So, the La Leche League International does not care about the health and wellbeing of babies, nor women , but cares about the twisted sexual fetishes of a tiny minority. Got it.
So TRAs have established a beachhead at LLL, and the invasion is conplete. The complete disregard shown for the welfare of the babies is pretty remarkable, and not in a good way - babies and breastfeeding are not intended to validate the identities of adults. And for LLL to be pandering to this? It’s disgusting.
What me strikes - well not most, but quite a lot - is how obvious it is in those arguments that the term "trans" is used to include everybody who on a whim decides to identify differently from their biological sex. I find it very hard to imagine that a woman with severe dysphoria (who might kill herself if being called a woman...) would become pregnant, have the child, and then breastfeed. So who is protected from what by not using "mother" and "breastfeeding" exclusively? Nobody from nothing. It just pleases those with the luxury to obsess about identity, the woke volunteers, and TRAs. Women in poor countries (and poor women in rich countries) have bigger problems than the term "breastfeeding".
I would LOVE to see some statistics on how many women they serve around the world who feel disrespected by the word 'mother'. Not only is trans an ideology that promotes double mastectomy as soon as possible, it promotes the destruction of the rest of the reproductive system as well. How many 'trans men' manage to give birth with enough of themselves still intact to breastfeed? How many of them are genuinely distressed at words that remind them they birthed and fed a child? And what on earth is LLLI's evidence that there is anyone at all who would turn away their help because of the word 'mother'? It's a solution with no problem, and it is highly disturbing that they've chosen to do this ahead of any shred of evidence of a need for it.
Does anyone still believe that this is a grass roots human rights campaign and not an authoritarian social engineering imposition? Ok not on this forum, but are there seriously people out there who believe this UN imposed nonsense is anything like the Civil Rights movement, women's suffrage or the peasants' revolt? It's actually frightening how relentless and aggressive this all is. How many minions there are in the right place. And how far removed we are from the powers that be at seemingly unaccountable bodies like the UN.
This gender ideology cult is horrific and manipulative. We have to keep fighting back-SEX not gender social construct. Keeping it real, biological reality rules.
La Leche's letter is a disgrace. Talking at length over the complaints of their counsellors to try to justify this. Whatever they say it still boils down to placing the demands of a few people who believe in the ideology above those of the overwhelming majority of their members. At best it panders to women denying their biology but at worst it is yet another case of allowing men in spaces they shouldn't be. I was a breastfeeding mother who helped new Mums at a local NHS breastfeeding support group. I cannot think of anything worse than subjecting those women to the presence of men who wanted to indulge their fetishes in public.
Long time since I read such open, critical theory, offensive nonsense. However, when I was struggling to feed my daughter, La Leche were the most useless inapt organisation in terms of constructive help. Essentially, they seemed to be largely very middle class. I was summoned - days after coming out of hospital with a complicated delivery - to a woman's very large, leafy suburban house. Her nanny was off for the day, she explained, so she could only give me a few minutes. I had crossed town on a bus with my newborn for this. She then told me to relax! I would have laughed had I the strength. She then told me champagne was great for the let-down reflex then summarily dismissed me. I was stunned, angry and somewhat exhausted. Needless to say, I did not succeed in feeding my daughter - certainly a journey on a bus cross town in summer heat did little to help my let-down reflex and damn - we were all out of champagne! (Would I have got anything else done had I afforded this with no nanny to assist?) Thus this debacle, to me anyway, makes sense. Breast feeding and social class have been irrevocably linked for sometime. Later when I worked in the community with young mums (very deprived communities, I should add) not one breast fed and La Leche were nowhere to be seen or heard. I shared a community health flat with some midwives and health workers who laughed when I asked about La Leche's work/input. That told me all I need to know.
In order to get pregnant and support a pregnancy your Transman will have to stop the cross sex hormones ie. Testosterone. In other words de-transition, becoming a woman again.
I’m glad to see the pushback from LLL leaders. I was a breastfeeding counsellor (not with LLL) for many years, and we had to devise a protocol to support counsellors when they were called by men saying they were women, & men purporting to want to talk about bf on behalf of their partners.....giving counsellors the script to end the call. Lactation fetishists exist and they sometimes try to involve women in talking about it. LLL should be aware of the potential of men exploiting their ‘open mindedness’.
There are a handful of case studies of biological men trying to breastfeed. There are many instances of men invading breastfeeding support groups online.
I was a member of a fb breastfeeding group which discussed the politics of infant feeding. I raised a discussion point on what we do when men want to ask for support to bf, and the effects on mothers at a real life support group if men want to join (bearing in mind the existence of lactation fetish). The pro trans army descended to call me bigoted etc for even raising the question. I was thrown off the group, as were all those who liked my post or posted in support.
Yet another cowardly capitulation ! We , as adult human females refuse to surrender the word WOMAN to ANYONE ,no matter how loud they shout ! Only women give birth and only women breastfeed their babies with milk made by their own bodies and that is an immutable ,biological fact ,which everyone knows ,even if they fail to acknowledge it ! The Lancet ,so called medical publication should be thoroughly ashamed of itself when they describe women as " bodies with vaginas " ,a term which applies to all female mammals !! Reducing women 59 less than human beggars belief and should spark off worldwide outrage end condemnation .Shame on them all
Thank God this insanity didn't exist in the National Childbirth Trust when I was pregnant 27 years ago! I have checked their website. The "About us" opening page does show signs of neutering, but I am delighted to say that the "breastfeeding support" is there, with nothing but breastfeeding! Hurray!
'We hear you, but we will carry on pandering to the wishes of a few deluded individuals.'
So, the La Leche League International does not care about the health and wellbeing of babies, nor women , but cares about the twisted sexual fetishes of a tiny minority. Got it.
So TRAs have established a beachhead at LLL, and the invasion is conplete. The complete disregard shown for the welfare of the babies is pretty remarkable, and not in a good way - babies and breastfeeding are not intended to validate the identities of adults. And for LLL to be pandering to this? It’s disgusting.
What me strikes - well not most, but quite a lot - is how obvious it is in those arguments that the term "trans" is used to include everybody who on a whim decides to identify differently from their biological sex. I find it very hard to imagine that a woman with severe dysphoria (who might kill herself if being called a woman...) would become pregnant, have the child, and then breastfeed. So who is protected from what by not using "mother" and "breastfeeding" exclusively? Nobody from nothing. It just pleases those with the luxury to obsess about identity, the woke volunteers, and TRAs. Women in poor countries (and poor women in rich countries) have bigger problems than the term "breastfeeding".
I would LOVE to see some statistics on how many women they serve around the world who feel disrespected by the word 'mother'. Not only is trans an ideology that promotes double mastectomy as soon as possible, it promotes the destruction of the rest of the reproductive system as well. How many 'trans men' manage to give birth with enough of themselves still intact to breastfeed? How many of them are genuinely distressed at words that remind them they birthed and fed a child? And what on earth is LLLI's evidence that there is anyone at all who would turn away their help because of the word 'mother'? It's a solution with no problem, and it is highly disturbing that they've chosen to do this ahead of any shred of evidence of a need for it.
Does anyone still believe that this is a grass roots human rights campaign and not an authoritarian social engineering imposition? Ok not on this forum, but are there seriously people out there who believe this UN imposed nonsense is anything like the Civil Rights movement, women's suffrage or the peasants' revolt? It's actually frightening how relentless and aggressive this all is. How many minions there are in the right place. And how far removed we are from the powers that be at seemingly unaccountable bodies like the UN.
This gender ideology cult is horrific and manipulative. We have to keep fighting back-SEX not gender social construct. Keeping it real, biological reality rules.
La Leche's letter is a disgrace. Talking at length over the complaints of their counsellors to try to justify this. Whatever they say it still boils down to placing the demands of a few people who believe in the ideology above those of the overwhelming majority of their members. At best it panders to women denying their biology but at worst it is yet another case of allowing men in spaces they shouldn't be. I was a breastfeeding mother who helped new Mums at a local NHS breastfeeding support group. I cannot think of anything worse than subjecting those women to the presence of men who wanted to indulge their fetishes in public.
Long time since I read such open, critical theory, offensive nonsense. However, when I was struggling to feed my daughter, La Leche were the most useless inapt organisation in terms of constructive help. Essentially, they seemed to be largely very middle class. I was summoned - days after coming out of hospital with a complicated delivery - to a woman's very large, leafy suburban house. Her nanny was off for the day, she explained, so she could only give me a few minutes. I had crossed town on a bus with my newborn for this. She then told me to relax! I would have laughed had I the strength. She then told me champagne was great for the let-down reflex then summarily dismissed me. I was stunned, angry and somewhat exhausted. Needless to say, I did not succeed in feeding my daughter - certainly a journey on a bus cross town in summer heat did little to help my let-down reflex and damn - we were all out of champagne! (Would I have got anything else done had I afforded this with no nanny to assist?) Thus this debacle, to me anyway, makes sense. Breast feeding and social class have been irrevocably linked for sometime. Later when I worked in the community with young mums (very deprived communities, I should add) not one breast fed and La Leche were nowhere to be seen or heard. I shared a community health flat with some midwives and health workers who laughed when I asked about La Leche's work/input. That told me all I need to know.
Do I have this wrong?
In order to get pregnant and support a pregnancy your Transman will have to stop the cross sex hormones ie. Testosterone. In other words de-transition, becoming a woman again.
In that case, woman = mother.
I’m glad to see the pushback from LLL leaders. I was a breastfeeding counsellor (not with LLL) for many years, and we had to devise a protocol to support counsellors when they were called by men saying they were women, & men purporting to want to talk about bf on behalf of their partners.....giving counsellors the script to end the call. Lactation fetishists exist and they sometimes try to involve women in talking about it. LLL should be aware of the potential of men exploiting their ‘open mindedness’.
There are a handful of case studies of biological men trying to breastfeed. There are many instances of men invading breastfeeding support groups online.
I was a member of a fb breastfeeding group which discussed the politics of infant feeding. I raised a discussion point on what we do when men want to ask for support to bf, and the effects on mothers at a real life support group if men want to join (bearing in mind the existence of lactation fetish). The pro trans army descended to call me bigoted etc for even raising the question. I was thrown off the group, as were all those who liked my post or posted in support.
Yet another cowardly capitulation ! We , as adult human females refuse to surrender the word WOMAN to ANYONE ,no matter how loud they shout ! Only women give birth and only women breastfeed their babies with milk made by their own bodies and that is an immutable ,biological fact ,which everyone knows ,even if they fail to acknowledge it ! The Lancet ,so called medical publication should be thoroughly ashamed of itself when they describe women as " bodies with vaginas " ,a term which applies to all female mammals !! Reducing women 59 less than human beggars belief and should spark off worldwide outrage end condemnation .Shame on them all
Thank God this insanity didn't exist in the National Childbirth Trust when I was pregnant 27 years ago! I have checked their website. The "About us" opening page does show signs of neutering, but I am delighted to say that the "breastfeeding support" is there, with nothing but breastfeeding! Hurray!
they are right it IS a form of Cultural Imperialism.
Ffs
The reply is a very long way of saying "Get back in your box. We know better." However, they aren't cultural imperialists, oh no! 🙄