Recently we covered The Guardian’s descent into pushing overt conspiracy theories, but The Independent appears to be left-wing media’s apprenticeship of misogynistic writing.
“Happy” to report a full bingo card after this one. Thanks for all you do Nutmeg.
“Shon” Faye is a pretty sad case in this line-up. He went from being an effeminate gay man who liked to wear make-up (https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/dec/06/my-life-in-makeup) to being a “transwoman” spouting the most misogynistic bile in very short order.
In the entirety of my life, not once have I encountered such a women’s bathroom where the women-waiting-to-pee sing and dance to music while embracing men-who-think-they-are-women. Why is this? Answer: Because not even in nightclubs does this happen. Not even in U.S. Target store women’s toilets. These TIMs are outright delusional/ mentally ill. Wondering out loud when did it become politically “incorrect” to state the obvious? Thank you for this article jam packed w/ info. 🙌
I’m not sure it is him - he’s saying that he was blamed but he seeks to be denying it. I’m using male pronouns because Precious Child talks like a male, postures like a male and the black lipstick is just the final straw for me.
I’m replying to my own comment here after seeing the latest on this creep. I was right then - he is male. The make up is performative and used to shield his true intentions.
So is he the WiSpa guy or not? I got 6 mins in and just couldn’t watch anymore and it wasn’t clear. Sorry Loretta I just can’t get through it, help me out…
Me neither of course, quite simply because it never happens. But this bonding/sisterhood in the ladies loos is a known trans trope - they invented this preposterous story and then insist on inserting themselves into it.
There was a teenage boy at high school in the US who decided he was really a girl after all. There was some kind of strike at the school about it. He had his usual band of female acolytes of course, and the opposing faction. He said later on that he was disappointed at what went on in the girls' locker room - it wasn't the lesbian fest he'd been hoping for. Oh god. I suppose that came from internet porn.
I can believe this happening. I have seen young women get drunk and have sing-alongs and group hugs with strangers too many times not too believe it.
That said, the broad wink of inclusion reeks of doing this for the trans male’s benefit- something else drunk young women are wont to do: make men feel better.
Women particularly want to make people they think are outcast in some way feel better. If he thinks he’s actually a woman, even better! Sooo flattering.
Tbh I've never even seen toilet queues in clubs. We just bundle in and jostle past those who are reapplying makeup then go back out. I've never had female bonding experiences in bogs either aside from a couple of drunken photos because the lighting was good...
Ubelievable that someone seeking political influence in British politics through a position on the Labour party's LGBT advisory board could make such an ignorant remark as: "The Suffragettes were white supremacists who were fighting for WHITE womens rights - they specifically left black women out of the movement. It is not 100 years since women got the vote it's 100 years since WHITE women got the vote. Black women couldn't vote until MUCH later" That may have been true in the US but this gump (Munroe Bergdof) was seeking a job in BRITISH politics. This seems to be endemic in the trans activist movement - it is completely ahistorical with memes and tropes directly transposed from American circumstances over to British wholly uncritically and indifferent to facts.
Many of the referenced Independent articles though are over a year old and it will be interesting to see if the turning of the tide which is now in full force will have an effect on the Independent too.
It’s true that there were some white American suffragists that were fighting only for white women’s votes (not on an explicitly racist platform; because they thought it would be an easier sell- a foot in the door, so to speak. I’m sure they were racist in the sense that they didn’t care to make the process more difficult for themselves, and were willing to throw Black and other non-white women under the bus. They were not racist in the sense that they preached about the inferiority of women of color). There were also American suffragists who fought quite explicitly for all women’s votes, specifically for the empowerment of Black women (then, as now, part of politicians’ unease was that they new large segments of the South would suddenly become bastions of progressive policy if black women were given the vote. The same fear lies behind modern voter suppression of African-Americans). Sojourner Truth was not only a slavery abolitionist and civil rights activists, she was a suffragist and worked with some famous white American suffragists, as well (Frederick Douglass, the famous escaped slave turned abolitionist, was also on the side of the suffragists and pro-enfranchisement for women, back in a time when most enfranchisement activists were simply lobbying for the vote for men of color).
And when women got the vote in the USA, in 1920, it was for women of all colors.
Has voting suppression targeting people of color, women and the poor been an issue since day 1 of enfranchisement for these groups? Yes, and it continues to be.
Nevertheless, it was women of all ethnic backgrounds who officially won the right to vote in 1920- and there have always been plenty of forward-thinking, anti-racist American suffragists, of all races.
I’m strangely not depressed by this article. I just think that they are being given plenty of rope and they will hang themselves at some point. The hatred and bile is one way. Women have science and reasoned argument on their side. They have ideology. Ideology that doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny. I hold faith in the wider public starting to be peaked the more of this infiltrates into the real world. I’m still hopeful it will be parents pushing back against indoctrination of children and the cases that will come to light in the future when the true medical scandal of puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery will fill the courts. The pendulum always swings too far one way before it returns to the centre.
Its like a lost generation...there is an epidemic of mental health conditions, porn culture and the desire to be famous and unique but having no talent, or character. Sad times.
I agree, Sianrose. It’s the curse of a generation all raised to believe they were very special, which produces all sorts of mental health issues, particularly narcissist personality disorder. Add to that fact that narcissism is already on the rise due to social media (documented by many long-running studies), and you have an epidemic of narcissistic people with poor sense of self making low self-esteem with loud proclamations of awesomeness- or, in this generation, with loud proclamations of oppression, because they’re mainly covert (vulnerable) rather than grandiose narcissists; they use a victim act to get what they want. They may actually be truly victimized in some sense, but that’s not the core reason for their unreasonable demands; the narcissism is.
Add to all this that this generation, raised with the utmost entitlement, is being loosed upon the world at a time in which no one can expect to live a better life than their parents- a time of economic downturn, instability, political unrest and environmental collapse- and compound it with a dash of escapism, and you truly have a disaster in the making.
Western nations have totally failed young people in recent times. We (and as an older millennial whose career aspirations got derailed by the recession right as I was graduating from university, I count myself among those who have been let down) have to take responsibility for having failed as a society, too; so we are all somewhat responsible for the rise of these fragile people with their fragile “identities.”
*narcissistic personality disorder/masking low self-esteem- I really need to proofread before I press “post!”
But yes, there is a whole generation of young people completely unprepared for life, who are about to go through some very difficult times, in these next 20-40 years. It’s really frightening.
As Liew says, sport is unfair and is just sport. Therefire, in the interests of diversity and inclusion let's mandate a transman plays in the squad of every premiership team.
We all know if men's sports were being affected the same way by including women that the outrage would be fierce and the reversal of policy swift. It just wouldn't happen.
Too often these days, facts from the US are meant to be accepted in the UK as facts from our past. They are thrown at us with speed and conviction and people start to believe that they do mean something over here. Well, they don't. It is like comparing apples with camels. Our apples are way more inclusive to the US camels. We haven't always got it right, but we didn't have legal segregation in the way it was in the US. We haven't had the ghettos in the same way as thee has been in the US. And our politics are way different too. When are the people in power in the UK going to call out the people who justify their own behaviour by using data and facts from the US that have no meaning in the UK.
I will never understand why elected governments ,public bodies ,academics ( who are arguably the "intelligent " people amongst us ), and the medical profession are wilfully blind to the very real dangers of this absolutely Toxic agenda promoted by these misogynistic predators who pretend to support "trans rights " but really only want to prey on women and children and indeed erase women as a sex class ,completely from society.!! It's a RAPIST'S ,PAEDOPHILE''S and MURDERE'S' charter and the cowardly sycophants who allow this to happen will have as much blood on their hands as the perpetrators !!
What a profoundly depressing, but necessary, article. It definitely feels like open season on women at the moment.
The fact that the left wing press is so gleefully pushing this narrative is illustrative of their misogyny. Just awful.
That's the effect this has had on me too. Very depressing, but it is essential that we know whom we're fighting against.
“Happy” to report a full bingo card after this one. Thanks for all you do Nutmeg.
“Shon” Faye is a pretty sad case in this line-up. He went from being an effeminate gay man who liked to wear make-up (https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/dec/06/my-life-in-makeup) to being a “transwoman” spouting the most misogynistic bile in very short order.
In the entirety of my life, not once have I encountered such a women’s bathroom where the women-waiting-to-pee sing and dance to music while embracing men-who-think-they-are-women. Why is this? Answer: Because not even in nightclubs does this happen. Not even in U.S. Target store women’s toilets. These TIMs are outright delusional/ mentally ill. Wondering out loud when did it become politically “incorrect” to state the obvious? Thank you for this article jam packed w/ info. 🙌
Yep. Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.
Oh, and speaking of men in our spaces, the Wi spa guy is on YT. His name? Are you ready? None other than Precious Child. 🤣
Holy Buffalo Bill, Batman!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=upBNLanhJdU
hey Loretta thank you so much for this. I didn't realise that you were the first to find it.
is this confirmed? I heard about this at the very start but didn't post as I couldn't find enough evidence. Is this really him?
hahahaha, never mind, watching it now
I’m not sure it is him - he’s saying that he was blamed but he seeks to be denying it. I’m using male pronouns because Precious Child talks like a male, postures like a male and the black lipstick is just the final straw for me.
Don’t forget the huge Adam’s apple!
Here is the video which details his fetish (trigger warning: extremely disturbing and disgusting):
https://youtu.be/WKgBtePyXe8
I’m replying to my own comment here after seeing the latest on this creep. I was right then - he is male. The make up is performative and used to shield his true intentions.
It's very wishy-washy, the beginning bit he says he's the "monster" from the incident but then denies it.
Maybe just an attention seeker? I know, I know, such a rare personality trait amongst the trans crowd.
So is he the WiSpa guy or not? I got 6 mins in and just couldn’t watch anymore and it wasn’t clear. Sorry Loretta I just can’t get through it, help me out…
Inconclusive at best. The name was mentioned in the comment section of this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K5p9NJVhdf4
I’ve never danced in a toilet queue either. It would be a bad move after birthing 3 large babies resulting in poor bladder control 🤣
🤣🤣
Maybe he's mistaken hopping from foot to foot when you're dying for a pee to dancing.
I hear ya! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me neither of course, quite simply because it never happens. But this bonding/sisterhood in the ladies loos is a known trans trope - they invented this preposterous story and then insist on inserting themselves into it.
Ewww, that’s so creepy! Thanks for the t-trope info, though! TIMs do not have much of an imagination, do they? 🙄
There was a teenage boy at high school in the US who decided he was really a girl after all. There was some kind of strike at the school about it. He had his usual band of female acolytes of course, and the opposing faction. He said later on that he was disappointed at what went on in the girls' locker room - it wasn't the lesbian fest he'd been hoping for. Oh god. I suppose that came from internet porn.
I can believe this happening. I have seen young women get drunk and have sing-alongs and group hugs with strangers too many times not too believe it.
That said, the broad wink of inclusion reeks of doing this for the trans male’s benefit- something else drunk young women are wont to do: make men feel better.
Women particularly want to make people they think are outcast in some way feel better. If he thinks he’s actually a woman, even better! Sooo flattering.
Tbh I've never even seen toilet queues in clubs. We just bundle in and jostle past those who are reapplying makeup then go back out. I've never had female bonding experiences in bogs either aside from a couple of drunken photos because the lighting was good...
Ubelievable that someone seeking political influence in British politics through a position on the Labour party's LGBT advisory board could make such an ignorant remark as: "The Suffragettes were white supremacists who were fighting for WHITE womens rights - they specifically left black women out of the movement. It is not 100 years since women got the vote it's 100 years since WHITE women got the vote. Black women couldn't vote until MUCH later" That may have been true in the US but this gump (Munroe Bergdof) was seeking a job in BRITISH politics. This seems to be endemic in the trans activist movement - it is completely ahistorical with memes and tropes directly transposed from American circumstances over to British wholly uncritically and indifferent to facts.
Many of the referenced Independent articles though are over a year old and it will be interesting to see if the turning of the tide which is now in full force will have an effect on the Independent too.
It’s not true in the U.S.
It’s true that there were some white American suffragists that were fighting only for white women’s votes (not on an explicitly racist platform; because they thought it would be an easier sell- a foot in the door, so to speak. I’m sure they were racist in the sense that they didn’t care to make the process more difficult for themselves, and were willing to throw Black and other non-white women under the bus. They were not racist in the sense that they preached about the inferiority of women of color). There were also American suffragists who fought quite explicitly for all women’s votes, specifically for the empowerment of Black women (then, as now, part of politicians’ unease was that they new large segments of the South would suddenly become bastions of progressive policy if black women were given the vote. The same fear lies behind modern voter suppression of African-Americans). Sojourner Truth was not only a slavery abolitionist and civil rights activists, she was a suffragist and worked with some famous white American suffragists, as well (Frederick Douglass, the famous escaped slave turned abolitionist, was also on the side of the suffragists and pro-enfranchisement for women, back in a time when most enfranchisement activists were simply lobbying for the vote for men of color).
And when women got the vote in the USA, in 1920, it was for women of all colors.
Has voting suppression targeting people of color, women and the poor been an issue since day 1 of enfranchisement for these groups? Yes, and it continues to be.
Nevertheless, it was women of all ethnic backgrounds who officially won the right to vote in 1920- and there have always been plenty of forward-thinking, anti-racist American suffragists, of all races.
TIL - thank you for info about suffragism in the US.
*knew/*activist (wish there were an edit button)!
I’m strangely not depressed by this article. I just think that they are being given plenty of rope and they will hang themselves at some point. The hatred and bile is one way. Women have science and reasoned argument on their side. They have ideology. Ideology that doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny. I hold faith in the wider public starting to be peaked the more of this infiltrates into the real world. I’m still hopeful it will be parents pushing back against indoctrination of children and the cases that will come to light in the future when the true medical scandal of puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery will fill the courts. The pendulum always swings too far one way before it returns to the centre.
Its like a lost generation...there is an epidemic of mental health conditions, porn culture and the desire to be famous and unique but having no talent, or character. Sad times.
I agree, Sianrose. It’s the curse of a generation all raised to believe they were very special, which produces all sorts of mental health issues, particularly narcissist personality disorder. Add to that fact that narcissism is already on the rise due to social media (documented by many long-running studies), and you have an epidemic of narcissistic people with poor sense of self making low self-esteem with loud proclamations of awesomeness- or, in this generation, with loud proclamations of oppression, because they’re mainly covert (vulnerable) rather than grandiose narcissists; they use a victim act to get what they want. They may actually be truly victimized in some sense, but that’s not the core reason for their unreasonable demands; the narcissism is.
Add to all this that this generation, raised with the utmost entitlement, is being loosed upon the world at a time in which no one can expect to live a better life than their parents- a time of economic downturn, instability, political unrest and environmental collapse- and compound it with a dash of escapism, and you truly have a disaster in the making.
Western nations have totally failed young people in recent times. We (and as an older millennial whose career aspirations got derailed by the recession right as I was graduating from university, I count myself among those who have been let down) have to take responsibility for having failed as a society, too; so we are all somewhat responsible for the rise of these fragile people with their fragile “identities.”
*narcissistic personality disorder/masking low self-esteem- I really need to proofread before I press “post!”
But yes, there is a whole generation of young people completely unprepared for life, who are about to go through some very difficult times, in these next 20-40 years. It’s really frightening.
As Liew says, sport is unfair and is just sport. Therefire, in the interests of diversity and inclusion let's mandate a transman plays in the squad of every premiership team.
We all know if men's sports were being affected the same way by including women that the outrage would be fierce and the reversal of policy swift. It just wouldn't happen.
Oh what a wonderful bunch these fine, upstanding citizens are!
Our future is as good as sealed. Hooray!
Too often these days, facts from the US are meant to be accepted in the UK as facts from our past. They are thrown at us with speed and conviction and people start to believe that they do mean something over here. Well, they don't. It is like comparing apples with camels. Our apples are way more inclusive to the US camels. We haven't always got it right, but we didn't have legal segregation in the way it was in the US. We haven't had the ghettos in the same way as thee has been in the US. And our politics are way different too. When are the people in power in the UK going to call out the people who justify their own behaviour by using data and facts from the US that have no meaning in the UK.
I will never understand why elected governments ,public bodies ,academics ( who are arguably the "intelligent " people amongst us ), and the medical profession are wilfully blind to the very real dangers of this absolutely Toxic agenda promoted by these misogynistic predators who pretend to support "trans rights " but really only want to prey on women and children and indeed erase women as a sex class ,completely from society.!! It's a RAPIST'S ,PAEDOPHILE''S and MURDERE'S' charter and the cowardly sycophants who allow this to happen will have as much blood on their hands as the perpetrators !!