Thank you, Glinner, for boosting this. I’m one of the supporters of this move against creeping ideology - there is no credible evidence base for the training, there has been no impact assessment for it on mothers or indeed on midwives and others caring for mothers….most do not want to be trained into talking about birthing people or chestfeeding. Divorcing women from their sexed bodies and sexed experiences to make sex appear irrelevant or even unmentionable is all part of the trans ideology that’s so harmful to women.
Chest doesn't even refer to breasts. Doctors say, let me listen to your chest, when they want to make sure your lungs are clear. It's introducing imprecision into medical areas which is dangerous. Whatever next...chest cancer?
You could assume chest feeding involves spooning your lungs out. Just so ridiculous to not use the perfect nouns … especially considering trans people understand precisely what the word means also.
I don't know about the numbers for the UK, but for Australia in... I think 2021? there were exactly 22 live births to trans-identifying Mothers. That works out to about 1 in every 14,000 births.
1/14,000
0.007% (that's 0.007 of a single percentage point)
How very mArGiNaLiZeD indeed🙄 If this shit doesn't make it obvious that there are powerful moneyed interests behind it all for ulterior reasons, then nothing will.
In my opinion Social Services need to be involved if mothers are taking testosterone- what harm is being done to these poor children? So angry at the corrupt and harmful lobbying destroying our services and people‘s lives
Exulansic has been reporting on one woman who is completely self-absorbed and seems to find her baby an annoyance. She is clearly unprepared to be a parent and I hate to think what is going to happen to the baby.
That this was not researched before prescribing is negligent in my opinion - ie if it is possible to do research, perhaps it isn’t? Years ago I came into contact a lot with women (includes mums) who misused alcohol and other drugs - they had social services all over their lives. Is testosterone licensed for women to use for mental health, or for social reasons?
Who is responsible for these areas funded from our taxes? I want to see accountability and responsibility. Leadership is needed. It shouldn’t be up to Glinner (or us) to be pointing this out
Hear! Hear! The long-term effects of testosterone on a pregnant woman should be researched as a dispassionate, scientific project: the midwife takes blood samples anyway so asking for levels of pregnancy hormones AND testosterone is perfectly feasible. I would carry out more ultrasound scans too.
You can't do this type of work on pregnant women but I suspect some are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of these women (who are under the mistaken belief that they are 'men') being default test subjects. One of the trans rights activists who regularly fights on Twitter is apparently working on artificial wombs. These men flock to these fields.
I wonder what they are up to with lab mice.
Look at the coverage and its application to puberty blockers and other 'affirming care'. Then what happens when things go wrong.
I saw a sales pitch video on lotus eaters for ‘pods’. They were intending to produce these contraptions that looked just like the pods in The Matrix. A whole crop of babies all being grown in a big room. It was quite nightmarish.
Frankly, she is unfit to be a mother. First, she’s delusional to think she’s male. Her pregnancy should be a wake-up call that she is about as female as one could get.
Second, she’s taking testosterone to feed her delusion, indifferent to the effect of testosterone on fetus. Warped maternal instinct
The only reason women need to have exogenous testosterone is if their levels are too low for females. Usually during menopause. Women who are able to still get pregnant probably haven't had enough testosterone to damage their reproductive system to prevent pregnancy but, there could still be enough to cause long term effects in the foetus which may not be apparent till after birth.
All "trans" treatments which are wrong cross sex hormone levels, needless harmful surgeries and tbe evil "puberty blockers" should be entirely banned for all ages. There is no clinical reason for any of these drugs/surgeries. It is purely medically aided self harm and if women are pregnant then it harms the foetus.
It's a gender exclusion programme excluding women. The NHS should stop wasting money and time on this trash and concentrate on patients and pregnant women.
Also, don't you just luv the idea of trans-identifying "birthing parents" literally showing up at the obstetric theater?
So, like... Being called a "Woman" or a "Mother" will throw these very very special princesses into an ostensible spiral of dysphoric malaise and even give them thoughts of sewer-sliding, but, at the very same time they're perfectly OK with CARRYING A CHILD TO TERM AND GIVING BIRTH? What the actual exact fuck is the logic reconciling those, again?
Exactly. But even worse, i wonder if part of this bullshit language is to avoid upsetting the 'trans women' (TIMs) who don't want to feel hurt by being excluded from conversations about motherhood...!?
Of course it is and they - this tiny percentage now have power to restrict and remove the rest of us. They've been given that power. This is the natural conclusion of making discrimination between categories discriminatory in the 'hateful' sense. It's bonkers. Any difference is therefore wrong. It's pure Queer Theory and I still don't understand how others aren't realising this.
I am not something else, so that something else may not now be mentioned or even exist as it 'upsets' me. It's the most coercive thing I struggle to comprehend.
Signed. As a retired midwife who practiced for 43 years before retiring 11 years ago ,I am truly appalled by this ,yet another attempt to erase women / mothers ,and at a time when they are performing the most female / womanly function there is !! Female is female regardless of how they " self identify" and no woman should risk the health of
There is research (please don’t ask me to cite it, it’s too early) and it indicates that there is a teratogenic implication for testosterone in pregnancy.
That wouldn't be at all surprising. After scandals such as Thalidomide and several others ,including Sodium Valproate , it's really shocking that the medical profession advises women to avoid medication during pregnancy, where possible but at the same time approves ,or at least doesn't object to , the use of wrong sex hormones while pregnant.!!
I'm afraid the protection of mothers and their babies seems to have been tossed out of the window recently as was proven during covid with the fanatical drive to jab everyone and to hell with the consequences if anything goes wrong. If an overwhelming narrative is important to be pushed, then that takes precedence over the health of anyone it seems, even infants.
As I wrote that I felt sick, child protection now seems to no longer be the priority it used to be.
I'm in the UK, where things have never been perfect. Perhaps I was under an illusion and assumed it was important. However, with the revelations about 'grooming gangs' (meaning Pakistani rape gangs ) being ignored for decades and thousands of young girls abused or even murdered and still to some extent being ignored. Then we had the scant regard for children during lockdowns and the vaccine mess. The facade of care and protection if it was ever there, has gone, even though many still pretend.
Sorry for ignorance - had to look up 'teratogenic' - now I know it means developmental abnormality ..... expect the words 'abnormal' and 'teratogenic' (and probably 'disease' and 'sickness') will be deemed transphobic and replaced with sthing like 'developmentally and/or physiologically untypical' ...
That's exactly the same thinking as to why lots of services are now 'health and wellbeing'. Everything suddenly became 'wellbeing' a while back. Same populations, same thinking and approaches (good and bad). Everything is recast as 'difference'. We now can't support people as they are now 'just' 'differently abled'. This mucking about with language confuses.
How dare you even ask if 'abnormal' is acceptable ;-). We have to be careful now to state 'normal or usual for me' when describing symptoms. Comparisons, causations and correlations aren't allowed, looking across populations is also forbidden, let alone patterns. I prefer looking at root causes and preventative care, but that is utterly lost in this morass of obfuscation.
Yes, equity, which on casual impression looks maybe like it means equality. But doesn't. I don't like to leap on some words and parse them til the cows come home but they've captured vocabulary and therefore our framework to understand everything and each other. All those men who adhere to 'different' ethical standards eh. And we are propping up their fantasies to be provided with services and sanitary products they don't need and we do. Then women giving birth who insist on the fantasy that they are men. The word 'need' is disputed too.
Social justice arsonists have tried to change what they view as 'justice' too and it's not what I understand that word to mean either.
Maternity care is often dangerous and I cannot believe they are marching on with this nonsense instead of addressing that.
this insanity has already happened to maternity services and family planning here in new zealand. it is completely bananas and confusing for young women and any one with literacy issues. it is an exclusionary practice that makes essential services more difficult to access for those vulnerable women that need them most.
I think it was from NZ/aotearoa that I saw a screen grab a few months ago from a Lamaze class registration page, on which "Pregnant Person" was one of the choices, "Mother" was not, but "Father" ••WAS•• another choice.
Seeet jesus on a half shall, talk about the quiet part out loud SMH... and while we're here i'll note that not only is the Womanhood and humanity of Mothers being erased, but even the POSSIBILITY that the pregnant Woman might have a lesbian partner has been obliterated altogether.
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Am an actual, real live Pacific islander BTW so there's definitely no virtue signaling in that "aotearoa" up there 😀
thank you for that great example. keeping father as an option but erasing mother says it all really. it is upsetting and enraging. particularly because so many new zealanders are too mind blown by covid lockdowns to want to even notice what else is happening to their human rights.
maybe other includes mother these days. after all it's only an 'm' away. surprising they bother with all the categories really. may as well just be 'those with magical feelings' and 'all the rest' .
This is exactly their argument - but but 'person' includes us all so what's yer problem. We've become a sub category of ourselves or a category of men, or totally removed, that's our problem with this!
we will all be men in the end maybe. i think about the misguided women butchering themselves to pretend to be men. but they don't attempt mens prisons or sports because they know they won't pass. men don't even need to exclude them as they are too timid to try. but the men who pretend to be women just barrel on through women's everything. so ultimately men remain men and men also are women. and women and the silly women pretending to be men are just lost in the ether and become nothing at all.
I don’t want my taxes used for this nonsense- can’t get a doctors appointment, care support/ provision for the elderly is practically non existent - not enough doctors and nurses or ambulances- this is just more waste on stilts. Maternity services are failing. All the non jobs to do with TQIA have no business in the NHS unless they are serious research jobs and then there would be hardly any. The Conservatives are not sorting out this hideous waste of our money. Any MPs reading this newsletter STOP THIS now!
It makes me totally enraged that the idiots who issue nonsense language directives like this are paid about £100,000 per year more than my son who runs a whole linen department in a big hospital managing 8 staff and making sure the hospital has sheets, blankets , gowns etc or it would grind to a halt. If you abolished the insane diversity department nobody would notice.
Probably would notice but in the way one notices the rain has stopped and its now dry! People could speak freely without feeling threatened. All DIE depts should be axed.
Sounds like it has nothing whatever to with the quality of midwifery on offer but is purely an attempt to pervert the way we use our language to enable massaging the vanities of a tiresome little minority interest.
Is it me? I’m struggling to get my head around the fact that women who so desperately think they are men are prepared to remove healthy breasts, take testosterone but then don’t have their female organs removed in order to have a child. Men can’t have babies, or did they not do biology at school. They are self obsessed and entitled, wanting to have their cake and eat it, at the expense of the welfare/health of the unborn child.
What kind of "training" is involved in the "use of “trans inclusive language” and pronouns ".? It's nothing other than pure indoctrination and coercion. Total mind boggling hypocrisy and infantilism to call this "training"!
I can see employment tribunals being busy over this example of ‘forced belief’ after the Forstater v CGD case. Doubt that the people making this silly decision have given that any thought at all, so more NHS funds will be flushed down the toilet in trying to defend it.
Signed just now. What troubles me is that, out of all the names already there, I don't know a single one in real life. People I have worked with, people I know to be sensible people, people who should be aware of this. I'm going to spend a few hours today TERFing.
Hello Mr Wickins. I am glad to see some well-known campaigners as signatories. For example Dr Louise Irvine is a GP who is a founder of Clinical Advisory Networth on Sex and Gender (pro-biological reality!) (I know her in real life from NHS campaigning), Dr Lucy Griffin is a Psychiatry Consultant in Bristol and objected strongly when the local hospital Trust tried to implement a "guidance for the care of Trans patients" which took NO account of women patients, Dr David Bell is a psychologist and was a whistleblower at the Tavistock Clinic, Dr Az Hakeem is a gay Psychiatry Consultant who is very active in the new LGB Alliance, Judith Green founder of A Woman's Place UK, and many others. Hurray for their voices!
That's wonderful! I recognise several names from here and elsewhere around the Internet, but friends and colleagues from years in teaching medical law and ethics are notable by their absence. I've contacted a few, and their responses are all along the lines of "I know it's nonsense, but I can't risk job/career by signing". I understand to an extent, but fear for the future if people don't speak up.
Thank you Jeremy. Surely this is one of, if not the most egregious and widespread issues in current medical law and ethics. Consent and autonomy. And the misuse of statistics.
I have to be careful about using my name but I hope things are also happening in professional spaces or less in the public eye. I hope that those people you contacted will now be aware that they can do things in their own lives and wherever they know this is happening - they can have conversations. Then not promote this as anything other than a very abusive movement. They can't say 'oh I didn't realise'. One person I know in this field I got chatting to by chance having seen a flipchart in a room he used and asked what they'd been working on. This must be cross- and multi-disciplinary work.
I have only skirted on the edges of ethics but it seems to be a way to state yes, I ticked the ethics box to say I considered it, then tick, tick, tick, did what we intended anyway. Hard to see weighty issues reduced to how well you can fill a form in. 'Done' the (online) ethics module? Tick. I do some work in safety and some of the considerations are mind blowing, of the 'I'd rather not think about this but someone has to' type. Who takes or has responsibility.
And I hoped to see some public philosophers' names and they are mysteriously missing.
I hope that Sex Matters and WithWoman are planning to follow up recent exposure in "The Times" about the excessive (1) number and (2) salaries of EDI officers in the NHS. Then we need to question these NHS "EDI professionals" in Trusts and all other NHS bodies about the excessive weight given to the "Gender reassignment" protected characteristic over the "competing" PC's of sex, race and religion or belief. The "EDI" guidance which these august employees (heavy irony here) produce are not fit for purpose. Back in December 2020 a group of women campaigners in Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire produced a report for their local CCG challenging an "EDI Impact Assessment for Trans patients" which totally ignored the needs for privacy, dignity and safety of (1) women (2) religious women and (3) some minority (BAME) women. This was presented to the BNSSG CCG Board meeting held on 1st March 2021. Dr Lucy Griffin and a male GP in the area wrote a letter supporting the campaigners' report. Funnily enough I cannot find this report which I bookmarked because they are "reorganising all the records for the new ICS database". This is how important documents get lost time and again and again. Does anyone know the report which I am talking about? It was specific and devastating in the detailed analysis of failures of the so-called "assessment" which was no such thing. It was a whitewash for Trans: "If you are Trans you can do anything!"
Thanks for the heads up Una-Jane and no I didn't - let's hope someone on here does. I've just been reading about recent and proposed ICS and NHS redisorganisations. People are sick at the amount of changes and 'transformations' happening within these systems - it's breaking people. I used to talk to people about STPs (Sustainable Transformation Partnerships) and no one was aware they existed. We've got mushrooming layers and committees.
There are clinicians pleading to make the 'offer' to the public clear and simple to understand so we can look after ourselves as we can, then get the care we need when and where we need it.
EIAs (Equality Impact Assessments) and all their iterations often don't pick up on key issues and obvious conflicts like the one you mentioned.
for sum ppl with AGP, imagining themself as a pregnant woman is a turn on. for others i imagine its a conquest where the joy is crossing boundaries. maybe not all trans ID bio males have AGP. but even if they dont the fact that they imagine themself as a women means they are reconciling with the idea of pregnancy in some way. maybe they think of themself as a women who is childless for one reason or another. maybe they think of themself as a women who always wanted a child. these blokes really do think their porn fueled fantasies are the same as real life relations. some agp, gay or not gay, imagine themselves as married to a man where the result would be a pregnancy. probably most know its all fake. maybe someone should ask them.
ok thanks. no i hadnt, but i just took a look. i used the search feature and found it. thanks. still - the more examples the more it supports that this part of the fetish is a feature not a bug of the ideology.
Thank you, Glinner, for boosting this. I’m one of the supporters of this move against creeping ideology - there is no credible evidence base for the training, there has been no impact assessment for it on mothers or indeed on midwives and others caring for mothers….most do not want to be trained into talking about birthing people or chestfeeding. Divorcing women from their sexed bodies and sexed experiences to make sex appear irrelevant or even unmentionable is all part of the trans ideology that’s so harmful to women.
"Chestfeeding" is especially abject stupid nonsense because ALL anatomically complete humans have breasts. (Men can get breast cancer, too.)
Chest doesn't even refer to breasts. Doctors say, let me listen to your chest, when they want to make sure your lungs are clear. It's introducing imprecision into medical areas which is dangerous. Whatever next...chest cancer?
You could assume chest feeding involves spooning your lungs out. Just so ridiculous to not use the perfect nouns … especially considering trans people understand precisely what the word means also.
Probably!
I don't know about the numbers for the UK, but for Australia in... I think 2021? there were exactly 22 live births to trans-identifying Mothers. That works out to about 1 in every 14,000 births.
1/14,000
0.007% (that's 0.007 of a single percentage point)
How very mArGiNaLiZeD indeed🙄 If this shit doesn't make it obvious that there are powerful moneyed interests behind it all for ulterior reasons, then nothing will.
14,000 women gave birth.
13,999 women gave birth and accepted reality.
309,996 and 309,974 respectively
In my opinion Social Services need to be involved if mothers are taking testosterone- what harm is being done to these poor children? So angry at the corrupt and harmful lobbying destroying our services and people‘s lives
Exulansic has been reporting on one woman who is completely self-absorbed and seems to find her baby an annoyance. She is clearly unprepared to be a parent and I hate to think what is going to happen to the baby.
Agencies would once have helped now workers steer clear due to fear
Social services are probably trans captured!
My question is what happens to the baby developed in a trans identifying woman’s womb, when she’s been taking testosterone?
That this was not researched before prescribing is negligent in my opinion - ie if it is possible to do research, perhaps it isn’t? Years ago I came into contact a lot with women (includes mums) who misused alcohol and other drugs - they had social services all over their lives. Is testosterone licensed for women to use for mental health, or for social reasons?
Who is responsible for these areas funded from our taxes? I want to see accountability and responsibility. Leadership is needed. It shouldn’t be up to Glinner (or us) to be pointing this out
Hear! Hear! The long-term effects of testosterone on a pregnant woman should be researched as a dispassionate, scientific project: the midwife takes blood samples anyway so asking for levels of pregnancy hormones AND testosterone is perfectly feasible. I would carry out more ultrasound scans too.
They need to monitor at very least. There must be lots of evidence already regarding harms caused to babies from different types of drugs
Reading the Baroness Cumberlege reports, 'trans healthcare' repeatedly came to mind and I think it's obvious in how they are written.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-medicines-and-medical-devices-safety-review-report
You can't do this type of work on pregnant women but I suspect some are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of these women (who are under the mistaken belief that they are 'men') being default test subjects. One of the trans rights activists who regularly fights on Twitter is apparently working on artificial wombs. These men flock to these fields.
I wonder what they are up to with lab mice.
Look at the coverage and its application to puberty blockers and other 'affirming care'. Then what happens when things go wrong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57741170
https://www.bevanbrittan.com/insights/articles/2020/first-do-no-harm-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-cumberlege-review/
I saw a sales pitch video on lotus eaters for ‘pods’. They were intending to produce these contraptions that looked just like the pods in The Matrix. A whole crop of babies all being grown in a big room. It was quite nightmarish.
Thanks for links
Frankly, she is unfit to be a mother. First, she’s delusional to think she’s male. Her pregnancy should be a wake-up call that she is about as female as one could get.
Second, she’s taking testosterone to feed her delusion, indifferent to the effect of testosterone on fetus. Warped maternal instinct
Poor baby born to such a mother.
Poor baby indeed
The only reason women need to have exogenous testosterone is if their levels are too low for females. Usually during menopause. Women who are able to still get pregnant probably haven't had enough testosterone to damage their reproductive system to prevent pregnancy but, there could still be enough to cause long term effects in the foetus which may not be apparent till after birth.
All "trans" treatments which are wrong cross sex hormone levels, needless harmful surgeries and tbe evil "puberty blockers" should be entirely banned for all ages. There is no clinical reason for any of these drugs/surgeries. It is purely medically aided self harm and if women are pregnant then it harms the foetus.
Thanks, how can it not harm their babies
It's a gender exclusion programme excluding women. The NHS should stop wasting money and time on this trash and concentrate on patients and pregnant women.
Good thing the NHS is currently flush with surplus cash and can easily afford it without bare-bonesing other services, hm?
Also, don't you just luv the idea of trans-identifying "birthing parents" literally showing up at the obstetric theater?
So, like... Being called a "Woman" or a "Mother" will throw these very very special princesses into an ostensible spiral of dysphoric malaise and even give them thoughts of sewer-sliding, but, at the very same time they're perfectly OK with CARRYING A CHILD TO TERM AND GIVING BIRTH? What the actual exact fuck is the logic reconciling those, again?
Exactly. But even worse, i wonder if part of this bullshit language is to avoid upsetting the 'trans women' (TIMs) who don't want to feel hurt by being excluded from conversations about motherhood...!?
Of course it is and they - this tiny percentage now have power to restrict and remove the rest of us. They've been given that power. This is the natural conclusion of making discrimination between categories discriminatory in the 'hateful' sense. It's bonkers. Any difference is therefore wrong. It's pure Queer Theory and I still don't understand how others aren't realising this.
I am not something else, so that something else may not now be mentioned or even exist as it 'upsets' me. It's the most coercive thing I struggle to comprehend.
Signed. As a retired midwife who practiced for 43 years before retiring 11 years ago ,I am truly appalled by this ,yet another attempt to erase women / mothers ,and at a time when they are performing the most female / womanly function there is !! Female is female regardless of how they " self identify" and no woman should risk the health of
Her baby by taking testosterone during pregnancy. No research has been done to assess the possible effects it might have on a developing foetus !!
There is research (please don’t ask me to cite it, it’s too early) and it indicates that there is a teratogenic implication for testosterone in pregnancy.
That wouldn't be at all surprising. After scandals such as Thalidomide and several others ,including Sodium Valproate , it's really shocking that the medical profession advises women to avoid medication during pregnancy, where possible but at the same time approves ,or at least doesn't object to , the use of wrong sex hormones while pregnant.!!
I'm afraid the protection of mothers and their babies seems to have been tossed out of the window recently as was proven during covid with the fanatical drive to jab everyone and to hell with the consequences if anything goes wrong. If an overwhelming narrative is important to be pushed, then that takes precedence over the health of anyone it seems, even infants.
As I wrote that I felt sick, child protection now seems to no longer be the priority it used to be.
You're lucky if you live somewhere where child protection was ever a priority. Definitely never has been a priority in the U.S.
I'm in the UK, where things have never been perfect. Perhaps I was under an illusion and assumed it was important. However, with the revelations about 'grooming gangs' (meaning Pakistani rape gangs ) being ignored for decades and thousands of young girls abused or even murdered and still to some extent being ignored. Then we had the scant regard for children during lockdowns and the vaccine mess. The facade of care and protection if it was ever there, has gone, even though many still pretend.
Sorry for ignorance - had to look up 'teratogenic' - now I know it means developmental abnormality ..... expect the words 'abnormal' and 'teratogenic' (and probably 'disease' and 'sickness') will be deemed transphobic and replaced with sthing like 'developmentally and/or physiologically untypical' ...
That's exactly the same thinking as to why lots of services are now 'health and wellbeing'. Everything suddenly became 'wellbeing' a while back. Same populations, same thinking and approaches (good and bad). Everything is recast as 'difference'. We now can't support people as they are now 'just' 'differently abled'. This mucking about with language confuses.
How dare you even ask if 'abnormal' is acceptable ;-). We have to be careful now to state 'normal or usual for me' when describing symptoms. Comparisons, causations and correlations aren't allowed, looking across populations is also forbidden, let alone patterns. I prefer looking at root causes and preventative care, but that is utterly lost in this morass of obfuscation.
Interesting angle - sorta like 'equity' .... ?
Yes, equity, which on casual impression looks maybe like it means equality. But doesn't. I don't like to leap on some words and parse them til the cows come home but they've captured vocabulary and therefore our framework to understand everything and each other. All those men who adhere to 'different' ethical standards eh. And we are propping up their fantasies to be provided with services and sanitary products they don't need and we do. Then women giving birth who insist on the fantasy that they are men. The word 'need' is disputed too.
Social justice arsonists have tried to change what they view as 'justice' too and it's not what I understand that word to mean either.
Maternity care is often dangerous and I cannot believe they are marching on with this nonsense instead of addressing that.
My Necessary Nouns are Woman and Mother.
🖤🖤
this insanity has already happened to maternity services and family planning here in new zealand. it is completely bananas and confusing for young women and any one with literacy issues. it is an exclusionary practice that makes essential services more difficult to access for those vulnerable women that need them most.
I think it was from NZ/aotearoa that I saw a screen grab a few months ago from a Lamaze class registration page, on which "Pregnant Person" was one of the choices, "Mother" was not, but "Father" ••WAS•• another choice.
Seeet jesus on a half shall, talk about the quiet part out loud SMH... and while we're here i'll note that not only is the Womanhood and humanity of Mothers being erased, but even the POSSIBILITY that the pregnant Woman might have a lesbian partner has been obliterated altogether.
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Am an actual, real live Pacific islander BTW so there's definitely no virtue signaling in that "aotearoa" up there 😀
thank you for that great example. keeping father as an option but erasing mother says it all really. it is upsetting and enraging. particularly because so many new zealanders are too mind blown by covid lockdowns to want to even notice what else is happening to their human rights.
https://uploads.ovarit.com/cf278cf6-1f34-5d4b-836d-e76d2d4ced34.png ... there's the screen grab
It's originally from a twitter post that has since been deleted.
I forgot about "Other Parent". Guess we can upgrade lesbian Moms from "obliterated" to "no admittance unless spayed".
maybe other includes mother these days. after all it's only an 'm' away. surprising they bother with all the categories really. may as well just be 'those with magical feelings' and 'all the rest' .
This is exactly their argument - but but 'person' includes us all so what's yer problem. We've become a sub category of ourselves or a category of men, or totally removed, that's our problem with this!
we will all be men in the end maybe. i think about the misguided women butchering themselves to pretend to be men. but they don't attempt mens prisons or sports because they know they won't pass. men don't even need to exclude them as they are too timid to try. but the men who pretend to be women just barrel on through women's everything. so ultimately men remain men and men also are women. and women and the silly women pretending to be men are just lost in the ether and become nothing at all.
I don’t want my taxes used for this nonsense- can’t get a doctors appointment, care support/ provision for the elderly is practically non existent - not enough doctors and nurses or ambulances- this is just more waste on stilts. Maternity services are failing. All the non jobs to do with TQIA have no business in the NHS unless they are serious research jobs and then there would be hardly any. The Conservatives are not sorting out this hideous waste of our money. Any MPs reading this newsletter STOP THIS now!
It makes me totally enraged that the idiots who issue nonsense language directives like this are paid about £100,000 per year more than my son who runs a whole linen department in a big hospital managing 8 staff and making sure the hospital has sheets, blankets , gowns etc or it would grind to a halt. If you abolished the insane diversity department nobody would notice.
Probably would notice but in the way one notices the rain has stopped and its now dry! People could speak freely without feeling threatened. All DIE depts should be axed.
Sounds like it has nothing whatever to with the quality of midwifery on offer but is purely an attempt to pervert the way we use our language to enable massaging the vanities of a tiresome little minority interest.
Men cannot pretend they are women. My ex husband, COO of a Tech company still does. He's alienated our sons from his birth mother, me.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6kfoI3yfbMkc
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worked when I clicked .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kfoI3yfbMk
Yes that worked, thanks
Thanks! You can always check out Ute Heggen youtube channel for my new short videos on movement for wellbeing, nature and my trans widow story.
Is it me? I’m struggling to get my head around the fact that women who so desperately think they are men are prepared to remove healthy breasts, take testosterone but then don’t have their female organs removed in order to have a child. Men can’t have babies, or did they not do biology at school. They are self obsessed and entitled, wanting to have their cake and eat it, at the expense of the welfare/health of the unborn child.
What kind of "training" is involved in the "use of “trans inclusive language” and pronouns ".? It's nothing other than pure indoctrination and coercion. Total mind boggling hypocrisy and infantilism to call this "training"!
I wonder who gets the cash to deliver this unnecessary training. Seems like a jobs for the they/thems scheme.
I can see employment tribunals being busy over this example of ‘forced belief’ after the Forstater v CGD case. Doubt that the people making this silly decision have given that any thought at all, so more NHS funds will be flushed down the toilet in trying to defend it.
Signed just now. What troubles me is that, out of all the names already there, I don't know a single one in real life. People I have worked with, people I know to be sensible people, people who should be aware of this. I'm going to spend a few hours today TERFing.
Hello Mr Wickins. I am glad to see some well-known campaigners as signatories. For example Dr Louise Irvine is a GP who is a founder of Clinical Advisory Networth on Sex and Gender (pro-biological reality!) (I know her in real life from NHS campaigning), Dr Lucy Griffin is a Psychiatry Consultant in Bristol and objected strongly when the local hospital Trust tried to implement a "guidance for the care of Trans patients" which took NO account of women patients, Dr David Bell is a psychologist and was a whistleblower at the Tavistock Clinic, Dr Az Hakeem is a gay Psychiatry Consultant who is very active in the new LGB Alliance, Judith Green founder of A Woman's Place UK, and many others. Hurray for their voices!
That's wonderful! I recognise several names from here and elsewhere around the Internet, but friends and colleagues from years in teaching medical law and ethics are notable by their absence. I've contacted a few, and their responses are all along the lines of "I know it's nonsense, but I can't risk job/career by signing". I understand to an extent, but fear for the future if people don't speak up.
Thank you Jeremy. Surely this is one of, if not the most egregious and widespread issues in current medical law and ethics. Consent and autonomy. And the misuse of statistics.
I have to be careful about using my name but I hope things are also happening in professional spaces or less in the public eye. I hope that those people you contacted will now be aware that they can do things in their own lives and wherever they know this is happening - they can have conversations. Then not promote this as anything other than a very abusive movement. They can't say 'oh I didn't realise'. One person I know in this field I got chatting to by chance having seen a flipchart in a room he used and asked what they'd been working on. This must be cross- and multi-disciplinary work.
I have only skirted on the edges of ethics but it seems to be a way to state yes, I ticked the ethics box to say I considered it, then tick, tick, tick, did what we intended anyway. Hard to see weighty issues reduced to how well you can fill a form in. 'Done' the (online) ethics module? Tick. I do some work in safety and some of the considerations are mind blowing, of the 'I'd rather not think about this but someone has to' type. Who takes or has responsibility.
And I hoped to see some public philosophers' names and they are mysteriously missing.
I hope that Sex Matters and WithWoman are planning to follow up recent exposure in "The Times" about the excessive (1) number and (2) salaries of EDI officers in the NHS. Then we need to question these NHS "EDI professionals" in Trusts and all other NHS bodies about the excessive weight given to the "Gender reassignment" protected characteristic over the "competing" PC's of sex, race and religion or belief. The "EDI" guidance which these august employees (heavy irony here) produce are not fit for purpose. Back in December 2020 a group of women campaigners in Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire produced a report for their local CCG challenging an "EDI Impact Assessment for Trans patients" which totally ignored the needs for privacy, dignity and safety of (1) women (2) religious women and (3) some minority (BAME) women. This was presented to the BNSSG CCG Board meeting held on 1st March 2021. Dr Lucy Griffin and a male GP in the area wrote a letter supporting the campaigners' report. Funnily enough I cannot find this report which I bookmarked because they are "reorganising all the records for the new ICS database". This is how important documents get lost time and again and again. Does anyone know the report which I am talking about? It was specific and devastating in the detailed analysis of failures of the so-called "assessment" which was no such thing. It was a whitewash for Trans: "If you are Trans you can do anything!"
Thanks for the heads up Una-Jane and no I didn't - let's hope someone on here does. I've just been reading about recent and proposed ICS and NHS redisorganisations. People are sick at the amount of changes and 'transformations' happening within these systems - it's breaking people. I used to talk to people about STPs (Sustainable Transformation Partnerships) and no one was aware they existed. We've got mushrooming layers and committees.
There are clinicians pleading to make the 'offer' to the public clear and simple to understand so we can look after ourselves as we can, then get the care we need when and where we need it.
EIAs (Equality Impact Assessments) and all their iterations often don't pick up on key issues and obvious conflicts like the one you mentioned.
Signed also. & same!
for sum ppl with AGP, imagining themself as a pregnant woman is a turn on. for others i imagine its a conquest where the joy is crossing boundaries. maybe not all trans ID bio males have AGP. but even if they dont the fact that they imagine themself as a women means they are reconciling with the idea of pregnancy in some way. maybe they think of themself as a women who is childless for one reason or another. maybe they think of themself as a women who always wanted a child. these blokes really do think their porn fueled fantasies are the same as real life relations. some agp, gay or not gay, imagine themselves as married to a man where the result would be a pregnancy. probably most know its all fake. maybe someone should ask them.
http://magicalfeminization.blogspot.com/2022/05/mothers-day-week-month.html?m=1
have you seen "Princess Mom" on this very blog? Asking for a friend
ok thanks. no i hadnt, but i just took a look. i used the search feature and found it. thanks. still - the more examples the more it supports that this part of the fetish is a feature not a bug of the ideology.
The twanzwhites AKA men's privileges movement is "inclusive" of absolutely all male sexual fetishes / deviant interests, as far as I can tell.
That was the very first post of Glinner's that I ever read, so... yikes.