Bloody hell, what a vile, sick, spiteful individual. She's not wired up right. How these twisted trolls give themselves away when they spout such breathtaking obscenities.
I'm afraid Wendy makes me think some very unfeminist thoughts. Interestingly, having never heard of her before (which I preferred), I find I'm blocked.
Excuse me? Whose obsession with reproductive organs? I think they'll find no self respecting women, or men that respect them, using terms such as "cervix-haver".
Yes, since when has saying that you don’t want your daughter to be referred to as a cervix-haver meant that you are “obsessed by reproductive organs”? Is it Opposite Day?
I think you need to go back and resit your bar exam.. The new act replacing the old act, needs to be provable as truth nothing at all to do with honest opinions, it's truth that counts not opinion dear
I don't quite see how saying that Graham's wife left him over his obsession with his daughter's reproductive organs is an opinion. Saying "I wouldn't want to be married to him" is an opinion; stating FACTS about another person is defamation.
Fair enough. The law can be an ass. Doesn't alter the fact that her opinion is perverse, hateful and wrong. Graham's wife didn't leave him because he was obsessed with his daughter's reproductive organs. Wouldn't she have to show evidence of how exactly she formed that unfounded "opinion"?
Typical make reply section 2 part 5, the tort ie defamed does not have to prove they have even had special damages to put forward their case... Your a prize twat... I read legislation for my my tribunal work, 50 cases won out if 51, so unlike you little newsletter writer your even more a random internetter than I am... Your very inflammatory, fueling fires, with your little quips here and there,
Well, thank fuck for that. I'm ignorant on libel law and I know some laws are *unjust* but I'd've thought it only right that WL would have to provide evidence for her until-proved-otherwise unfounded allegations of "obsession" wrt specifically his own daughter's body parts, no?
Yes, her opinion is hateful. Yes, her opinion is wrong.
By Graham's own admission his wife left over his gender critical beliefs. Personally, I don't think that was the be all, end all reason (having been married twice already I can tell you it never is just one thing but a series that ends marriages) but I strongly suspect that was The Last Straw.
What Ms. Lyon is saying in her inartful way is that Graham's ex-wife split over his gender critical views and that's how she can claim hers was an honest opinion.
Out of respect for Graham, can we all stop this vein? I found Wendyhouse Liar's insinuation that he's "obsessed with his daughter's reproductive organs" to be by far the most egregious bit of her tweet.
Made worse by the claim that his wife was aware of this “obsession” and therefore “left him”. She is defaming his ex as well. There are also other ways in which marriages end than in one partner “leaving”. Bringing the child into it is another level irresponsible and disgusting.
The angry hashing over legal opinions here is a bit weird. The only opinion that matters is that which the affected parties take privately. It’s a strange side-show to observe.
This women sounds absolutely vile. What a disgusting thing to say. She has made herself look ridiculous. I am so sorry that you have to put up with shit like this. You are very much appreciated and there is an army of women and men behind you.
We got you Graham. She’s also on the board of the Irish family planning association & we need to let them know. I’m sure they don’t want that kind of bad publicity attached.
People have successfully sued for less (Didn’t Dr Christian Jesson have to pay 150k plus to Arlene Foster?) These arseholes are so desperate they’re flailing around throwing as much crap as they can, thinking they can say whatever madness they feel like. It’s got to stop. If you sue. We’ll support you.
Well, it seems Dr Jessen (predictive text changes his name to Be Seen - how apt) has revised his expectations downwards to £15,000. He's raised £9,980 since May 😅
Oh dear. I guess the general public don’t feel kindly towards a rich man who was too arrogant to think he could be sued and said ‘Lol’ when asked to apologise and retract.
Strange, that. I read judgement - shot through with Jessen's arrogance. Why do some people think they are untouchable? Plus, if the woman who wrote that about Graham is American, she may well not know that the laws of defamation don't work in the UK in the same way as the US. She may be in for a shock.
People are losing all sense of limits and boundaries, and it's not because of covid! All the emphasis on so-called equality has come to mean the masculinization of women, not the rebalancing of positive feminine and masculine traits among all people.
That's definitely actionable, and because it was read by a "significant number" (I think that was defined as a few tens on one case) of people in England and Wales a case in defamation can be brought in the English courts regardless of where the woman lives or what her nationality is, or, indeed, where you live.
I watched the podcast today. Fantastic. Graham you really are a prince among men. And you said this would happen - someone would take a few of your words and twist them beyond all meaning. She’s a dangerous woman and, of course, a liar. Keep up the good fight ✊
Pathetic. There's zero chance that either Ms Lyon (or anyone else) could genuinely misinterpret your comment in that way. She is trying to get a rise out of you Graham and as much as I would love to see her sued, I would just urge caution before you decide on any action. You can imagine what the usual suspects will make of you going after a woman, especially a 'feminist' human rights lawyer...I suspect a potential trap is being laid. Easy for me to say, I know, but save your money and energies for the ones you love❤️
I’m actually lost for words. Talk about twisted. As my da would have said that one couldn’t lie straight in bed. And *of course* she’s turned replies off... 🙄
Bloody hell, what a vile, sick, spiteful individual. She's not wired up right. How these twisted trolls give themselves away when they spout such breathtaking obscenities.
I'm afraid Wendy makes me think some very unfeminist thoughts. Interestingly, having never heard of her before (which I preferred), I find I'm blocked.
I'm not blocked yet and have made it clear what I think of her.
Weird.. never heard of her and am also blocked 🙄
Me as well. Shinigami eyes, I guess.
Agree JL! Off to see if I am blocked...
Excuse me? Whose obsession with reproductive organs? I think they'll find no self respecting women, or men that respect them, using terms such as "cervix-haver".
Yes, since when has saying that you don’t want your daughter to be referred to as a cervix-haver meant that you are “obsessed by reproductive organs”? Is it Opposite Day?
This is her opinion which, at common law, is an affirmative defense.
I think you need to go back and resit your bar exam.. The new act replacing the old act, needs to be provable as truth nothing at all to do with honest opinions, it's truth that counts not opinion dear
I suggest you reread Ireland's Defamation Act of 2009 as there absolutely is a Honest Opinion defense.
I don't quite see how saying that Graham's wife left him over his obsession with his daughter's reproductive organs is an opinion. Saying "I wouldn't want to be married to him" is an opinion; stating FACTS about another person is defamation.
Having spent a lot of time in the trenches with the TRAs one of the accusations they level at us GC folk is that we're "obsessed with genitals".
Because of Graham's GC views she can pretty much say he's of the Genital Gendarmerie is what she's inartfully saying.
Laws can change look at GRA in Scotland...
A lawyer who makes libellous statements, who the hell would employ them?! That's an extremely twisted and nasty thing to say, it's absolutely vile.
And a totally bad faith statement
She has the affirmative defense of Honest Opinion.
Fair enough. The law can be an ass. Doesn't alter the fact that her opinion is perverse, hateful and wrong. Graham's wife didn't leave him because he was obsessed with his daughter's reproductive organs. Wouldn't she have to show evidence of how exactly she formed that unfounded "opinion"?
Don't listen to him, he has it wrong
No, actually, I am quite right.
And here's something else: the Defamation Act of 2009 only specifies journalists and not randos on the internet.
Typical make reply section 2 part 5, the tort ie defamed does not have to prove they have even had special damages to put forward their case... Your a prize twat... I read legislation for my my tribunal work, 50 cases won out if 51, so unlike you little newsletter writer your even more a random internetter than I am... Your very inflammatory, fueling fires, with your little quips here and there,
I'm sorry, was this even English?
No she wouldn't have to show evidence as the onus is not on her to prove innocence.
Omg WTF why are you posting all the misinformation on libel, it is for the publisher to defend not the claimant, who are you....
Well, thank fuck for that. I'm ignorant on libel law and I know some laws are *unjust* but I'd've thought it only right that WL would have to provide evidence for her until-proved-otherwise unfounded allegations of "obsession" wrt specifically his own daughter's body parts, no?
She does
First the plaintiff has to prove the statement was damaging to his reputation.
Yes, her opinion is hateful. Yes, her opinion is wrong.
By Graham's own admission his wife left over his gender critical beliefs. Personally, I don't think that was the be all, end all reason (having been married twice already I can tell you it never is just one thing but a series that ends marriages) but I strongly suspect that was The Last Straw.
What Ms. Lyon is saying in her inartful way is that Graham's ex-wife split over his gender critical views and that's how she can claim hers was an honest opinion.
You know this how, your doing exactly as she did by putting your take on his marriage. You have no idea what happened in his marriage.
Out of respect for Graham, can we all stop this vein? I found Wendyhouse Liar's insinuation that he's "obsessed with his daughter's reproductive organs" to be by far the most egregious bit of her tweet.
Made worse by the claim that his wife was aware of this “obsession” and therefore “left him”. She is defaming his ex as well. There are also other ways in which marriages end than in one partner “leaving”. Bringing the child into it is another level irresponsible and disgusting.
The angry hashing over legal opinions here is a bit weird. The only opinion that matters is that which the affected parties take privately. It’s a strange side-show to observe.
Only what Graham has admitted to in public.
We can all clearly see what Graham said its in this feed.
That's not what you were actually saying though was it!
"inartful"? Well, I doubt either of your marriages ended because of your lack of tact and diplomacy 🤣. Beautifully *artful*, my friend 😁
I'm still married to my second wife. ;-)
Glad to hear it - means you're not obsessed with little girls' body parts!!! 😜
No she doesnt
Yes she does.
This women sounds absolutely vile. What a disgusting thing to say. She has made herself look ridiculous. I am so sorry that you have to put up with shit like this. You are very much appreciated and there is an army of women and men behind you.
We got you Graham. She’s also on the board of the Irish family planning association & we need to let them know. I’m sure they don’t want that kind of bad publicity attached.
She is so sick and twisted. We have your back Glinner.
People have successfully sued for less (Didn’t Dr Christian Jesson have to pay 150k plus to Arlene Foster?) These arseholes are so desperate they’re flailing around throwing as much crap as they can, thinking they can say whatever madness they feel like. It’s got to stop. If you sue. We’ll support you.
Well, it seems Dr Jessen (predictive text changes his name to Be Seen - how apt) has revised his expectations downwards to £15,000. He's raised £9,980 since May 😅
Oh dear. I guess the general public don’t feel kindly towards a rich man who was too arrogant to think he could be sued and said ‘Lol’ when asked to apologise and retract.
Strange, that. I read judgement - shot through with Jessen's arrogance. Why do some people think they are untouchable? Plus, if the woman who wrote that about Graham is American, she may well not know that the laws of defamation don't work in the UK in the same way as the US. She may be in for a shock.
I do hope so.
You've reminded me to check how the good doctor's crowdfunder is progressing. I'll be back.
I am sorry you were attacked in this sleazy way. I am not sure why this topic makes people, even women, go so low.
People are losing all sense of limits and boundaries, and it's not because of covid! All the emphasis on so-called equality has come to mean the masculinization of women, not the rebalancing of positive feminine and masculine traits among all people.
I wish we could go back to being free to be ourselves without medicalization and claiming to be a sex we aren't.
That's definitely actionable, and because it was read by a "significant number" (I think that was defined as a few tens on one case) of people in England and Wales a case in defamation can be brought in the English courts regardless of where the woman lives or what her nationality is, or, indeed, where you live.
What about bringing a case in NI? I've heard it's THE place to sue and would be a nice little go between the two nations.
Wendy Lyin'
Unbelievable. Looks like the rats are feeling cornered.
I watched the podcast today. Fantastic. Graham you really are a prince among men. And you said this would happen - someone would take a few of your words and twist them beyond all meaning. She’s a dangerous woman and, of course, a liar. Keep up the good fight ✊
Pathetic. There's zero chance that either Ms Lyon (or anyone else) could genuinely misinterpret your comment in that way. She is trying to get a rise out of you Graham and as much as I would love to see her sued, I would just urge caution before you decide on any action. You can imagine what the usual suspects will make of you going after a woman, especially a 'feminist' human rights lawyer...I suspect a potential trap is being laid. Easy for me to say, I know, but save your money and energies for the ones you love❤️
Please only do something if it’s what you really want to do Graham. I will definitely contribute to a legal fund if you take action.
Same
Same
I’m actually lost for words. Talk about twisted. As my da would have said that one couldn’t lie straight in bed. And *of course* she’s turned replies off... 🙄
A coward as well as a liar 🤥
Wow, imagine typing out that tweet and still believing you’re on the side of general decency, principled goodness etc.