"We have to turn every biological reality into an identity in an individual's head, because it makes a sh*t load of money for the incoming age of AI and sex robots. At if that's at women's expense then so be it".
More than that!” We really don’t give a rat’s ass what you think! We are better by far than any of you ! We know best, so just shut up! “ The arrogance is palpable! And the ridiculous double talk is unbelievable! People who want to nurse but are not mothers? Can you even think that way? What an Orwellian thing to say? Help! I want to get off!
So, the La Leche League International does not care about the health and wellbeing of babies, nor women , but cares about the twisted sexual fetishes of a tiny minority. Got it.
So TRAs have established a beachhead at LLL, and the invasion is conplete. The complete disregard shown for the welfare of the babies is pretty remarkable, and not in a good way - babies and breastfeeding are not intended to validate the identities of adults. And for LLL to be pandering to this? It’s disgusting.
What me strikes - well not most, but quite a lot - is how obvious it is in those arguments that the term "trans" is used to include everybody who on a whim decides to identify differently from their biological sex. I find it very hard to imagine that a woman with severe dysphoria (who might kill herself if being called a woman...) would become pregnant, have the child, and then breastfeed. So who is protected from what by not using "mother" and "breastfeeding" exclusively? Nobody from nothing. It just pleases those with the luxury to obsess about identity, the woke volunteers, and TRAs. Women in poor countries (and poor women in rich countries) have bigger problems than the term "breastfeeding".
Exactly! If a woman is so at odds with her biological reality that she wishes to become a man for all intents and purposes, why would she then choose to do the most female/womanly thing in the world and carry and birth a baby?
And the transition has to happen in a very strict order, so that you still have a functioning and healthy body capable of bearing that child, or children, and then the breasts to breastfeed or express with. It requires a level of planning, and or dysphoria, or delusion, money, and the support of those around you to achieve.
I cannot believe the focus of women's and maternal health is now more slanted towards the pronouns some wish us to use.
I would LOVE to see some statistics on how many women they serve around the world who feel disrespected by the word 'mother'. Not only is trans an ideology that promotes double mastectomy as soon as possible, it promotes the destruction of the rest of the reproductive system as well. How many 'trans men' manage to give birth with enough of themselves still intact to breastfeed? How many of them are genuinely distressed at words that remind them they birthed and fed a child? And what on earth is LLLI's evidence that there is anyone at all who would turn away their help because of the word 'mother'? It's a solution with no problem, and it is highly disturbing that they've chosen to do this ahead of any shred of evidence of a need for it.
Well said. The reproductive system has to be destroyed in order to commercialise human sex, reproduction, sexuality, breast feeding - all of it. It's one of the rare parts of life that is still as nature intended and not as big corporations did. But for how much longer? Dr Seuss wrote an allegary about this in the Lorax. Unfortunately, he has now been cancelled by the Woke.
Sometimes I fear we're going to end up with men, women (also men) and then the servile class who must not be named and must be silent, used only for rape and reproduction. Obviously nowhere near on that level, but I'm involved in competitive gaming and the main leagues are all dominated by men (or rather almost exclusively men) for various reasons, but any women's leagues or leaderboards are almost exclusively men too and let me tell you, they certainly act like they grew up male and don't care at all about women. We don't get a look in.
Does anyone still believe that this is a grass roots human rights campaign and not an authoritarian social engineering imposition? Ok not on this forum, but are there seriously people out there who believe this UN imposed nonsense is anything like the Civil Rights movement, women's suffrage or the peasants' revolt? It's actually frightening how relentless and aggressive this all is. How many minions there are in the right place. And how far removed we are from the powers that be at seemingly unaccountable bodies like the UN.
This gender ideology cult is horrific and manipulative. We have to keep fighting back-SEX not gender social construct. Keeping it real, biological reality rules.
La Leche's letter is a disgrace. Talking at length over the complaints of their counsellors to try to justify this. Whatever they say it still boils down to placing the demands of a few people who believe in the ideology above those of the overwhelming majority of their members. At best it panders to women denying their biology but at worst it is yet another case of allowing men in spaces they shouldn't be. I was a breastfeeding mother who helped new Mums at a local NHS breastfeeding support group. I cannot think of anything worse than subjecting those women to the presence of men who wanted to indulge their fetishes in public.
Long time since I read such open, critical theory, offensive nonsense. However, when I was struggling to feed my daughter, La Leche were the most useless inapt organisation in terms of constructive help. Essentially, they seemed to be largely very middle class. I was summoned - days after coming out of hospital with a complicated delivery - to a woman's very large, leafy suburban house. Her nanny was off for the day, she explained, so she could only give me a few minutes. I had crossed town on a bus with my newborn for this. She then told me to relax! I would have laughed had I the strength. She then told me champagne was great for the let-down reflex then summarily dismissed me. I was stunned, angry and somewhat exhausted. Needless to say, I did not succeed in feeding my daughter - certainly a journey on a bus cross town in summer heat did little to help my let-down reflex and damn - we were all out of champagne! (Would I have got anything else done had I afforded this with no nanny to assist?) Thus this debacle, to me anyway, makes sense. Breast feeding and social class have been irrevocably linked for sometime. Later when I worked in the community with young mums (very deprived communities, I should add) not one breast fed and La Leche were nowhere to be seen or heard. I shared a community health flat with some midwives and health workers who laughed when I asked about La Leche's work/input. That told me all I need to know.
Great story. The irrelevance of LLL now starts to make sense. But surely, LLL is more important internationally? Thus the concern expressed by the protest letter, perhaps.
In order to get pregnant and support a pregnancy your Transman will have to stop the cross sex hormones ie. Testosterone. In other words de-transition, becoming a woman again.
Freddie McConnell has got pregnant again and is still bleating on about how transphobic it is to say only women have a cervix. To do that Mcconnell will definitely had to come off the cross sex hormones to do that again. Twice has done the most female and womanly thing possible.
Gender dysphoria my foot!
The only "maleness" Mcconnell has is the same toxicity as the men who demand to be treated as women and demand to "chest feed" that the LLL are pandering to.
I’m glad to see the pushback from LLL leaders. I was a breastfeeding counsellor (not with LLL) for many years, and we had to devise a protocol to support counsellors when they were called by men saying they were women, & men purporting to want to talk about bf on behalf of their partners.....giving counsellors the script to end the call. Lactation fetishists exist and they sometimes try to involve women in talking about it. LLL should be aware of the potential of men exploiting their ‘open mindedness’.
There are a handful of case studies of biological men trying to breastfeed. There are many instances of men invading breastfeeding support groups online.
I was a member of a fb breastfeeding group which discussed the politics of infant feeding. I raised a discussion point on what we do when men want to ask for support to bf, and the effects on mothers at a real life support group if men want to join (bearing in mind the existence of lactation fetish). The pro trans army descended to call me bigoted etc for even raising the question. I was thrown off the group, as were all those who liked my post or posted in support.
This really terrifies me. Are these people, often women, so utterly clueless about male violence against women? Male demands? It grieves me that they are. I know of a man who tried to access the professional space of the woman he was angry and obsessed with after their divorce. He used the fact she worked for a publicly funded organisation, and ran courses open to the public. He was very polite and Mr Normal. He got to a certain point before her colleagues managed to bar him without too much fuss. What if he had chosen to identify as trans and be much more dedicated about getting his rights enforced? Then every law has been rewritten to centre him as most vulnerable?
The fact that you had to devise a protocol, and you were thrown off that group? This makes me weep and that we will all need more than protocols to cope with this tide of madness.
How ridiculous that you were ex-communicated for raising known risks. This is the script of the transcult members and “allies” - every time - call those who raise well founded concerns bigots and expel them.
Yet another cowardly capitulation ! We , as adult human females refuse to surrender the word WOMAN to ANYONE ,no matter how loud they shout ! Only women give birth and only women breastfeed their babies with milk made by their own bodies and that is an immutable ,biological fact ,which everyone knows ,even if they fail to acknowledge it ! The Lancet ,so called medical publication should be thoroughly ashamed of itself when they describe women as " bodies with vaginas " ,a term which applies to all female mammals !! Reducing women 59 less than human beggars belief and should spark off worldwide outrage end condemnation .Shame on them all
Yes, shame on them indeed. Do they refer to 'bodies with penises' or 'people with prostate problems'? I don't see the words men and man being falsely transformed into something controversial, and being sidelined or put in inverted commas any time soon. So much of this bollocks has come about because some men can't tolerate not have everything their way. The misogyny isn't only from extremist TRA's, it comes from all those supposedly liberal men dying to show their credentials as allies by calling women bigots, transohobes and liars. They get a pass to freely and loudly express their hatred of women under the guise of showing support for a marginalised and vulnerable minority. I doubt most of them actually give a shit about transwomen, but who cares? They can say all the things they had to pretend they didn't believe and get liberal brownie points for doing it.
Thank God this insanity didn't exist in the National Childbirth Trust when I was pregnant 27 years ago! I have checked their website. The "About us" opening page does show signs of neutering, but I am delighted to say that the "breastfeeding support" is there, with nothing but breastfeeding! Hurray!
'We hear you, but we will carry on pandering to the wishes of a few deluded individuals.'
"We have to turn every biological reality into an identity in an individual's head, because it makes a sh*t load of money for the incoming age of AI and sex robots. At if that's at women's expense then so be it".
More than that!” We really don’t give a rat’s ass what you think! We are better by far than any of you ! We know best, so just shut up! “ The arrogance is palpable! And the ridiculous double talk is unbelievable! People who want to nurse but are not mothers? Can you even think that way? What an Orwellian thing to say? Help! I want to get off!
So, the La Leche League International does not care about the health and wellbeing of babies, nor women , but cares about the twisted sexual fetishes of a tiny minority. Got it.
Spot on!
I say, dump and rebuild! Organizations captured by this nonsense need to be destroyed and rebuilt as LGB Alliance is doing.
Yes!
So TRAs have established a beachhead at LLL, and the invasion is conplete. The complete disregard shown for the welfare of the babies is pretty remarkable, and not in a good way - babies and breastfeeding are not intended to validate the identities of adults. And for LLL to be pandering to this? It’s disgusting.
Well said!
What me strikes - well not most, but quite a lot - is how obvious it is in those arguments that the term "trans" is used to include everybody who on a whim decides to identify differently from their biological sex. I find it very hard to imagine that a woman with severe dysphoria (who might kill herself if being called a woman...) would become pregnant, have the child, and then breastfeed. So who is protected from what by not using "mother" and "breastfeeding" exclusively? Nobody from nothing. It just pleases those with the luxury to obsess about identity, the woke volunteers, and TRAs. Women in poor countries (and poor women in rich countries) have bigger problems than the term "breastfeeding".
Exactly! If a woman is so at odds with her biological reality that she wishes to become a man for all intents and purposes, why would she then choose to do the most female/womanly thing in the world and carry and birth a baby?
And the transition has to happen in a very strict order, so that you still have a functioning and healthy body capable of bearing that child, or children, and then the breasts to breastfeed or express with. It requires a level of planning, and or dysphoria, or delusion, money, and the support of those around you to achieve.
I cannot believe the focus of women's and maternal health is now more slanted towards the pronouns some wish us to use.
Bingo.
I would LOVE to see some statistics on how many women they serve around the world who feel disrespected by the word 'mother'. Not only is trans an ideology that promotes double mastectomy as soon as possible, it promotes the destruction of the rest of the reproductive system as well. How many 'trans men' manage to give birth with enough of themselves still intact to breastfeed? How many of them are genuinely distressed at words that remind them they birthed and fed a child? And what on earth is LLLI's evidence that there is anyone at all who would turn away their help because of the word 'mother'? It's a solution with no problem, and it is highly disturbing that they've chosen to do this ahead of any shred of evidence of a need for it.
Well said. The reproductive system has to be destroyed in order to commercialise human sex, reproduction, sexuality, breast feeding - all of it. It's one of the rare parts of life that is still as nature intended and not as big corporations did. But for how much longer? Dr Seuss wrote an allegary about this in the Lorax. Unfortunately, he has now been cancelled by the Woke.
Sometimes I fear we're going to end up with men, women (also men) and then the servile class who must not be named and must be silent, used only for rape and reproduction. Obviously nowhere near on that level, but I'm involved in competitive gaming and the main leagues are all dominated by men (or rather almost exclusively men) for various reasons, but any women's leagues or leaderboards are almost exclusively men too and let me tell you, they certainly act like they grew up male and don't care at all about women. We don't get a look in.
The dystopian future of The Handmaid’s Tale inches ever closer.
Does anyone still believe that this is a grass roots human rights campaign and not an authoritarian social engineering imposition? Ok not on this forum, but are there seriously people out there who believe this UN imposed nonsense is anything like the Civil Rights movement, women's suffrage or the peasants' revolt? It's actually frightening how relentless and aggressive this all is. How many minions there are in the right place. And how far removed we are from the powers that be at seemingly unaccountable bodies like the UN.
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This gender ideology cult is horrific and manipulative. We have to keep fighting back-SEX not gender social construct. Keeping it real, biological reality rules.
La Leche's letter is a disgrace. Talking at length over the complaints of their counsellors to try to justify this. Whatever they say it still boils down to placing the demands of a few people who believe in the ideology above those of the overwhelming majority of their members. At best it panders to women denying their biology but at worst it is yet another case of allowing men in spaces they shouldn't be. I was a breastfeeding mother who helped new Mums at a local NHS breastfeeding support group. I cannot think of anything worse than subjecting those women to the presence of men who wanted to indulge their fetishes in public.
Long time since I read such open, critical theory, offensive nonsense. However, when I was struggling to feed my daughter, La Leche were the most useless inapt organisation in terms of constructive help. Essentially, they seemed to be largely very middle class. I was summoned - days after coming out of hospital with a complicated delivery - to a woman's very large, leafy suburban house. Her nanny was off for the day, she explained, so she could only give me a few minutes. I had crossed town on a bus with my newborn for this. She then told me to relax! I would have laughed had I the strength. She then told me champagne was great for the let-down reflex then summarily dismissed me. I was stunned, angry and somewhat exhausted. Needless to say, I did not succeed in feeding my daughter - certainly a journey on a bus cross town in summer heat did little to help my let-down reflex and damn - we were all out of champagne! (Would I have got anything else done had I afforded this with no nanny to assist?) Thus this debacle, to me anyway, makes sense. Breast feeding and social class have been irrevocably linked for sometime. Later when I worked in the community with young mums (very deprived communities, I should add) not one breast fed and La Leche were nowhere to be seen or heard. I shared a community health flat with some midwives and health workers who laughed when I asked about La Leche's work/input. That told me all I need to know.
Perhaps the champagne sippers could hire a male wet nurse to chest feed their little ones 🙄
Another ffs 🤦♀️
Great story. The irrelevance of LLL now starts to make sense. But surely, LLL is more important internationally? Thus the concern expressed by the protest letter, perhaps.
Do I have this wrong?
In order to get pregnant and support a pregnancy your Transman will have to stop the cross sex hormones ie. Testosterone. In other words de-transition, becoming a woman again.
In that case, woman = mother.
Freddie McConnell has got pregnant again and is still bleating on about how transphobic it is to say only women have a cervix. To do that Mcconnell will definitely had to come off the cross sex hormones to do that again. Twice has done the most female and womanly thing possible.
Gender dysphoria my foot!
The only "maleness" Mcconnell has is the same toxicity as the men who demand to be treated as women and demand to "chest feed" that the LLL are pandering to.
And you wonder what the toxic mix of hormones will do to unborn and breastfed child.
I’m glad to see the pushback from LLL leaders. I was a breastfeeding counsellor (not with LLL) for many years, and we had to devise a protocol to support counsellors when they were called by men saying they were women, & men purporting to want to talk about bf on behalf of their partners.....giving counsellors the script to end the call. Lactation fetishists exist and they sometimes try to involve women in talking about it. LLL should be aware of the potential of men exploiting their ‘open mindedness’.
There are a handful of case studies of biological men trying to breastfeed. There are many instances of men invading breastfeeding support groups online.
I was a member of a fb breastfeeding group which discussed the politics of infant feeding. I raised a discussion point on what we do when men want to ask for support to bf, and the effects on mothers at a real life support group if men want to join (bearing in mind the existence of lactation fetish). The pro trans army descended to call me bigoted etc for even raising the question. I was thrown off the group, as were all those who liked my post or posted in support.
This really terrifies me. Are these people, often women, so utterly clueless about male violence against women? Male demands? It grieves me that they are. I know of a man who tried to access the professional space of the woman he was angry and obsessed with after their divorce. He used the fact she worked for a publicly funded organisation, and ran courses open to the public. He was very polite and Mr Normal. He got to a certain point before her colleagues managed to bar him without too much fuss. What if he had chosen to identify as trans and be much more dedicated about getting his rights enforced? Then every law has been rewritten to centre him as most vulnerable?
The fact that you had to devise a protocol, and you were thrown off that group? This makes me weep and that we will all need more than protocols to cope with this tide of madness.
How ridiculous that you were ex-communicated for raising known risks. This is the script of the transcult members and “allies” - every time - call those who raise well founded concerns bigots and expel them.
Yet another cowardly capitulation ! We , as adult human females refuse to surrender the word WOMAN to ANYONE ,no matter how loud they shout ! Only women give birth and only women breastfeed their babies with milk made by their own bodies and that is an immutable ,biological fact ,which everyone knows ,even if they fail to acknowledge it ! The Lancet ,so called medical publication should be thoroughly ashamed of itself when they describe women as " bodies with vaginas " ,a term which applies to all female mammals !! Reducing women 59 less than human beggars belief and should spark off worldwide outrage end condemnation .Shame on them all
I refuse to enable narcissists, including by accommodation to their misogynistic language!
Yes, shame on them indeed. Do they refer to 'bodies with penises' or 'people with prostate problems'? I don't see the words men and man being falsely transformed into something controversial, and being sidelined or put in inverted commas any time soon. So much of this bollocks has come about because some men can't tolerate not have everything their way. The misogyny isn't only from extremist TRA's, it comes from all those supposedly liberal men dying to show their credentials as allies by calling women bigots, transohobes and liars. They get a pass to freely and loudly express their hatred of women under the guise of showing support for a marginalised and vulnerable minority. I doubt most of them actually give a shit about transwomen, but who cares? They can say all the things they had to pretend they didn't believe and get liberal brownie points for doing it.
something
Thank God this insanity didn't exist in the National Childbirth Trust when I was pregnant 27 years ago! I have checked their website. The "About us" opening page does show signs of neutering, but I am delighted to say that the "breastfeeding support" is there, with nothing but breastfeeding! Hurray!
they are right it IS a form of Cultural Imperialism.
It absolutely is. That rubbish about the 'third genders' is a tumblr level argument.
Ffs
The reply is a very long way of saying "Get back in your box. We know better." However, they aren't cultural imperialists, oh no! 🙄