So the only choices in having men in our spaces is we are either transphobic for wanting to keep penises out or prudes for objecting to them when they can't keep it in their pants. The only people obsessed with genitals are creepy men with no boundaries.
The protests and rioting around the Wi Spa incident is very revealing. Violent yobs who think TWAW, ha!! Yeah, course they do. Misogynist men are well known for supporting women's rights. 😐 It couldn't be any more obvious that they fully think the TIM in question is one of them, NOT one of us.
The thing about male flashers is that there is an inherent threat of violence or rape. Why do trans activists think that's not a problem for those experiencing the unwanted exposure?
I quite agree with you. Yet, years ago, I had a female colleague who didn't see what the fuss was all about because flashers were just sad blokes worthy only of ridicule. She'd no idea that some serial rapists start out by exposing themselves to women, not in public but in quiet streets for instance. It happened to me in France in the middle of the day in a very quiet residential street. I wasn't about to ridicule the flasher who was youngish and well-built enough to overpower me if he'd chosen to. It was quite scary. (I managed to get him arrested by the way as he was in his car and I memorised his license plate before running off).
Since I'm no longer on Twitter (suspended) and you've answered here I'll share as well: 11yo; a young man (17/18) who was the son of a family friend. He molested me every time his family visited mine for the next two years.
I’ll ‘heart’ this for your bravery! That’s damn nasty and I’m feeling relatively unscathed here in northern California as a GenX woman who has thankfully never suffered this particular kind of assault. Please continue to let your experience strengthen your resolve to keep resisting this assault on sense and decency.
6; parents’ middle-aged friend got an erection while I was in the hot tub on his lap, which I was in some way subject to and brought to their attention, apparently (they quickly removed me and asked him to leave). We moved away soon after, and he later ended up molesting my best friend for a year. She was 10.
The implication in any argument against female-only spaces is that male anatomy has nothing to do with male violence against females when it absolutely does.
I remember Helen asking that question last year. For me, I was 12, playing on rollerblades. As I skated past a house, a man opened the door to pick up milk bottles. His gown swung open revealing his dick. Thinking it must have been an embarrassing mishap, I sniggered. Not long afterwards, I skated past again, saw something in an upper window. There he was, stark bollock naked standing on his windowsill, holding onto the curtain rail above, in a weird crab-like position so he could fit. Staring at me, dick swinging. Never went down that street again.
Paisley and his kind would say kids and women shouldn't have been looking, like it's our fault!
God, yeah, you were so *rude* for even looking!! And you may have hurt his feelings for being so *unkind* as to laugh at what you shouldn’t have been looking at, but did only for the fact of your neglecting to *not see his exposed penis with your exposed eyes*!!! I’m laughing at the ridiculousness of that man who clearly timed all of that on purpose, but I am also horrified that you saw that & were (rightly) scared, but canny enough to avoid that road in future. And that’s something a lot of men, especially this mob, will never understand: the effort involved in the near lifetime avoidance of certain seemingly innocuous places or situations, the longer routes taken, the moving from one tube/train carriage to another because of lack of women where you are, the constant checking you haven’t held a gaze too long, the lowering of the eyes while walking/sitting, the occupying of oneself to appear too busy to be approached, the having to fend off unwanted conversation, to be polite so as not to seem to be an unfriendly b***h… it’s just endless.
A popular activity in NYC when I lived there seemed to be walking behind women and muttering. I took up turning around and asking them aggressively what was wrong with them. Maybe it's just me but I have found the best way to treat creepy men is to turn into their mother and bark at them.
Or not turn into their mother, but just an annoyed stranger, loudly, so everyone can hear: “What the HELL are you doing?? This is a public bus, for God’s sake!! We're all just trying to get to work, here!”
I’ve been so retrospectively annoyed with myself for being quiet, so nobody else would be disturbed by someone else's obscene beh. in public. I guess in my 20s, 30s, I thought it would reflect poorly on me. FFS!
I don't think so. When women remain quiet as men expect them to, it feeds a sense of power. When women refuse to follow their training to be quiet and polite they regain their power. I'm old enough to remember when women were told not to resist rapists (!). Of course when someone actually studied rape attempts women who resisted were far less likely to be raped.
A man masturbated in front of me and my 2 sons (aged about 4 & 6) in a park! Not sure if it was me or the kids that were supposed to see him, maybe both.
Aged 8 with three other pre-adolescent girls, a man trawling the neighbourhood in a car saw us, drew up close, blocked our path from crossing, swung open the passenger door, beckoned so we'd see his erect dick, tried to get us to get in. We didn't. I don't remember more. It was our first experience of an adult stranger's penis. = threat, because of course it is.
In my early 20s, lone men using strangers to masturbate in front of. A young one got on the otherwise empty tube carriage, sat across the aisle (I didn't notice him at first), used me to wank at. I couldn't escape for several minutes. The other was an old man on a full commuter train, openly jerking off, everyone aware but saying nothing.
Never had anything remotely boundary-threatening around sex and physical privacy from any woman.
Our primary school backed on to Putney Common and men literally hid in scores around the playground wanking furiously. Some tried to grab kids. Never ever ever seen a woman wanking there. You can tell Transwomen are men by their furious denial of male sex based violence against women, children and the elderly. Paisley is a complete flat earther.
This whole example is part of the TRA agenda which is to say "you must be comfortable with me regardless of if it's in an intimate space". So sexual boundaries, intimate examinations, communal changing facilities and having someone care for you doing intimate care - it's irrevelant what you think, why you have your boundaries and what you're comfortable. Because after all "it's only bodies". What an insensitive thing to say. He was only the other day posting that no-one had the right to ask someone about if they've been sexual assaulted (and he's right they shouldn't). Then he's saying "well it's only bodies".
Only bodies to him. But removing consent and boundaries for others. This is why TRAs want sex by deception legalised and to remove any exemptions from the equality act because their boundaries are all that matters.
I believe I was around 11 when a man in a park exposed himself to me. There were also men pressing their junk up against my body on subways and buses, age 10 & up. NEVER a women, all men. I learned to stomp insoles, yell & stand far away from men. I grew up with a brother, in a modest family- no random nakedness, ever. Years later, after my brother suddenly decided he was “transgender “, he traipsed about in transparent undies and other bizarrely inappropriate non-clothing. He began exposing his body to me (and others) & attempted to gaslight me when I told him to STOP! - He’d accuse me of “being transphobic “ & call me “a prude”. I shut him down but quick, but it was horrible to deal with. The TRA agenda is forceful and rapey against women’s boundaries, wishes and safety. They DGAF about women.
Your experience shows what a mental delusion the twans movement is. I think the only good that can come of this is to raise public knowledge about narcissists and their manipulative games.
Several years ago I read a detransitioned male talking about his time in trans spaces. He wanted to emphasize to women on the feminist website that ALL the men and ALL the women he associated with were extreme narcissists. It seems to be a common condition in the U.S. but a lot of people have nothing to do but obsess about their looks.
Got blocked by DP as my response doesn't suit his narrative
"Your tweet was a bit odd tbh. You're saying you're comfortable with bodies. Other people choose their own boundaries and have their own boundaries for their own reasons. Someone who has different boundaries to you isn't any lesser for having these."
Pretty telling. If he has a reaction to that, he's got some serious boundary issues. I'd want to ask him -- "Why do you need for women to have no boundaries?"
Also got blocked today by notcursedE when they were celebrating a victory against transphobes with prisons judicial review.
I pointed out the main issue was the data collection that has been skewed by Stonewall and similar organisations. And if more data if available showing detriments (towards females) then it would be legitimate and proportionate to exclude trans women.
That's if one can even get any data. Wasn't long ago the NAACP (US) was trying to bar any requests for information about men in women's prisons. As though it was against the TIM's rights for the public to know. Like wtf.
So the only choices in having men in our spaces is we are either transphobic for wanting to keep penises out or prudes for objecting to them when they can't keep it in their pants. The only people obsessed with genitals are creepy men with no boundaries.
The protests and rioting around the Wi Spa incident is very revealing. Violent yobs who think TWAW, ha!! Yeah, course they do. Misogynist men are well known for supporting women's rights. 😐 It couldn't be any more obvious that they fully think the TIM in question is one of them, NOT one of us.
I think a better question is why is David Paisley pushing so hard for penis in women's spaces?
The thing about male flashers is that there is an inherent threat of violence or rape. Why do trans activists think that's not a problem for those experiencing the unwanted exposure?
I quite agree with you. Yet, years ago, I had a female colleague who didn't see what the fuss was all about because flashers were just sad blokes worthy only of ridicule. She'd no idea that some serial rapists start out by exposing themselves to women, not in public but in quiet streets for instance. It happened to me in France in the middle of the day in a very quiet residential street. I wasn't about to ridicule the flasher who was youngish and well-built enough to overpower me if he'd chosen to. It was quite scary. (I managed to get him arrested by the way as he was in his car and I memorised his license plate before running off).
I can well imagine how scary that was and I'm sorry. Glad you got him arrested.
I’m also glad you got him arrested. Freaking perverts.
Yep. And it's often a gateway to more serious sexual crime. I'm not plucking this out of thin air, look at the Colin Pitchfork case.
In a lift in a Hong-Kong high-rise, 6, a man. Caught in the act, by a group of male residents, when the lift stopped.
They beat him up and took him to the police.
Since I'm no longer on Twitter (suspended) and you've answered here I'll share as well: 11yo; a young man (17/18) who was the son of a family friend. He molested me every time his family visited mine for the next two years.
I’ll ‘heart’ this for your bravery! That’s damn nasty and I’m feeling relatively unscathed here in northern California as a GenX woman who has thankfully never suffered this particular kind of assault. Please continue to let your experience strengthen your resolve to keep resisting this assault on sense and decency.
I can't 'heart' this. I'm so sorry. And of course your voice is the sort that Twitter erases.
There are no words. I'm so sorry x
At least your story has a happy ending.
6; parents’ middle-aged friend got an erection while I was in the hot tub on his lap, which I was in some way subject to and brought to their attention, apparently (they quickly removed me and asked him to leave). We moved away soon after, and he later ended up molesting my best friend for a year. She was 10.
Ffs 💕
Good! Thoroughly deserved.
The implication in any argument against female-only spaces is that male anatomy has nothing to do with male violence against females when it absolutely does.
The lady who took the "Wi Spa" video has been bullied out of attending the protest today due to credible threats of violence against her from Antifa
This is beyond reprehensible. The protest was simply against men walking around nude around women and children in women's spaces.
That’s disgusting - so Black Lives Matter - just not hers as she’s a woman?
And a TERF.
That’s a potentially deadly combination these days.
David Paisley is a gross, gaslighting misogynist.
I remember Helen asking that question last year. For me, I was 12, playing on rollerblades. As I skated past a house, a man opened the door to pick up milk bottles. His gown swung open revealing his dick. Thinking it must have been an embarrassing mishap, I sniggered. Not long afterwards, I skated past again, saw something in an upper window. There he was, stark bollock naked standing on his windowsill, holding onto the curtain rail above, in a weird crab-like position so he could fit. Staring at me, dick swinging. Never went down that street again.
Paisley and his kind would say kids and women shouldn't have been looking, like it's our fault!
God, yeah, you were so *rude* for even looking!! And you may have hurt his feelings for being so *unkind* as to laugh at what you shouldn’t have been looking at, but did only for the fact of your neglecting to *not see his exposed penis with your exposed eyes*!!! I’m laughing at the ridiculousness of that man who clearly timed all of that on purpose, but I am also horrified that you saw that & were (rightly) scared, but canny enough to avoid that road in future. And that’s something a lot of men, especially this mob, will never understand: the effort involved in the near lifetime avoidance of certain seemingly innocuous places or situations, the longer routes taken, the moving from one tube/train carriage to another because of lack of women where you are, the constant checking you haven’t held a gaze too long, the lowering of the eyes while walking/sitting, the occupying of oneself to appear too busy to be approached, the having to fend off unwanted conversation, to be polite so as not to seem to be an unfriendly b***h… it’s just endless.
So much this!!!
They have no clue what being female is like, for our entire lives. It is constant risk-assessment.
Never had any untoward, unwanted, or unsolicited creepy sexual behaviour from women but several times from men. Always men.
A popular activity in NYC when I lived there seemed to be walking behind women and muttering. I took up turning around and asking them aggressively what was wrong with them. Maybe it's just me but I have found the best way to treat creepy men is to turn into their mother and bark at them.
Or not turn into their mother, but just an annoyed stranger, loudly, so everyone can hear: “What the HELL are you doing?? This is a public bus, for God’s sake!! We're all just trying to get to work, here!”
I’ve been so retrospectively annoyed with myself for being quiet, so nobody else would be disturbed by someone else's obscene beh. in public. I guess in my 20s, 30s, I thought it would reflect poorly on me. FFS!
I don't think so. When women remain quiet as men expect them to, it feeds a sense of power. When women refuse to follow their training to be quiet and polite they regain their power. I'm old enough to remember when women were told not to resist rapists (!). Of course when someone actually studied rape attempts women who resisted were far less likely to be raped.
A man masturbated in front of me and my 2 sons (aged about 4 & 6) in a park! Not sure if it was me or the kids that were supposed to see him, maybe both.
Aged 8 with three other pre-adolescent girls, a man trawling the neighbourhood in a car saw us, drew up close, blocked our path from crossing, swung open the passenger door, beckoned so we'd see his erect dick, tried to get us to get in. We didn't. I don't remember more. It was our first experience of an adult stranger's penis. = threat, because of course it is.
In my early 20s, lone men using strangers to masturbate in front of. A young one got on the otherwise empty tube carriage, sat across the aisle (I didn't notice him at first), used me to wank at. I couldn't escape for several minutes. The other was an old man on a full commuter train, openly jerking off, everyone aware but saying nothing.
Never had anything remotely boundary-threatening around sex and physical privacy from any woman.
Our primary school backed on to Putney Common and men literally hid in scores around the playground wanking furiously. Some tried to grab kids. Never ever ever seen a woman wanking there. You can tell Transwomen are men by their furious denial of male sex based violence against women, children and the elderly. Paisley is a complete flat earther.
I was 11. He didn’t flash me, he offered me money for sex while I was unlocking my bike.
This whole example is part of the TRA agenda which is to say "you must be comfortable with me regardless of if it's in an intimate space". So sexual boundaries, intimate examinations, communal changing facilities and having someone care for you doing intimate care - it's irrevelant what you think, why you have your boundaries and what you're comfortable. Because after all "it's only bodies". What an insensitive thing to say. He was only the other day posting that no-one had the right to ask someone about if they've been sexual assaulted (and he's right they shouldn't). Then he's saying "well it's only bodies".
Only bodies to him. But removing consent and boundaries for others. This is why TRAs want sex by deception legalised and to remove any exemptions from the equality act because their boundaries are all that matters.
I believe I was around 11 when a man in a park exposed himself to me. There were also men pressing their junk up against my body on subways and buses, age 10 & up. NEVER a women, all men. I learned to stomp insoles, yell & stand far away from men. I grew up with a brother, in a modest family- no random nakedness, ever. Years later, after my brother suddenly decided he was “transgender “, he traipsed about in transparent undies and other bizarrely inappropriate non-clothing. He began exposing his body to me (and others) & attempted to gaslight me when I told him to STOP! - He’d accuse me of “being transphobic “ & call me “a prude”. I shut him down but quick, but it was horrible to deal with. The TRA agenda is forceful and rapey against women’s boundaries, wishes and safety. They DGAF about women.
That’s awful. I’m sorry he did that to you.
Your experience shows what a mental delusion the twans movement is. I think the only good that can come of this is to raise public knowledge about narcissists and their manipulative games.
Several years ago I read a detransitioned male talking about his time in trans spaces. He wanted to emphasize to women on the feminist website that ALL the men and ALL the women he associated with were extreme narcissists. It seems to be a common condition in the U.S. but a lot of people have nothing to do but obsess about their looks.
Got blocked by DP as my response doesn't suit his narrative
"Your tweet was a bit odd tbh. You're saying you're comfortable with bodies. Other people choose their own boundaries and have their own boundaries for their own reasons. Someone who has different boundaries to you isn't any lesser for having these."
Pretty telling. If he has a reaction to that, he's got some serious boundary issues. I'd want to ask him -- "Why do you need for women to have no boundaries?"
Also got blocked today by notcursedE when they were celebrating a victory against transphobes with prisons judicial review.
I pointed out the main issue was the data collection that has been skewed by Stonewall and similar organisations. And if more data if available showing detriments (towards females) then it would be legitimate and proportionate to exclude trans women.
That's if one can even get any data. Wasn't long ago the NAACP (US) was trying to bar any requests for information about men in women's prisons. As though it was against the TIM's rights for the public to know. Like wtf.
Paisley is about as fine a thinker as he is an actor.
He once played a midwife, so knows it all about gynaecology. End of!