There’s nowhere left for “trans widows” to go for discussion, really. After months lurking on mumsnet I finally got up the courage to make a short post seeking support and it was deleted a few hours later for using the phrase trans identified, along with sending me a long, gas-lighty email about why it’s mean to say someone is trans identified. So, yeah nowhere for women to talk. I am sick of having to go stuff it and keep my experiences and feelings to myself to coddle men’s feelings. I am afraid the internet is going to turn into a huge collection of voices all echoing each other with the trans party line, and isolated women on the periphery blogging to themselves like shipwrecked sailors of yore sending out messages in bottles.
I'm convinced MNHQ is very captured or possibly modded by libfem types who think everything is transphobic. There are some excellent posters there but sadly they become more and more censored every day, constrained by the PC speech brigade and seem to encourage malicious reporting. I was deleted when I asked why it only seems to be male-born transpeople who have problematic kinks. By which of course I meant we don't see trans men presenting such problems, not that ALL trans identified males had kinks.
The stunt earlier this year where they tweeted for trans people and supporters to come to MN to see that they weren't the "hotbed of transphobia" the detractors claimed? I believe it was done to try and purge the GC feminists by goading them. On a bloody site where "mum" has a distinct meaning, women have to fight for that definition to be upheld.
I was seething most of last night at how men are prioritized on a site that is purportedly for MUMS. In the past week I have been on a reading binge and I just finished "Men Trapped in Men's Bodies" by the (trans author) Dr. Anne Lawrence and it has given me SO much insight into exactly that - the nature of fetishes and how they are virtually absent in females. Have you read it?
"The stunt earlier this year where they tweeted for trans people and supporters to come to MN to see that they weren't the "hotbed of transphobia" the detractors claimed?"
Yep. That was the turning point. The "detractors" tweeted screenshots after they landed and Mumsnet then sided with these TRAs when long-standing members pointed out that the goady new members were acting in bad-faith. Then the "new members" flounced off, having found no evidence of "transphobia" but castigating Mumsnet for being a hotbed of racists, white supremacists, etc. - the usual unsubstantiated bollocks.
Mumsnet Mods then issued "strikes" against long-standing members who protested to Mumsnet that the "Special Rules" were, as promised, being bent for the hit-and-run goady TRAs but were being applied over-zealously to long-standing Gender Critical women.
There was a clear indication that this was a set-up when the Mumsnet Twitter account reassured the trans activists that they would not be censured for using the term "cis" when this is actually one of the terms deemed "offensive" in the "Mumsnet moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex".
Mumsnet claims that it costs a lot in time and money to Moderate the Feminist Women's Rights (FWR) Board. I am sure that it does when it is constantly targeted by Trans Rights Activists.
Rather than come out openly and admit that they have thrown in the towel, a Business decision seems to have been made to render the FWR Board unusable by anyone caring about Women's Rights. When all the Gender Critical Feminists have been permanently banned or driven away, Mumsnet as a whole will suffer the loss of so many intelligent, compassionate and well-informed women. They did not confine their contributions to the FWR Board.
If it was a Business decision it was a bizarre one, given the amount of traffic that Mumsnet detected entering the site at the FWR Board then subsequently fanning out to explore other areas.
They will also lose a lot of revenue, as I doubt most of the TRA will be buying many of the products that are aimed specifically at the current FWR demographic.
I'll look you up. I was thinking of places you could avoid being banned for stating facts. TRA tend to lurk on any sites that are frequented by women and take great pleasure in getting us banned. I got thrown off Twitter for so-called misgendering. I also have a large collection of corked bottles just in case we need them ;)
That’s a great idea.. I find that I don’t fit in to over it, spinster or mumsnet.. I am not a radfem, mum or lesbian though I am supportive of those views/ experiences.
Hi Debbie, Same here. Small GC Twitter account removed after quoting from report on Tavi & commenting on males competing against women in sport. Flagged by shinigami eyes apparently. Twitter is in danger of becoming a toxic, concentrated collection of brainwashed groups & individuals who not only reject alternative views, but are in danger of becoming so siloed, they are not even aware of the nature of those views I fear for the young people especially who do not recognise how vulnerable they are & do not yet have the insight into the motivation of those who are 'supporting' them & it is clear to me that the isolation is intentional.
I have followed this site since it began (now a subscriber) & am also on Overit as Ebe, although I have discounted MN based on reports coming out.
There are many fronts to fight on & I will simply not be silenced.
I became GC about 4 years ago and despite attempts to shut me up (threats, doxxing, account hacking etc) I refuse to go away. In fact, all they've made me do is double down and become more determined. Twitter's a cesspool, but I do miss the people I used to interact with there. Sadly, a lot of them have now been banned.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I saw GC accounts disappear with depressing regularity & found myself starting to self-censor, before I thought to hell with that! I too miss the lovely people I found , but I have no doubt they will be appearing on other forums soon. As you say, it just makes us more determined!
I have started making posts here at substack and just writing about everything in itself definitely helps. I just want to see more people talking about it, know what I mean?
I do indeed. I'm sick of seeing thoughtful, intelligent women being banned from sites for speaking the truth. I still can't believe that Mumsnet deleted Barracker's fabulous post.
I just subscribed to this after reading it every day for I don't know how long. It's the most important resource online for this kind of content.
I have two severely NPD parents, so I've spent a lot of my life learning about narcissistic personality disorder. In my opinion at least 80 percent of the TRA's have this. I recently dropped all my social media accounts after exhaustion from interacting with them. I think you are doing the right thing here.
There are few kinds of people more adept at manipulation and influencing people socially than NPD people. This is because they are to some degree psychopathic in the sense that they operate like psychological reptiles, winning is the ultimate goal, by any means necessary. They do not love, not really. They have no empathy, which is the fuel that drives feminism. I sometimes think that since all land on earth has been conquered and claimed womanhood is literally the last arena men have to conquer. Heterosexual males are doing this via non-consensual porn of potentially all women alive (as a webcam spying victim I can attest this almost drove me to suicide...and suicide has tripled among young teen girls in the last 15 years, due to predators, non-con on porn tubes, and social media) and the gender confused and further pornsick are *becoming* female porn once porn of females can't get them aroused anymore.
But anyway Mr. Linehan you can't confront an NPD person directly. You go around. And what you are doing is the right exact path. The HUGE weakness, Achilles heel, of this movement is their pornsickness and child predation. The means to that end is the internet. The biggest mistake they ever made is getting us banned off of those platforms that were demoralizing us and draining our souls. I'm actually ashamed and embarrassed how much time I wasted arguing when I could have been writing and calling legislators (and anyone else who will listen, which is what I spend my time doing now).
I personally think all females need to get off all misogynist websites. Back in the day we would have. Back in the day, before we were forced to lap up porn pushers just to participate, feminists would have divested of twitter (HUGE child porn problem, least moderators of any large platform, hugely in bed with sex workers and now being sued for refusing to take down child porn of a 14 year old male when he reported it), facebook, instagram, tiktok, etsy (nixes jkr art but sells child sex dolls and shirts that say 'Daddy's little slut,' and so on,) Reddit, (gutter of the internet, enough said) and, astonishingly, Medium. I just had an old blog of mine from years ago suddenly get red-barred by Medium...I'd forgotten I even had this blog, on Christianity, and found it again the other day with a red bar...HAS to be a cross-platform shinigami eyes thing going on...there is literally no other explanation why a religion blog would be redbarred suddenly out of the blue when it's been years since I posted on it. At some point the shinigami priests found it and reported it though there is nothing on there at all reportable nor ever was.
Challenor is simply the opening salvo of their secret inner sanctum anti-feminist pornsick quilting bee that is going to continue to crash to the ground. Real feminists have been fighting them for years but already it's becoming clear that unlike you and a few others, establishment males are going to do nothing but take credit when the predators are flushed out in the end and then blame the whole mess on feminism. Watching this process is the most jading experience of my entire life.
I firmly believe the techies/coders/programmers/moderators on all these sites I mentioned above are interlinked in some kind of sex ring. Back in the day people would have voted with their feet. Eventually new platforms will arise, and moderation will be better...but now these sites all run on porn and child exploitation. And this trans rights movement IS the movement of the child predator, which their enablers will discover soon enough.
But anyway, they are going to proliferate until the nice people who are enabling them, get violated or are forced to acknowledge their propensity for child predation. All feminists want and ever wanted was harm reduction, to limit as much as possible the number of victims taken. Society instead is making victims of US, this tech geek McCarthyite censorship drive. So whatever. It's the best thing that ever happened to me and the worst thing they ever could have done. If they were smart they would have left us all alone. But that is something a narcissist can never do, leave well enough alone, respect boundaries, approach empathy for other human beings. It is all self, all the time. In the end, it will destroy them.
Totally agree. Twitter et al are vile. Narcissists feed off attention, any sort. Will keep pushing and pushing. Letter writing and lobbying are the way to go. Thank you for writing this.
Men have been economically and every other way coercively controlling and lying women and their children in their gritty sick little COMPLICIT gaggles for a very long time. NOW it’s obvious. The unseen has become seen. Most have no empathy for women and children (let alone allowing us our legal and human rights) and everything is transactional. We see them.
I was inspired by the thread of barracker on MN, so much so that I PM’d her and tried to raise her message three times. with reference to three strong women in history; Boudicca, Isabela of Castile and Elizabeth 1. MN decided to obliterate my account (no debate) and seems they want these strong women obliterated too. I can’t guess who I may of offended!
This link fell foul of MN rules too along with saying how happy I was that the NHS were still supporting kids to get their ‘unicorn horns ‘ so long as I believed in unicorns
No mention of the T word or three strikes out at all!!!! This other account was vanquished too (and i thought it was so funny)
Just read the Jesse Thorn thread and... it's an advert. It's selling a book. I mean, royalties are great & all but medicalise your kid, castrate your son, condemn him to a life of surgery to be a simulacrum of what he is not... to sell a book? Hell's bells.
That Jesse parent is insane. He describes going anywhere with his toddler like this "We had to check every room for jerks." Mate, it's you. He's dragging a kid around as a prop for him mad ideas. Barking.
Makes some good points quite effectively - shame it's from some right-wing nutcase fundamentalist "Christian" outfit. It's possible to be right about some things and wrong about others of course but at heart I think their opposition to Gender Ideology will be rooted in very different values to that of the Progressive/Left/Liberal pro-Feminist led resistance here in the UK. I can understand the need to make some strange alliances in the USA, where progressives are largely where we were a couple of years ago (pro-trans because it sounds the progressive thing to be) but I don't think we need to do that over here. Our Right-wing are perfectly happy to stay safely away from the fray, keep schtum, sit back and watch their opponents publicly tear themselves apart over ludicrous woo-woo. Especially as in the process the whole of the Prog/Lib/Left, whether pro-GI or anti, are smeared as idiots and a danger to children.
No. There are good and bad people on the Left and the Right and amongst Christians too. Those who speak absolute common sense should always be listened to. Thousands of women on the Left have gone right away from this Woke Madness which Labour/SNP/Greens/LibDems are pushing and pushing. Over here, it's only The Tories now who are protecting children and women from Transworld. Emma Nicholson has asked all of us to put our political affiliations to one side, to fight, collectively, for the rights of women, to protect children, so severe is the threat to us now.
Don't hold your breath with Schneider. People in the Jewish community, wept and begged and implored him and even so he supported Corbyn and every other Jew baiting holocaust questioning scumbag on the left. He is the opposite of you, he is addicted to Twitter likes.
There’s nowhere left for “trans widows” to go for discussion, really. After months lurking on mumsnet I finally got up the courage to make a short post seeking support and it was deleted a few hours later for using the phrase trans identified, along with sending me a long, gas-lighty email about why it’s mean to say someone is trans identified. So, yeah nowhere for women to talk. I am sick of having to go stuff it and keep my experiences and feelings to myself to coddle men’s feelings. I am afraid the internet is going to turn into a huge collection of voices all echoing each other with the trans party line, and isolated women on the periphery blogging to themselves like shipwrecked sailors of yore sending out messages in bottles.
I'm convinced MNHQ is very captured or possibly modded by libfem types who think everything is transphobic. There are some excellent posters there but sadly they become more and more censored every day, constrained by the PC speech brigade and seem to encourage malicious reporting. I was deleted when I asked why it only seems to be male-born transpeople who have problematic kinks. By which of course I meant we don't see trans men presenting such problems, not that ALL trans identified males had kinks.
The stunt earlier this year where they tweeted for trans people and supporters to come to MN to see that they weren't the "hotbed of transphobia" the detractors claimed? I believe it was done to try and purge the GC feminists by goading them. On a bloody site where "mum" has a distinct meaning, women have to fight for that definition to be upheld.
I was seething most of last night at how men are prioritized on a site that is purportedly for MUMS. In the past week I have been on a reading binge and I just finished "Men Trapped in Men's Bodies" by the (trans author) Dr. Anne Lawrence and it has given me SO much insight into exactly that - the nature of fetishes and how they are virtually absent in females. Have you read it?
No, sadly I'm just getting into educating myself about these issues via literature. I will keep it in mind though. x
"I'm convinced MNHQ is very captured" - Me too.
"The stunt earlier this year where they tweeted for trans people and supporters to come to MN to see that they weren't the "hotbed of transphobia" the detractors claimed?"
Yep. That was the turning point. The "detractors" tweeted screenshots after they landed and Mumsnet then sided with these TRAs when long-standing members pointed out that the goady new members were acting in bad-faith. Then the "new members" flounced off, having found no evidence of "transphobia" but castigating Mumsnet for being a hotbed of racists, white supremacists, etc. - the usual unsubstantiated bollocks.
Mumsnet Mods then issued "strikes" against long-standing members who protested to Mumsnet that the "Special Rules" were, as promised, being bent for the hit-and-run goady TRAs but were being applied over-zealously to long-standing Gender Critical women.
There was a clear indication that this was a set-up when the Mumsnet Twitter account reassured the trans activists that they would not be censured for using the term "cis" when this is actually one of the terms deemed "offensive" in the "Mumsnet moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex".
The URL for those "moderation principles" tells all: "trans-rights-moderation-policy": https://www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy
Mumsnet claims that it costs a lot in time and money to Moderate the Feminist Women's Rights (FWR) Board. I am sure that it does when it is constantly targeted by Trans Rights Activists.
Rather than come out openly and admit that they have thrown in the towel, a Business decision seems to have been made to render the FWR Board unusable by anyone caring about Women's Rights. When all the Gender Critical Feminists have been permanently banned or driven away, Mumsnet as a whole will suffer the loss of so many intelligent, compassionate and well-informed women. They did not confine their contributions to the FWR Board.
If it was a Business decision it was a bizarre one, given the amount of traffic that Mumsnet detected entering the site at the FWR Board then subsequently fanning out to explore other areas.
They will also lose a lot of revenue, as I doubt most of the TRA will be buying many of the products that are aimed specifically at the current FWR demographic.
Are you on Spinster or Ovarit?
I am sort of on spinster? I am on Glindr and can see spinster in my feed (is that what you meant?) I am terryclothtrenchcoat
I'll look you up. I was thinking of places you could avoid being banned for stating facts. TRA tend to lurk on any sites that are frequented by women and take great pleasure in getting us banned. I got thrown off Twitter for so-called misgendering. I also have a large collection of corked bottles just in case we need them ;)
Right now I am looking into how to start a forum and everyone here will be invited
That’s a great idea.. I find that I don’t fit in to over it, spinster or mumsnet.. I am not a radfem, mum or lesbian though I am supportive of those views/ experiences.
Hi Debbie, Same here. Small GC Twitter account removed after quoting from report on Tavi & commenting on males competing against women in sport. Flagged by shinigami eyes apparently. Twitter is in danger of becoming a toxic, concentrated collection of brainwashed groups & individuals who not only reject alternative views, but are in danger of becoming so siloed, they are not even aware of the nature of those views I fear for the young people especially who do not recognise how vulnerable they are & do not yet have the insight into the motivation of those who are 'supporting' them & it is clear to me that the isolation is intentional.
I have followed this site since it began (now a subscriber) & am also on Overit as Ebe, although I have discounted MN based on reports coming out.
There are many fronts to fight on & I will simply not be silenced.
I became GC about 4 years ago and despite attempts to shut me up (threats, doxxing, account hacking etc) I refuse to go away. In fact, all they've made me do is double down and become more determined. Twitter's a cesspool, but I do miss the people I used to interact with there. Sadly, a lot of them have now been banned.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I saw GC accounts disappear with depressing regularity & found myself starting to self-censor, before I thought to hell with that! I too miss the lovely people I found , but I have no doubt they will be appearing on other forums soon. As you say, it just makes us more determined!
I have started making posts here at substack and just writing about everything in itself definitely helps. I just want to see more people talking about it, know what I mean?
I do indeed. I'm sick of seeing thoughtful, intelligent women being banned from sites for speaking the truth. I still can't believe that Mumsnet deleted Barracker's fabulous post.
I just subscribed to this after reading it every day for I don't know how long. It's the most important resource online for this kind of content.
I have two severely NPD parents, so I've spent a lot of my life learning about narcissistic personality disorder. In my opinion at least 80 percent of the TRA's have this. I recently dropped all my social media accounts after exhaustion from interacting with them. I think you are doing the right thing here.
There are few kinds of people more adept at manipulation and influencing people socially than NPD people. This is because they are to some degree psychopathic in the sense that they operate like psychological reptiles, winning is the ultimate goal, by any means necessary. They do not love, not really. They have no empathy, which is the fuel that drives feminism. I sometimes think that since all land on earth has been conquered and claimed womanhood is literally the last arena men have to conquer. Heterosexual males are doing this via non-consensual porn of potentially all women alive (as a webcam spying victim I can attest this almost drove me to suicide...and suicide has tripled among young teen girls in the last 15 years, due to predators, non-con on porn tubes, and social media) and the gender confused and further pornsick are *becoming* female porn once porn of females can't get them aroused anymore.
But anyway Mr. Linehan you can't confront an NPD person directly. You go around. And what you are doing is the right exact path. The HUGE weakness, Achilles heel, of this movement is their pornsickness and child predation. The means to that end is the internet. The biggest mistake they ever made is getting us banned off of those platforms that were demoralizing us and draining our souls. I'm actually ashamed and embarrassed how much time I wasted arguing when I could have been writing and calling legislators (and anyone else who will listen, which is what I spend my time doing now).
I personally think all females need to get off all misogynist websites. Back in the day we would have. Back in the day, before we were forced to lap up porn pushers just to participate, feminists would have divested of twitter (HUGE child porn problem, least moderators of any large platform, hugely in bed with sex workers and now being sued for refusing to take down child porn of a 14 year old male when he reported it), facebook, instagram, tiktok, etsy (nixes jkr art but sells child sex dolls and shirts that say 'Daddy's little slut,' and so on,) Reddit, (gutter of the internet, enough said) and, astonishingly, Medium. I just had an old blog of mine from years ago suddenly get red-barred by Medium...I'd forgotten I even had this blog, on Christianity, and found it again the other day with a red bar...HAS to be a cross-platform shinigami eyes thing going on...there is literally no other explanation why a religion blog would be redbarred suddenly out of the blue when it's been years since I posted on it. At some point the shinigami priests found it and reported it though there is nothing on there at all reportable nor ever was.
Challenor is simply the opening salvo of their secret inner sanctum anti-feminist pornsick quilting bee that is going to continue to crash to the ground. Real feminists have been fighting them for years but already it's becoming clear that unlike you and a few others, establishment males are going to do nothing but take credit when the predators are flushed out in the end and then blame the whole mess on feminism. Watching this process is the most jading experience of my entire life.
I firmly believe the techies/coders/programmers/moderators on all these sites I mentioned above are interlinked in some kind of sex ring. Back in the day people would have voted with their feet. Eventually new platforms will arise, and moderation will be better...but now these sites all run on porn and child exploitation. And this trans rights movement IS the movement of the child predator, which their enablers will discover soon enough.
But anyway, they are going to proliferate until the nice people who are enabling them, get violated or are forced to acknowledge their propensity for child predation. All feminists want and ever wanted was harm reduction, to limit as much as possible the number of victims taken. Society instead is making victims of US, this tech geek McCarthyite censorship drive. So whatever. It's the best thing that ever happened to me and the worst thing they ever could have done. If they were smart they would have left us all alone. But that is something a narcissist can never do, leave well enough alone, respect boundaries, approach empathy for other human beings. It is all self, all the time. In the end, it will destroy them.
Totally agree. Twitter et al are vile. Narcissists feed off attention, any sort. Will keep pushing and pushing. Letter writing and lobbying are the way to go. Thank you for writing this.
Men have been economically and every other way coercively controlling and lying women and their children in their gritty sick little COMPLICIT gaggles for a very long time. NOW it’s obvious. The unseen has become seen. Most have no empathy for women and children (let alone allowing us our legal and human rights) and everything is transactional. We see them.
Amazing post. I’m so glad you subscribed to comment!
I was inspired by the thread of barracker on MN, so much so that I PM’d her and tried to raise her message three times. with reference to three strong women in history; Boudicca, Isabela of Castile and Elizabeth 1. MN decided to obliterate my account (no debate) and seems they want these strong women obliterated too. I can’t guess who I may of offended!
This link fell foul of MN rules too along with saying how happy I was that the NHS were still supporting kids to get their ‘unicorn horns ‘ so long as I believed in unicorns
No mention of the T word or three strikes out at all!!!! This other account was vanquished too (and i thought it was so funny)
https://babylonbee.com/news/arkansas-bans-chopping-off-kids-legs-if-they-think-theyre-a-mermaid
That WomenUnited post was such powerful stuff! I want to make it into a poster or something!
Just read the Jesse Thorn thread and... it's an advert. It's selling a book. I mean, royalties are great & all but medicalise your kid, castrate your son, condemn him to a life of surgery to be a simulacrum of what he is not... to sell a book? Hell's bells.
That Jesse parent is insane. He describes going anywhere with his toddler like this "We had to check every room for jerks." Mate, it's you. He's dragging a kid around as a prop for him mad ideas. Barking.
2. Also, have you seen this yet, Graham? Just over 5 minutes and it's sensational in its' truth.
'The Trans Delusion' - https://video.watchmask.com/4Idagit84wg/?fbclid=IwAR0kL8cHoDtaTPFX7pJ3lOgJF2QSkk1oq9SxRELtNsxnc0zvjbrPrYEV6ZQ
Makes some good points quite effectively - shame it's from some right-wing nutcase fundamentalist "Christian" outfit. It's possible to be right about some things and wrong about others of course but at heart I think their opposition to Gender Ideology will be rooted in very different values to that of the Progressive/Left/Liberal pro-Feminist led resistance here in the UK. I can understand the need to make some strange alliances in the USA, where progressives are largely where we were a couple of years ago (pro-trans because it sounds the progressive thing to be) but I don't think we need to do that over here. Our Right-wing are perfectly happy to stay safely away from the fray, keep schtum, sit back and watch their opponents publicly tear themselves apart over ludicrous woo-woo. Especially as in the process the whole of the Prog/Lib/Left, whether pro-GI or anti, are smeared as idiots and a danger to children.
No. There are good and bad people on the Left and the Right and amongst Christians too. Those who speak absolute common sense should always be listened to. Thousands of women on the Left have gone right away from this Woke Madness which Labour/SNP/Greens/LibDems are pushing and pushing. Over here, it's only The Tories now who are protecting children and women from Transworld. Emma Nicholson has asked all of us to put our political affiliations to one side, to fight, collectively, for the rights of women, to protect children, so severe is the threat to us now.
Thank you for all that you do, Graham....you are a hero...
Don't hold your breath with Schneider. People in the Jewish community, wept and begged and implored him and even so he supported Corbyn and every other Jew baiting holocaust questioning scumbag on the left. He is the opposite of you, he is addicted to Twitter likes.