Interesting how, erm, different the Guardian’s take is on BBC’s finally ditching Stonewall. Could almost have been written by OJ itself. Crept for we know he doesn’t actually do any ‘real’ work. Like writing.
My first time ‘tuning in’ and I loved it. You can go ahead and start calling me Mata Hari right now, cos i am disentangling the tentacles of the vile rainbow Kraken from my employer.
It’s not easy, I’m being careful not to overplay my hand, but I’m getting there.
I must admit that I do use a pseudonym though, so I’m not *that* brave!
Sinead is a wonder, what an incredibly strong young woman. I think this episode will help to peak many a person who believes that "there's no way people are being encouraged to transition without proper medical assessment and psychological intervention first".
The way Sinead was treated was a healthcare scandal, and a disgrace.
I went through puberty at the age of 10 and DESPISED my body. I fantasised about cutting female body parts off - without being TMI. I wore boys clothes until my mid-teens. I'm a bisexual woman - but was called a lesbian by school peers for dressing how I did. This was 15 years ago now, and nobody ever questioned if I was a boy, it was never suggested, my maternal family are Irish Catholics so no gender woo-woo was ever pushed onto me.
I have always had mental health problems. I was sexually assaulted a number of times AT school IN FRONT of teachers. I didn't hate my body because I was a woman. I hated my body because of the attention it brought, if I dressed in boys clothes I looked flat chested and didn't get abuse from boys.
I fully believe that if I was at school in this day and age, trans ideology ABSOLUTELY would have been pushed on me.
The idea that 14yo me, who had been raped, having to share a gender-neutral Bathroom with the boy that abused me is unfathomable. Why is this happening to our daughters, sisters, friends?
As Graham said, in Australia you can get 12 years in prison for dissuading someone from becoming transgender. Are we living in the twilight zone? I'm proud to live on "TERF Island"
TERFS will go down in history as the ones that said NO to the modern day conversion therapy, NO to medicalising our children, NO to forcing victims of sex crimes to use single-sex spaces with BIOLOGICAL MEN.
Women on twitter get abuse for using their "rape/assault privilege" as a reason for wanting to continue single sex spaces.
I was totally alone, 9 months pregnant, in a women's DV refuge, no visitors allowed, no men allowed AT ALL. But now men who just have to say they 'identify' as a woman are allowed into these places? This is SO wrong.
How many women are keeping quiet about being abused by TIFs of fear of being accused of being trasphobic?
I remember being told as a teenager "He can't rape you, he's your boyfriend"
What's the bet, that women are now being told "She can't rape you, she's a woman, UNLEARN your genital preferences, only a MAN can rape you and TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN"
Any woman who supports this nonsense is a disgrace to our sex, and undoubtedly has never gone through the hatred and abuse of their bodies as so so many women have.
We'll stand up to them, like Maya, Graham, Kathleen, Keira, Sinead and so many others have. This is just the beginning, but we'll win.
Agree hardly any point debating people who are deluded. It’s a waste of precious life years and sacrifices our nice life time for them, who really are simply unpleasant if not extremely disturbed and dangerous. Reduces all our quality of life for a delusion. Far too much of it. It’s got to be a wind up it’s so absurd and if it wasn’t so dangerous to the well-being of children and women I’m sure we collectively wouldn’t bother. It does though also show how easily our systems, institutions and media can be captured by lunatics and mental, moral, legal and intellectual weaklings to hurt people in general but particularly women and children as if we hadn’t seen evidence mass delusion and mass belief before. Created by men for men and enabled by their handmaids. This is an extreme example of all the other delusions we live under, with Government perpetuating it all from the top misusing the power of the state. Floating further and further away from their responsibilities , obligations and duties to the people. It is ludicrous. Just another thing they do to be shocked and furious about.
The trouble is, they really believe it. And it must be so incredibly hard to navigate as a parent when your teen is insisting. The last thing you want to do is drive them away.
There's going to be a huge need for therapists who specialise in helping former cult members to adjust when this is all done. It's maddening and saddening.
Yes, it will need people to really "be kind" to themselves and accept that they got brainwashed, without realising it. Those that love them / that they love, won't worry about the embarrassment. Those that seek to humiliate them over it are not worth knowing. Just keep on loving your TranDad as much as you can (obvs I don't know your circs). X
We took our foster daughter out for her birthday and she invited a friend from school. The friend was complaining about her mother not letting her get pierced or tattooed. What did her mother say? Basically I'm supporting you and until you can take care of yourself I'm not going to agree to you doing something you might regret. Whatever happened to parenting? If I had a child and she threatened me, I would know I had not done a good job; I would also say, "Call child protective services if you want. Let yourself become a cog in the system; I obviously did a shitty job of making sure you had consequences." I know parents would say that it's an easy thing for me to say, but parenting other people's messed-up children taught me a lot!
Parenting teenage children is really, really hard. There is not enough awareness if this in society, where all the focus is on the early years (including childcare funding etc). By the time they get to secondary school parents often breathe a sigh of relief whereas in fact the hard yards are only just beginning. Communication, empathy and reasonable boundaries are needed (in that order. Imo)
Excellent comment! Not my foster daughter -- she had been so incredibly damaged -- but both of our teenage exchange students were so eager to have someone to talk to who would listen. You are so right about teenagers needing their parents just as much as small children do!
Hopefully in a number of matters the absolute crap we’re all conditioned to believe in has now come out as the powerful having just gone too far now to be hidden anymore against the powerless. Usually women and their children. From the workhouses to the state “care” apparatus or transfer for money and for use, exploitation, MANipulation or due to simple neuroticism and projection of blame and erasure. Once we see it and break out of our conditioning about what’s real and what’s not we can’t unsee it. MRAs will do anything to keep their “power over” including castrating themselves or faking femaleness and identity theft and appropriation. Silence means No! It is not consent and it certainly isn’t informed consent. In everything. Just another control drama to keep the focus on their narcissistic selves and male privilege for themselves rather than anyone or anything else even those they are obliged by law and rights and morality to. We may be TERFS but they are TURDS.
It was a good one today! Always delighted to listen to Sinéad, she’s just incredible.
Interesting how, erm, different the Guardian’s take is on BBC’s finally ditching Stonewall. Could almost have been written by OJ itself. Crept for we know he doesn’t actually do any ‘real’ work. Like writing.
My first time ‘tuning in’ and I loved it. You can go ahead and start calling me Mata Hari right now, cos i am disentangling the tentacles of the vile rainbow Kraken from my employer.
It’s not easy, I’m being careful not to overplay my hand, but I’m getting there.
I must admit that I do use a pseudonym though, so I’m not *that* brave!
Sinead is a wonder, what an incredibly strong young woman. I think this episode will help to peak many a person who believes that "there's no way people are being encouraged to transition without proper medical assessment and psychological intervention first".
The way Sinead was treated was a healthcare scandal, and a disgrace.
It was lovely to see Sinnead in the flesh on today's Mess. Whenever she tweets she's always very reasoned and straightforward. She's a great follow.
Thanks for the show Graham, Helen n Arty. The Dream Team 🙂
I went through puberty at the age of 10 and DESPISED my body. I fantasised about cutting female body parts off - without being TMI. I wore boys clothes until my mid-teens. I'm a bisexual woman - but was called a lesbian by school peers for dressing how I did. This was 15 years ago now, and nobody ever questioned if I was a boy, it was never suggested, my maternal family are Irish Catholics so no gender woo-woo was ever pushed onto me.
I have always had mental health problems. I was sexually assaulted a number of times AT school IN FRONT of teachers. I didn't hate my body because I was a woman. I hated my body because of the attention it brought, if I dressed in boys clothes I looked flat chested and didn't get abuse from boys.
I fully believe that if I was at school in this day and age, trans ideology ABSOLUTELY would have been pushed on me.
The idea that 14yo me, who had been raped, having to share a gender-neutral Bathroom with the boy that abused me is unfathomable. Why is this happening to our daughters, sisters, friends?
As Graham said, in Australia you can get 12 years in prison for dissuading someone from becoming transgender. Are we living in the twilight zone? I'm proud to live on "TERF Island"
TERFS will go down in history as the ones that said NO to the modern day conversion therapy, NO to medicalising our children, NO to forcing victims of sex crimes to use single-sex spaces with BIOLOGICAL MEN.
Women on twitter get abuse for using their "rape/assault privilege" as a reason for wanting to continue single sex spaces.
I was totally alone, 9 months pregnant, in a women's DV refuge, no visitors allowed, no men allowed AT ALL. But now men who just have to say they 'identify' as a woman are allowed into these places? This is SO wrong.
How many women are keeping quiet about being abused by TIFs of fear of being accused of being trasphobic?
I remember being told as a teenager "He can't rape you, he's your boyfriend"
What's the bet, that women are now being told "She can't rape you, she's a woman, UNLEARN your genital preferences, only a MAN can rape you and TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN"
Any woman who supports this nonsense is a disgrace to our sex, and undoubtedly has never gone through the hatred and abuse of their bodies as so so many women have.
We'll stand up to them, like Maya, Graham, Kathleen, Keira, Sinead and so many others have. This is just the beginning, but we'll win.
Emily Grace (@maybeto2morrow on Twitter)
Agree hardly any point debating people who are deluded. It’s a waste of precious life years and sacrifices our nice life time for them, who really are simply unpleasant if not extremely disturbed and dangerous. Reduces all our quality of life for a delusion. Far too much of it. It’s got to be a wind up it’s so absurd and if it wasn’t so dangerous to the well-being of children and women I’m sure we collectively wouldn’t bother. It does though also show how easily our systems, institutions and media can be captured by lunatics and mental, moral, legal and intellectual weaklings to hurt people in general but particularly women and children as if we hadn’t seen evidence mass delusion and mass belief before. Created by men for men and enabled by their handmaids. This is an extreme example of all the other delusions we live under, with Government perpetuating it all from the top misusing the power of the state. Floating further and further away from their responsibilities , obligations and duties to the people. It is ludicrous. Just another thing they do to be shocked and furious about.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10187985/My-child-insists-binding-breasts-Mother-describes-shes-navigating-emotional-minefield.html
The trouble is, they really believe it. And it must be so incredibly hard to navigate as a parent when your teen is insisting. The last thing you want to do is drive them away.
There's going to be a huge need for therapists who specialise in helping former cult members to adjust when this is all done. It's maddening and saddening.
The statistics in 10 years time will be shocking. My stepmother (GC) says my TranDad "will never detransition as he will never admit he was wrong"
Yes, it will need people to really "be kind" to themselves and accept that they got brainwashed, without realising it. Those that love them / that they love, won't worry about the embarrassment. Those that seek to humiliate them over it are not worth knowing. Just keep on loving your TranDad as much as you can (obvs I don't know your circs). X
We took our foster daughter out for her birthday and she invited a friend from school. The friend was complaining about her mother not letting her get pierced or tattooed. What did her mother say? Basically I'm supporting you and until you can take care of yourself I'm not going to agree to you doing something you might regret. Whatever happened to parenting? If I had a child and she threatened me, I would know I had not done a good job; I would also say, "Call child protective services if you want. Let yourself become a cog in the system; I obviously did a shitty job of making sure you had consequences." I know parents would say that it's an easy thing for me to say, but parenting other people's messed-up children taught me a lot!
Parenting teenage children is really, really hard. There is not enough awareness if this in society, where all the focus is on the early years (including childcare funding etc). By the time they get to secondary school parents often breathe a sigh of relief whereas in fact the hard yards are only just beginning. Communication, empathy and reasonable boundaries are needed (in that order. Imo)
Excellent comment! Not my foster daughter -- she had been so incredibly damaged -- but both of our teenage exchange students were so eager to have someone to talk to who would listen. You are so right about teenagers needing their parents just as much as small children do!
Hopefully in a number of matters the absolute crap we’re all conditioned to believe in has now come out as the powerful having just gone too far now to be hidden anymore against the powerless. Usually women and their children. From the workhouses to the state “care” apparatus or transfer for money and for use, exploitation, MANipulation or due to simple neuroticism and projection of blame and erasure. Once we see it and break out of our conditioning about what’s real and what’s not we can’t unsee it. MRAs will do anything to keep their “power over” including castrating themselves or faking femaleness and identity theft and appropriation. Silence means No! It is not consent and it certainly isn’t informed consent. In everything. Just another control drama to keep the focus on their narcissistic selves and male privilege for themselves rather than anyone or anything else even those they are obliged by law and rights and morality to. We may be TERFS but they are TURDS.
The stories about lesbians being coerced and physically HURT trying to have sex with a TIF are shocking and so upsetting. It's rape.
Same old same male violence against women. As I said what they won’t do to hide it has no end. Sick f!?s
Did one of your posts disappear?
Did one of your posts disappear?