They’ve been baaad for a while now. Two years ago my daughter was in Brownies, and her friend moved up to guides, being 10 years old. After her first session at guides, her mother noticed she was very quiet and teary. On questioning her, it transpired they had played ‘career charades’, and her daughter had pulled out, and attempted to act out, the profession of … ‘Stripper’ (she had no idea what a stripper was).
And no, these weren’t slips put in by the girls themselves, but by the Girl Scout leader. Girl’s mother phoned the leader, received an apology and was assured it wouldn’t happen again.
How any adult could think it is ok to introduce sex or issues linked to it, to a space for children is beyond me. We seem to be losing all sense of what is appropriate these days.
Because those who have no boundaries, no sense or understanding of 'what is/is not appropriate' have been allowed to get into positions of power, create endless 'charities/organizations' and get inside the heads of innocent children and stupid adults, many adults terrified to speak out, to take a stand, just 'doing my job'. It is truly terrifying.
It's been covered here recently - there is an element of trans activism that is a cover for paedophilia. Sexualising children through "education" is part of the game-plan, and feeds into extending childhood via puberty-blockers etc. The trans lobby has some roots in the old Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), and they seem to be playing a very long game. Groups like Girl Guides should be helping children to avoid potential predators, not doing their groundwork.
My word. I thought identifying trees through their leaves and making bookmarks was a bit boring at Brownies when I was 8 or 9. But very useful. I'm so glad I was there in the boring days. This is coaching us into being victims and powerless. Why isn't there a mass walk-out by parents and carers?
My pants were taken from my bag and hoist up the flagpole one morning when camping with the Guides. They were sturdy and someone said they were boys ones, so I was too ashamed to ever claim them as mine. Ooh and we were supposed to be orienteering (no idea at the time what that meant) and so I walked us along a road and got into trouble for taking the shortest route and following signs so we were the first team back. I decided to leave after that and my mother agreed it was probably for the best...
"Sex and relationships guidance ISN'T part of the formal programme but we believe that we share a responsibility to respond in a positive way to the sex and relationships education needs of our young members."
My translation: WE (guess who) think you girls have a need to know all about ALL the genders-not-biological-sex & about sexual matters, from paid kneetremblers to the marital bed, before you reach the age of consent.
OK, girls that age are intensely curious & have questions. Also about sexual matters. If asked leaders should ofc answer, if q/a is age appropriate. I very much doubt the average Brownie or Guide expresses a burning desire to know everything about all the genders. And anyway there's the internet - sigh.
An organization doing so much good for girls, since the days of Olave Baden Powell, hijacked by people with an agenda.
Indeed Aimee Challenor still looms large - & I think I've found a pic of him in gg-plumage :
They should certainly not be telling them about "all the genders"!! They should be telling them (in this safe, all-female space) that it's a load of nonsense and giving them the counter-arguments to use with their mates, teachers, the celebs they follow etc.
If something like this happens, a parent could report it to the GG Safeguarding Officer, who should report it to the LADO - (local authority designated officer) for the relevant local authority. I think this just applies to England, not sure about the rest of the UK. The LADO would liaise with the police and would monitor GG's investigation.
If this had happened in a school, one would hope that the staff member would at the very least have received management advice. Organisations like GG are covered by the same procedures. I think there will be more and more examples like this where boundaries are blurred and they need to be dealt with via allegations management / safeguarding procedures.
Thank you for sharing this. I am constantly sickened by what GG are doing, becoming more desperate for attention. As a leader of the youngest age group my sexuality is of absolutely no relevance to other leaders or the little girls. Can we now expect all of the other infinite genders to get a shout out? Hopefully parents will start asking questions now.
This is just terrifying. And nauseating. My kids are too old for such things now, thank goodness. But I seriously pity any parents with that dilemma ahead of them.
And GIRLS need to have "awareness and understanding" of other people's hormonal deficiencies or sex issues in general because...? These people are absolutely barking mad. What are they planning next for the girls? Erectile Dysfunction Awareness Week?
I never thought I'd see the day when I was ashamed to admit I was once a Girl Guide. The same institution that stopped me wearing trousers as a kid (it HAD to be a skirt) and made it very difficult to take girls camping as opposed to how easy it was for the boy scouts to go, now thinks it's ok to break down the appropriate and necessary wall of sexuality between adults and children. How times change.
And I knew when I was a kid that government and its institutions were very suspect. Maybe because I grew up during the American war in Vietnam when we were told that bombing Vietnamese peasants was good and just. But my parents were very political and my mother in particular was extremely skeptical (unfortunately not of academia).
Hi everyone. Does anyone have a good shortish explanation of why sex and not gender is important.
That lays it out quite rationally and ‘objectively’. My 13yr old daughter has been captured and I’ve just had her telling me that a trans-woman is a woman and that it’s ‘how someone believes themselves to be and not what biology you have that’s most important’. I ended up talking and talking and she started rolling her eyes.
(We got onto this subject as she wanted to wear a dinosaur costume for Halloween and I had to explain that this year that is a bit of a political statement!)
Wow. Sex exists and gender does not is a good place to start. And show her some pictures online of "transwomen" who want to tell you they are women. I would start with a good explanation of gender and the fact that it is performance and not biology. Let her roll her eyes and don't be put off by it. Whenever she brings the subject up, be prepared to talk with her about it and just be consistent and open. I hate that kids are exposed to this stuff rather than what is really going on in the world. Does she have anything she's really interested in?
Time for parents to start a new organization with strict safeguarding. Parents could start a naturalist club, a birding club, a sewing club, a multifaceted club, anything! but yak about adult sexuality and gender hallucination.
Every day I think this can’t get any worse and intelligent people will start waking up to reality. But then yet another captured organisation comes out with inappropriate shit like this and I find I’m just despairing
Graham, thank you. That is beyond shocking. As the mother of four boys I never really paid attention to Brownies / Guides (and all the focus seemed to be on how girls were allowed into the Scouts which has been mixed sex for a while, no? So there is no organisation just for boys? Perhaps that is also an issue?)
Good to see the responses to the tweet have all been utterly critical! I liked this one:
I was thinking about the Scouts (mixed) vs Guides (only for girls) yesterday. I think the drive for girls to be allowed to join the Scouts came from the fact that Guides was just too feminine. When I was a Girl Guide in the late seventies it was very gendered with lots of domestic and very little outdoor skills learning. Occasionally we would get a lesson on knots but that was rare. As a girl who mostly read books and climbed trees as a child, I would have given anything to have joined the Scouts and not have to comply with the gendered world of Guiding at that time. That was driven by my interests, not an identity. Fast forward to the 21st century and we have a very real need for single-sex groups that DO NOT REINFORCE gender stereotypes through activities. Scouts for the boys, Guides for the girls, with equal opportunity to learn the same skills and take part in the same activities.
I think you're right. I was a guide in the early 80's and I felt the same frustration with their focus on sewing, flower arranging, baking and hostessing when I wanted to do the outdoor things that the scouts did. I preferred trousers but had to wear a skirt and I wanted to go camping (I went twice in 5 years), while the scouts did those things all the time. I was one of the voices asking to be allowed to join the scouts or for the guides to include more outdoors interests (and to wear trousers). At the time it fell on deaf ears and I left, but it did happen. Now of course, I completely agree that there is a need for single-sex groups that do not reinforce gender stereotypes.
I had a look at their recruitment equality monitoring: https://twitter.com/Sexnotgender_/status/1454580319177281540
Yes, it is as bad as you'd expect...
They’ve been baaad for a while now. Two years ago my daughter was in Brownies, and her friend moved up to guides, being 10 years old. After her first session at guides, her mother noticed she was very quiet and teary. On questioning her, it transpired they had played ‘career charades’, and her daughter had pulled out, and attempted to act out, the profession of … ‘Stripper’ (she had no idea what a stripper was).
And no, these weren’t slips put in by the girls themselves, but by the Girl Scout leader. Girl’s mother phoned the leader, received an apology and was assured it wouldn’t happen again.
I didn’t let my daughter join guides.
That's appalling.
How any adult could think it is ok to introduce sex or issues linked to it, to a space for children is beyond me. We seem to be losing all sense of what is appropriate these days.
Because those who have no boundaries, no sense or understanding of 'what is/is not appropriate' have been allowed to get into positions of power, create endless 'charities/organizations' and get inside the heads of innocent children and stupid adults, many adults terrified to speak out, to take a stand, just 'doing my job'. It is truly terrifying.
It's been covered here recently - there is an element of trans activism that is a cover for paedophilia. Sexualising children through "education" is part of the game-plan, and feeds into extending childhood via puberty-blockers etc. The trans lobby has some roots in the old Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), and they seem to be playing a very long game. Groups like Girl Guides should be helping children to avoid potential predators, not doing their groundwork.
My word. I thought identifying trees through their leaves and making bookmarks was a bit boring at Brownies when I was 8 or 9. But very useful. I'm so glad I was there in the boring days. This is coaching us into being victims and powerless. Why isn't there a mass walk-out by parents and carers?
My pants were taken from my bag and hoist up the flagpole one morning when camping with the Guides. They were sturdy and someone said they were boys ones, so I was too ashamed to ever claim them as mine. Ooh and we were supposed to be orienteering (no idea at the time what that meant) and so I walked us along a road and got into trouble for taking the shortest route and following signs so we were the first team back. I decided to leave after that and my mother agreed it was probably for the best...
Oh goddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd!
"Sex and relationships guidance ISN'T part of the formal programme but we believe that we share a responsibility to respond in a positive way to the sex and relationships education needs of our young members."
(from https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen - very interesting reading!)
My translation: WE (guess who) think you girls have a need to know all about ALL the genders-not-biological-sex & about sexual matters, from paid kneetremblers to the marital bed, before you reach the age of consent.
OK, girls that age are intensely curious & have questions. Also about sexual matters. If asked leaders should ofc answer, if q/a is age appropriate. I very much doubt the average Brownie or Guide expresses a burning desire to know everything about all the genders. And anyway there's the internet - sigh.
An organization doing so much good for girls, since the days of Olave Baden Powell, hijacked by people with an agenda.
Indeed Aimee Challenor still looms large - & I think I've found a pic of him in gg-plumage :
https://duz92c7qaoni3.cloudfront.net/images/Mentoring_Group.2e16d0ba.fill-800x550-c50.jpg
They should certainly not be telling them about "all the genders"!! They should be telling them (in this safe, all-female space) that it's a load of nonsense and giving them the counter-arguments to use with their mates, teachers, the celebs they follow etc.
Pretty sure no Challenor there.
If something like this happens, a parent could report it to the GG Safeguarding Officer, who should report it to the LADO - (local authority designated officer) for the relevant local authority. I think this just applies to England, not sure about the rest of the UK. The LADO would liaise with the police and would monitor GG's investigation.
If this had happened in a school, one would hope that the staff member would at the very least have received management advice. Organisations like GG are covered by the same procedures. I think there will be more and more examples like this where boundaries are blurred and they need to be dealt with via allegations management / safeguarding procedures.
Thank you for sharing this. I am constantly sickened by what GG are doing, becoming more desperate for attention. As a leader of the youngest age group my sexuality is of absolutely no relevance to other leaders or the little girls. Can we now expect all of the other infinite genders to get a shout out? Hopefully parents will start asking questions now.
Katie Alcock still crowdfunding her case against GG- I know we're all maxed out on this but so many good cases to support.
This is just terrifying. And nauseating. My kids are too old for such things now, thank goodness. But I seriously pity any parents with that dilemma ahead of them.
And GIRLS need to have "awareness and understanding" of other people's hormonal deficiencies or sex issues in general because...? These people are absolutely barking mad. What are they planning next for the girls? Erectile Dysfunction Awareness Week?
I never thought I'd see the day when I was ashamed to admit I was once a Girl Guide. The same institution that stopped me wearing trousers as a kid (it HAD to be a skirt) and made it very difficult to take girls camping as opposed to how easy it was for the boy scouts to go, now thinks it's ok to break down the appropriate and necessary wall of sexuality between adults and children. How times change.
Same, I am ashamed to have supported Amnesty and Oxfam 😢
You’re worth every penny, I’m so pissed off I’m upgrading my subs x
Stripper as a career choice 🤔
Thats healthy.
Absolutely horrendous. I hope the mum took it to the local paper.
Why can’t people see it? What happened to their brains?
What, indeed?
Absolutely. Also nowadays the prison service/CPS covering up what is happening in women's prisons. Judges seem to be happy to collude in this too.
And I knew when I was a kid that government and its institutions were very suspect. Maybe because I grew up during the American war in Vietnam when we were told that bombing Vietnamese peasants was good and just. But my parents were very political and my mother in particular was extremely skeptical (unfortunately not of academia).
I don't know where to start with this. I think my head might explode.
Horror everyday with them and it's worse than Trump.
Hi everyone. Does anyone have a good shortish explanation of why sex and not gender is important.
That lays it out quite rationally and ‘objectively’. My 13yr old daughter has been captured and I’ve just had her telling me that a trans-woman is a woman and that it’s ‘how someone believes themselves to be and not what biology you have that’s most important’. I ended up talking and talking and she started rolling her eyes.
(We got onto this subject as she wanted to wear a dinosaur costume for Halloween and I had to explain that this year that is a bit of a political statement!)
https://genderarguments.com
You could have just let her wear the costume 😀🦖
Wow. Sex exists and gender does not is a good place to start. And show her some pictures online of "transwomen" who want to tell you they are women. I would start with a good explanation of gender and the fact that it is performance and not biology. Let her roll her eyes and don't be put off by it. Whenever she brings the subject up, be prepared to talk with her about it and just be consistent and open. I hate that kids are exposed to this stuff rather than what is really going on in the world. Does she have anything she's really interested in?
Time for parents to start a new organization with strict safeguarding. Parents could start a naturalist club, a birding club, a sewing club, a multifaceted club, anything! but yak about adult sexuality and gender hallucination.
Every day I think this can’t get any worse and intelligent people will start waking up to reality. But then yet another captured organisation comes out with inappropriate shit like this and I find I’m just despairing
Graham, thank you. That is beyond shocking. As the mother of four boys I never really paid attention to Brownies / Guides (and all the focus seemed to be on how girls were allowed into the Scouts which has been mixed sex for a while, no? So there is no organisation just for boys? Perhaps that is also an issue?)
Good to see the responses to the tweet have all been utterly critical! I liked this one:
https://twitter.com/elizallj/status/1454491159326232577?s=21
I was thinking about the Scouts (mixed) vs Guides (only for girls) yesterday. I think the drive for girls to be allowed to join the Scouts came from the fact that Guides was just too feminine. When I was a Girl Guide in the late seventies it was very gendered with lots of domestic and very little outdoor skills learning. Occasionally we would get a lesson on knots but that was rare. As a girl who mostly read books and climbed trees as a child, I would have given anything to have joined the Scouts and not have to comply with the gendered world of Guiding at that time. That was driven by my interests, not an identity. Fast forward to the 21st century and we have a very real need for single-sex groups that DO NOT REINFORCE gender stereotypes through activities. Scouts for the boys, Guides for the girls, with equal opportunity to learn the same skills and take part in the same activities.
I think you're right. I was a guide in the early 80's and I felt the same frustration with their focus on sewing, flower arranging, baking and hostessing when I wanted to do the outdoor things that the scouts did. I preferred trousers but had to wear a skirt and I wanted to go camping (I went twice in 5 years), while the scouts did those things all the time. I was one of the voices asking to be allowed to join the scouts or for the guides to include more outdoors interests (and to wear trousers). At the time it fell on deaf ears and I left, but it did happen. Now of course, I completely agree that there is a need for single-sex groups that do not reinforce gender stereotypes.