These women should be given every fucking medal going - such expertise in exposing these nonces to the wider world and letting them know they are being watched.
I agree with you and I wish we had a better way or term to describe this. As soon as some read or hear 'MSM' they switch off and start ranting or pooh poohing about conspiracy theories, social media, misinformation, vaxxers vs anti-vaxxers and crackpots. BBC too Left! BBC too Right! Defund them! And the police! Defund them all! Marxism! Wokery! Boris! Keir! Fight! Moooo booooo. Don't call him a liar despite all knowing he's a liar! Order! Order!
But the BBC - as they did with Savile and their own Newsnight team - are ignoring or shutting down and disciplining their own journalists on this trans issue too. Repeating false claims. The Guardian is captured with a few lone voices bravely speaking up. The formerly 'more' right wing or formerly 'Conservative' press like The Times, Mail or Spectator are platforming views and the chased away female and male outcasts daring to question this ideology. So the Left leaning are now Right leaning and vice versa. And the captured SNP are holding Independence and 'not being Westminster' over this like a fig leaf.
Isn't it bizarre. 'Liberal' and 'progressive' have turned authoritarian, repressive, regressive. Topsy-turvy world.
Former Guardian subscriber here, former reader of The Independent, whose founders espoused independence of proprietors' politics and printing a range of views, so readers weren't unhelpfully siloed, could instead read widely and make up their own minds. (Fancy that.) I trusted and was proud of the BBC, and formerly a regular Channel 4 viewer. No more.
A direct comparison of Ch4 and BBC news came two days ago in news that child sexual abuse grooming gangs are still thriving and have become more widespread. Ch4's long report by Social Affairs editor Jackie Long was a disgrace, her studied omission of any mention of the key issue of gangs' and victims' predominant ethnicities and cultural attitudes toward women left me wondering if the story was that the grooming gang problem had now shifted to be one of predominantly non-Asian men. A harmful, wilful obfuscation by C4s Social Affairs EDITOR, not an underling reporter.
The BBC report I saw later was much stronger, pulling no punches about ethnicity and indeed making it clear that failure even to record – as should have been standard practice – the ethnicities of both perpetrators and victims was a key part of the fresh problem of spread and failure to address.
Long had made me gasp recently when Ch4 aired a live interview with an elderly black American (name/credentials forgotten, sorry) who didn't follow the Channel 4 script, as he was 1) not a fan of critical race theory, responding to their baiting questions more than once with an emphatic 'ALL lives matter!' and 2) turned out to be a conservative of the 'deplorables' persuasion! The male host (Frei?) said, 'I'm afraid we have to end it there as we've run out of time' whereupon Jackie Long muttered a patronising insult like 'Not a moment too soon' or something implying that this black man should not have been allowed to say words not in accordance with Ch4's presumptions about race and politics.
I don't know how to respond to any of this. I keep thinking of those poor girls in the swim team at Penn. I can't process this post at all :( so upsetting
Exactly. It's this 'is this seriously happening' moment I feel stuck in. Hold the line and your own boundaries Penny :-)
I often feel overwhelmed, then angry, then rest, then take courage from other men and women, then get angry all over again. I've been gently trying to get others to hear about things that are evidenced and important for a very long time. But it's exhausting. Courage calls to courage and all! I openly admit this baffles and distresses me much of the time.
Presumably Stella Creasy MP would insist these "women" aren't misgendered, because that's the sort of trick that patriarchy plays on stunning and brave women like "Junie."
What a sick world we now live in . Anna and Genevieve must feel as if they're swimming in a sewer and surrounded by sharks but well done to them for their work in exposing this horror. Hard to believe such evil people exist amongst us .
"Anna and Genevieve are putting their mental health under severe stress every day by exploring this heart of darkness." So true. I think of the author of the Rape of Nanking. Praying for these brave women, may they be surrounded and soothed in a bubble of beneficence, knowing that their Work is for the Good.
Thank you, Anna, from Texas. GL: Black Books and Father Ted got me through some dark times when I was living in London. You’re brilliant. Anyway, you’re doing god’s work here—such thankless work, fuck me. What a hellscape.
Thank you to Anna Slatz and Reduxx - I very much appreciated this the first time I read it and you exposing yourself to the risk of investigating it and bring this to light. Can I ask for a clarification when reposting or crossposting here Graham (thank you for doing so), can we have a sentence with few more brief contextual details at the start of the post to show when/where this happened? For those of us who've read Anna Slatz's work it's easier as we have that background. The following is the denouement in a X month/year long investigation or something? This is from 2021 (the months are mentioned) so from GoFundMe hunch to sex offenders database to yet another name change was just over three months?
This isn't a breaking story (it seems to be rolling), and it's harder to keep track when I am/people are peaking or re-peaking about older events or patterns of this happening over years - it shows it's not such a new phenomena. It adds a huge amount to see the timeframes this happens over. It's also very hard for those new to this to situate and understand this. Is it the same old, same old, or a new variant. It helps to convince politicians when they can see the pattern as it's evidence that's far less easy to dismiss. We need to make the links very clear to them and do that contextual legwork (as done here). They are unlikely to look through the whole archive here or other sites unless they are looking.
It's a common safegaurding theme with multiple changes of name and nicknames/avatars/online 'identities', and I vaguely recalled 'Lyric or June'/Junie/Clover/Casey/Canaan so it took a while to realise this was the same and I can now add Kimiko Kimi Valentine to his list.
The Cybertip report was a key element in this - is there a UK version?
Having worked with men who have been abused as children and in some cases, men who have abused children (hard, stressful work but it has to be done) , we need to keep those who abuse in plain sight, otherwise there is no-one to tell them what they are doing is wrong.
This type of investigative journalism needs to be mainstreamed. It does not encourage vigilantism which is wrong in itself, but it does make ordinary folk think and then question why men who abuse children are rehomed in communities where there are many children when they are released from prison. Not all choose chemical castration to stop their urges. Many only want psychotherapy and counselling.
Communities need to know where they are to keep their children safe. Communities also need to take responsibility for their actions - if they hound the abusers, the abusers are driven underground and their children are at more risk.
It disturbs me that they have a cat in the house. What has that cat seen. And I wonder if flatting together is a pattern with paedophiles. I’ve heard of that before.
I don't believe that Texas is particularly kind to these men. My husband worked with a nurse whose brother was probably involved in killing a 12-year-old girl in Vermont, then he went to Texas where he was arrested for child pornography. Not sure whether he ended up in state or federal prison, but it was a good long sentence and hopefully at the end he will be returned to Vermont.
These women should be given every fucking medal going - such expertise in exposing these nonces to the wider world and letting them know they are being watched.
I'm so grateful to them; especially at a time when mainstream journalism is too scared of "misgendering" these repulsive men to even report them.
MSM is part of the problem as we know
I agree with you and I wish we had a better way or term to describe this. As soon as some read or hear 'MSM' they switch off and start ranting or pooh poohing about conspiracy theories, social media, misinformation, vaxxers vs anti-vaxxers and crackpots. BBC too Left! BBC too Right! Defund them! And the police! Defund them all! Marxism! Wokery! Boris! Keir! Fight! Moooo booooo. Don't call him a liar despite all knowing he's a liar! Order! Order!
But the BBC - as they did with Savile and their own Newsnight team - are ignoring or shutting down and disciplining their own journalists on this trans issue too. Repeating false claims. The Guardian is captured with a few lone voices bravely speaking up. The formerly 'more' right wing or formerly 'Conservative' press like The Times, Mail or Spectator are platforming views and the chased away female and male outcasts daring to question this ideology. So the Left leaning are now Right leaning and vice versa. And the captured SNP are holding Independence and 'not being Westminster' over this like a fig leaf.
Isn't it bizarre. 'Liberal' and 'progressive' have turned authoritarian, repressive, regressive. Topsy-turvy world.
Former Guardian subscriber here, former reader of The Independent, whose founders espoused independence of proprietors' politics and printing a range of views, so readers weren't unhelpfully siloed, could instead read widely and make up their own minds. (Fancy that.) I trusted and was proud of the BBC, and formerly a regular Channel 4 viewer. No more.
A direct comparison of Ch4 and BBC news came two days ago in news that child sexual abuse grooming gangs are still thriving and have become more widespread. Ch4's long report by Social Affairs editor Jackie Long was a disgrace, her studied omission of any mention of the key issue of gangs' and victims' predominant ethnicities and cultural attitudes toward women left me wondering if the story was that the grooming gang problem had now shifted to be one of predominantly non-Asian men. A harmful, wilful obfuscation by C4s Social Affairs EDITOR, not an underling reporter.
The BBC report I saw later was much stronger, pulling no punches about ethnicity and indeed making it clear that failure even to record – as should have been standard practice – the ethnicities of both perpetrators and victims was a key part of the fresh problem of spread and failure to address.
Long had made me gasp recently when Ch4 aired a live interview with an elderly black American (name/credentials forgotten, sorry) who didn't follow the Channel 4 script, as he was 1) not a fan of critical race theory, responding to their baiting questions more than once with an emphatic 'ALL lives matter!' and 2) turned out to be a conservative of the 'deplorables' persuasion! The male host (Frei?) said, 'I'm afraid we have to end it there as we've run out of time' whereupon Jackie Long muttered a patronising insult like 'Not a moment too soon' or something implying that this black man should not have been allowed to say words not in accordance with Ch4's presumptions about race and politics.
yep agree totes - we are in the upside down also in the US and OZ
It is oddly back to front. And I wonder what made you think of a fig leaf? You don't need to answer that 👀
I don't know how to respond to any of this. I keep thinking of those poor girls in the swim team at Penn. I can't process this post at all :( so upsetting
Exactly. It's this 'is this seriously happening' moment I feel stuck in. Hold the line and your own boundaries Penny :-)
I often feel overwhelmed, then angry, then rest, then take courage from other men and women, then get angry all over again. I've been gently trying to get others to hear about things that are evidenced and important for a very long time. But it's exhausting. Courage calls to courage and all! I openly admit this baffles and distresses me much of the time.
Presumably Stella Creasy MP would insist these "women" aren't misgendered, because that's the sort of trick that patriarchy plays on stunning and brave women like "Junie."
What a sick world we now live in . Anna and Genevieve must feel as if they're swimming in a sewer and surrounded by sharks but well done to them for their work in exposing this horror. Hard to believe such evil people exist amongst us .
Anna Slatz provides much-needed moments of levity with her Twitter posts too.
The Ash Sarkar takedown being my favourite.
Oh do tell!
It was to do with Sarkar's infamous "every home has a gender-neutral toilet and nobody has a problem with it" outburst.
Yes, she really did say that.
Ah yes, I'd forgotten. (Sigh.) Glad to know Anna Slatz found words...
I hate these sick animals with a passion. Just find some way to stop them ruining innocent lives.
“child liberationists” 🤮🤮🤮
"Anna and Genevieve are putting their mental health under severe stress every day by exploring this heart of darkness." So true. I think of the author of the Rape of Nanking. Praying for these brave women, may they be surrounded and soothed in a bubble of beneficence, knowing that their Work is for the Good.
"Childlover" -- the ultimate euphemism.
Thank you, Anna, from Texas. GL: Black Books and Father Ted got me through some dark times when I was living in London. You’re brilliant. Anyway, you’re doing god’s work here—such thankless work, fuck me. What a hellscape.
Fantastic work! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you to Anna Slatz and Reduxx - I very much appreciated this the first time I read it and you exposing yourself to the risk of investigating it and bring this to light. Can I ask for a clarification when reposting or crossposting here Graham (thank you for doing so), can we have a sentence with few more brief contextual details at the start of the post to show when/where this happened? For those of us who've read Anna Slatz's work it's easier as we have that background. The following is the denouement in a X month/year long investigation or something? This is from 2021 (the months are mentioned) so from GoFundMe hunch to sex offenders database to yet another name change was just over three months?
This isn't a breaking story (it seems to be rolling), and it's harder to keep track when I am/people are peaking or re-peaking about older events or patterns of this happening over years - it shows it's not such a new phenomena. It adds a huge amount to see the timeframes this happens over. It's also very hard for those new to this to situate and understand this. Is it the same old, same old, or a new variant. It helps to convince politicians when they can see the pattern as it's evidence that's far less easy to dismiss. We need to make the links very clear to them and do that contextual legwork (as done here). They are unlikely to look through the whole archive here or other sites unless they are looking.
It's a common safegaurding theme with multiple changes of name and nicknames/avatars/online 'identities', and I vaguely recalled 'Lyric or June'/Junie/Clover/Casey/Canaan so it took a while to realise this was the same and I can now add Kimiko Kimi Valentine to his list.
The Cybertip report was a key element in this - is there a UK version?
Having worked with men who have been abused as children and in some cases, men who have abused children (hard, stressful work but it has to be done) , we need to keep those who abuse in plain sight, otherwise there is no-one to tell them what they are doing is wrong.
This type of investigative journalism needs to be mainstreamed. It does not encourage vigilantism which is wrong in itself, but it does make ordinary folk think and then question why men who abuse children are rehomed in communities where there are many children when they are released from prison. Not all choose chemical castration to stop their urges. Many only want psychotherapy and counselling.
Communities need to know where they are to keep their children safe. Communities also need to take responsibility for their actions - if they hound the abusers, the abusers are driven underground and their children are at more risk.
It disturbs me that they have a cat in the house. What has that cat seen. And I wonder if flatting together is a pattern with paedophiles. I’ve heard of that before.
I don't believe that Texas is particularly kind to these men. My husband worked with a nurse whose brother was probably involved in killing a 12-year-old girl in Vermont, then he went to Texas where he was arrested for child pornography. Not sure whether he ended up in state or federal prison, but it was a good long sentence and hopefully at the end he will be returned to Vermont.
Now answer the question: What is a man?