKR and Graham (the two Christian quoted that provoked this backlash) under the bus by writing '...he quoted questionable other proponents for his statement, who seem to have made a name with some rather toxic and discriminatory statements.'
So without knowing what they did he is calling them that? Why are they questionable other proponents? They made their names as the professionals that they are, and haven't made toxic and discriminatory statements. They are accused of a lot but it's baseless. When you don't know, why the need to cast aspersions on others?
And yet if the sentiment of that thoughtless, and intentionally dishonest, comment was pointed in the other direction... well, as is all too evident, you get instant BS (Banning and Shaming).
Yeah, that upset me too. I've never seen anything toxic from them.
I doubt that he has any knowledge of what Graham and JKR have said.
The "seem to" was obviously judged not accepting enough of the approved narrative, ie. should have been "who have undoubtedly/certainly/definitely" etc.
He might have been expressing guarded reservations by "seem to", rather than agreement?
Sure. Ok, in that case he's hedging there, but why does he also write they are 'questionable' not only writing they then 'seem'. Questionable? He's picking his guarded reservations a bit usefully. It's like the favourite TRA line of deciding something is 'problematic' and therefore seeking to remove or ban it.
He stated very clearly - that 'he (Christian) quoted questionable other proponents'. If he is unaware of those 'proponents' which is also a weighted way of saying people, as it infers they are pushing something, why did he plump for questionable?
As they haven't said anything toxic that also might be why he's unaware of any such non-existent statements. They possibly 'seem' like that to him as TRAs have been hurling threats at them and getting the police to visit at least one of them for years now. He may be unaware of the onslaught of unsubstantiated accusations and death threats they and others face. Looking at all he wrote he was keen to defend one person and much less so those two others. And isn't up to speed, yet still happily wrote an unfavourable impression he'd picked up of them. Possibly. Whatever. If he wasn't sure, didn't know and wasn't aware of it that seems a bit incautious to have picked 'seem' when wrestling in a pit of snakes. Seem to who about what? Those nutcases and the mod also attacking Christian?
We are both speculating.
What he said was not good enough for the trans activist purists so they threw him under the bus.
Perhaps that has taught him a lesson? I hope he learns from it that nothing but absolute fealty at the first opportunity is acceptable - because if he tries to crawl back into favour this black mark will still always be held against him.
This blew up out of nowhere and nearly 1,000 members (IIRC) of the Discord said nothing. He at least had the courage to say something, going against the mods and the fanatics, politely and questioningly rather than directly disputing, and still he paid the price.
What he questioned was what he knew about, ie. Christian's statements, so he had a perspective on it.
It sounded to me as if he was dipping his toe into these waters for the first time, was not prepared to reject his own perspective and accept theirs unquestioningly but also did not realise that they would be so depraved as to be telling outright lies about other people.
I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he now decides to find out for himself what Graham and JKR are all about.
love it!
Moley! How about an easier graphic task...[trans ideology] Absurdity Jenga!?!?!
omg, just read ‘Harriet’s statement that the "aftershock’ [ffs] of Christian’s tweet is a grown man dealing with the consequences of his actions’"
Smarmy little twerp. How dare he pontificate? Christian is a grown man protecting his child. A grown man. Something ‘Harriet’ is afraid to be, and by the looks of it, will never achieve.
I'm sick of the 'ableist' angle from these people on the autism subject, because we autistic people ARE vulnerable to this ideology, because we are prone to fixation and obsessions with concepts and if an autistic person gets obsessed with gender identity, they're in trouble. I say that as a 'high-functioning' one. (I know some autism activists hate that term, but I don't, I use functioning labels and it's tough shit if they don't like it!)
I know if I'd been exposed to this stuff when I was entering my teens at the turn of the century, then I'd be a damaged trans man by now, because back then, I was undiagnosed and looking for answers as to why I felt different to most other kids. I am glad Henson spoke out for autistic children. If they're/we're not vulnerable, and prone to obsessions and discomfort, then why were so many coming to the Tavistock? And even adults are at risk, with my friend's autistic husband claiming to be a woman in his mid-30s.
Well said. Your voice is hugely important in this!
Thank you
This was so agonizing to read - because we have seen this same damn bullshit happen in every Facebook group, discord, hobby forums, you name it. The same damn thing every time. Villainize someone for no reason for supporting someone who has been villainized for no reason with zero room for reasonable discussion and ZERO “receipts” of the crimes the villain is supposed to have done. It’s like everyone’s minds have turned to porridge.
Exactly. They know where the ‘jobs’ with ‘power’ are. They are where no-one really has time for them, like moderation, and they scoop up that opportunity with glee knowing full well that they then have control of the conversation. Their dream to gag people up has come true. All under the guise of ‘helpful little ol’ me, doing the job no-one really wants, aren’t I great’. And these eejits lap it up. I bet of the 1000+ members of that server there are hundreds of people desperate to say the sane thing in their head but in reality fear the consequenses.
Thank you doodlewhale - you're brave to stick your head above the parapet. I hope you are restored to where you were removed from if you still want to be on those sites.
I'm sure there are many people who want to do what you did but can't let themselves. They don't want to be harangued, branded and banished by toxic, inadequate bullies who are having fun and feeling good about themselves, because bigger bullies and useful idiots have given them a role where they have power over others.
Remaining silent, for fear of what the consequences might be if we use our voices to oppose such tyrannical behaviour, will only result in increasingly greater tyrannies. It's what's happening, we're in the process of it. There is resistance but there needs to be more, and it needs to be as tireless as what it's up against.
Totally. I think this really shows that power and good PR comes before children's safety. How appalling. I'd really like to think, if I was CH's boss, unless I'd be made homeless as a result, I would stand up and be counted. It's so cowardly how people just fold immediately. Where is the integrity, the conscience?
Some people simply can't afford to have integrity or conscience at work.
Absolutely, I agree. It's so sad. It'll take people/companies who have independent wealth to speak out, or at least a decent pot of money to keep them going :(
Companies are going to have to think twice before putting some daft twelve year old in charge of their social media etc.. I think JKR is getting sick of this stuff and now she's responsible for people's deaths apparently. I didn't know Christian was based in Edinburgh- hopefully we'll see him at Holyrood on the 15th
JKR responsible for deaths! Aye Right! ;) More baseless hyperbole! Poooor meeeeeee!
I know. I don't know how she finds the time...
Apparently she and Graham are 'anti-trans activists' and those morons in the threads above are very happy to jump on in to virtue signal by denouncing them as that. Heretic! Heathen! Burn them! I think they are both remarkable people to withstand this onslaught of shite they've been experiencing for years and every minute younger and younger people are being inculcated into the gender religion of hate.
Half way through J.K.R.'s new book. Brilliant and fascinating. She pulls back the curtain on the moderators behind an ultra popular online game -- The Ink Black Heart. Highly recommend.
Thanks for the rec! Ordered.
Love all the Strike series!
Censorship.
100%
Just looked at Harriet's Twitter Timeline. Harriet is a Gamer.
Telling outrageous lies ("JKR is an anti-trans activist whose work has hurt and encouraged violence against trans people to the point of murder") and ruining people's lives is a game to them. Zero empathy or conscience. Destroying imaginary enemies to win the game is all.
"Self and Gender: Narcissistic Pathology and Personality Factors in Gender Dysphoric Patients. Preliminary Results of a Prospective Study."
By U. Hartmann, M.D., H. Becker, M.D. and C. Rueffer-Hesse, M.D.
International Journal of Transgenderism, Volume 1, Number 1, July - September 1997
"The results indicate significant psychopathological aspects and narcissistic dysregulation in a substantial proportion of patients."
https://web.archive.org/web/19991012110350/http://symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0103.htm
"Trans' Twitter is THE IRL existing study. "The results indicate significant psychopathological aspects and narcissistic dysregulation in a substantial proportion of 'gender' ideiologues on Twitter."
Reading this is shocking but not. I tried to explain how this happens to someone older and unaware and they can't or won't understand the impact. Thank you for posting it here and I feel sorry for those involved. I am unsure how Christian and his family will deal with this attack and I hope those who've gone through this abuse (like Graham and JKR) can help each other in some way. For those less familiar with online 'discourse' it really does flame up and unravels in seconds and in front of your eyes. If you ignore or leave it, it gets worse, if you try to defend yourself, it gets worse. It's no win. Others get notifications so it continues and grows. Mysterious mods make mysterious decisions with arcane and ever changing rules. People start asking what happened and rumours build on rumours and nasty people leap on that to extend it. You wake up the next day and there are streams of replies, it’s spiralled and then you are blocked or the whole site is shut down. It spreads to other social media and you get banned from more and more. You are hung out to dry and if it hits national press you're at great risk. Like with the TRAs all over Reddit. It's like a drunken punch up on every street corner every half an hour. It gets out of hand astonishingly quickly when some smell blood and go for the forum kill. An old friend in tech always said, never read the bottom half in a half-jokey, half-deadly serious way. I spent some time on forums and saw these nonsense explosions and random bullying then poof it's all gone, threads and profiles disappear and we've become inured as this is normalised. No recourse, no come back, just lick your wounds and try to move on. But we are all encouraged and guided to these places for most elements of life now and you're viewed with suspicion if you don't interact online or try to anonymously.
I thought we'd seen enough of this over a few decades now, but it happens again and again and no one seems to be able to stop it. It's not sticks and stones when it's 24/7, you lose all ability to communicate with others in places online you have created and been a part of. No one can get a clear overview of what actually happened. It's out of your control. It can affect every part of your life and all your 'social' and professional networks. It's seeped in and is real life. Cancelling is real, random and painful. Isolating and lonely. Often utterly unwarranted and like school bullies you need others to see and hear it, then intervene.
Very well explained. I hope you don't mind if I copy it to use on people who are currently stuck in the "Well just don't use social media then you won't see what people are saying" position?
Happily :-)
What is so vile is that tech is great - it's made genuine progess, saved lives, and helped people communicate. It is a lifeline for many genuinely marginalised and vulnerable people. They can find their voice and improve their lives. I was checking on a forum earlier - they are live places, reflections of us IRL and can go stale or putrid just like any other social grouping and context. There are so many reaching out for advice/hope/connection/attention/answers or a way to fill empty hours alone or with health conditions and disabilities that isolate them. Then this lot roam the interwebs looking for people to harass and pick off to feel some kind of something to fill their void. And too many are letting them.
Well said.
Drew: “Christian should not have brought JKR and ‘that other guy’ into the tweet. That was a foolish thing to do”.
Foolish, why? Foolish because it’s impossible to argue with them? Foolish because they’re the ones on the right side of history? Foolish because Drew can’t hold a candle to them? I’d love to hear why Drew thinks mentioning JKR and Glinner was a foolish thing to do.
I don’t know whether the time is right or not, but there must come a point when people who write things like “JKR who is an anti-trans activist whose work has hurt and encouraged violence against
trans people to the point of murder” should face defamation proceedings if they persist with this false nonsense. This is a movement built very much on sand. The more it’s challenged, the more it will fall down.
I’ve been thinking this too. And ditto regarding Graham, Dave Chapelle and Ricky Gervais. None of them transphobes and none of them ever have been. Interesting that Martina doesn’t get more flack for gender-critical opinions. But I used to think that about JKR too before it all kicked off. So maybe it’s coming for MN too at some point but hasn’t yet hit misogyny runaway effect cascade levels yet.
"My autistic child is not vulnerable so why would any other autistic child be vulnerable?"
That's one of the most myopic self centered positions to take. Mercilessly indifferent to the way any people contrast, not just autistic children.
The Times have picked up on Christian's story.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c1b8ba7a-2edd-11ed-9b12-7a2e56f7aeb6?shareToken=779c98a31797c9cd84f760671bfad6be
Good to see but with wider coverage and the unhinged who keep fuelling this month to month, he may genuinely need to seek advice from the police and those who can advise him on keeping his family and him safe now. I hope they're getting support. How are we here. It's not the ones screaming about how vulnerable 'their community' are, with their endless made up stats that are at risk.
Feel like I'm watching 12 Angry Men.
10 jurors have seen sense at last but EG Marshall is still claiming the evidence shows blockers are safe and reversible despite having no such evidence and Lee J Cobb is angrily pouring bottles of piss on himself in rage.
If you look at Spitfireaudio's 'Head of Web' Jame's Bellamy's Twitter spouting the most extreme anti-Tory hate seems 'good hate' to it's CEO I guess. Retweeting a literal wish of death on Boris Johnson.
https://twitter.com/jbellamy1978?lang=es
But expressing support of Graham Linehan and JKR for their defence of vulnerable children being chemically and surgically mutilated by a child grooming cult, and that is completely out of bounds.
"the aftershock of Christian's tweet is a grown dealing with the consequences of his actions".
A grown man whose 'crime' was to post his concern for the safeguarding of children.
Wow. Wake up and smell the totalitarianism.
I’m so so tired of these sexist males waving their dicks around whilst good brave men with actual dignity, ethics and spines get castigated. Graham, Christian, “Doodlewhale” and (with mitigations due to unfairly throwing JKR and Glinner under the bus, so only part-credit) Wes, we women see you and you give us hope. These other types of men fill us with despair, but hope is what we need to keep on moving forward. Thank you for that.
This has a similar ‘flavour’ to the Rosie Kay story. Young indoctrinated who spend their entire lives online living in their own virtual world turning on the adults who made their earnings possible. Rosie came out of her battle well in the end. I hope this one will be the same.