Trans activists have long smeared gender-critical women as ‘Nazis’—which has proved a convenient shorthand for “I’m not talking to you and nobody else should listen to a word you say, and—if someone punched your lights out—that would be a win for humanity.” But
Clearly. And tbh on the basis of these Hucrum tweets I've got to say this is a being of lesser intelligence speaking. That doesn't mean I have any desire or need to euthanize him, or even chicaner him. Although he'd probably say I'm doing just that (both chicane and killing him) by calling him him.
Mostly probably, it is literal violence (as they say) after all! The trouble with social media is it presents all views - both from the willfully ignorant and stupid and from the informed and intelligent as equal and thus people pick and choose what sounds best to them. "The be kind" brigade seem to be able to turn off their logic filters and lap up this sort of thing as it fits their internal value of "not being a bigot" and if they are not a bigot and a member of the sacred caste says this, ergo it must be true. I know a couple people with law degrees i.e. trained (alledgedly) to think logically and construct an argument, who fall for this hook line and sinker because their inner values align with appearing to not be a bigot. We need the mainstream media (not the right wing as it's easily dismissed as being right wing propaganda) to run with the horrendous stories of women being raped in hospital by a man who was on the womens ward, being raped in prison etc. I'm pretty sure you know this, but as it's not a private message I thought it might be useful to write this here anyway. Lots of us know, but there are always new people :)
I think Eliza is pulling her punches on this subject a little.
The 'all Terfs are Nazi's' attempted slur is one that should attract deeper analysis. It is generally applied to anyone who isn't a TRA. We perhaps shouldn't be surprised by it, President Vladimir Putin has employed the 'Nazi' slur against The Ukraine, proclaiming it to be a Nazi state, though President Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy being born of Jewish parents does rather pose a problem with that line.
Likewise the difficulty in trying to assert that gender-critical women, mostly identified as leftist (the groups Women's Place in the UK and WoLF - Women's Liberation Front - in the US are decidedly Leftist) have suddenly become out-and-out National Socialists, routinely leaves observers a little confused.
Do these 'Nazi's' for instance espouse the values and beliefs inherent of National Socialism? Such as obedience to The Führer (died 1945) and the National Socialist Racial Ideology and Völkisch movement? In any writing, speeches, Twitter or other social media postings, demonstration banners or any other form of media, have any gender critical women or other supporters expressed any love, agreement or obedience to National Socialist ideology? I would have to presume that to be 'Nazi's' they'd have to be doing this near enough every single day.
And let's not forget, TRA's are accusing these, predominantly leftist women, of not being 'like Nazi's' but rather being 'literal Nazi's'.
I reckon that these claims, like those made by President Putin, are investigated thoroughly each time we hear of them.
They don't seem to have much understanding on the role of women in Nazi thinking either. This isn't much different to accusing Women's Place (for example) of being the Taliban!
The issue is that there are ignorant peopel who don't understand what a Nazi actually is and it's used colloqually for anyone seen to be bigotted as a slur. You don;t have to be right-wing to be a Nazi, but you are deserving of the treatment of one. It also conveniently then colours anyone seen as a terf (GC) as a Nazi and not worthy of kindness, respect or safety and thus it is ok to threaten to murder and rape them. It's their way of making it ok to threaten GC people, particularly women. Otherwise they're just dicks threatening women.
Fools. Ignorant nonsense and vicious name-calling from ppl who obviously lack knowledge of both gender critical concerns and Nazism.
I would suggest that using this particular N word to denigrate anyone who disagrees with their views and falsely claims GC ppl do not value human life and wellbeing shows they could not care less about truth in general - let alone historical truth.
Let alone the millions of lives lost; the damaged, bodies and minds of those starved and worked to death, disgusting experiments and euthanasia and extermination of healthy 'underclass' bodies ... the evil and pain to millions of real people caused by an all-encompassing totalitarian, false, murderous, avaricious, narcissistic, and genocidal racial supremacist, inhumane and yes gender-affirming*, Nazi ideology.
*eg sex-appropriate behaviour rigidly and murderously albeit hypocritically enforced.
If they did know, they would also realise Nazism has NOTHING to do with honest, open free thought and speech, good faith or rational, serious, compassionate discussion of trans issues - whether the other person agrees with them or not.
So amazing that you just wrote this as a good doctor just told me that the nazi doctors induced nipple secretions from men in experiments - because they can - reminiscing of the complicit endocrinologists in Australia doing this now for their trainwomen patients. 😡
Brilliant post and the parallels between Nazi Doctors and gender "reassignment" (aka sex change) surgeons is patently obvious! DARVO yet again 👎Thanks for posting this
One of the world's first TS who had GRS was Lili Elbe (the subject of the film The Danish Girl) LE's initial surgery was performed by the German surgeon Erwin Gohrbandt. An interesting character. Hated homosexuals and effeminate men. He though the best way to deal with them was to turn them into women. He became an enthusiastic NAZI and was able to experiment on disabled children and Untermenschen children who were under his care as a paediatrician. He also was involved with the hypothermia experiments at Dachau. After the war he was rehabilitated and worked for the East German government. Using surgery to mutilate confused homosexuals. Hmm... still happening, but you will be labelled a NAZI for complaining about the practice. Ironic.
Eliza crystallized what most troubled me about Genspect’s Steensman & Devries interview: Their sloppy, hand waving rationalizations and justifications of how despite not adhering to the standard rules and principles of medical research, which they acknowledged, in designing and executing the study nor in analyzing the results, it didn’t matter because they would have arrived at the same conclusion if they had.
The utter callousness and absence of curiosity about how their patients ended up doing in life was surpassed only by their at best laissez-faire selection of study participants.
If I recall correctly when asked about how they thought about and what criteria they used to select study participants, neither could give a straight answer and said effectively “it’s not like we signed up whoever walked through the door.”
When the follow up questions “how many of your age-eligible patients did you enroll” and then “out of how many”… the % was so extraordinarily high (can someone lend an assist and tell us the stat?) that it left no doubt in my mind that in fact they did enroll almost immediately any kid who walked through their doors.
The interview was masterfully done and should be required listening for anyone who thinks “science” “shows” puberty blockers et al are in any way beneficial to any sex questioning child or adolescent.
Eliza captured the indelible impression these two “doctors” made on me: We can do whatever we want to these girls and boys and as long as they don’t kill themselves in the next couple years we can Pat ourselves on the back and sleep well.
Hurcum is projecting. GC people do not regard trans as “lesser” but some trans people clearly regard themselves as divine. Their apparent infatuation with Gnosticism, sometimes subconscious but definitely there, must be viewed with suspicion as in their eyes it is us who are the lesser mud people.
Exactly this Eliza! When the transactivists accuse GC people of being Nazi it looks like classic transference to me.
Clearly. And tbh on the basis of these Hucrum tweets I've got to say this is a being of lesser intelligence speaking. That doesn't mean I have any desire or need to euthanize him, or even chicaner him. Although he'd probably say I'm doing just that (both chicane and killing him) by calling him him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU23GNPUcAAXHlr?format=jpg&name=medium
Mostly probably, it is literal violence (as they say) after all! The trouble with social media is it presents all views - both from the willfully ignorant and stupid and from the informed and intelligent as equal and thus people pick and choose what sounds best to them. "The be kind" brigade seem to be able to turn off their logic filters and lap up this sort of thing as it fits their internal value of "not being a bigot" and if they are not a bigot and a member of the sacred caste says this, ergo it must be true. I know a couple people with law degrees i.e. trained (alledgedly) to think logically and construct an argument, who fall for this hook line and sinker because their inner values align with appearing to not be a bigot. We need the mainstream media (not the right wing as it's easily dismissed as being right wing propaganda) to run with the horrendous stories of women being raped in hospital by a man who was on the womens ward, being raped in prison etc. I'm pretty sure you know this, but as it's not a private message I thought it might be useful to write this here anyway. Lots of us know, but there are always new people :)
There's also a mighty thread from Eliza yesterday. It's been widely shared, but just in case - https://twitter.com/elizamondegreen/status/1534586565326143488
Thanks for sharing. I'm not on Twitter so missed it.
I think Eliza is pulling her punches on this subject a little.
The 'all Terfs are Nazi's' attempted slur is one that should attract deeper analysis. It is generally applied to anyone who isn't a TRA. We perhaps shouldn't be surprised by it, President Vladimir Putin has employed the 'Nazi' slur against The Ukraine, proclaiming it to be a Nazi state, though President Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy being born of Jewish parents does rather pose a problem with that line.
Likewise the difficulty in trying to assert that gender-critical women, mostly identified as leftist (the groups Women's Place in the UK and WoLF - Women's Liberation Front - in the US are decidedly Leftist) have suddenly become out-and-out National Socialists, routinely leaves observers a little confused.
Do these 'Nazi's' for instance espouse the values and beliefs inherent of National Socialism? Such as obedience to The Führer (died 1945) and the National Socialist Racial Ideology and Völkisch movement? In any writing, speeches, Twitter or other social media postings, demonstration banners or any other form of media, have any gender critical women or other supporters expressed any love, agreement or obedience to National Socialist ideology? I would have to presume that to be 'Nazi's' they'd have to be doing this near enough every single day.
And let's not forget, TRA's are accusing these, predominantly leftist women, of not being 'like Nazi's' but rather being 'literal Nazi's'.
I reckon that these claims, like those made by President Putin, are investigated thoroughly each time we hear of them.
They don't seem to have much understanding on the role of women in Nazi thinking either. This isn't much different to accusing Women's Place (for example) of being the Taliban!
The issue is that there are ignorant peopel who don't understand what a Nazi actually is and it's used colloqually for anyone seen to be bigotted as a slur. You don;t have to be right-wing to be a Nazi, but you are deserving of the treatment of one. It also conveniently then colours anyone seen as a terf (GC) as a Nazi and not worthy of kindness, respect or safety and thus it is ok to threaten to murder and rape them. It's their way of making it ok to threaten GC people, particularly women. Otherwise they're just dicks threatening women.
That's right, I never think of people waving swastikas and wolfangels as Nazis.
Sterlization, castration, medical experimentation, cult mantras, youth clubs -- if it looks like a duck ...
Bravo!
Fools. Ignorant nonsense and vicious name-calling from ppl who obviously lack knowledge of both gender critical concerns and Nazism.
I would suggest that using this particular N word to denigrate anyone who disagrees with their views and falsely claims GC ppl do not value human life and wellbeing shows they could not care less about truth in general - let alone historical truth.
Let alone the millions of lives lost; the damaged, bodies and minds of those starved and worked to death, disgusting experiments and euthanasia and extermination of healthy 'underclass' bodies ... the evil and pain to millions of real people caused by an all-encompassing totalitarian, false, murderous, avaricious, narcissistic, and genocidal racial supremacist, inhumane and yes gender-affirming*, Nazi ideology.
*eg sex-appropriate behaviour rigidly and murderously albeit hypocritically enforced.
If they did know, they would also realise Nazism has NOTHING to do with honest, open free thought and speech, good faith or rational, serious, compassionate discussion of trans issues - whether the other person agrees with them or not.
So amazing that you just wrote this as a good doctor just told me that the nazi doctors induced nipple secretions from men in experiments - because they can - reminiscing of the complicit endocrinologists in Australia doing this now for their trainwomen patients. 😡
eww
Brilliant post and the parallels between Nazi Doctors and gender "reassignment" (aka sex change) surgeons is patently obvious! DARVO yet again 👎Thanks for posting this
One of the world's first TS who had GRS was Lili Elbe (the subject of the film The Danish Girl) LE's initial surgery was performed by the German surgeon Erwin Gohrbandt. An interesting character. Hated homosexuals and effeminate men. He though the best way to deal with them was to turn them into women. He became an enthusiastic NAZI and was able to experiment on disabled children and Untermenschen children who were under his care as a paediatrician. He also was involved with the hypothermia experiments at Dachau. After the war he was rehabilitated and worked for the East German government. Using surgery to mutilate confused homosexuals. Hmm... still happening, but you will be labelled a NAZI for complaining about the practice. Ironic.
Eliza crystallized what most troubled me about Genspect’s Steensman & Devries interview: Their sloppy, hand waving rationalizations and justifications of how despite not adhering to the standard rules and principles of medical research, which they acknowledged, in designing and executing the study nor in analyzing the results, it didn’t matter because they would have arrived at the same conclusion if they had.
The utter callousness and absence of curiosity about how their patients ended up doing in life was surpassed only by their at best laissez-faire selection of study participants.
If I recall correctly when asked about how they thought about and what criteria they used to select study participants, neither could give a straight answer and said effectively “it’s not like we signed up whoever walked through the door.”
When the follow up questions “how many of your age-eligible patients did you enroll” and then “out of how many”… the % was so extraordinarily high (can someone lend an assist and tell us the stat?) that it left no doubt in my mind that in fact they did enroll almost immediately any kid who walked through their doors.
The interview was masterfully done and should be required listening for anyone who thinks “science” “shows” puberty blockers et al are in any way beneficial to any sex questioning child or adolescent.
Eliza captured the indelible impression these two “doctors” made on me: We can do whatever we want to these girls and boys and as long as they don’t kill themselves in the next couple years we can Pat ourselves on the back and sleep well.
oh hes the queer twat whos mayor somewhere in Wales? absolute dumbfuck
This is correct.
Hurcum is projecting. GC people do not regard trans as “lesser” but some trans people clearly regard themselves as divine. Their apparent infatuation with Gnosticism, sometimes subconscious but definitely there, must be viewed with suspicion as in their eyes it is us who are the lesser mud people.