She is either deluded or stupid or both. Men have of course never done anything underhand to gain access to victims. Nope nothing to see in the Catholic church, no-one used a warrant card to pretend to arrest their victim, no-one ever claims to be a woman to gain access to womens spaces except, they did, he did and they do and there absolutely is evidence. Perhaps we should all send her an example and get others to do the same? Inundate her with fucking evidence.
Or maybe she thinks everyone else is stupid and easily mislead. She will find out how stupid they really are when she counts her votes at the next election.
Are we allowed to suggest on here that someone should fuck off immediately into the wilderness with their shameless denial of basic reality? or does that break posting rules
They lack broad life experience and are clueless of the lives of less privileged women. Unknown world never discovered as they stick close to people like themselves - but they speak proudly like experts.
I remember when I was a kid in the sixties, my own father warned me and my sister never to get into a man's car, even if we knew the man as an acquaintance of his. I was about seven at the time, but when I was a little older and saw the news, I always remembered his advice. I'm sure most women are told to be wary of men generally. This idiot is dishonest.
When I was a young woman I accompanied my boss to court. My job was to watch, listen and learn, take notes and hardly open my mouth. I was hardly naive but I believed in right and wrong. It was a baptism of fire. I was hearing men like him and others who I respected, or wanted to learn from, talking life and the law. About women on juries letting men off for rape and murder and then I followed the research done year after year on the odd attitudes many women have about other women. Again and again it was the men saying it was the women with the vile attitudes to other women and the weird justifications about asking for it, deserving it, or being 'that type of woman'. Just as vicious and shaming as men and often much worse and almost enjoying the cruelty of it. Oooh I've sons similar ages, they're good boys they are, never harm a fly, he's a good boy, it was her the tart, look at her, he's too attractive to need to, she was asking for it, drunk, flirting by existing, short skirt blah blah blah. Text book examples of misogyny and why some prosecuting this kind of crap have to stop after some cases as you are face to face with the utter jarring bizarro world day in, day out. How people will do their utmost to defend the indefensible and happily accuse those they have decided are lying or brought it on themselves.
I have learned to believe that anyone with a pulse and XX chromosomes is capable of anything. See, e.g., Madeline Albright, Hillary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, Amy Coney Barrett, and all the many women who might just as well have been men.
How irritating of you to lump Hillary Clinton in with right-wingers — she was to the left of both Obama and Bernie Sanders, and who has been the victim of a 30-year+ smear campaign of misogyny, more recently propped up by everyone’s dictator du jour Vlad Putin. Judged far more harshly than ANY male. Punching bag for fake leftist woke rod and their handmaidens. I guess Graham’s point is salient — women can’t see their own misogyny.
I might suggest you read Diana Johnstone's book The Queen of Chaos. Hillary Clinton is a Republican who set out to turn the Democratic Party into Republican-Lite with the help of her sexual predator husband. Hillary supported Barry Goldwater's run for the White House in 1964 when he wanted to drop nuclear bombs on Vietnamese peasants. She went ahead with destroying Libya -- Obama and the Joint Chiefs opposed U.S. activity in Libya, but let her go ahead with her evil plans -- and was delighted at Qaddafi's being raped with a bayonet; Libya now has open slave markets when it was once the richest country in Africa. As Secretary of State she oversaw the coup overturning the democratically elected head of Honduras; Honduras now has the highest murder rate in Latin America, due at least partially to the U.S. shipping gangs there.
I do not believe she has been judged more harshly than any male. I have been a radical feminist for 50 years and I do not excuse women who might as well be men and who do evil just as well as any man. That is definitively NOT misogyny.
Talk about cherry picking. “ Hillary supported Barry Goldwater's run for the White House in 1964 when he wanted to drop nuclear bombs on Vietnamese peasants.” Hilary as a teenager with Republican parents supported Goldwater for the presidency. As a fucking teenager. Within two years of university she was heavily embedded in the civil rights movement and working for the left-wing — unlike your fake, civil-rights-appropriating poseur Bernie Sanders, still penning essays about his rape fantasies into his 30s, and soon a deadbeat dad. But mediocre males are gonna rise, aren’t they? The rest of your post is similarly skewed, Putinesque bullshit — you’ve hit everyone of his trolls’ talking points, kudos.
Sorry, I was 10 years old when Barry Goldwater ran for president and I had enough sense to know he was an imminent danger. And MY Bernie? I've never supported Bernie Sanders because I've read what Vermonters have to say about his politics; he's just a sheepdogger for Democratic presidential candidates.
I noticed you didn't take on Hillary's behavior as Secretary of State, nor her and Bill's activities in the DLC, yes, the DLC not just the DNC. And tell me exactly what kind of woman remains with a man who hung with Jeffrey Epstein and even shocked a Democratic operative he was dining with when he ran his hand up a waitress's leg. They are a POWER COUPLE and that TRUMPS everything.
So a third of your post is about woman being blamed for the actions of a man. And I’m sorry, I also was a Democrat as a teen but guess what — so were my parents. I have more redirect fit someone that engages in critical thinking and changes their mind, which she obviously did in her late teens as well. It’s disingenuous to target a teenager for their reasoning — on of the reasons I am against surgical intervention of so-called trans kids! I think Hillary Clinton did many extraordinarily good things as Secretary of State which you’ve conveniently erased — that’s what I mean by cherry picking. You obviously have your narrative and are going to stick with it. I am relieved that you aren’t just a disgruntled Sanders supporter — I get very tired of the excusing-away of his many, many faults. And the simultaneous harsher targeting of Hillary, as I said in my initial post, as both are symptoms of misogyny. Have a good evening.
Indeed. That scumbag pretended to arrest Sarah Everard.
And before that he pretended to go into policing out of the goodness of his heart. And he bothered to go through all the effort entailed in becoming a police officer - he didn't just wear a uniform for 6 months, and then get a piece of paper saying he was a police officer. I'm sure he promised to be a good police officer for the rest of his life.
Yes of course, she's right. I mean, serial killer Ted Bundy didn't approach women on numerous occasions while wearing a cast or appearing otherwise disabled, and ask them to help him put something in his car, so he could then grab them and abduct them. No, of course he didn't.
He also showed up at their doors and because he was nice-looking they often let him into their homes. Women are raised to be gullible, and I'm personally testifying to that.
Clintonian levels of tergiversation. Predatory and abusive men haven't *had to* pretend to be anything else. They've frequently found it very convenient, though. Shall we increase the convenience of predation for them, because they don't really need it?
Yes! I really don't want to have a locksmith try to engage me in a conversation about how lovely all of my neighbours are whilst replacing the deadlock on my front door.
I don't agree with the line of "if you don't speak up, you are complicit". I have listened to the mother of the swimmer a few times and sent it to some friends, suggesting they do so. But how we bring ppl to see this obvious and shocking injustice is a delicate line to walk.
It is hard. I have gone in too 'hot' with friends in the past - lost a couple, actually. But then they didn't want to even listen - were more prepared to think I had changed than that something was really wrong. Some of this stuff is so unbelievable it makes us sound mad when we tell people. Others don't ever read or watch media that challenges the dogma. I'm now taking a more drip-drip approach.
Everyone can, without speaking up like that mother, do something though. Comment like this; write to your MP; write thanking MP's or other representatives who do speak up; contribute to crowdfunders for legal cases; support groups such as Sex Matters, fairplay for Women, WOLF, LGB Alliance, Transgendertrend, For Women Scotland. Heck, subscribing to this blog is doing something.
That happens to me. I think they just can't bear to think about it, esp after the covid fear based 2 yrs we've just been through. I reckon they think it won't affect them or their children and can't let their minds go there if it did??
Here's my take on this: If people are willing to have a back-and-forth, I'll talk with them about anything. But when they want to talk and then expect me to shut up, I'm done with them. A neighbor brought up religion then told me she didn't talk about religion. My aunt and I had an agreement to leave politics alone, then she started screaming at me about Brett Kavanaugh (supreme court justice, drunken sexual predator).
I think Germaine Greer has some interesting ideas about complicity and a lot of it is based on what's important to a person: Is your career/sports standing/competition the most important thing to you? Or are truth and ethics important to you? I realized long ago that many of America's children seek solace in drugs because their parents' values are utter trash.
I'm glad to say that my friend who brought up pronouns in an email wanted me to send her links, which I did, everything from Jennifer Bilek to that hilarious A Day in the Life of Woke essay.
Yes utterly stupid comment since whether or not predatory men "ever had to pretend to be something else" is beside the point. If the opportunity to pretend to be something else is given and predatory men believe it will help them achieve their goal then they will take the opportunity.
Here it is. Extraordinary. https://twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1499436890000347153?s=20&t=8ryUOrz9rxb3a1lwPPJH1A
Is it wrong to thick-shame?
Don't offend the imbeciles! It's imbecilic-phobic!
Never !
She is either deluded or stupid or both. Men have of course never done anything underhand to gain access to victims. Nope nothing to see in the Catholic church, no-one used a warrant card to pretend to arrest their victim, no-one ever claims to be a woman to gain access to womens spaces except, they did, he did and they do and there absolutely is evidence. Perhaps we should all send her an example and get others to do the same? Inundate her with fucking evidence.
Check also any children's homes (not just the religious ones) or those men who chat up single mothers to get access to their kids.
Or maybe she thinks everyone else is stupid and easily mislead. She will find out how stupid they really are when she counts her votes at the next election.
Are we allowed to suggest on here that someone should fuck off immediately into the wilderness with their shameless denial of basic reality? or does that break posting rules
Don't saddle what little wilderness is left with creepy freaks!
Well, there's always Gruinard Island.
You'll have to tell me what that is!
Anthrax
This is neither twatter nor facebook so yes, knock yourself out
I am so disgusted by these weak women! They should be all made to use men spaces.
They lack broad life experience and are clueless of the lives of less privileged women. Unknown world never discovered as they stick close to people like themselves - but they speak proudly like experts.
I remember when I was a kid in the sixties, my own father warned me and my sister never to get into a man's car, even if we knew the man as an acquaintance of his. I was about seven at the time, but when I was a little older and saw the news, I always remembered his advice. I'm sure most women are told to be wary of men generally. This idiot is dishonest.
Yes they had tv awareness campaigns in the 70s where the bloke pulls up in a car and tells the kids their mum sent him 🚩
When I was a young woman I accompanied my boss to court. My job was to watch, listen and learn, take notes and hardly open my mouth. I was hardly naive but I believed in right and wrong. It was a baptism of fire. I was hearing men like him and others who I respected, or wanted to learn from, talking life and the law. About women on juries letting men off for rape and murder and then I followed the research done year after year on the odd attitudes many women have about other women. Again and again it was the men saying it was the women with the vile attitudes to other women and the weird justifications about asking for it, deserving it, or being 'that type of woman'. Just as vicious and shaming as men and often much worse and almost enjoying the cruelty of it. Oooh I've sons similar ages, they're good boys they are, never harm a fly, he's a good boy, it was her the tart, look at her, he's too attractive to need to, she was asking for it, drunk, flirting by existing, short skirt blah blah blah. Text book examples of misogyny and why some prosecuting this kind of crap have to stop after some cases as you are face to face with the utter jarring bizarro world day in, day out. How people will do their utmost to defend the indefensible and happily accuse those they have decided are lying or brought it on themselves.
Buying in to men are more important - might not even realise they hold that belief
I'd almost feel sorry for the men forced to share their spaces with her...
/sarcasm
hehe
This is so unbelievably stupid I need context - I can't actually believe anyone with a pulse and xx chromosomes could possible thing such a thing...
I have learned to believe that anyone with a pulse and XX chromosomes is capable of anything. See, e.g., Madeline Albright, Hillary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, Amy Coney Barrett, and all the many women who might just as well have been men.
How irritating of you to lump Hillary Clinton in with right-wingers — she was to the left of both Obama and Bernie Sanders, and who has been the victim of a 30-year+ smear campaign of misogyny, more recently propped up by everyone’s dictator du jour Vlad Putin. Judged far more harshly than ANY male. Punching bag for fake leftist woke rod and their handmaidens. I guess Graham’s point is salient — women can’t see their own misogyny.
I might suggest you read Diana Johnstone's book The Queen of Chaos. Hillary Clinton is a Republican who set out to turn the Democratic Party into Republican-Lite with the help of her sexual predator husband. Hillary supported Barry Goldwater's run for the White House in 1964 when he wanted to drop nuclear bombs on Vietnamese peasants. She went ahead with destroying Libya -- Obama and the Joint Chiefs opposed U.S. activity in Libya, but let her go ahead with her evil plans -- and was delighted at Qaddafi's being raped with a bayonet; Libya now has open slave markets when it was once the richest country in Africa. As Secretary of State she oversaw the coup overturning the democratically elected head of Honduras; Honduras now has the highest murder rate in Latin America, due at least partially to the U.S. shipping gangs there.
I do not believe she has been judged more harshly than any male. I have been a radical feminist for 50 years and I do not excuse women who might as well be men and who do evil just as well as any man. That is definitively NOT misogyny.
Talk about cherry picking. “ Hillary supported Barry Goldwater's run for the White House in 1964 when he wanted to drop nuclear bombs on Vietnamese peasants.” Hilary as a teenager with Republican parents supported Goldwater for the presidency. As a fucking teenager. Within two years of university she was heavily embedded in the civil rights movement and working for the left-wing — unlike your fake, civil-rights-appropriating poseur Bernie Sanders, still penning essays about his rape fantasies into his 30s, and soon a deadbeat dad. But mediocre males are gonna rise, aren’t they? The rest of your post is similarly skewed, Putinesque bullshit — you’ve hit everyone of his trolls’ talking points, kudos.
Sorry, I was 10 years old when Barry Goldwater ran for president and I had enough sense to know he was an imminent danger. And MY Bernie? I've never supported Bernie Sanders because I've read what Vermonters have to say about his politics; he's just a sheepdogger for Democratic presidential candidates.
I noticed you didn't take on Hillary's behavior as Secretary of State, nor her and Bill's activities in the DLC, yes, the DLC not just the DNC. And tell me exactly what kind of woman remains with a man who hung with Jeffrey Epstein and even shocked a Democratic operative he was dining with when he ran his hand up a waitress's leg. They are a POWER COUPLE and that TRUMPS everything.
So a third of your post is about woman being blamed for the actions of a man. And I’m sorry, I also was a Democrat as a teen but guess what — so were my parents. I have more redirect fit someone that engages in critical thinking and changes their mind, which she obviously did in her late teens as well. It’s disingenuous to target a teenager for their reasoning — on of the reasons I am against surgical intervention of so-called trans kids! I think Hillary Clinton did many extraordinarily good things as Secretary of State which you’ve conveniently erased — that’s what I mean by cherry picking. You obviously have your narrative and are going to stick with it. I am relieved that you aren’t just a disgruntled Sanders supporter — I get very tired of the excusing-away of his many, many faults. And the simultaneous harsher targeting of Hillary, as I said in my initial post, as both are symptoms of misogyny. Have a good evening.
Indeed. That scumbag pretended to arrest Sarah Everard.
And before that he pretended to go into policing out of the goodness of his heart. And he bothered to go through all the effort entailed in becoming a police officer - he didn't just wear a uniform for 6 months, and then get a piece of paper saying he was a police officer. I'm sure he promised to be a good police officer for the rest of his life.
Throwing other women under the bus won't save you from misogynistic attack.
Yes of course, she's right. I mean, serial killer Ted Bundy didn't approach women on numerous occasions while wearing a cast or appearing otherwise disabled, and ask them to help him put something in his car, so he could then grab them and abduct them. No, of course he didn't.
He also showed up at their doors and because he was nice-looking they often let him into their homes. Women are raised to be gullible, and I'm personally testifying to that.
Clintonian levels of tergiversation. Predatory and abusive men haven't *had to* pretend to be anything else. They've frequently found it very convenient, though. Shall we increase the convenience of predation for them, because they don't really need it?
Yes. Burglars don't HAVE to break a window to get into the house, so let's leave one open
And the front door unlocked.
Yes! I really don't want to have a locksmith try to engage me in a conversation about how lovely all of my neighbours are whilst replacing the deadlock on my front door.
And is there any evidence that abusive men have NOT dressed as women or taken any other action in order to abuse, Shona?
She should be made to read the Women Are Human website then get back to us.
I don't agree with the line of "if you don't speak up, you are complicit". I have listened to the mother of the swimmer a few times and sent it to some friends, suggesting they do so. But how we bring ppl to see this obvious and shocking injustice is a delicate line to walk.
It is hard. I have gone in too 'hot' with friends in the past - lost a couple, actually. But then they didn't want to even listen - were more prepared to think I had changed than that something was really wrong. Some of this stuff is so unbelievable it makes us sound mad when we tell people. Others don't ever read or watch media that challenges the dogma. I'm now taking a more drip-drip approach.
Everyone can, without speaking up like that mother, do something though. Comment like this; write to your MP; write thanking MP's or other representatives who do speak up; contribute to crowdfunders for legal cases; support groups such as Sex Matters, fairplay for Women, WOLF, LGB Alliance, Transgendertrend, For Women Scotland. Heck, subscribing to this blog is doing something.
Yep and also
Standingforwomen" .Kellie Jay Keene( aka Posie Parker)'s.amazing !!
That happens to me. I think they just can't bear to think about it, esp after the covid fear based 2 yrs we've just been through. I reckon they think it won't affect them or their children and can't let their minds go there if it did??
That's definitely true of some. I've been talking about this for 5 years or so though.
True.i've been accused ,by a friend ,of " making this all up " I wish I was !! It's a freaking nightmare ,every bit of it 😭😭😭
Here's my take on this: If people are willing to have a back-and-forth, I'll talk with them about anything. But when they want to talk and then expect me to shut up, I'm done with them. A neighbor brought up religion then told me she didn't talk about religion. My aunt and I had an agreement to leave politics alone, then she started screaming at me about Brett Kavanaugh (supreme court justice, drunken sexual predator).
I think Germaine Greer has some interesting ideas about complicity and a lot of it is based on what's important to a person: Is your career/sports standing/competition the most important thing to you? Or are truth and ethics important to you? I realized long ago that many of America's children seek solace in drugs because their parents' values are utter trash.
I'm with you. I'm lucky I can open my mouth, so many people simply cannot and it's not fair to have a go.
I'm glad to say that my friend who brought up pronouns in an email wanted me to send her links, which I did, everything from Jennifer Bilek to that hilarious A Day in the Life of Woke essay.
Truly, Madly, Deeply…stupid.
Is she saying “that’s what men are like”? Yes -we know!
Men have said mass in Latin....you stupid stupid woman
Yes utterly stupid comment since whether or not predatory men "ever had to pretend to be something else" is beside the point. If the opportunity to pretend to be something else is given and predatory men believe it will help them achieve their goal then they will take the opportunity.
Instead of debating the likes of Laverty I would dearly wish for Joyce, Bindel or Stock to challenge Robison to a public debate…