They’ve been baaad for a while now. Two years ago my daughter was in Brownies, and her friend moved up to guides, being 10 years old. After her first session at guides, her mother noticed she was very quiet and teary. On questioning her, it transpired they had played ‘career charades’, and her daughter had pulled out, and attempted to act out, the profession of … ‘Stripper’ (she had no idea what a stripper was).
And no, these weren’t slips put in by the girls themselves, but by the Girl Scout leader. Girl’s mother phoned the leader, received an apology and was assured it wouldn’t happen again.
How any adult could think it is ok to introduce sex or issues linked to it, to a space for children is beyond me. We seem to be losing all sense of what is appropriate these days.
Because those who have no boundaries, no sense or understanding of 'what is/is not appropriate' have been allowed to get into positions of power, create endless 'charities/organizations' and get inside the heads of innocent children and stupid adults, many adults terrified to speak out, to take a stand, just 'doing my job'. It is truly terrifying.
It's been covered here recently - there is an element of trans activism that is a cover for paedophilia. Sexualising children through "education" is part of the game-plan, and feeds into extending childhood via puberty-blockers etc. The trans lobby has some roots in the old Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), and they seem to be playing a very long game. Groups like Girl Guides should be helping children to avoid potential predators, not doing their groundwork.
My word. I thought identifying trees through their leaves and making bookmarks was a bit boring at Brownies when I was 8 or 9. But very useful. I'm so glad I was there in the boring days. This is coaching us into being victims and powerless. Why isn't there a mass walk-out by parents and carers?
My pants were taken from my bag and hoist up the flagpole one morning when camping with the Guides. They were sturdy and someone said they were boys ones, so I was too ashamed to ever claim them as mine. Ooh and we were supposed to be orienteering (no idea at the time what that meant) and so I walked us along a road and got into trouble for taking the shortest route and following signs so we were the first team back. I decided to leave after that and my mother agreed it was probably for the best...
"Sex and relationships guidance ISN'T part of the formal programme but we believe that we share a responsibility to respond in a positive way to the sex and relationships education needs of our young members."
My translation: WE (guess who) think you girls have a need to know all about ALL the genders-not-biological-sex & about sexual matters, from paid kneetremblers to the marital bed, before you reach the age of consent.
OK, girls that age are intensely curious & have questions. Also about sexual matters. If asked leaders should ofc answer, if q/a is age appropriate. I very much doubt the average Brownie or Guide expresses a burning desire to know everything about all the genders. And anyway there's the internet - sigh.
An organization doing so much good for girls, since the days of Olave Baden Powell, hijacked by people with an agenda.
Indeed Aimee Challenor still looms large - & I think I've found a pic of him in gg-plumage :
They should certainly not be telling them about "all the genders"!! They should be telling them (in this safe, all-female space) that it's a load of nonsense and giving them the counter-arguments to use with their mates, teachers, the celebs they follow etc.
If something like this happens, a parent could report it to the GG Safeguarding Officer, who should report it to the LADO - (local authority designated officer) for the relevant local authority. I think this just applies to England, not sure about the rest of the UK. The LADO would liaise with the police and would monitor GG's investigation.
If this had happened in a school, one would hope that the staff member would at the very least have received management advice. Organisations like GG are covered by the same procedures. I think there will be more and more examples like this where boundaries are blurred and they need to be dealt with via allegations management / safeguarding procedures.
Thank you for sharing this. I am constantly sickened by what GG are doing, becoming more desperate for attention. As a leader of the youngest age group my sexuality is of absolutely no relevance to other leaders or the little girls. Can we now expect all of the other infinite genders to get a shout out? Hopefully parents will start asking questions now.
What sort of person wants to introduce the idea of sexuality/sexual orientation to girls who haven't even reached puberty? We already know the answer to that.
What's mind-blowing is that this story won't even make most mainstream media outlets. The Daily Mail will probably do something but not a headline story and, buried in among all the Daily Mail's regular hysteria, it won't widely register.
This is a story about adults introducing primary school-age kids to sexual concepts, and the media are too scared to report it. It's truly pathetic.
The Daily Mail.have featured a number of reports on, it could covered the report by Caroline Lowbridge, the resignation of Kathleen Stock and a piece on the activities of some gender ideology fixated students at Leeds university. As you say, reports like this probably won't be headlines, but they are being given a place among the many items on Harry and Meghan, the Queen and umpteen celebrities.
The Guardian and the Mail.are two cheeks of the same arse, both are literalist, black and white, bigoted, and enduringly hostile towards views that don't mirror their own. But at least the latter has presented these stories in a more explicit and less generalised way.
It might be a slower process than it should be, but eventually the msm will have to stop ignoring this. The media that currently congratulates itself for being such sterling allies of misogyny and homophobia, particularly where lesbians are concerned, will have to endure the disrepute it brought on itself and, I hope, suffer for it.
Slightly off topic, but the Stock story is peaking my entire family, by the sounds of it. My Mum asked about it last week - she's 70, retired, and generally avoiding the news at the moment because it's "too depressing", but she picked up on it and asked me about it. (I lecture at Sussex. In biology. Won't that be fun now the TRAs have got their way...). She already thought it was disgusting that "that poor woman" had been bullied out of her job, so clearly what little she had picked up on didn't paint the TRAs in a good light. Anyway I explained and she was pretty horrified. Then my sister phoned me about it last night. Like me, she's as socially liberal as they come, and she had read the Guardian article and STILL thought it shocking that Stock had been bullied out. So again I explained and she was horrified too. Interestingly, she works as a solicitor for the Government Legal Service and has an advisory role on an Equalities and Inclusion Committee, although she says this is mostly keeping an eye on what case law is saying. I told her to look up the Reindorf Report. Anyway, my point is that if it registered with my Mum - it's going to be registering up and down the country, and not in favour with the TRAs.
I'd like someone else from the U.S. to confirm this perception. The mainstream media are not reporting Loudon County or the Wi Spa incident, but I have noticed considerably fewer stories about trans in the local and national media. It seemed for a while there that Portland, Maine, TV station channel 6 just couldn't get enough of a trans fix.
Agree with this assessment. Mainstream media (NYTimes, and WaPo) have ignored Loudoun County and WiSpa, with one exception: The governor's race in Virginia (where Loudoun is located) has now become hotly contested, with the Republican candidate now in a dead heat with the Democratic candidate, who was formerly favored to win easily.
What changed? The R candidate (Youngkin) got a big bump from repudiating the D candidate's education position (McAuliffe said parents' role in their children’s education should be limited). However, in covering this state governorship race, mainstream news ignores the school district's trans policy, and the two sexual assaults in Loudoun, instead attributing the closeness of the race to (1) CRT being promoted in schools and (2) racism.
However, I gather Fox News cable TV does cover the trans issue in Virginia and in other state elections, as do conservative print news outlets (Wash. Times, Wash. Examiner, National Review, for ex.). Election Day is Tuesday, Nov. 2 for many state races.
Finally, The New York Times (paywalled) ran an opinion column yesterday Oct 30, by Michelle Goldberg, who stated that because one victim knew the perp, the trans rape story was really only a relationship violence story—which the right wing was ginning up for political reasons. Haven’t read all the 400+ comments to her column yet, but was glad to see a good percentage of replies were NOT buying this slant. A good number of replies from the NYT's usually very left wing readership seemed familiar with reasons against freely allowing male-bodied students into female toilets & dressing rooms etc, for safeguarding and female physical safety.
So despite the biggies' silence, these issues are beginning to seep into the public forum, in the US. That's my take.
DM & Grauniad are ok for a quick news fix - just skip the comments! Fortunately there are other papers out there, impartial & just reporting the facts, non-partisan editors & journos. Go paper-hunting on the net.(Beware: Paywalls are the enemy of news addicts!)
I think there is too much uncritical criticism of DM stories. Yes there is a lot of dross, and some hysteria. And the awful focus on slebs (sidebar of shame). And most of their opinion pieces have an obvious right-wing perspective. But they also publish a high volume of serious news on all topics (including world politics, culture etc), often days before a story is picked up by other outlets. I often scroll through their website and am not ashamed to admit it. I can apply my own critical filters.
I agree. People often dismiss an article just because it is in the Daily Mail. That's not critical thinking, it's bias. The Telegraph publish articles on gender ideology as well, but you have to subscribe to read them sadly.
This is just terrifying. And nauseating. My kids are too old for such things now, thank goodness. But I seriously pity any parents with that dilemma ahead of them.
And GIRLS need to have "awareness and understanding" of other people's hormonal deficiencies or sex issues in general because...? These people are absolutely barking mad. What are they planning next for the girls? Erectile Dysfunction Awareness Week?
I never thought I'd see the day when I was ashamed to admit I was once a Girl Guide. The same institution that stopped me wearing trousers as a kid (it HAD to be a skirt) and made it very difficult to take girls camping as opposed to how easy it was for the boy scouts to go, now thinks it's ok to break down the appropriate and necessary wall of sexuality between adults and children. How times change.
It’s a story as old as time: too many people unquestioningly trust an aged institution which has (had!) a reputation for being fundamentally decent.
Just the same as the BBC covering for Savile, Churches of various persuasions covering for paedophilia and other abuses, UK Police forces being institutionally racist and misogynist… predators know where to go to take advantage of both a veneer of respectability and power-imbalanced interactions with their intended victims.
And of course the example set by the Queen in respect to her allegedly sexually abusive son: what a missed opportunity to have insisted he behaved with decency and immediately cooperated with the police investigation. But no, just shielding, covering for, essentially aiding and abetting. We are exposed to some very perverse ideas of loyalty and integrity.
And I knew when I was a kid that government and its institutions were very suspect. Maybe because I grew up during the American war in Vietnam when we were told that bombing Vietnamese peasants was good and just. But my parents were very political and my mother in particular was extremely skeptical (unfortunately not of academia).
Hi everyone. Does anyone have a good shortish explanation of why sex and not gender is important.
That lays it out quite rationally and ‘objectively’. My 13yr old daughter has been captured and I’ve just had her telling me that a trans-woman is a woman and that it’s ‘how someone believes themselves to be and not what biology you have that’s most important’. I ended up talking and talking and she started rolling her eyes.
(We got onto this subject as she wanted to wear a dinosaur costume for Halloween and I had to explain that this year that is a bit of a political statement!)
Wow. Sex exists and gender does not is a good place to start. And show her some pictures online of "transwomen" who want to tell you they are women. I would start with a good explanation of gender and the fact that it is performance and not biology. Let her roll her eyes and don't be put off by it. Whenever she brings the subject up, be prepared to talk with her about it and just be consistent and open. I hate that kids are exposed to this stuff rather than what is really going on in the world. Does she have anything she's really interested in?
Time for parents to start a new organization with strict safeguarding. Parents could start a naturalist club, a birding club, a sewing club, a multifaceted club, anything! but yak about adult sexuality and gender hallucination.
I had a look at their recruitment equality monitoring: https://twitter.com/Sexnotgender_/status/1454580319177281540
Yes, it is as bad as you'd expect...
They’ve been baaad for a while now. Two years ago my daughter was in Brownies, and her friend moved up to guides, being 10 years old. After her first session at guides, her mother noticed she was very quiet and teary. On questioning her, it transpired they had played ‘career charades’, and her daughter had pulled out, and attempted to act out, the profession of … ‘Stripper’ (she had no idea what a stripper was).
And no, these weren’t slips put in by the girls themselves, but by the Girl Scout leader. Girl’s mother phoned the leader, received an apology and was assured it wouldn’t happen again.
I didn’t let my daughter join guides.
That's appalling.
How any adult could think it is ok to introduce sex or issues linked to it, to a space for children is beyond me. We seem to be losing all sense of what is appropriate these days.
Because those who have no boundaries, no sense or understanding of 'what is/is not appropriate' have been allowed to get into positions of power, create endless 'charities/organizations' and get inside the heads of innocent children and stupid adults, many adults terrified to speak out, to take a stand, just 'doing my job'. It is truly terrifying.
It's been covered here recently - there is an element of trans activism that is a cover for paedophilia. Sexualising children through "education" is part of the game-plan, and feeds into extending childhood via puberty-blockers etc. The trans lobby has some roots in the old Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), and they seem to be playing a very long game. Groups like Girl Guides should be helping children to avoid potential predators, not doing their groundwork.
My word. I thought identifying trees through their leaves and making bookmarks was a bit boring at Brownies when I was 8 or 9. But very useful. I'm so glad I was there in the boring days. This is coaching us into being victims and powerless. Why isn't there a mass walk-out by parents and carers?
My pants were taken from my bag and hoist up the flagpole one morning when camping with the Guides. They were sturdy and someone said they were boys ones, so I was too ashamed to ever claim them as mine. Ooh and we were supposed to be orienteering (no idea at the time what that meant) and so I walked us along a road and got into trouble for taking the shortest route and following signs so we were the first team back. I decided to leave after that and my mother agreed it was probably for the best...
Oh goddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd!
"Sex and relationships guidance ISN'T part of the formal programme but we believe that we share a responsibility to respond in a positive way to the sex and relationships education needs of our young members."
(from https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen - very interesting reading!)
My translation: WE (guess who) think you girls have a need to know all about ALL the genders-not-biological-sex & about sexual matters, from paid kneetremblers to the marital bed, before you reach the age of consent.
OK, girls that age are intensely curious & have questions. Also about sexual matters. If asked leaders should ofc answer, if q/a is age appropriate. I very much doubt the average Brownie or Guide expresses a burning desire to know everything about all the genders. And anyway there's the internet - sigh.
An organization doing so much good for girls, since the days of Olave Baden Powell, hijacked by people with an agenda.
Indeed Aimee Challenor still looms large - & I think I've found a pic of him in gg-plumage :
https://duz92c7qaoni3.cloudfront.net/images/Mentoring_Group.2e16d0ba.fill-800x550-c50.jpg
They should certainly not be telling them about "all the genders"!! They should be telling them (in this safe, all-female space) that it's a load of nonsense and giving them the counter-arguments to use with their mates, teachers, the celebs they follow etc.
Pretty sure no Challenor there.
If something like this happens, a parent could report it to the GG Safeguarding Officer, who should report it to the LADO - (local authority designated officer) for the relevant local authority. I think this just applies to England, not sure about the rest of the UK. The LADO would liaise with the police and would monitor GG's investigation.
If this had happened in a school, one would hope that the staff member would at the very least have received management advice. Organisations like GG are covered by the same procedures. I think there will be more and more examples like this where boundaries are blurred and they need to be dealt with via allegations management / safeguarding procedures.
Thank you for sharing this. I am constantly sickened by what GG are doing, becoming more desperate for attention. As a leader of the youngest age group my sexuality is of absolutely no relevance to other leaders or the little girls. Can we now expect all of the other infinite genders to get a shout out? Hopefully parents will start asking questions now.
Girl Groomers
...normalising the sex industry, that's healthy. Not at all part of the AGP narrative of women being at their most female when they are used for sex.
Katie Alcock still crowdfunding her case against GG- I know we're all maxed out on this but so many good cases to support.
What sort of person wants to introduce the idea of sexuality/sexual orientation to girls who haven't even reached puberty? We already know the answer to that.
What's mind-blowing is that this story won't even make most mainstream media outlets. The Daily Mail will probably do something but not a headline story and, buried in among all the Daily Mail's regular hysteria, it won't widely register.
This is a story about adults introducing primary school-age kids to sexual concepts, and the media are too scared to report it. It's truly pathetic.
The Daily Mail.have featured a number of reports on, it could covered the report by Caroline Lowbridge, the resignation of Kathleen Stock and a piece on the activities of some gender ideology fixated students at Leeds university. As you say, reports like this probably won't be headlines, but they are being given a place among the many items on Harry and Meghan, the Queen and umpteen celebrities.
The Guardian and the Mail.are two cheeks of the same arse, both are literalist, black and white, bigoted, and enduringly hostile towards views that don't mirror their own. But at least the latter has presented these stories in a more explicit and less generalised way.
It might be a slower process than it should be, but eventually the msm will have to stop ignoring this. The media that currently congratulates itself for being such sterling allies of misogyny and homophobia, particularly where lesbians are concerned, will have to endure the disrepute it brought on itself and, I hope, suffer for it.
Slightly off topic, but the Stock story is peaking my entire family, by the sounds of it. My Mum asked about it last week - she's 70, retired, and generally avoiding the news at the moment because it's "too depressing", but she picked up on it and asked me about it. (I lecture at Sussex. In biology. Won't that be fun now the TRAs have got their way...). She already thought it was disgusting that "that poor woman" had been bullied out of her job, so clearly what little she had picked up on didn't paint the TRAs in a good light. Anyway I explained and she was pretty horrified. Then my sister phoned me about it last night. Like me, she's as socially liberal as they come, and she had read the Guardian article and STILL thought it shocking that Stock had been bullied out. So again I explained and she was horrified too. Interestingly, she works as a solicitor for the Government Legal Service and has an advisory role on an Equalities and Inclusion Committee, although she says this is mostly keeping an eye on what case law is saying. I told her to look up the Reindorf Report. Anyway, my point is that if it registered with my Mum - it's going to be registering up and down the country, and not in favour with the TRAs.
that's very reassuring
I'd like someone else from the U.S. to confirm this perception. The mainstream media are not reporting Loudon County or the Wi Spa incident, but I have noticed considerably fewer stories about trans in the local and national media. It seemed for a while there that Portland, Maine, TV station channel 6 just couldn't get enough of a trans fix.
Agree with this assessment. Mainstream media (NYTimes, and WaPo) have ignored Loudoun County and WiSpa, with one exception: The governor's race in Virginia (where Loudoun is located) has now become hotly contested, with the Republican candidate now in a dead heat with the Democratic candidate, who was formerly favored to win easily.
What changed? The R candidate (Youngkin) got a big bump from repudiating the D candidate's education position (McAuliffe said parents' role in their children’s education should be limited). However, in covering this state governorship race, mainstream news ignores the school district's trans policy, and the two sexual assaults in Loudoun, instead attributing the closeness of the race to (1) CRT being promoted in schools and (2) racism.
However, I gather Fox News cable TV does cover the trans issue in Virginia and in other state elections, as do conservative print news outlets (Wash. Times, Wash. Examiner, National Review, for ex.). Election Day is Tuesday, Nov. 2 for many state races.
Finally, The New York Times (paywalled) ran an opinion column yesterday Oct 30, by Michelle Goldberg, who stated that because one victim knew the perp, the trans rape story was really only a relationship violence story—which the right wing was ginning up for political reasons. Haven’t read all the 400+ comments to her column yet, but was glad to see a good percentage of replies were NOT buying this slant. A good number of replies from the NYT's usually very left wing readership seemed familiar with reasons against freely allowing male-bodied students into female toilets & dressing rooms etc, for safeguarding and female physical safety.
So despite the biggies' silence, these issues are beginning to seep into the public forum, in the US. That's my take.
DM & Grauniad are ok for a quick news fix - just skip the comments! Fortunately there are other papers out there, impartial & just reporting the facts, non-partisan editors & journos. Go paper-hunting on the net.(Beware: Paywalls are the enemy of news addicts!)
I think there is too much uncritical criticism of DM stories. Yes there is a lot of dross, and some hysteria. And the awful focus on slebs (sidebar of shame). And most of their opinion pieces have an obvious right-wing perspective. But they also publish a high volume of serious news on all topics (including world politics, culture etc), often days before a story is picked up by other outlets. I often scroll through their website and am not ashamed to admit it. I can apply my own critical filters.
I agree. People often dismiss an article just because it is in the Daily Mail. That's not critical thinking, it's bias. The Telegraph publish articles on gender ideology as well, but you have to subscribe to read them sadly.
Plus it's free!! The ads are extremely annoying, though ;)
This is just terrifying. And nauseating. My kids are too old for such things now, thank goodness. But I seriously pity any parents with that dilemma ahead of them.
And GIRLS need to have "awareness and understanding" of other people's hormonal deficiencies or sex issues in general because...? These people are absolutely barking mad. What are they planning next for the girls? Erectile Dysfunction Awareness Week?
I never thought I'd see the day when I was ashamed to admit I was once a Girl Guide. The same institution that stopped me wearing trousers as a kid (it HAD to be a skirt) and made it very difficult to take girls camping as opposed to how easy it was for the boy scouts to go, now thinks it's ok to break down the appropriate and necessary wall of sexuality between adults and children. How times change.
Same, I am ashamed to have supported Amnesty and Oxfam 😢
You’re worth every penny, I’m so pissed off I’m upgrading my subs x
Stripper as a career choice 🤔
Thats healthy.
Absolutely horrendous. I hope the mum took it to the local paper.
Why can’t people see it? What happened to their brains?
It’s a story as old as time: too many people unquestioningly trust an aged institution which has (had!) a reputation for being fundamentally decent.
Just the same as the BBC covering for Savile, Churches of various persuasions covering for paedophilia and other abuses, UK Police forces being institutionally racist and misogynist… predators know where to go to take advantage of both a veneer of respectability and power-imbalanced interactions with their intended victims.
And of course the example set by the Queen in respect to her allegedly sexually abusive son: what a missed opportunity to have insisted he behaved with decency and immediately cooperated with the police investigation. But no, just shielding, covering for, essentially aiding and abetting. We are exposed to some very perverse ideas of loyalty and integrity.
Absolutely. Also nowadays the prison service/CPS covering up what is happening in women's prisons. Judges seem to be happy to collude in this too.
And I knew when I was a kid that government and its institutions were very suspect. Maybe because I grew up during the American war in Vietnam when we were told that bombing Vietnamese peasants was good and just. But my parents were very political and my mother in particular was extremely skeptical (unfortunately not of academia).
What, indeed?
I don't know where to start with this. I think my head might explode.
Horror everyday with them and it's worse than Trump.
Hi everyone. Does anyone have a good shortish explanation of why sex and not gender is important.
That lays it out quite rationally and ‘objectively’. My 13yr old daughter has been captured and I’ve just had her telling me that a trans-woman is a woman and that it’s ‘how someone believes themselves to be and not what biology you have that’s most important’. I ended up talking and talking and she started rolling her eyes.
(We got onto this subject as she wanted to wear a dinosaur costume for Halloween and I had to explain that this year that is a bit of a political statement!)
https://genderarguments.com
You could have just let her wear the costume 😀🦖
Wow. Sex exists and gender does not is a good place to start. And show her some pictures online of "transwomen" who want to tell you they are women. I would start with a good explanation of gender and the fact that it is performance and not biology. Let her roll her eyes and don't be put off by it. Whenever she brings the subject up, be prepared to talk with her about it and just be consistent and open. I hate that kids are exposed to this stuff rather than what is really going on in the world. Does she have anything she's really interested in?
Time for parents to start a new organization with strict safeguarding. Parents could start a naturalist club, a birding club, a sewing club, a multifaceted club, anything! but yak about adult sexuality and gender hallucination.