I’ve come to the conclusion that it’ll take either a class action, or a lot of lawsuits in the US for all the cowards to finally admit they were wrong and for the hand-wringing to begin. It is always the case - you look at the history and it has happened over and over again. Bad people - mostly men - are never stopped in time, partly because they are men - men in charge didn’t listen to women and girls in Rochdale, and they didn’t listen to nurses and matrons in Savile’s case. I want to be wrong about this, and there are rumours that the lawsuits are coming soon.
It is my understanding that many of the detransitioners take the attitude that they only have themselves to blame, because they were convinced at the time (through social contagion) that they were right. Many of them want to crawl into a dark room and be left alone with the consquences of their childish decision making. Many of them are ashamed and horrified - not just because of what they did to their own bodies, but what they put their families through (even the affirming families). There will only be a few that will have the strength to follow through to court, in my opinion.
I can understand that. I feel heartbroken for them and furious about all the enablers, not least the medical professionals. I know that many have tried to raise alarm, and so many have left the Tavistock - it’s to their credit. I do hope though that eventually, there will be cases in the US - if one person wins, then others will follow. Hopefully, Keira will win, and though it is a different country, this might give detransitioners in other countries hope and strength to do it.
‘Child Hater’. Dear God. The people who make these decisions must be waking up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night, jolted out of sleep by the cognitive dissonance wrangling with their conscience. I have no idea how they come back from this.
The number of detransitioners is growing, said one comment, and the massive lawsuits are just around the corner. I hope they are and that it makes a difference to all this.
Yes, the number of detransitioners is growing and behind nearly every one of those is a family who have either been completely rejected or, in some cases, parents who are deeply traumatised because their child, who no longer looks or sounds like the child they once knew, realises that it's all a terrible mistake. I cannot begin to imagine how difficult that must be, especially for parents of estranged children who accept them back into the fold with open arms. Whilst I agree that it seems to be girls who are mostly caught up in this, very few people talk about the boys, or indeed the parents. But then we're not really allowed to talk about any of this, are we? Yet again, a reminder that speaking the truth is forbidden. I despair of the world we live in. :(
No one takes pornography and abuse of women down that quickly...or at all. Get with the distracting programme it gets taken down because it challenges predatory men.
Wow.We would expect from atleast the trans fellows like Munroe to empathize with kids and the curse they will Carry for the rest of their lives. I mean Munroe is a dude who has now a neo vagina, or whatever they get after a surgery. He now takes hormones perhaps for the rest of his life to be called a woman and suffer all way long, and yet he is advocating and calling for kids to be sterlizes and chemically castrated ? And they call JK Rowling bigot for only putting Her views in public, I mean She dint even address or call for support.
Besides what's up with lets call kids for transing ? Is this creating an army of third species ? Some sick joke ?
I'm not sure empathy is any kind of forte for a population with such a high % of comorbid clinical narcissism tbh.
The call for kids to trans themselves is explained by the fact that it throws the heat off the fact that adult AGP males are motivated to transition by their sexuality. They cape behind the innocence of young natal girls transitioning, in the first instance. I can only surmise the other motivations from interactions I've seen between some of these creeps and much younger trans-identified females.
Thank you so much, Gauri. That's quite lovely of you to say so! This article didn't take too long to write - a couple of hours - as I already had much of material to hand. I'd already written about the 'child catchers' mentioned so I knew where to find the links & information. Sometimes the research can be quite time consuming as I end up following a lead down a rabbit hole. Or several rabbit holes! The Aimee Challenor piece, for example, took over a week to put together. But it's worth the effort if it opens a few eyes. We all fight in whatever way we can. xx
That piece would have required a level of gastrointestinal fortitude and forbearance that is rare indeed, JL. Sadly, I had already read quite a lot about the individual concerned, and it's really not 'bedtime reading'.
Still, that it had to be published on a blog, rather than having major publications clamour for it is the most shocking thing, I think.
I have a very strong stomach! But, yes, I agree. That a man charged with such heinous crimes could be allowed to have such influence over a major political party should be on the front page of The Guardian. (And, at one time, would've been.)
You are doing the real work JL, going down those nasty dark places must be taking so much Strength. A week for Chancellor Piece !!!!!!! Whoa Whoa , You deserve some good appreciation for sure. I am surprised how You can Always dig in the right places to be honest. All of us can see the same tweets as well, but unless You dig them up we never come across them on our timelines, strange !!!!! Lucky to have You on non woke end 😜😜😜😜😜
It's a never healing hole which they have to dilate regularly, forever.
I used to refer to it as a never healing horror hole, but that is cruel because these poor souls should not be mocked for the awful damage they are convinced to get done. The only men in the cult of transology I feel true pity for are the ones who were convinced to have this done:
WARNING these videos are HORRIFYING. Be very aware that you might be triggered by watching this gruesome operation.
Most men don't have the operation, of course. I believe the number according to GIRES is 95 percent of trans identified males KEEP their fully intact genitals. An increasing number of girls want surgery though. Girls groomed by men who keep their own genitals intact.
Very Very Fair point indeed. This is madness. It looks so horrible and painful and top that with boat loads of blood transfusions and hormones and what not. Why would someone without dysphoria opt for all this crap. I can't imagining cutting my body open for anything , not even to get any artificial implants or beauty stuff. The monthly eyebrows and facial is enough a horrible task for me to go through. I just can't imagine why someone would do that to themselves.
I think the tiny percentage of men who do get this done are genuinely dysphoric yes. Most of them keep their cock and balls, of course. So cruel to damage them for life, forever, instead of teaching them to come to terms with their own healthy bodies.
I would prefer it to be that way. Lauren makes an excellent example, from LGB Alliance Ireland. She lives with dysphoria, but hasn't undergone surgery. Nor does She declare Herself as a Man. It must be some real trouble living with it, yet She amazingly manages. People should learn from such great examples. Next to look up to is Keira Bell. She is trying to get Her life back. Hope Her case will be an eye opener as well.
Thanks for the warning. I am skipping my lunch for sure. This isn't doing good on my mental health for sure. It's gory and gruesome. How did You come across this. 😳😳😳😳😳
This is some serious sick crap. Who would want to do this to their teens or toddlers. And why !!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Alice Anne, I'm very sorry to hear this. My sincere love to all your family. I have a wonderful God daughter who is just turned 16. She's very 'gender non-conforming'. Doesn't own a skirt, has a number one haircut, loves engineering & is always elbows deep in grease etc. She seems perfectly self-assured and together but I live in fear of her being pounced on by the internet cultists. I do hope your girl finds her way back. Sounds like you're all doing everything you can for her. She's lucky to have you. x
A brilliant, though heartbreaking post. Thank you! I’m forever grateful my child won’t fall into this cult’s clutches. Female puberty is tough at the best of times - this cult has only made it harder, and while my generation of girls did suffer from eating disorders, struggled with body image etc, many, if not most of us, eventually made peace with our bodies, had children etc, they will live with irreversible damage.
Oh, good gawd I'm so sorry. I truly wouldn't know what to do - she's angry that nobody's challenged her, yet wants constant affirmation? That must be an utter nightmare...
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you HADN'T ever challenged her.
I think she sounds fairly manipulative and maladaptive in various ways, but whether that's due to exposure to this particular cult or something else I (obviously) have no idea. It's very, very sad. Clearly, I think that therapists involved with these people should be doing something other than merely affirming the bloody trans narrative - these people are vulnerable, FFS!
I’ve come to the conclusion that it’ll take either a class action, or a lot of lawsuits in the US for all the cowards to finally admit they were wrong and for the hand-wringing to begin. It is always the case - you look at the history and it has happened over and over again. Bad people - mostly men - are never stopped in time, partly because they are men - men in charge didn’t listen to women and girls in Rochdale, and they didn’t listen to nurses and matrons in Savile’s case. I want to be wrong about this, and there are rumours that the lawsuits are coming soon.
I agree Anna. I think (fear) it'll take a Kid's Club / Savile style scandal. But I also think (fear) that this can't be far away.
It is my understanding that many of the detransitioners take the attitude that they only have themselves to blame, because they were convinced at the time (through social contagion) that they were right. Many of them want to crawl into a dark room and be left alone with the consquences of their childish decision making. Many of them are ashamed and horrified - not just because of what they did to their own bodies, but what they put their families through (even the affirming families). There will only be a few that will have the strength to follow through to court, in my opinion.
I can understand that. I feel heartbroken for them and furious about all the enablers, not least the medical professionals. I know that many have tried to raise alarm, and so many have left the Tavistock - it’s to their credit. I do hope though that eventually, there will be cases in the US - if one person wins, then others will follow. Hopefully, Keira will win, and though it is a different country, this might give detransitioners in other countries hope and strength to do it.
The Keira Bell case has implications on many levels. If she wins, I am hopeful that more people will come forward.
Yes, I think we'll see a huge tidal wave of law suits in the next few years.
100 percent true.
‘Child Hater’. Dear God. The people who make these decisions must be waking up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night, jolted out of sleep by the cognitive dissonance wrangling with their conscience. I have no idea how they come back from this.
Exactly.
The number of detransitioners is growing, said one comment, and the massive lawsuits are just around the corner. I hope they are and that it makes a difference to all this.
Yes, the number of detransitioners is growing and behind nearly every one of those is a family who have either been completely rejected or, in some cases, parents who are deeply traumatised because their child, who no longer looks or sounds like the child they once knew, realises that it's all a terrible mistake. I cannot begin to imagine how difficult that must be, especially for parents of estranged children who accept them back into the fold with open arms. Whilst I agree that it seems to be girls who are mostly caught up in this, very few people talk about the boys, or indeed the parents. But then we're not really allowed to talk about any of this, are we? Yet again, a reminder that speaking the truth is forbidden. I despair of the world we live in. :(
No one takes pornography and abuse of women down that quickly...or at all. Get with the distracting programme it gets taken down because it challenges predatory men.
I can feel another Tweet (I am @Stranswidows) to Psychology Today... I wrote - Toady - perfect!
Wow.We would expect from atleast the trans fellows like Munroe to empathize with kids and the curse they will Carry for the rest of their lives. I mean Munroe is a dude who has now a neo vagina, or whatever they get after a surgery. He now takes hormones perhaps for the rest of his life to be called a woman and suffer all way long, and yet he is advocating and calling for kids to be sterlizes and chemically castrated ? And they call JK Rowling bigot for only putting Her views in public, I mean She dint even address or call for support.
Besides what's up with lets call kids for transing ? Is this creating an army of third species ? Some sick joke ?
I'm not sure empathy is any kind of forte for a population with such a high % of comorbid clinical narcissism tbh.
The call for kids to trans themselves is explained by the fact that it throws the heat off the fact that adult AGP males are motivated to transition by their sexuality. They cape behind the innocence of young natal girls transitioning, in the first instance. I can only surmise the other motivations from interactions I've seen between some of these creeps and much younger trans-identified females.
Thanks So much JL. You do quite a lot of work to find all of this and put it together for us. Fabulous as ever You are 👍.
How much time did it take to put all of this together, just curious
Thank you so much, Gauri. That's quite lovely of you to say so! This article didn't take too long to write - a couple of hours - as I already had much of material to hand. I'd already written about the 'child catchers' mentioned so I knew where to find the links & information. Sometimes the research can be quite time consuming as I end up following a lead down a rabbit hole. Or several rabbit holes! The Aimee Challenor piece, for example, took over a week to put together. But it's worth the effort if it opens a few eyes. We all fight in whatever way we can. xx
That piece would have required a level of gastrointestinal fortitude and forbearance that is rare indeed, JL. Sadly, I had already read quite a lot about the individual concerned, and it's really not 'bedtime reading'.
Still, that it had to be published on a blog, rather than having major publications clamour for it is the most shocking thing, I think.
I have a very strong stomach! But, yes, I agree. That a man charged with such heinous crimes could be allowed to have such influence over a major political party should be on the front page of The Guardian. (And, at one time, would've been.)
You are doing the real work JL, going down those nasty dark places must be taking so much Strength. A week for Chancellor Piece !!!!!!! Whoa Whoa , You deserve some good appreciation for sure. I am surprised how You can Always dig in the right places to be honest. All of us can see the same tweets as well, but unless You dig them up we never come across them on our timelines, strange !!!!! Lucky to have You on non woke end 😜😜😜😜😜
Thank you, Gauri! x
It's a never healing hole which they have to dilate regularly, forever.
I used to refer to it as a never healing horror hole, but that is cruel because these poor souls should not be mocked for the awful damage they are convinced to get done. The only men in the cult of transology I feel true pity for are the ones who were convinced to have this done:
WARNING these videos are HORRIFYING. Be very aware that you might be triggered by watching this gruesome operation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pDHXNinnMo&ab_channel=GreenJournal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue9dkgaLJTM&ab_channel=DrAishwaryaKelkar
And what is done to women who undergo surgery. Again WARNING this is deeply disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdyWZKYm7i8&t=186s&ab_channel=OlmecTransgender%7CSexChangeSurgeryinDelhiIndia
Most men don't have the operation, of course. I believe the number according to GIRES is 95 percent of trans identified males KEEP their fully intact genitals. An increasing number of girls want surgery though. Girls groomed by men who keep their own genitals intact.
Very Very Fair point indeed. This is madness. It looks so horrible and painful and top that with boat loads of blood transfusions and hormones and what not. Why would someone without dysphoria opt for all this crap. I can't imagining cutting my body open for anything , not even to get any artificial implants or beauty stuff. The monthly eyebrows and facial is enough a horrible task for me to go through. I just can't imagine why someone would do that to themselves.
I think the tiny percentage of men who do get this done are genuinely dysphoric yes. Most of them keep their cock and balls, of course. So cruel to damage them for life, forever, instead of teaching them to come to terms with their own healthy bodies.
I would prefer it to be that way. Lauren makes an excellent example, from LGB Alliance Ireland. She lives with dysphoria, but hasn't undergone surgery. Nor does She declare Herself as a Man. It must be some real trouble living with it, yet She amazingly manages. People should learn from such great examples. Next to look up to is Keira Bell. She is trying to get Her life back. Hope Her case will be an eye opener as well.
Yeah - it's not for me, I'm afraid.
I don't need to watch that to appreciate the horror, honestly.
Thanks for the warning. I am skipping my lunch for sure. This isn't doing good on my mental health for sure. It's gory and gruesome. How did You come across this. 😳😳😳😳😳
This is some serious sick crap. Who would want to do this to their teens or toddlers. And why !!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Alice Anne, I'm very sorry to hear this. My sincere love to all your family. I have a wonderful God daughter who is just turned 16. She's very 'gender non-conforming'. Doesn't own a skirt, has a number one haircut, loves engineering & is always elbows deep in grease etc. She seems perfectly self-assured and together but I live in fear of her being pounced on by the internet cultists. I do hope your girl finds her way back. Sounds like you're all doing everything you can for her. She's lucky to have you. x
My heart breaks for you all, Alice Ann. But she's lucky to have a family who love her so much. xx
A brilliant, though heartbreaking post. Thank you! I’m forever grateful my child won’t fall into this cult’s clutches. Female puberty is tough at the best of times - this cult has only made it harder, and while my generation of girls did suffer from eating disorders, struggled with body image etc, many, if not most of us, eventually made peace with our bodies, had children etc, they will live with irreversible damage.
Oh, good gawd I'm so sorry. I truly wouldn't know what to do - she's angry that nobody's challenged her, yet wants constant affirmation? That must be an utter nightmare...
*I mean it sounds like she wants to be challenged on some level, at least.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you HADN'T ever challenged her.
I think she sounds fairly manipulative and maladaptive in various ways, but whether that's due to exposure to this particular cult or something else I (obviously) have no idea. It's very, very sad. Clearly, I think that therapists involved with these people should be doing something other than merely affirming the bloody trans narrative - these people are vulnerable, FFS!
you're *not* sure with her moods - typo.