Pointing that out tends to provoke a very defensive response because mental health carries stigma that it shouldn't. Health services by definition deal with conditions of the mind and body. Those are the two options and Gender Dsyphoria is a psychiatric diagnosis.
Those that instead babble on about gendered souls, should probably go see a priest!
And for good measure look at the section on "peerages". Any "transman" seeking to inherit a peerage will be disappointed because, mysteriously, the aristocracy "cannot change sex"... or whatever this Act was supposed to achieve: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/16
Cuz it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye, I mean, a hereditary title! This ain't just some penny ante stuff like, you know, women's and LGB rights; we're talking SERIOUS business, here. Priorities!
I've also read an account from a young woman who narrowly avoided going the "trans" route: she said that what made her so susceptible was her OCD. So there's another mental illness which is probably associated with it.
I read this and ,being a bit personal now,thought of all the times I'd read of women and girls being raped,hit,groped,mutilated and murdered.I thought of all the times my friends and myself had been flashed at,groped, dismissed,sneered at and ignored because we were girls and women.I thought the article was putrid and despicable but I also thought,it was a bit bleaty,a bit silly and a bit embarrasing.These people really loathe women.
God almighty. What about our mental health? The people trying to hold the line. The people who see the devastation. The people who want to save the children. The people who want to save disturbed people from themselves. The people on the side of Justice. And trying to do this in the face of cowardly unhinged support for a bonkers ideology. What about our mental health, huh?
We don't matter - only "the feels" of AGP men and misogynists count. For years actual violence against women is often not acknowledged let alone bought to justice, and womens physical health takes second place so the last thing the patriarchy is going to do is worry about women's mental health.
Obviously we don't matter and the women who support this are traitors to us all. I feel so sorry for young girls who are indoctrinated into this encouraged to mutilate their bodies and applauded for doing so
Does anyone else feel they’re encouraged to follow the yellow brick road, but, once there, they’re forgotten and the next one needs to get on the conveyor belt ?
If someone thinks they're Jesus, they get professional psychiatric treatment to gently and carefully help then to realise that they're not Jesus. They don't get told that they are Jesus and congratulated on finding that out. That would be cruel and stack even bigger mental problems on top of the one they already have.
Yet if someone thinks they're a woman despite having a penis, or thinks they're a man despite having a vagina, the current approach is to agree with them and wave a stupid little flag in celebration. So how are they supposed to come to terms with their mental illness, if they can't even be told that it's an illness?
The big PubCos and breweries got pissed off at that wine to water stuff. And big Pharma really didn't appreciate the "healing the sick" moves. Just stop that, it's ruining our profits
If you want to read about Big Pharma try out The Real Anthony Fauci, a catalogue of his crimes which makes Mengele look like small potatoes. Big Pharma will literally do ANYTHING to make money, including killing millions of people.
Plus I should have added how Big Tech and MSM collude with Big Pharma to lie and cheat. I don't want to live too much longer in this horrid human world, but I would like to see the lawsuits that will come as the covid debacle gets exposed. A lawyer in New York/Ohio as of November 2021 had been in 30 courtrooms getting injunctions against hospitals which refused to treat patients with lifesaving meds.
Exactly. Years ago , I worked with a poor soul who thought she was Elizabeth Taylor and dressed in her best frocks and costume jewellery. How is that different to this ?
I can understand the temptation to create a theory of some kind that makes your belief a reality. Rather than believing or knowing that your delusions are not real and in fact you have a mental health issue, or disorder. The gender identity idea is much more romantic than having a disorder.
“Now every trans woman in the country is gearing up to fight to have a wee.” Always with the “wee” trope. An obsession with needing to, and the exact location of where to — wee. As if that’s the full extent of the issue. How about brandished buckets of teenage breasts, huh? Is that not also an issue?
Further, if that's REALLY all that it's about, then why are they so intent on WHERE they do it? Why will ONLY the women's restroom do? Don't men's restrooms actually have fixtures NAMED "urinals"? What, do those have a built-in gender-identity-detector that causes them, when approached by a bloke with ladyfeelz, to radiate a wee-repelling force field, or something? Not to mention using a restroom with "TRANS" on the door. Just get to work raising money to build those, transologists, and boom! done. Then "wee" till you die of dehydration for all I care.
It's not a medical issue but we need urgent healthcare. It's also not a mental disorder but our mental health is at breaking point. We are all desperate to see these people supported but surely they are tying our hands!
The Guardian article talks about " the fact this is happening against a backdrop of hate crime and transphobia on the rise”.
In Scotland in the latest quarterly police report we are told there were 118 hate crimes reported in the previous 12 months where transgender has been a factor.
In the same period there were 1,811 rapes reported.
Stephen Whittle (women who identifies and a man) has encouraged, explicitly people to report 'hate crimes' (the bar is low) to bump up the figures. Don't they know that if the Guardian and the BBC could find examples of this epidemic of hate crimes to report upon, they'd do it? Where are they?
One of the many galling things is that recent stats on hate crimes against LGBTQ+ were reported as if they were totally about transphobia. If you look at the stats they were almost all homophobic and lesbophobic attacks. Another advantage of forced teaming.
(And by far the biggest category of hate crimes are racist ones).
The Guardian is a disgrace. Protecting women’s rights in the face of a nebulous ideology is the pivotal issue of our time. I’m pro-women, not anti-trans, but I’ll see trans people cancelled before they cancel us.
Predictable histrionic shite from Zoe Williams. What an arsehead, filled with concern about Starmer and the Labour party failing to be good enough allies to bullying, misogynistic activists. I don't know what kind of alligience Labour is showing to women and girls, LGB and transgender people, all of whom suffer from the stance and behaviour of activists and their enablers and apologists. Is Williams oblivious to the damage and abuse, or does she simply not care, for fear of losing credibility as a mindless, compliant ally?
Indeed. To quote Upton Sinclair, “it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
Although that problem is rather pervasive, pernicious, and problematic. And no more evident than in Academia, at least according to a Substack essay by Michael Robillard where I ran across that quote:
All the institutions have let these children and young people down. Fast tracking them on a conveyor belt to being lifelong medical patients without asking them a single question, Affirming the young people that they are literally living in someone else's body, for them to later realise they've been sold a lie, that you can never actually change sex. YouTube influencers promising the world to impressionable young minds who feel like they don't fit in. This is different than gay rights, Having gender dysphoria does not make you a member of the opposite sex.
There are more genders now than there are Pokémon. and the guardian newspaper in its death spiral is more interested in climbing up stonewalls champions diversity scheme. Its a complete farce. It would be nice if both sides could meet in the middle to talk. young lives are being destroyed for adult identity politics. I'll shut up now
So many people have mental ill health due to Covid, so I am sure many trans people also have mental ill health due to the pandemic too. Why is this an important headline? It is like the headlines that state tat trans people are at risk because they are not being given the treatment they want when they want it. My partner has been waiting for a hip replacement since 2018, is housebound and is on very strong painkilkers which make him sleep all the time. He gets really angry as well as being depressed. Guess what he deserves treatment but has had to wait. Why should he? Why is he less important than trans people?
Answer, he is not less important, he just understands there are waiting lists because the NHS is not a never ending box of tricks that give everyone what they want when they want it. Trans people have to get that stuck in their heads - the NHS does not have to say, how high, when trans folk say jump!
Mental health problems are a growing public health concern. They are prevalent not just in the UK, but around the world.
Mental health problems are one of the main causes of the overall disease burden worldwide.1
Mental health and behavioural problems (e.g. depression, anxiety and drug use) are reported to be the primary drivers of disability worldwide, causing over 40 million years of disability in 20 to 29-year-olds.2
Major depression is thought to be the second leading cause of disability worldwide and a major contributor to the burden of suicide and ischemic heart disease.3
It is estimated that 1 in 6 people in the past week experienced a common mental health problem
I agree. The entire world is going through a mental health crisis and these people, in relative security and safety, in a law abiding and tolerant society, are ‘suffering’ more than others. I’m completely sympathetic with anyone struggling with their mental or physical health, but when your ideology depends on you being a victim or ‘one of the most marginalised and vulnerable’ and taking medication, the long term effects of which are not fully understood and may well affect your mental development and wellbeing, your suffering is not exactly unsurprising, and no more deserving of sympathy than anyone else’s.
Yes ,hard to believe that so many MPs , celebrities and journalists still proclaim that " trans people " are the most " marginalised " and "vulnerable" people in the world when that's patently untrue !! Beggars belief !!
As soon as someone with influence works out that neither drugs nor surgery will 'fix' dysphoria, but only alleviate it temporarily, we might get somewhere.
But in the meantime, let's just make any therapy other than instant affirmation illegal, why not hey?
Appalling testimony from the Michaek Webberley tribunal. Parents approached the Gender GP business by email. Mother filled In questionnaire for daughter (but skipped any questions Mum felt she could do without, Skype consultation in which the child did not speak at all.
On TV they ask politicians whether a woman can have a penis or whether a man can have a cervix. When are they going to ask if they think it's acceptable for a mute 9 year old to go on puberty blockers?
I’m interested to note that the case of “child v” was initially listed for the court documents as the child being 12 years old. A “mistake”, apparently.
I have written to Hilary Cass about that. It's rarely mentioned. We know about all the parents of older children and teen who are struggling to not let their kids be transed, but what about the parents of little kids who are encouraging it? There must be an element of social contagion for those parents too, and/or as you say, the parents have frank psychiatric problems The new term for Munchausen's by Proxy is Facticious and Induced Illness (FII)
I realise Owen Jones is probably best ignored. But he's in a state of panic, resorting to throwing out any old ridiculous argument. He praised Emily Thornberry's answer to a question about women having a penis and reflected that her not becoming leader of Labour party was "frankly down to sexism"!...i hear him saying that like Moe the bartender in Simpsons telling Marge that if anything happens to Homer in his boxing fight, it's because "of your bad attitude, THERE I SAID IT"...
I have written to thank Thornberry for saying the quiet part out loud: that because of the ridiculous GRA (brought in by labour) 'women' CAN have a penis. I think many who don't know much about this topic; want to 'be kind' really do think that 'transwomen' have had genital surgery and have an image of Blaire White; not Aimee Challenor (who has a GRC) in their heads.
Moreover Labour wants those penises to find it even easier to access places set aside for women and girls. When they say what they think, we can choose not to vote for them accordingly.
*Ironically, blaire White, as 'feminine' as he looks through lots of surgery elsewhere, still has his tackle, AND he doesn't encroach on women AFAIK. So what IS wrong with the ones who do, and the people who enable them??
"Experts"
Dominic Arnall, four years as Head of Projects and Programmes at Stonewall before moving to Just Like Us
Oscar Hoyle, Client Account Manager at Stonewall before moving to Blossom
Helen Belcher, member of Stonewalls Trans Advisory Group for years
The only other person named is Dr Adam Jowett, and he is knee-deep in the conversion therapy quagmire.
Expert schmexpert
Thank you
Surely to be trans is to have a mental health issue
Pointing that out tends to provoke a very defensive response because mental health carries stigma that it shouldn't. Health services by definition deal with conditions of the mind and body. Those are the two options and Gender Dsyphoria is a psychiatric diagnosis.
Those that instead babble on about gendered souls, should probably go see a priest!
S25 of the GRA: definition of "gender dysphoria: a disorder otherwise known as gender dysphorial, gender identity disorder or transsexualism".
It isn’t ?
It is though, really, isn’t it?
Absolutely.
Not any longer...that was changed in 2019: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48448804 ..but yes, I agree with you.
Just look up "gender dysphoria" in https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/25
And for good measure look at the section on "peerages". Any "transman" seeking to inherit a peerage will be disappointed because, mysteriously, the aristocracy "cannot change sex"... or whatever this Act was supposed to achieve: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/16
Cuz it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye, I mean, a hereditary title! This ain't just some penny ante stuff like, you know, women's and LGB rights; we're talking SERIOUS business, here. Priorities!
I've also read an account from a young woman who narrowly avoided going the "trans" route: she said that what made her so susceptible was her OCD. So there's another mental illness which is probably associated with it.
I read this and ,being a bit personal now,thought of all the times I'd read of women and girls being raped,hit,groped,mutilated and murdered.I thought of all the times my friends and myself had been flashed at,groped, dismissed,sneered at and ignored because we were girls and women.I thought the article was putrid and despicable but I also thought,it was a bit bleaty,a bit silly and a bit embarrasing.These people really loathe women.
God almighty. What about our mental health? The people trying to hold the line. The people who see the devastation. The people who want to save the children. The people who want to save disturbed people from themselves. The people on the side of Justice. And trying to do this in the face of cowardly unhinged support for a bonkers ideology. What about our mental health, huh?
Tell me a time when anyone gave a f*** for our mental health ?
We don't matter - only "the feels" of AGP men and misogynists count. For years actual violence against women is often not acknowledged let alone bought to justice, and womens physical health takes second place so the last thing the patriarchy is going to do is worry about women's mental health.
Back of the queue, as always.
God bless you, well said
Obviously we don't matter and the women who support this are traitors to us all. I feel so sorry for young girls who are indoctrinated into this encouraged to mutilate their bodies and applauded for doing so
Does anyone else feel they’re encouraged to follow the yellow brick road, but, once there, they’re forgotten and the next one needs to get on the conveyor belt ?
It seems so detached.
If someone thinks they're Jesus, they get professional psychiatric treatment to gently and carefully help then to realise that they're not Jesus. They don't get told that they are Jesus and congratulated on finding that out. That would be cruel and stack even bigger mental problems on top of the one they already have.
Yet if someone thinks they're a woman despite having a penis, or thinks they're a man despite having a vagina, the current approach is to agree with them and wave a stupid little flag in celebration. So how are they supposed to come to terms with their mental illness, if they can't even be told that it's an illness?
Does anyone get money from big Pharma to be Jesus?
For life long medications?
The big PubCos and breweries got pissed off at that wine to water stuff. And big Pharma really didn't appreciate the "healing the sick" moves. Just stop that, it's ruining our profits
So true !
Puts having a pint into perspective,
Beer or Blood ?
brilliant!
If you want to read about Big Pharma try out The Real Anthony Fauci, a catalogue of his crimes which makes Mengele look like small potatoes. Big Pharma will literally do ANYTHING to make money, including killing millions of people.
Plus I should have added how Big Tech and MSM collude with Big Pharma to lie and cheat. I don't want to live too much longer in this horrid human world, but I would like to see the lawsuits that will come as the covid debacle gets exposed. A lawyer in New York/Ohio as of November 2021 had been in 30 courtrooms getting injunctions against hospitals which refused to treat patients with lifesaving meds.
Exactly. Years ago , I worked with a poor soul who thought she was Elizabeth Taylor and dressed in her best frocks and costume jewellery. How is that different to this ?
I can understand the temptation to create a theory of some kind that makes your belief a reality. Rather than believing or knowing that your delusions are not real and in fact you have a mental health issue, or disorder. The gender identity idea is much more romantic than having a disorder.
“Now every trans woman in the country is gearing up to fight to have a wee.” Always with the “wee” trope. An obsession with needing to, and the exact location of where to — wee. As if that’s the full extent of the issue. How about brandished buckets of teenage breasts, huh? Is that not also an issue?
Collateral damage, I really believe that’s how they see the mutilated youngsters.
It’s reinforcement of their own narcissism. Plus of course it absolves them of the faintest suggestion there might be some sexual component to it.
Good point, I hadn’t thought of the narcissist aspect.
Further, if that's REALLY all that it's about, then why are they so intent on WHERE they do it? Why will ONLY the women's restroom do? Don't men's restrooms actually have fixtures NAMED "urinals"? What, do those have a built-in gender-identity-detector that causes them, when approached by a bloke with ladyfeelz, to radiate a wee-repelling force field, or something? Not to mention using a restroom with "TRANS" on the door. Just get to work raising money to build those, transologists, and boom! done. Then "wee" till you die of dehydration for all I care.
It's not a medical issue but we need urgent healthcare. It's also not a mental disorder but our mental health is at breaking point. We are all desperate to see these people supported but surely they are tying our hands!
The Guardian article talks about " the fact this is happening against a backdrop of hate crime and transphobia on the rise”.
In Scotland in the latest quarterly police report we are told there were 118 hate crimes reported in the previous 12 months where transgender has been a factor.
In the same period there were 1,811 rapes reported.
15 times as many rapes as 'trans hate crimes'.
Did many of the hate crimes involve ribbons?
Stephen Whittle (women who identifies and a man) has encouraged, explicitly people to report 'hate crimes' (the bar is low) to bump up the figures. Don't they know that if the Guardian and the BBC could find examples of this epidemic of hate crimes to report upon, they'd do it? Where are they?
One of the many galling things is that recent stats on hate crimes against LGBTQ+ were reported as if they were totally about transphobia. If you look at the stats they were almost all homophobic and lesbophobic attacks. Another advantage of forced teaming.
(And by far the biggest category of hate crimes are racist ones).
Took the words out of my mouth ,there !!🤪🙈
The Guardian is a disgrace. Protecting women’s rights in the face of a nebulous ideology is the pivotal issue of our time. I’m pro-women, not anti-trans, but I’ll see trans people cancelled before they cancel us.
Predictable histrionic shite from Zoe Williams. What an arsehead, filled with concern about Starmer and the Labour party failing to be good enough allies to bullying, misogynistic activists. I don't know what kind of alligience Labour is showing to women and girls, LGB and transgender people, all of whom suffer from the stance and behaviour of activists and their enablers and apologists. Is Williams oblivious to the damage and abuse, or does she simply not care, for fear of losing credibility as a mindless, compliant ally?
Who the fuck are these “experts”? People who can see a gravy train steaming away from them presumably.
Indeed. To quote Upton Sinclair, “it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
Although that problem is rather pervasive, pernicious, and problematic. And no more evident than in Academia, at least according to a Substack essay by Michael Robillard where I ran across that quote:
https://michaelrobillard.substack.com/p/how-i-left-academia-or-how-academia?s=r
Worth the price of admission is his lead-off quote of James Delingpole:
“Universities are madrassas for woke stupidity.”
Indeed.
How many sexes are there?
All the institutions have let these children and young people down. Fast tracking them on a conveyor belt to being lifelong medical patients without asking them a single question, Affirming the young people that they are literally living in someone else's body, for them to later realise they've been sold a lie, that you can never actually change sex. YouTube influencers promising the world to impressionable young minds who feel like they don't fit in. This is different than gay rights, Having gender dysphoria does not make you a member of the opposite sex.
There are more genders now than there are Pokémon. and the guardian newspaper in its death spiral is more interested in climbing up stonewalls champions diversity scheme. Its a complete farce. It would be nice if both sides could meet in the middle to talk. young lives are being destroyed for adult identity politics. I'll shut up now
So many people have mental ill health due to Covid, so I am sure many trans people also have mental ill health due to the pandemic too. Why is this an important headline? It is like the headlines that state tat trans people are at risk because they are not being given the treatment they want when they want it. My partner has been waiting for a hip replacement since 2018, is housebound and is on very strong painkilkers which make him sleep all the time. He gets really angry as well as being depressed. Guess what he deserves treatment but has had to wait. Why should he? Why is he less important than trans people?
Answer, he is not less important, he just understands there are waiting lists because the NHS is not a never ending box of tricks that give everyone what they want when they want it. Trans people have to get that stuck in their heads - the NHS does not have to say, how high, when trans folk say jump!
great post
Worldwide epidemic …but trans suffer the most!!!
Mental health statistics: UK and worldwide
Mental health problems are a growing public health concern. They are prevalent not just in the UK, but around the world.
Mental health problems are one of the main causes of the overall disease burden worldwide.1
Mental health and behavioural problems (e.g. depression, anxiety and drug use) are reported to be the primary drivers of disability worldwide, causing over 40 million years of disability in 20 to 29-year-olds.2
Major depression is thought to be the second leading cause of disability worldwide and a major contributor to the burden of suicide and ischemic heart disease.3
It is estimated that 1 in 6 people in the past week experienced a common mental health problem
https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/statistics/mental-health-statistics-uk-and-worldwide
I agree. The entire world is going through a mental health crisis and these people, in relative security and safety, in a law abiding and tolerant society, are ‘suffering’ more than others. I’m completely sympathetic with anyone struggling with their mental or physical health, but when your ideology depends on you being a victim or ‘one of the most marginalised and vulnerable’ and taking medication, the long term effects of which are not fully understood and may well affect your mental development and wellbeing, your suffering is not exactly unsurprising, and no more deserving of sympathy than anyone else’s.
Yes ,hard to believe that so many MPs , celebrities and journalists still proclaim that " trans people " are the most " marginalised " and "vulnerable" people in the world when that's patently untrue !! Beggars belief !!
It’s like a tagline. Only last week, a Tory MP mentioned trans with the inevitable follow up line, which always goes completely unchallenged.
Just sticking to the script.
Medicating dysphoria *may be* harmful to mental health.
As soon as someone with influence works out that neither drugs nor surgery will 'fix' dysphoria, but only alleviate it temporarily, we might get somewhere.
But in the meantime, let's just make any therapy other than instant affirmation illegal, why not hey?
Exactly. Euphoria is the antonym of dysphoria and both are feelings not medical conditions.
It sounds as if that’s all they’re given, very little discussion, but here are some hormones, get those down you. When can we schedule your surgery ?
Appalling testimony from the Michaek Webberley tribunal. Parents approached the Gender GP business by email. Mother filled In questionnaire for daughter (but skipped any questions Mum felt she could do without, Skype consultation in which the child did not speak at all.
Puberty blockers.
Child was 9.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tribunaltweets2/status/1512050362475327495
On TV they ask politicians whether a woman can have a penis or whether a man can have a cervix. When are they going to ask if they think it's acceptable for a mute 9 year old to go on puberty blockers?
“I can’t possibly go
Into anyones personal details blah blah blah”
I wept when I read that.
I’m interested to note that the case of “child v” was initially listed for the court documents as the child being 12 years old. A “mistake”, apparently.
No: 9.
Possibly I’m being cynical about that...
I have written to Hilary Cass about that. It's rarely mentioned. We know about all the parents of older children and teen who are struggling to not let their kids be transed, but what about the parents of little kids who are encouraging it? There must be an element of social contagion for those parents too, and/or as you say, the parents have frank psychiatric problems The new term for Munchausen's by Proxy is Facticious and Induced Illness (FII)
That mum should be in jail.and so should Webberly ! Gross child abuse by both of them !!
I realise Owen Jones is probably best ignored. But he's in a state of panic, resorting to throwing out any old ridiculous argument. He praised Emily Thornberry's answer to a question about women having a penis and reflected that her not becoming leader of Labour party was "frankly down to sexism"!...i hear him saying that like Moe the bartender in Simpsons telling Marge that if anything happens to Homer in his boxing fight, it's because "of your bad attitude, THERE I SAID IT"...
I have written to thank Thornberry for saying the quiet part out loud: that because of the ridiculous GRA (brought in by labour) 'women' CAN have a penis. I think many who don't know much about this topic; want to 'be kind' really do think that 'transwomen' have had genital surgery and have an image of Blaire White; not Aimee Challenor (who has a GRC) in their heads.
Moreover Labour wants those penises to find it even easier to access places set aside for women and girls. When they say what they think, we can choose not to vote for them accordingly.
*Ironically, blaire White, as 'feminine' as he looks through lots of surgery elsewhere, still has his tackle, AND he doesn't encroach on women AFAIK. So what IS wrong with the ones who do, and the people who enable them??