"I feel like you're forcing me into dictionary definitions". This is insane. Insane! And not an expert!? What kind of defense is that? He's the CEO of a major LGBT organisation, fgs! Is he really so lacking in curiosity over his own subject area ie the Cass Report, or did he really just have no answers? I'd guess the latter. The corruption stinks.
Thanks goodness for a bit of light relief in this segment:
AR - we don't know how many people actual regret and are actually gay and lesbians
He may be in the depths of cognitive dissonance but his lawyres won't be, not if his lawyers are any good! They know he's a weak witness who will dissolve under scutiny briefed him to minimise reading The Cass Report. Otherwise he has to say where and why he disgrees with her, which he can't do.He's no expert!
I needed to read that and I particularly liked that bit too! There is nowhere to hide in court when being properly directly/cross-examined. You can see the barristers leading these numpties towards their own downfall by asking such simple questions and waiting for the inconsistent illogicality to spill out. My first time in big court I was told sit down, don't say a thing and don't let a sniff of what you're thinking cross your face. My uncle used to sometimes attend in London for fun as the devastating put downs by simple displays of logic are a joy to behold :-)
We used to have war councils and governing bodies to run the world in primary school. It's fantasy and play and seeing if you can persuade others to play with you and we all know the types, who only let you play with them and not others. Who want to dictate. To shun others and be mean. Who rate who their best friends are. Then merrily skip off home to mummy and daddy. It's almost as if these adults are so stuck in their arrested development they really do think that playing CEO for years actually means anything. They really did float to the top. Being nasty to the kid you didn't like got them so far up Stonewall's wazoo, I mean drivelosity scheme wall chart of bullying, they really did and do believe all this.
Now thinking of a kazoo up the wazoo as it's hard to take these nasty muppets seriously. I am delighted they are being exposed for the grasping, ignorant, selfish, self-aggrandizing fools they are, who have presided over such harm and with so few safeguards.
Kind of feels like "Have you done your homework?" And some inane excuse for not having done the homework is trotted out and is so transparent its almost insulting.
I know! He didn't even pretend to have prepared. He "skimmed" the Cass review, one of the KEY documents... "skimmed!?" I've done more than skim the Cass Review and I'm not in a tribunal! You just couldn't make it up!
You're right, and those mates will know better than women, what with their oppression and all...
Is it just me or does this movement now associate women with all the privilege and strength of men (in terms of what they are expected to tolerate/accept and the power they exude), and men with magical lady feels are now associated with all the oppression that women face (and double oppression as a result of their trans status)?
By this logic, "trans women (i.e. men) have it tougher than women". This is why, I suppose, speaking out about women's issues has become synonymous with being fascist / right wing. Us women are like the Establishment upholding (matriarchy?) and all these men in dresses are like the new Suffragettes, fighting for their freedom from us, their oppressor (oppressor because we're quite keen on the word "no"). It is critical race theory 2.0, isn't it?
I feel like they are trying to set up women as the dominant class (all the while stealing our rights and trampling all over us, of course). This is how TRAs justify males being in women's prisons. Women can handle it. The roles of the oppressed/oppressor are subverted in this fantasy, yet in reality, nothing ever changed.
I was chatting to my friend about how that sex offending 'trans woman' has just been put in a female prison. Her response was "the women will kick the sh*t out of him. Everyone hates child abusers". It's possible he will get a hard time, but I did remind her that most women in jail are vulnerable, not violent. This conversation really struck me. Suddenly women are expected to be able to hold their own (like a man), when we know that biologically, this is not an easy task (men's upper body strength is said to be about double that of a woman's, on average). She seems to think of women as warriors, which is quite feminist of her, but will feminism bite us in the ass now. We're so strong and capable, it's fine for us to share a jail with men? I think people have been watching too many prison dramas with tough-as-nails women. Problem is, that's fiction, not reality.
Think I might start calling the TRAs 'The Suffragettes', just to take the total p*ss! I really want - through humour - to show that this is un-like any civil rights movement that has ever existed. That it's about power and dominance. And to conjure up an image of those amazing women who sacrificed so much for women's [sane, reasonable] rights, by contrast of course.
I had to look up DARVO... you summed up what I meant in 5 letters! So not only do they want access to women's spaces (and children's bodies), they are doing it using a method from an abuser's handbook! AND they've got people making excuses for their behaviour!
I lived DARVO as a child and swam in the soup it creates. Then I was given a reading list, a book prescription if you like, by a savvy trauma therapist in my 30s. It was my life written out, but even weirder some nice people and criminologists had been studying it. How did I not know? How did more people not know this I thought? My wider family?
It informed (and even without me realising it) my studies, my professional life, my ethics, my life, the lot. And I've seen so many (mainly women but some male victims and wider observers) unaware of this type of coercion and control. It takes time to fully comprehend as when you start seeing it, and have a name for it, you see it everywhere because it really is the underlying unhealthy thread to a lot of human interactions. It goes unseen too, so to find others who can see it is vital as they can help you through it.
If you have time, look up Lundy Bancroft and those who work in what used to be called 'domestic' violence or abuse. Maybe the 'Cycle of Abuse' too. These are tough going, so take it in small bites.
The women's rights, refuges and safety networks have been sounding the alarms for many decades and on the ambivalence and lack of support from the criminal justice system. Why do you think the genderologist LARPing men attacked them first and launched such vicious campaigns against them? 'Trans' Rights Activists and Extremists follow an invisible playbook despite many of them being too thick to realise they are. We see them and see exactly what they are.
That might show the contempt he has for children, it’s not that important to him, which is ironic. Mermaids brought this case, maybe he didn’t think he had anything to explain or contribute, after all shout transphobic, and any dissent should disappear… right ?
Absolutely - I think he wasn't ready for the mental gymnastics of an adult conversation. Unable to talk about the safety / safeguarding of children with any hint of coherence?
I shouldn't be surprised. What did surprise me was the complete lack of effort, of attempting to rise to the occasion. Are these vulnerable children worth so little so as not to prepare, especially when they brought the action themselves? It's disgraceful.
If only it was televised. The complacency and arrogance being laid bare should be seen by all including the parents who have trusted Mermaids with the health and well-being of their children.
I know! I wish the same. They need to be exposed. There is absolutely the perception that there is some special transgender medicine and that the medical profession is helping all these poor trans kids that couldn't get help before this due to lack acceptance.
I cannot shout "MANUFACTURED MEDICAL CRISIS" any louder. These people have advertised trans, it's a business, an industry, a brand you get to be (instead of wear.) They're feeding our kids to the lions and there are still people watching on, clapping this movement! People think it's great to spread awareness, like this is some kind of public health campaign.
The people who think they're so left-wing and progressive, championing trans rights and particularly trans healthcare for children, are the very ones propping up one of the most cruel forms of capitalism that exists today (in the 1st world, anyway). Children suffer all over the world but usually due to poverty. Here, we have predominantly middle class children being used and spat out.
Have I got this right? This is the way I see it. I'm referring to how things are in America mostly (the fact that we have an NHS will save us, I think). But not only in America. Mermaid's turnover is in the millions.
'In 2020/21, grants were successfully secured from funders including The Paul Hamlyn Foundation, The Henry Smith Charity, The Global Fund for Children and The Clothworkers Foundation. Additional successful grant applications for 21/22 include Esmee Fairbairn and Student Space, to enable us to directly support trans students and add capacity to our legal and policy work. Ongoing stewardship with funders such as the National Lottery was maintained. Mermaids’ first charity ballot race places were gained for the Great North Run 2020 and more Regular Giving subscriptions than ever before were added to the donor database. A new fundraising donor CRM and website greatly strengthened the team's work and, as the impact of COVID-19 became manifest, the team rapidly diversified to offer more virtual fundraising opportunities through online streaming, via platforms such as Tilitfy. The new CRM enabled a regular donors’ newsletter to be mobilised for the first time as well as bringing 'in-house' the management and processing of the majority of fundraising donations. In 21/22 we have secured a KickStart grant to cover a part time admin/trainee role for the fundraising department for 6 months, with the expectation that this may lead to a full time permanent role.'
I have referred to gonorrhoea a few times and that's what this is - it's an STD or STI of our body politic and civil society. It had spread silently and effectively with symptoms being overlooked, misunderstood, mislabelled or ignored. Maybe some medical researchers can identify the bacterium. Mermaidisseris Stonewallococcus?
This entire proceeding should go under the dictionary definition of "seriously absolute fuckery", though I am wary of forcing poor Paul into dictionary definitions - the worst form of oppression in mankind's history.
And there we have it. Not an expert in anything but prevarication and cult talk. Willfully and criminally ignorant re. safeguarding. But by god, he clings to the mantra of ‘inclusion and diversity’. ‘Inclusion’ of what exactly? All the cult's many ‘diverse’ physical, mental, and emotional tortures? Yes, I’ll give that to him, but don’t think that’s what he meant. And now he’s on record.
Edit: My original comment stated that the witness was a liar, but as I was not in the courtroom myself, & had no in-person opportunity to judge the credibility and comportment of the witness, I retract it.
Let me just say this: what a skewering! Most enjoyable. Attorney AR will have enormous fun summing up that testimony in closing arguments.
"I feel like you're forcing me into dictionary definitions". This is insane. Insane! And not an expert!? What kind of defense is that? He's the CEO of a major LGBT organisation, fgs! Is he really so lacking in curiosity over his own subject area ie the Cass Report, or did he really just have no answers? I'd guess the latter. The corruption stinks.
Thanks goodness for a bit of light relief in this segment:
AR - we don't know how many people actual regret and are actually gay and lesbians
PR - I don't agree.
AR - Do you know how many there are?
PR - no.
AR - then you do agree with me.
Burn!!!
He may be in the depths of cognitive dissonance but his lawyres won't be, not if his lawyers are any good! They know he's a weak witness who will dissolve under scutiny briefed him to minimise reading The Cass Report. Otherwise he has to say where and why he disgrees with her, which he can't do.He's no expert!
I cackled so much yesterday it was unseemly
Akua Reindorf is amazing.Fab to watch her work.
I needed to read that and I particularly liked that bit too! There is nowhere to hide in court when being properly directly/cross-examined. You can see the barristers leading these numpties towards their own downfall by asking such simple questions and waiting for the inconsistent illogicality to spill out. My first time in big court I was told sit down, don't say a thing and don't let a sniff of what you're thinking cross your face. My uncle used to sometimes attend in London for fun as the devastating put downs by simple displays of logic are a joy to behold :-)
Ouch zzzzzz
Where to start?
I'm not an expert...
I vaguely recall this and that... (this and that being glaring and serious safeguarding concerns)
I've only "skimmed" the Cass Review...
We're talking about children's healthcare here. Children's bodies. Children's lives. And this feels like nothing more than a shrug and an eye roll.
I'm disgusted by these insulting and dismissive responses and heartbroken for the children who have been harmed.
They’re not used to having to account for themselves. When questioned, he just waffled, he’s no expert!
We used to have war councils and governing bodies to run the world in primary school. It's fantasy and play and seeing if you can persuade others to play with you and we all know the types, who only let you play with them and not others. Who want to dictate. To shun others and be mean. Who rate who their best friends are. Then merrily skip off home to mummy and daddy. It's almost as if these adults are so stuck in their arrested development they really do think that playing CEO for years actually means anything. They really did float to the top. Being nasty to the kid you didn't like got them so far up Stonewall's wazoo, I mean drivelosity scheme wall chart of bullying, they really did and do believe all this.
I love drivelosity scheme.
I love that.. the old Stonewall wazoo 😂
Ditto Stonewall's 'drivelosity wall chart of bullying'. Thanks for that, ThoughSheBe.
Now thinking of a kazoo up the wazoo as it's hard to take these nasty muppets seriously. I am delighted they are being exposed for the grasping, ignorant, selfish, self-aggrandizing fools they are, who have presided over such harm and with so few safeguards.
Happy Chappie John Nicholson Iis already losing his calm demeanour, so a bit of the kazoo up the wazoo is much called for 😂
Kind of feels like "Have you done your homework?" And some inane excuse for not having done the homework is trotted out and is so transparent its almost insulting.
Certainly insulting to young people.
Yeah, not even "the dog ate my Cass Report!"
Hahaha
Bizarre attitude to take to a court room!
Surely you would gen up and back up with facts and references what you saying!
I know! He didn't even pretend to have prepared. He "skimmed" the Cass review, one of the KEY documents... "skimmed!?" I've done more than skim the Cass Review and I'm not in a tribunal! You just couldn't make it up!
But he's got a couple of mates pretending to be women and they're happy, so that's all the 'facts' he needs.
You're right, and those mates will know better than women, what with their oppression and all...
Is it just me or does this movement now associate women with all the privilege and strength of men (in terms of what they are expected to tolerate/accept and the power they exude), and men with magical lady feels are now associated with all the oppression that women face (and double oppression as a result of their trans status)?
By this logic, "trans women (i.e. men) have it tougher than women". This is why, I suppose, speaking out about women's issues has become synonymous with being fascist / right wing. Us women are like the Establishment upholding (matriarchy?) and all these men in dresses are like the new Suffragettes, fighting for their freedom from us, their oppressor (oppressor because we're quite keen on the word "no"). It is critical race theory 2.0, isn't it?
I feel like they are trying to set up women as the dominant class (all the while stealing our rights and trampling all over us, of course). This is how TRAs justify males being in women's prisons. Women can handle it. The roles of the oppressed/oppressor are subverted in this fantasy, yet in reality, nothing ever changed.
I was chatting to my friend about how that sex offending 'trans woman' has just been put in a female prison. Her response was "the women will kick the sh*t out of him. Everyone hates child abusers". It's possible he will get a hard time, but I did remind her that most women in jail are vulnerable, not violent. This conversation really struck me. Suddenly women are expected to be able to hold their own (like a man), when we know that biologically, this is not an easy task (men's upper body strength is said to be about double that of a woman's, on average). She seems to think of women as warriors, which is quite feminist of her, but will feminism bite us in the ass now. We're so strong and capable, it's fine for us to share a jail with men? I think people have been watching too many prison dramas with tough-as-nails women. Problem is, that's fiction, not reality.
Think I might start calling the TRAs 'The Suffragettes', just to take the total p*ss! I really want - through humour - to show that this is un-like any civil rights movement that has ever existed. That it's about power and dominance. And to conjure up an image of those amazing women who sacrificed so much for women's [sane, reasonable] rights, by contrast of course.
DARVO in action; taken to the extreme. Thank you for this logical analysis!
I had to look up DARVO... you summed up what I meant in 5 letters! So not only do they want access to women's spaces (and children's bodies), they are doing it using a method from an abuser's handbook! AND they've got people making excuses for their behaviour!
I lived DARVO as a child and swam in the soup it creates. Then I was given a reading list, a book prescription if you like, by a savvy trauma therapist in my 30s. It was my life written out, but even weirder some nice people and criminologists had been studying it. How did I not know? How did more people not know this I thought? My wider family?
It informed (and even without me realising it) my studies, my professional life, my ethics, my life, the lot. And I've seen so many (mainly women but some male victims and wider observers) unaware of this type of coercion and control. It takes time to fully comprehend as when you start seeing it, and have a name for it, you see it everywhere because it really is the underlying unhealthy thread to a lot of human interactions. It goes unseen too, so to find others who can see it is vital as they can help you through it.
If you have time, look up Lundy Bancroft and those who work in what used to be called 'domestic' violence or abuse. Maybe the 'Cycle of Abuse' too. These are tough going, so take it in small bites.
The women's rights, refuges and safety networks have been sounding the alarms for many decades and on the ambivalence and lack of support from the criminal justice system. Why do you think the genderologist LARPing men attacked them first and launched such vicious campaigns against them? 'Trans' Rights Activists and Extremists follow an invisible playbook despite many of them being too thick to realise they are. We see them and see exactly what they are.
That might show the contempt he has for children, it’s not that important to him, which is ironic. Mermaids brought this case, maybe he didn’t think he had anything to explain or contribute, after all shout transphobic, and any dissent should disappear… right ?
Absolutely - I think he wasn't ready for the mental gymnastics of an adult conversation. Unable to talk about the safety / safeguarding of children with any hint of coherence?
I shouldn't be surprised. What did surprise me was the complete lack of effort, of attempting to rise to the occasion. Are these vulnerable children worth so little so as not to prepare, especially when they brought the action themselves? It's disgraceful.
The concern over transwomen seems to be the point of this exercise, rather than the children, perhaps we were confused all along.
Only if you had facts and references to back up what you were saying. And they've never had those.
How long before he sticks his fingers in his ears and loudly sings 'LALALALALALA'?
And these dingbats are leading the trans charge. How on a earth did they get so far?
If only it was televised. The complacency and arrogance being laid bare should be seen by all including the parents who have trusted Mermaids with the health and well-being of their children.
I know! I wish the same. They need to be exposed. There is absolutely the perception that there is some special transgender medicine and that the medical profession is helping all these poor trans kids that couldn't get help before this due to lack acceptance.
I cannot shout "MANUFACTURED MEDICAL CRISIS" any louder. These people have advertised trans, it's a business, an industry, a brand you get to be (instead of wear.) They're feeding our kids to the lions and there are still people watching on, clapping this movement! People think it's great to spread awareness, like this is some kind of public health campaign.
The people who think they're so left-wing and progressive, championing trans rights and particularly trans healthcare for children, are the very ones propping up one of the most cruel forms of capitalism that exists today (in the 1st world, anyway). Children suffer all over the world but usually due to poverty. Here, we have predominantly middle class children being used and spat out.
Have I got this right? This is the way I see it. I'm referring to how things are in America mostly (the fact that we have an NHS will save us, I think). But not only in America. Mermaid's turnover is in the millions.
where do Mermaids get their money?
Oh and... @wagamama_uk and @DocMartinOnline
Didn't they get £££££££ from ComicRelief? National Lottery?
Starbucks and Poundland for sure... not sure about other revenue streams!
Look them up on the charity commission website and their register of charities, charity number 1160575. https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5054976/accounts-and-annual-returns
'In 2020/21, grants were successfully secured from funders including The Paul Hamlyn Foundation, The Henry Smith Charity, The Global Fund for Children and The Clothworkers Foundation. Additional successful grant applications for 21/22 include Esmee Fairbairn and Student Space, to enable us to directly support trans students and add capacity to our legal and policy work. Ongoing stewardship with funders such as the National Lottery was maintained. Mermaids’ first charity ballot race places were gained for the Great North Run 2020 and more Regular Giving subscriptions than ever before were added to the donor database. A new fundraising donor CRM and website greatly strengthened the team's work and, as the impact of COVID-19 became manifest, the team rapidly diversified to offer more virtual fundraising opportunities through online streaming, via platforms such as Tilitfy. The new CRM enabled a regular donors’ newsletter to be mobilised for the first time as well as bringing 'in-house' the management and processing of the majority of fundraising donations. In 21/22 we have secured a KickStart grant to cover a part time admin/trainee role for the fundraising department for 6 months, with the expectation that this may lead to a full time permanent role.'
I have referred to gonorrhoea a few times and that's what this is - it's an STD or STI of our body politic and civil society. It had spread silently and effectively with symptoms being overlooked, misunderstood, mislabelled or ignored. Maybe some medical researchers can identify the bacterium. Mermaidisseris Stonewallococcus?
More lack of expertise earlier in the day . . .
AR - are you suggesting that Fanshawe and Harris are denying
Human rights to trans people?
PR - I’m not accusing anyone of that, I’m not a legal expert.
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AR - a disproportionate number of gay young people being referred to GIDS. 10% in general population.
PR - I’m not an expert in statistics.
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AR - gender affirming medical care - a teenager given puberty blockers
Does not go through their puberty with their peers,
PR - not an expert
AR - just your general understanding
PR - not a medical expert
AR - not suggesting you are, but you are an LGBT rights campaigner
PR - yes.
AR - going on to surgery, these surgeries are irreversible?
PR - Not an expert.
and this!
AR - being gay is about being sexually attracted to someone on the same place on the spectrum as you regardless of their biological sex.
PR - I disagree.
AR - what is your definition then?
PR - I don’t agree with that, it’s not that binary.
PR - I’m not that it’s my place to come up with a definition.
AR - you see that from these definitions, it’s completely different when people are attracted to be people of the same sex.
PR - I don’t believe it’s that binary
AR - being attracted to people of the same gender,
Is very different from being same sex attracted.
PR - I do not see the world as that binary.
AR - describes lesbian couples that may be one butch and one femme, aren’t they a straight couple based on gender identity?
PR - I don’t believe there are many lesbian couples like that
(Outburst from spectators) 😂😂😂
https://archive.ph/EFPQU
I could feel him shrug, and asking himself, why are these people bothering me with all of this ?
🤣🤣
A great woman summed it up so well, once upon a time. What were those words... oh yeah... "Seriously absolute fuckery".
This entire proceeding should go under the dictionary definition of "seriously absolute fuckery", though I am wary of forcing poor Paul into dictionary definitions - the worst form of oppression in mankind's history.
And there we have it. Not an expert in anything but prevarication and cult talk. Willfully and criminally ignorant re. safeguarding. But by god, he clings to the mantra of ‘inclusion and diversity’. ‘Inclusion’ of what exactly? All the cult's many ‘diverse’ physical, mental, and emotional tortures? Yes, I’ll give that to him, but don’t think that’s what he meant. And now he’s on record.
I wonder if he got up and thought to himself ‘ I think that went very well. hope SW were pleased’
Yes! Yes, he did.
Genderdammerung
Woohoo! Perfect :-)
It's soooooooooooo frustrating tobread that!! Only circular thinking, no answer, NO F#CKING MENTION OF WOMEN AS IF WE DON'T EXIST!!!
Each time the word woman or lesbian was used he swiych on Trans identified male😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😡🤬😡
What an absolute melt!
I’m no expert but I bet we’ve all got more care and concern for the children who pass through Mermaid's doors, than this fuckwit ever had.
I couldn’t believe what I was reading … literally!
This guy is as thick as two short planks
Concrete forms.
Thicker.
Extremely thick, extremely short planks.
As thick as two short planks embedded in mince.
and no gravy!
Just greedy for salary more likely
Edit: My original comment stated that the witness was a liar, but as I was not in the courtroom myself, & had no in-person opportunity to judge the credibility and comportment of the witness, I retract it.
Let me just say this: what a skewering! Most enjoyable. Attorney AR will have enormous fun summing up that testimony in closing arguments.
I'm no expert, but this man Paul Roberts is a dangerous fool.
I would like to agree with you but I'm no expert 😉
"I'm not an expert" is doing a lot of heavy lifting on behalf of Paul Robert's stream of evasions. A truly horrible witness for the complainant.
Oh my blood pressure! This not-an-expert’s initials are superbly aligned as the first two letters of the five letter word that sums him up so well.
Ha!
My first thoughts were that Paul Roberts must be in very good health ;-)
"per rec·tum (PR),
(per rek'tŭm), By or through the rectum, denoting a method of delivering medication."