To admit that one has been wrong in promoting gender ideology would be to admit that one is responsible- at least in part- for the medical abuse of children and young people; and for women being forced to share prisons with male rapists. And perhaps more terrifying than that, that one may be responsible for encouraging one's own young relatives to make irreversible, damaging and pointless surgical and chemical interventions that will dog them for life.
They'll never admit they're wrong. To admit they're wrong would be to admit that they themselves are abusers and enablers of abuse. By dragging people like Glinner through hell, they sacrifice such "heretics" in large part to save themselves from catastrophic self-knowledge.
There are also women in hospital who are doubly abused when they're raped by a so-called woman when they're most vulnerable and then nurses say it didn't happen because only women were present. Heaven forbid that anyone gets "deadnamed" when they've committed a despicable crime.
Also have you noticed there has been a rise in 'women' committing very unusual crimes (for them) recently!? Besides rape, there's been, having sex with a bin I think it was. Bizarre!
Thank you, Al Green, for setting out clearly why appeasement is untenable and dishonourable. There is no compromise possible with "gender ideology": it is just plain wrong for the confused sufferer, for their bewildered and anxious family and for the rest of society which is hung out to dry. Authors such as John Boyne have a moral duty to look much deeper and to rebel against such a mad "orthodoxy".
I am coming to a crunch point in my attempts to persuade my stepson to see how dishonest was his father Paul, the same man as my trans ex-husband and father of my two children. My stepson says to me on the one hand: "I accept that you were badly treated by "Elizabeth" [the "trans" name which Paul adopted] " and on the other hand he refuses to talk about practical matters and the future now that Paul has died. But only one month has passed since Paul's death, and I am hoping that my children can re-build a bridge. Fingers crossed! I will keep watching to see whether any legal action might be needed in the next six months. The consequences of one tiny, illogical false belief "set in stone" in one man's head!
Nah…these never apologise. They never admit they were wrong either. I’ll just say it again Graham…THANK YOU for speaking up for WOMEN. You are a diamond.
Yes, thank you. I for one am grateful that Graham has focused on this single issue to the exclusion of others, devoting all his energy, resources and skill to it and bringing it to my attention and that of hundreds - maybe thousands - of others and helping to sustain a growing fightback. Thank you, Graham.
I read the bulk of this as "look how smooth and peaceful and productive your life could be if you never stand up for anyone or anything." And that is true. But purchased at what cost? Thank you, Glinner, for keeping your soul instead of gaining the world.
It's so easy to choose to sit back and not get involved when nothing of yours is directly threatened, like your rights and the very word used to describe what you are and which needs to be used to safeguard those rights. What I read there was a long butt-covering excuse as to why he wasn't really going to stick his head above the parapet. Looks a lot like self-soothing and aelf-justifying why his course of action is ok.
I just love that he wrote a whole book about it and didn't realise the nature of it. Just playing a violin and trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of teenagers
It seems to be the popular position for many - turn a blind eye to the bits you don't like, claim there's bad things on both sides, virtue signal and carry on feeling smug and superior. It very much reminds me of the quote by Roosevelt on the Man in the Arena. People like him will never be brave enough to stand in the arena.
Not so much a blind eye as his own Anderson shelter. He's had a whole bunch of mad activists after him for the last few years. And after checking, he already quite twitter once over it in 2019 and then came back!
Patronise...simper...I am a coward… virtue signaller... I am scared...gulp!…I don't want to be cancelled...leaves the public square and hides under desk with pen and paper!
Sadly, John skipped the opportunity to cite just one of "all the good stories about trans people" that he thinks exist. Oh, well, I guess we'll just have to keep waiting to read one.
I am not Jewish myself but I had such a reaction to what I was reading that I went online to search if others had had similar reactions. Only the Jewish websites carried negative reviews. The kids here have very little knowledge of the background and nowadays I take it upon myself to warn them of the book's insidious shortcomings because it seems the literature teachers are simply sheep grazing on the same field. My generation was reading Anne Frank and we got a better insight I think.
I encountered that book when my students had to do it for literature (teach secondary school chemistry in Singapore) and had an instinctive reaction to that book. It was so vapid and superficial. So, that is the John Boyne GL is referring to? No loss then.
Techno-narcissism is the new tyranny. Face to face conversations tend to end on much better terms. Also, anything online is forever so these people don't, by virtue of this medium, put truth out there if it goes against their 'careerist' drivers. It's a sickness of technology.
It's just too much 'public square' behaviour. 'To be seen to be... xyz'. Rather than being honest with ones-self and others despite what it looks like. Graham is an example of being honest. And that's why I pay for this information. It's solid.
I find it interesting that Boyne feels the need to write (what he thinks is) a conciliatory comment, with an excuse (albeit one which doesn't work as an excuse). Two or three years ago, I'm guessing he wouldn't have felt the need to do that.
Could it be that the relentless horror stories - and cases like Allison Bailey - are becoming impossible to ignore? When the Church of Inclusivity & Tolerance is seen to be trying to ruin the career of a black lesbian, maybe the witch-hunt approach doesn't play so well for everyone?
Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part - I believe the end of gender ideology is unfortunately a long way off and I don't believe we'll see widespread apologies or admissions, but I do find it interesting that someone so focused on jumping on the bandwagon, now feels the need to at least reposition.
Boyne has changed his mind on this issue, he’s basically on our side now. I wouldn’t bother arguing with the careerists if I were Graham, nothing good can come of it. They’ll never accept that they actually agree with him.
I think so too. But it eats him up that he's not a brave man. And it eats Graham up, and here we are. I don't blame Graham. I feel the same way about some of my friends - think less of them
...And my ex-colleagues. Especially the one, with whom I'd worked for years and really respected. She asked me not to talk to her; not to send her an article. She said 'I am going to follow the school's policy' [re: a 6 year old]. Cowardice.
Author - Irish - Most famous book is The boy In The Striped Pyjamas. Got into hot water with transactivists after writing a saccharine book written from the POV of the sibling of a 'trans child'. They didn't like the fact that a) a non-trans person wrote a book about trans and b) the title 'misgendered' the protagonist's sibling. He has flip-flopped around since then.
I do wonder what would have happened if JKR had written a scenario similar to that in The Echo Chamber where a hapless man gets confused because the receptionist has gone from MtF. I loved the book (apart from the ending which felt rushed and ridiculous) but that scene and many more would have got a woman author into hot water. I wonder if John recognises his male privilege here and how much women like me appreciate men like you who speak out on this issue.
Once again, I can't thank you enough Graham for what you are doing. This smug arsehole says he distanced himself from it all so he could continue writing and promoting his novels successfully. He knows exactly what he has done and continues to do. Everyone saying nothing is contributing to this erasure of women and the resultant mass abuse of women and children. Hell Mend the Bloody Lot of Them.
No, I remember he was really quite rude about you at the time and still licked TRA arse even though they trashed his work. The non-apology apology doesn't wash.
Well done to you ,Graham ,for standing by your principles and doing what is right instead of taking the easy route and supporting what you know is wrong,like so many others including John Boyne ( never heard of him anyway ) 👍👏💘
It's not good to have arch-enemies, it affects you more than it does them. Yes, there are people you can't stand, don't want to have tea with, who leave a bad taste in your mouth when you think of them. But, please, no enemies.
I learned when I was in my twenties that people will not stand by you, even when you're standing up for THEM!
To admit that one has been wrong in promoting gender ideology would be to admit that one is responsible- at least in part- for the medical abuse of children and young people; and for women being forced to share prisons with male rapists. And perhaps more terrifying than that, that one may be responsible for encouraging one's own young relatives to make irreversible, damaging and pointless surgical and chemical interventions that will dog them for life.
They'll never admit they're wrong. To admit they're wrong would be to admit that they themselves are abusers and enablers of abuse. By dragging people like Glinner through hell, they sacrifice such "heretics" in large part to save themselves from catastrophic self-knowledge.
Absolutely.
Yes spot on
There are also women in hospital who are doubly abused when they're raped by a so-called woman when they're most vulnerable and then nurses say it didn't happen because only women were present. Heaven forbid that anyone gets "deadnamed" when they've committed a despicable crime.
Also have you noticed there has been a rise in 'women' committing very unusual crimes (for them) recently!? Besides rape, there's been, having sex with a bin I think it was. Bizarre!
Thank you, Al Green, for setting out clearly why appeasement is untenable and dishonourable. There is no compromise possible with "gender ideology": it is just plain wrong for the confused sufferer, for their bewildered and anxious family and for the rest of society which is hung out to dry. Authors such as John Boyne have a moral duty to look much deeper and to rebel against such a mad "orthodoxy".
I am coming to a crunch point in my attempts to persuade my stepson to see how dishonest was his father Paul, the same man as my trans ex-husband and father of my two children. My stepson says to me on the one hand: "I accept that you were badly treated by "Elizabeth" [the "trans" name which Paul adopted] " and on the other hand he refuses to talk about practical matters and the future now that Paul has died. But only one month has passed since Paul's death, and I am hoping that my children can re-build a bridge. Fingers crossed! I will keep watching to see whether any legal action might be needed in the next six months. The consequences of one tiny, illogical false belief "set in stone" in one man's head!
Nah…these never apologise. They never admit they were wrong either. I’ll just say it again Graham…THANK YOU for speaking up for WOMEN. You are a diamond.
Yes, thank you. I for one am grateful that Graham has focused on this single issue to the exclusion of others, devoting all his energy, resources and skill to it and bringing it to my attention and that of hundreds - maybe thousands - of others and helping to sustain a growing fightback. Thank you, Graham.
Well said Ursula, but I wish he still had his writing contracts too! We need good comedy more than ever! 😂
Yes, that is true :)
I read the bulk of this as "look how smooth and peaceful and productive your life could be if you never stand up for anyone or anything." And that is true. But purchased at what cost? Thank you, Glinner, for keeping your soul instead of gaining the world.
Exactly
It's so easy to choose to sit back and not get involved when nothing of yours is directly threatened, like your rights and the very word used to describe what you are and which needs to be used to safeguard those rights. What I read there was a long butt-covering excuse as to why he wasn't really going to stick his head above the parapet. Looks a lot like self-soothing and aelf-justifying why his course of action is ok.
I just love that he wrote a whole book about it and didn't realise the nature of it. Just playing a violin and trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of teenagers
It seems to be the popular position for many - turn a blind eye to the bits you don't like, claim there's bad things on both sides, virtue signal and carry on feeling smug and superior. It very much reminds me of the quote by Roosevelt on the Man in the Arena. People like him will never be brave enough to stand in the arena.
Not so much a blind eye as his own Anderson shelter. He's had a whole bunch of mad activists after him for the last few years. And after checking, he already quite twitter once over it in 2019 and then came back!
Ah, so big dramatic empty gestures too?
Yes.
How does one write a book not knowing what it's about?
Oh...that explains most of the NYT's best seller list.
I wasn’t being faux-naive when I said I’ve never heard of him. Can someone signpost me to the Ladybird Book of John Boyne, please?
I think I replied to you
Thank you, it’s all coming back to me now.
Patronise...simper...I am a coward… virtue signaller... I am scared...gulp!…I don't want to be cancelled...leaves the public square and hides under desk with pen and paper!
Sadly, John skipped the opportunity to cite just one of "all the good stories about trans people" that he thinks exist. Oh, well, I guess we'll just have to keep waiting to read one.
What a silly thing for him to say, wasn't it? Trans identifying people are just people.
While I think any writer should be able to write about any subject, I don’t think The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas has been helpful in terms of Holocaust education. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/27/the-boy-in-the-striped-pyjamas-fuels-dangerous-holocaust-fallacies
And I don’t think Boyne understood the responsibility that came with writing about that topic.
Yes, it’s a pattern.
We had a survivor come to speak at the Primary School where I worked. She hated the book
I am not Jewish myself but I had such a reaction to what I was reading that I went online to search if others had had similar reactions. Only the Jewish websites carried negative reviews. The kids here have very little knowledge of the background and nowadays I take it upon myself to warn them of the book's insidious shortcomings because it seems the literature teachers are simply sheep grazing on the same field. My generation was reading Anne Frank and we got a better insight I think.
I encountered that book when my students had to do it for literature (teach secondary school chemistry in Singapore) and had an instinctive reaction to that book. It was so vapid and superficial. So, that is the John Boyne GL is referring to? No loss then.
Yes, that’s him.
What a rancid man
Techno-narcissism is the new tyranny. Face to face conversations tend to end on much better terms. Also, anything online is forever so these people don't, by virtue of this medium, put truth out there if it goes against their 'careerist' drivers. It's a sickness of technology.
I agree. I wonder if this could be thrashed out face to face.
It's just too much 'public square' behaviour. 'To be seen to be... xyz'. Rather than being honest with ones-self and others despite what it looks like. Graham is an example of being honest. And that's why I pay for this information. It's solid.
I so agree.
I find it interesting that Boyne feels the need to write (what he thinks is) a conciliatory comment, with an excuse (albeit one which doesn't work as an excuse). Two or three years ago, I'm guessing he wouldn't have felt the need to do that.
Could it be that the relentless horror stories - and cases like Allison Bailey - are becoming impossible to ignore? When the Church of Inclusivity & Tolerance is seen to be trying to ruin the career of a black lesbian, maybe the witch-hunt approach doesn't play so well for everyone?
Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part - I believe the end of gender ideology is unfortunately a long way off and I don't believe we'll see widespread apologies or admissions, but I do find it interesting that someone so focused on jumping on the bandwagon, now feels the need to at least reposition.
Yes, I think he has changed his view. He got some of the backlash that women had been getting. But he's not really brave.
Boyne has changed his mind on this issue, he’s basically on our side now. I wouldn’t bother arguing with the careerists if I were Graham, nothing good can come of it. They’ll never accept that they actually agree with him.
I think so too. But it eats him up that he's not a brave man. And it eats Graham up, and here we are. I don't blame Graham. I feel the same way about some of my friends - think less of them
...And my ex-colleagues. Especially the one, with whom I'd worked for years and really respected. She asked me not to talk to her; not to send her an article. She said 'I am going to follow the school's policy' [re: a 6 year old]. Cowardice.
I’ve never heard of him - who is he?
Author - Irish - Most famous book is The boy In The Striped Pyjamas. Got into hot water with transactivists after writing a saccharine book written from the POV of the sibling of a 'trans child'. They didn't like the fact that a) a non-trans person wrote a book about trans and b) the title 'misgendered' the protagonist's sibling. He has flip-flopped around since then.
Oh THAT John Byrne! Got it.
I do wonder what would have happened if JKR had written a scenario similar to that in The Echo Chamber where a hapless man gets confused because the receptionist has gone from MtF. I loved the book (apart from the ending which felt rushed and ridiculous) but that scene and many more would have got a woman author into hot water. I wonder if John recognises his male privilege here and how much women like me appreciate men like you who speak out on this issue.
Once again, I can't thank you enough Graham for what you are doing. This smug arsehole says he distanced himself from it all so he could continue writing and promoting his novels successfully. He knows exactly what he has done and continues to do. Everyone saying nothing is contributing to this erasure of women and the resultant mass abuse of women and children. Hell Mend the Bloody Lot of Them.
Yes, he should be ashamed but is quite brazen about his utter selfishness!
No, I remember he was really quite rude about you at the time and still licked TRA arse even though they trashed his work. The non-apology apology doesn't wash.
Well done to you ,Graham ,for standing by your principles and doing what is right instead of taking the easy route and supporting what you know is wrong,like so many others including John Boyne ( never heard of him anyway ) 👍👏💘
It's not good to have arch-enemies, it affects you more than it does them. Yes, there are people you can't stand, don't want to have tea with, who leave a bad taste in your mouth when you think of them. But, please, no enemies.
I learned when I was in my twenties that people will not stand by you, even when you're standing up for THEM!