Looks like the absolute pits of propaganda to me. Goebbels couldn't have done a better job. Did they have to pay those women or were they threatened to pose in such a pastiche of religious adoration? I really don't believe this is the Penn swimmers expressing their real heartfelt feelings here. Something's wrong.
These are the teammates of the Thomas character who have been told by their swim coach and others at Penn that they must not speak to the media about any of this under threat of losing their places on the swim team. And, of course, worse, being branded as bigots and transphobes for voicing even the mildest of criticism of this blatant unfairness and that accusation following them into the rest of their careers, as well as threatening their safety both on social media and around campus. All cheered on by the social media handlers of the various Ivy League schools.
As girls growing up participating in team sports, that's what they were always told to do - Congratulate your teammate. Be kind. The photo is genuine but the names attached are of various (mostly British?) enablers and cheerleaders of the male misogynists of the trans movement.
No, people are at different levels of knowledge on this stuff. Den may not have known the stuff I just told him. I stand by the image but I also appreciate Den standing up for a woman.
Dear Mr Linehan - I wonder why you would post such a nasty thing. To take one example, Cariad Lloyd is a sensitive and intelligent woman who has helped a lot of people deal with their grief. You disagree with her trans views - fine. Why not just say that. If your reason for being nasty is that some pro-trans people have done terrible things - eg, death threats - then of course, let's get them arrested and jailed. But that's not a reason for abusing others. I would respectfully ask you to reconsider this post. Thank you.
Cariad very dishonestly cast her use of the word ‘bleeders’ as a joke when she knew quite well language like that was being used to erase women. She also signed the letter against JK Rowling. I have no time for her.
Feb 20, 2022Liked by Graham Linehan, mole at the counter
Dear Den, I'll admit that I have never heard of Cariad Lloyd, but I'll take your word for it that she is a sensitive and intelligent woman. I have, however, heard of Joanne Harris, Stella Creasy, Laurie Penny, Ash Sarkar, and Caroline Nokes. Of those, only Joanne Harris stands out as a thoroughly nasty piece of work. The others are either a bit dim, a bit cowardly, or mining a particular grift - in this case gender ideology - for a ragtag army of twitter followers. Or they are all of the above. So on the whole, I think, this picture sums up perfectly the problem of male, heterosexual, misogynistic entitlement muscling in on their lack of victimhood by adopting a trans identity and all cheered on by very comfortable and complacent women, handmaidens, who have very little to lose in backing this particular hobby horse.
These same women are, I hope, never likely to need the safety and space of a female-only domestic violence refuge. I doubt too that any of them will ever find themselves placed in a prison cell with a male sex offender who, only five minutes ago claimed a trans identity for himself for his own convenience. I don't believe any of them live in the US and are from working class backgrounds or other backgrounds traditionally under represented in the US college system whose daughters right now are training, training, training every single day in their chosen sport, all in the hope of gaining a coveted sports scholarship to a university or college that is otherwise out of reach given their particular socio-economic background and lack of a family history of ever attending such an institution.
So yes, these rebuttals, such as the photo above do sometimes come across as harsh. But that's what happens in a civil war. It gets nasty. And sometimes I too wince at some of the harshness I see. But harsh criticism is nothing compared with the viciousness of rape threats and death threats directed against women like JK Rowling, Maya Forstater, and many other women who have dared to voice an opinion that is not part of the new orthodoxy of gender ideology. What does Stella Creasy, an MP, have to say about that? She daren't say anything, it seems. She leaves that to Rosie Duffield and watches on as Rosie is then herself regularly and viciously attacked. So please, first direct your disapproval at the liars, the enablers, the complicit, the cowardly, and the outright bullies who aid and abet the trans activists (activists, as distinct from ordinary trans people who don't want to bully their way into spaces not intended for them). The activists, who are mostly white, heterosexual male misogynists who have hijacked a cause and have turned this into the most toxic attack on ordinary women and girls that I have ever witnessed.
Thanks for your comprehensive post- makes me want to cry when less privileged women pay the price for more fortunate people’s cowardliness. This person quite clearly should be in the mens swimming,
Thank you for listening to me and understanding what this is really about: The privileged aligning themselves with the privileged, shoring up their privilege still further, and shafting vulnerable women and girls in the process.
Dear Den - it's called "calling out" a tactic I'm not a great fan of either but trans activists love it and do it all the time, whining about such and such being a transphobe on the flimsiest of evidence and excuses. And they orchestrate such attacks on specific persons with the deliberate intention of e.g. getting the person fired from his/her job. JK Rowling was the most well known example and if you read her essay from 2020 you can see she definitely is not a transphobe, but most of them probably did not even read it they just jumped on the bandwagon hoping to experience the adrenalin rush of power from being able to cancel so famous a person. Some particularly venomous types like David Paisley and Adrian Harrop need calling out in any and every way possible especially by use of satire, but looking at Cariad Lloyd's website my impression is that she probably isn't one of these types but probably more of the naive type who allowed herself to be duped into signing a letter of hate against Rowling. However that's still no excuse, and while I still would prefer to be able to call her out to her face and ask her why she would do such a thing, I find the pictorial satire here an appropriate way to call her out and tell her I don't agree with her complicity in the monstering of people concerned about women's rights by a retrograde ideology's misogynistic element.
Hi Den I don’t know most of these people and don’t know Cariad - but spotted at least one MPs name in there. It is in my opinion an incredibly worrying photo. I suspect it was staged for clicks. Every day I’m shocked that our MPs are supporting an ideology that is so harmful especially to young people and women. I’m really not sure of the way forward on this to be honest
My daughter in law works with ‘a non binary soul ‘ who moans about her periods !
You’re a fecking woman then !!!
O my heads bursting with this kack
Off to take dogs out , Gigi and Frankie , both females and would bite yer nuts off if you described them otherwise ,lol
Why can't people see that girls identifying as NB is nothing but internalised misogyny?!
Is it at all a real photo or photo shopped?
It’s real. It’s so perfect everyone thinks its photoshopped.
Yes. It is real. The original has '©AP' in the bottom left corner. 'Associated Press'. I also saw it on the NYT (figures) online edition.
Looks like the absolute pits of propaganda to me. Goebbels couldn't have done a better job. Did they have to pay those women or were they threatened to pose in such a pastiche of religious adoration? I really don't believe this is the Penn swimmers expressing their real heartfelt feelings here. Something's wrong.
These are the teammates of the Thomas character who have been told by their swim coach and others at Penn that they must not speak to the media about any of this under threat of losing their places on the swim team. And, of course, worse, being branded as bigots and transphobes for voicing even the mildest of criticism of this blatant unfairness and that accusation following them into the rest of their careers, as well as threatening their safety both on social media and around campus. All cheered on by the social media handlers of the various Ivy League schools.
As girls growing up participating in team sports, that's what they were always told to do - Congratulate your teammate. Be kind. The photo is genuine but the names attached are of various (mostly British?) enablers and cheerleaders of the male misogynists of the trans movement.
Graham , I feel special you’ve replied to me
I may also be a little bit drunk 😂😂
Dear den
Fuck off
Graham you may wish to remove me from your mailing list , I have a very short fuse and hate this pish
No, people are at different levels of knowledge on this stuff. Den may not have known the stuff I just told him. I stand by the image but I also appreciate Den standing up for a woman.
What's a Den?
Den was the name of the person talking about Lloyd
Wow. Read a lot of Oscar Wilde, do you Petal?
Why aren’t there protesters at every meet he is at? Silent protesters with polite signs, even?
Dear Mr Linehan - I wonder why you would post such a nasty thing. To take one example, Cariad Lloyd is a sensitive and intelligent woman who has helped a lot of people deal with their grief. You disagree with her trans views - fine. Why not just say that. If your reason for being nasty is that some pro-trans people have done terrible things - eg, death threats - then of course, let's get them arrested and jailed. But that's not a reason for abusing others. I would respectfully ask you to reconsider this post. Thank you.
Cariad very dishonestly cast her use of the word ‘bleeders’ as a joke when she knew quite well language like that was being used to erase women. She also signed the letter against JK Rowling. I have no time for her.
Dear Den, I'll admit that I have never heard of Cariad Lloyd, but I'll take your word for it that she is a sensitive and intelligent woman. I have, however, heard of Joanne Harris, Stella Creasy, Laurie Penny, Ash Sarkar, and Caroline Nokes. Of those, only Joanne Harris stands out as a thoroughly nasty piece of work. The others are either a bit dim, a bit cowardly, or mining a particular grift - in this case gender ideology - for a ragtag army of twitter followers. Or they are all of the above. So on the whole, I think, this picture sums up perfectly the problem of male, heterosexual, misogynistic entitlement muscling in on their lack of victimhood by adopting a trans identity and all cheered on by very comfortable and complacent women, handmaidens, who have very little to lose in backing this particular hobby horse.
These same women are, I hope, never likely to need the safety and space of a female-only domestic violence refuge. I doubt too that any of them will ever find themselves placed in a prison cell with a male sex offender who, only five minutes ago claimed a trans identity for himself for his own convenience. I don't believe any of them live in the US and are from working class backgrounds or other backgrounds traditionally under represented in the US college system whose daughters right now are training, training, training every single day in their chosen sport, all in the hope of gaining a coveted sports scholarship to a university or college that is otherwise out of reach given their particular socio-economic background and lack of a family history of ever attending such an institution.
So yes, these rebuttals, such as the photo above do sometimes come across as harsh. But that's what happens in a civil war. It gets nasty. And sometimes I too wince at some of the harshness I see. But harsh criticism is nothing compared with the viciousness of rape threats and death threats directed against women like JK Rowling, Maya Forstater, and many other women who have dared to voice an opinion that is not part of the new orthodoxy of gender ideology. What does Stella Creasy, an MP, have to say about that? She daren't say anything, it seems. She leaves that to Rosie Duffield and watches on as Rosie is then herself regularly and viciously attacked. So please, first direct your disapproval at the liars, the enablers, the complicit, the cowardly, and the outright bullies who aid and abet the trans activists (activists, as distinct from ordinary trans people who don't want to bully their way into spaces not intended for them). The activists, who are mostly white, heterosexual male misogynists who have hijacked a cause and have turned this into the most toxic attack on ordinary women and girls that I have ever witnessed.
Thanks for your comprehensive post- makes me want to cry when less privileged women pay the price for more fortunate people’s cowardliness. This person quite clearly should be in the mens swimming,
Thank you for listening to me and understanding what this is really about: The privileged aligning themselves with the privileged, shoring up their privilege still further, and shafting vulnerable women and girls in the process.
You are well worth listening to
Dear Den - it's called "calling out" a tactic I'm not a great fan of either but trans activists love it and do it all the time, whining about such and such being a transphobe on the flimsiest of evidence and excuses. And they orchestrate such attacks on specific persons with the deliberate intention of e.g. getting the person fired from his/her job. JK Rowling was the most well known example and if you read her essay from 2020 you can see she definitely is not a transphobe, but most of them probably did not even read it they just jumped on the bandwagon hoping to experience the adrenalin rush of power from being able to cancel so famous a person. Some particularly venomous types like David Paisley and Adrian Harrop need calling out in any and every way possible especially by use of satire, but looking at Cariad Lloyd's website my impression is that she probably isn't one of these types but probably more of the naive type who allowed herself to be duped into signing a letter of hate against Rowling. However that's still no excuse, and while I still would prefer to be able to call her out to her face and ask her why she would do such a thing, I find the pictorial satire here an appropriate way to call her out and tell her I don't agree with her complicity in the monstering of people concerned about women's rights by a retrograde ideology's misogynistic element.
Hi Den I don’t know most of these people and don’t know Cariad - but spotted at least one MPs name in there. It is in my opinion an incredibly worrying photo. I suspect it was staged for clicks. Every day I’m shocked that our MPs are supporting an ideology that is so harmful especially to young people and women. I’m really not sure of the way forward on this to be honest