This video is about as perfect a summation of the current situation for women because of the utter failure of third-wave feminism, which some call liberal feminism, and I call Vichy feminism. Not only has she been violated, she blames herself, and praises the people who put her in harm’s way. Everything about this is disgraceful and heartbreaking but at least it provides us with a clear picture of how today’s women have been disempowered by today’s ‘feminism’.
The 'queering' of feminism has been devastating. So 'inclusive' as to be meaningless. So 'diverse' that men are included in women's sanctuaries. Boundaries dissolved, so it's a free- for-all. A lot of young women's ability to think has been concussed by the onslaught of 'queer' cult speak and 'queer' cult thought -- in short, by the ubiquitous onslaught of 'queer' propaganda by institutions, schools, governments, media, NGOs, universities, think-tanks etc. She is a victim of the seemingly torrential approval of this nonsense by so many 'official' bodies.
It’s the concept of ‘inclusion’ that was/is the Trojan horse that has facilitated all this dangerous nonsense. Inclusion is all very well but not at the expense of common sense, public (in this case that of women and girls) safety and personal dignity.
I don't think that was necessary. Gender identity ideology politics has penetrated multiple areas of life. Government departments, corporations, the police and justice system, the health service, education system, media and entertainment -everything. It seems to have been achieved through relentless activism rather than a large number of activists. There are millions of men and a significant portion of them are just fine with this tyrranical, bullshit ideology that takes power away from women and gives it to them. Who cares about all the trans stuff? They don't. I doubt they'd pay it any attention at all if it didn't give them the opportunity to harass and shout abuse at women in public occasionally.
I remember Sophie Hagen on Guilty Feminist telling the audience that the loos would be gender neutral at all her gigs, and anyone who didn’t like it could “fuck off”. And the majority cheered. I just wonder how many were silently thinking ‘I’m not comfortable with it, I guess I’m not welcome?”
Can I remind the writer about where the whole idea of queer fits, it fits in ideas of sexualities and not of sexual biology or the human definition of two sexes. As long as we do not start with the two sexes, and the phallogocentric cultures we live in (which means that ideas and definitions are always filtered through the phallic mirror) we are blind about the male as norm of humanity, remember Mankind? Queer or Transgender are all continuing the male forms of Being Woman!
Liberal feminism my arse. It’s men thinking they can get away with anything in non single-sex spaces, whether or not they’re dressed as women. Primark and all you other facilitators hang your heads in shame.
Liberal Feminism also does not account for the fact that men who do not want to frighten women, or who would themselves be uncomfortable using mixed-sex changing rooms, are also self-excluding.
Presumably they would return when all the women have been driven away by the men who are perfectly happy to perv on women or are oblivious to the negative impact of their presence on women?
For that reason, it is going to have to be women who lead the fight against this; the long-term prospects for us are truly dire whereas for men who do not like the current situation, it will just be a temporary inconvenience.
"It was a unisex changing room which I'm really for and I love that because it makes everyone feel included..."
Yes, the operative word is "everyone," because it includes perverts. It makes perverts feel included, because they are. This is going to happen over and over, wherever changing rooms and toilets are open to everyone.
I feel very bad for that woman but what is so complicated about it? Open a safe environment up to include "everyone" and it's no longer a safe environment.
“I won’t be using the changing rooms again. I’d rather buy something, take it home to try on and return it if it doesn’t fit”.
Out of economic interest alone, the shops need to ensure that women can safely use their changing rooms.
Of course it’s also outrageous that they’ve allowed such a situation to arise in the first place. It must have been foreseeable that large mixed changing rooms with just a curtain for privacy (not a lockable door) and limited supervision would result in this sort of situation.
Agreed, Lord Ha Ha. This is an existential issue for all of us, not just women, but especially for women and girls, and children, too, who are being given no opportunity to work through their feelings. Homosexual men are also in the firing line.
Dr Debbie Hayton gave a glimpse into the autogynephilic mind recently when he hinted strongly that autogynephilic men view the 'womanly' part of themselves not as something to be admired, but something to be despised, subjugated and made submissive. Sorry, can't recall now where I read it, and I may be wrongly interpreting his words.
If I have understood it, that would suggest to me that autogynephilic men differ in no way from extreme misogynists who are unable to view females as fellow human beings, with feelings and thoughts and wants and needs of their own, but always as reflections of what some men want to make their lives functional, as they see it, an an entitlement or right.
If that is so, then this thing is even worse than we have imagined thus far. Ira Levin wrote the hideously misogynistic 'Stepford Wives', but this could be 'Stepford Wives' on stilts - which makes sense when you hear their demands of lesbians to view them as lesbians, too, when they are actually heterosexual men.
Most, if not all of ladies M&S’s fitting rooms are lockable cubicles, I used to have regular transvestites (as they were called then) as regular customers as the clothes were longer and the shoes available in larger sizes. We didn’t discriminate but then these men didn’t parade themselves in front of, or intimidate our female customers. I’m so glad I don’t have to worry about this anymore.
Health and safety’s an interesting point, but the main legislation concerns duties to employees (customers are owed a duty of care in tort/negligence).
Although it’s directed at protecting employees (because the legislation concerns them), employees will be better protected from the possibility of violence if men aren’t walking in on women in the changing rooms hoping to find them undressed, giving rise to the possibility of violence or abuse when confronted. So there’s an indirect health and safety at work concern.
Are these pro-inclusion young women devoid of common sense, brain-washed or just a bit thick? Definitely the first two, possibly also the third as well….
If you go down to Primark today, you'd better not go alone... The conditioning of young women to put "inclusivity" ahead of their own safety is bloody appalling. Of course, this is why young women join the TRAs etc. against older feminists who centre womens needs rather than accommodating the needs of men - they have been conditioned that if they don't accept men in their spaces then they are unkind! FFS!
Many young women are idealistic, and because they are YOUNG, they are naïve. They don’t have the life experience to imagine the lengths others can go to, intentionally, to satisfy themselves.
I agree. When I went to University we were put into campus accommodation the first year, in single rooms with single-sex blocks of showers, bathrooms and toilets. There were always queues for the women's showers and baths and never for the men's.
I think all of us women agreed that it would have been more sensible to have made them all mixed sex to cut the queues for us. This includes women who had been sexually assaulted, though not in showers/changing rooms/bathrooms/toilets.
We were just at that age where you are still not only naive but have a sense of invulnerability. It never occurred to us that it might have been for our own safety. I only realised that much later.
Absolutely, and there is also peer pressure to conform and the need to be liked as well which is so much stronger when you are young. Even those that may have a different view are shamed into silence or reap the consequences as we saw with that poor girl who was hounded out of school for her GC views. People are vicious online as well - it sounded like that poor girl in the video was covering her arse by saying she supported inclusivity as a good thing in case she got harassed online.
The sad thing is that this young lady has herself been sucked into this inclusivity myth (with its consequential assault on women and girls’ safe spaces). She describes how she is ‘for’ unisex changing rooms as it ‘promotes inclusivity’... She is obviously very upset at this terrible invasion of her privacy and says she will no longer go shopping on her own… Female disempowerment in action!
Inclusivity my eye - include the men at the expense of women and girls’ dignity & safety. The urinary leash scenario is back with a bang!! 😤😤😤
Not only “unisex” changing rooms, but with just curtains - no door to latch. Gender woo has basically opened up free peep shows for males. It must be a paradise for pervs, especially pedos. I’m sure most of their sales are to women, both buying for themselves and their families, but even that doesn’t matter anymore?
Apparently Primark told this young woman it happened before to other women, so what will it take for captured companies to not do Stonewalls bidding, a woman or girl being raped? Because this is where we are heading.
Don't they do risk assessments? If it happened before then they're aware of an identified risk that they should have responded to. I suddenly feel compelled to approach the HSE for clarification.
I think that at least some of these big companies actually believe what Stonewall tells them about the law. They don't query it or check it with their own lawyers. This has been the Stonewall Diversity coup: tell a pack of legalistic lies and everyone rushes to believe you. Women, usually their customer base, say, this will happen if you do such and such, and they are ignored. It definitely comes down to women and girls being disregarded in a deep-rooted, psychological way that is very disturbing. Sue. Then they will know the real law, not the Stonewall law.
That’s exactly it, these companies think Stonewall law IS the law, plus they are very keen to get to the top of Stonewalls diversity champions league table for some reason.
"The fact society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman"
It's tragic and frightening to hear this poor young woman describe her traumatising experience. Even more so, as she still feels she has to defend a concept of the kind of inclusivity that lead to her being abused. This is going to happen over and again, because guess what? Predatory men will take advantage of the opportunity to be in women spaces. And I don't care if they behave themselves, allowing them to be there violates women.
This woman was able to leave the changing room and get away from the men in question, but not all women can do that. Women in prison, for instance. Or ill and vulnerable women on hospital wards. I'm aware of a psychiatric hospital that had mixed sex wards. About 10 years ago this policy was revised and the wards became single sex. This decision was taken because female patients were being physically and sexually assaulted and sexually intimidated by some of the male patients. Presumably, this is no longer the case and men can insist on being placed in a female ward.
Her "Primark was amazing" somehow reminds me so strongly of the trans-identifying females' chorus "It wasn't my doctor's fault". It is such an Establishmentarian ideology.
I am so angry. I would really like to know which organisations are safe for women and which are not. I can then do business only with those that are safe. I am also very grateful to my mother who taught me when I was quite young how to avoid predatory men and stay safe. It means that I would never "be kind" to a man pretending to be a woman so that he can invade women's spaces. The abominable GRA needs to be repealed.
The 'queering' of feminism has been devastating. So 'inclusive' as to be meaningless. So 'diverse' that men are included in women's sanctuaries. Boundaries dissolved, so it's a free- for-all. A lot of young women's ability to think has been concussed by the onslaught of 'queer' cult speak and 'queer' cult thought -- in short, by the ubiquitous onslaught of 'queer' propaganda by institutions, schools, governments, media, NGOs, universities, think-tanks etc. She is a victim of the seemingly torrential approval of this nonsense by so many 'official' bodies.
It’s the concept of ‘inclusion’ that was/is the Trojan horse that has facilitated all this dangerous nonsense. Inclusion is all very well but not at the expense of common sense, public (in this case that of women and girls) safety and personal dignity.
I’m still amazed how easily safety issues were thrown out the window.
They got queered. Safety is transphobic.
Well as far as shops are concerned I’m assuming it’s a money oriented decision. Do you think they’ve all been infested with trans activists?
Both prob. More changing rooms in the same or less space maybe PLUS the HR Dept get to tick some Stonewall boxes
yep follow the money. Of course it's cheaper not to have lockable cubicles. It's Primark ffs.
I don't think that was necessary. Gender identity ideology politics has penetrated multiple areas of life. Government departments, corporations, the police and justice system, the health service, education system, media and entertainment -everything. It seems to have been achieved through relentless activism rather than a large number of activists. There are millions of men and a significant portion of them are just fine with this tyrranical, bullshit ideology that takes power away from women and gives it to them. Who cares about all the trans stuff? They don't. I doubt they'd pay it any attention at all if it didn't give them the opportunity to harass and shout abuse at women in public occasionally.
I prefer to believe those men are a minority. It’s too depressing to imagine them as anything larger than that.
Wicked
I remember Sophie Hagen on Guilty Feminist telling the audience that the loos would be gender neutral at all her gigs, and anyone who didn’t like it could “fuck off”. And the majority cheered. I just wonder how many were silently thinking ‘I’m not comfortable with it, I guess I’m not welcome?”
Can I remind the writer about where the whole idea of queer fits, it fits in ideas of sexualities and not of sexual biology or the human definition of two sexes. As long as we do not start with the two sexes, and the phallogocentric cultures we live in (which means that ideas and definitions are always filtered through the phallic mirror) we are blind about the male as norm of humanity, remember Mankind? Queer or Transgender are all continuing the male forms of Being Woman!
Liberal feminism my arse. It’s men thinking they can get away with anything in non single-sex spaces, whether or not they’re dressed as women. Primark and all you other facilitators hang your heads in shame.
Liberal Feminism also does not account for the fact that men who do not want to frighten women, or who would themselves be uncomfortable using mixed-sex changing rooms, are also self-excluding.
Presumably they would return when all the women have been driven away by the men who are perfectly happy to perv on women or are oblivious to the negative impact of their presence on women?
For that reason, it is going to have to be women who lead the fight against this; the long-term prospects for us are truly dire whereas for men who do not like the current situation, it will just be a temporary inconvenience.
"It was a unisex changing room which I'm really for and I love that because it makes everyone feel included..."
Yes, the operative word is "everyone," because it includes perverts. It makes perverts feel included, because they are. This is going to happen over and over, wherever changing rooms and toilets are open to everyone.
I feel very bad for that woman but what is so complicated about it? Open a safe environment up to include "everyone" and it's no longer a safe environment.
She’s the ideal age for predators because she’s still innocent.
It's now 'uni' in the sense now only one sex will use it because it facilitates male perverts.
I only wish there was some sort of solution. I think in the past there was such a thing as 'male' and 'female' changing rooms.
Didn't Aldous Huxley once never say: 'I have seen the past and it works'.
“I won’t be using the changing rooms again. I’d rather buy something, take it home to try on and return it if it doesn’t fit”.
Out of economic interest alone, the shops need to ensure that women can safely use their changing rooms.
Of course it’s also outrageous that they’ve allowed such a situation to arise in the first place. It must have been foreseeable that large mixed changing rooms with just a curtain for privacy (not a lockable door) and limited supervision would result in this sort of situation.
Both M&S's and Primark's customer bases are females. Economic insanity, you would think.
What people will do to avoid being called 'transphobe'.
Time to get 'back to basics'.
Pity John Major took no account of the vested interests in society who would go to war against that notion.
We wage war on woke or we're finished.
Agreed, Lord Ha Ha. This is an existential issue for all of us, not just women, but especially for women and girls, and children, too, who are being given no opportunity to work through their feelings. Homosexual men are also in the firing line.
Dr Debbie Hayton gave a glimpse into the autogynephilic mind recently when he hinted strongly that autogynephilic men view the 'womanly' part of themselves not as something to be admired, but something to be despised, subjugated and made submissive. Sorry, can't recall now where I read it, and I may be wrongly interpreting his words.
If I have understood it, that would suggest to me that autogynephilic men differ in no way from extreme misogynists who are unable to view females as fellow human beings, with feelings and thoughts and wants and needs of their own, but always as reflections of what some men want to make their lives functional, as they see it, an an entitlement or right.
If that is so, then this thing is even worse than we have imagined thus far. Ira Levin wrote the hideously misogynistic 'Stepford Wives', but this could be 'Stepford Wives' on stilts - which makes sense when you hear their demands of lesbians to view them as lesbians, too, when they are actually heterosexual men.
Most, if not all of ladies M&S’s fitting rooms are lockable cubicles, I used to have regular transvestites (as they were called then) as regular customers as the clothes were longer and the shoes available in larger sizes. We didn’t discriminate but then these men didn’t parade themselves in front of, or intimidate our female customers. I’m so glad I don’t have to worry about this anymore.
Poor youngsters today "glad of it being inclusive" she said!
Why were areas separated between men and women? people please ask your self why?
Primark need suing...say health and safety for a start!
Health and safety’s an interesting point, but the main legislation concerns duties to employees (customers are owed a duty of care in tort/negligence).
Nevertheless, the HSE says this about violence in retail sector: https://www.hse.gov.uk/retail/violence.htm
Although it’s directed at protecting employees (because the legislation concerns them), employees will be better protected from the possibility of violence if men aren’t walking in on women in the changing rooms hoping to find them undressed, giving rise to the possibility of violence or abuse when confronted. So there’s an indirect health and safety at work concern.
Not just primark
Are these pro-inclusion young women devoid of common sense, brain-washed or just a bit thick? Definitely the first two, possibly also the third as well….
All three , I just don’t get them at all
I’ve said before my dil works with a non binary who complains about her periods
That’s cos you’re a bloody woman ffs ( pardon the pun )
That's what cults do, they breakdown your natural defences, and you sing their praises while suffering from the abuse they enable.
If you go down to Primark today, you'd better not go alone... The conditioning of young women to put "inclusivity" ahead of their own safety is bloody appalling. Of course, this is why young women join the TRAs etc. against older feminists who centre womens needs rather than accommodating the needs of men - they have been conditioned that if they don't accept men in their spaces then they are unkind! FFS!
I seriously seriously don’t get how young women have been sucked into this utter shite
I have trouble too, but I think being shamed by peers, especially online, for not being seen to be "inclusive" and "kind" is at the centre of it.
I’m so glad I don’t do any sm
I’d be blocked in no time 😂
Ha ha! I took myself off Twitter! You'd be ok on Gettr but on the whole I do not think it has been a good thing for society.
Many young women are idealistic, and because they are YOUNG, they are naïve. They don’t have the life experience to imagine the lengths others can go to, intentionally, to satisfy themselves.
I agree. When I went to University we were put into campus accommodation the first year, in single rooms with single-sex blocks of showers, bathrooms and toilets. There were always queues for the women's showers and baths and never for the men's.
I think all of us women agreed that it would have been more sensible to have made them all mixed sex to cut the queues for us. This includes women who had been sexually assaulted, though not in showers/changing rooms/bathrooms/toilets.
We were just at that age where you are still not only naive but have a sense of invulnerability. It never occurred to us that it might have been for our own safety. I only realised that much later.
Absolutely, and there is also peer pressure to conform and the need to be liked as well which is so much stronger when you are young. Even those that may have a different view are shamed into silence or reap the consequences as we saw with that poor girl who was hounded out of school for her GC views. People are vicious online as well - it sounded like that poor girl in the video was covering her arse by saying she supported inclusivity as a good thing in case she got harassed online.
Disgraceful, poor young woman and those damaging woowoo tropes coming out of her mouth!! Let's hope this is another crack in the wall. ☹️🤬😡😠
Can only hope so , praising ‘inclusivity -is that a real word ?) then crying when she discovers what it actually means
Still feel sorry for her though
Poor girl. I suspect it will slowly dawn on her that she’s been lied to.
The sad thing is that this young lady has herself been sucked into this inclusivity myth (with its consequential assault on women and girls’ safe spaces). She describes how she is ‘for’ unisex changing rooms as it ‘promotes inclusivity’... She is obviously very upset at this terrible invasion of her privacy and says she will no longer go shopping on her own… Female disempowerment in action!
Inclusivity my eye - include the men at the expense of women and girls’ dignity & safety. The urinary leash scenario is back with a bang!! 😤😤😤
There are a lot of young women in for a nasty surprise.
Not only “unisex” changing rooms, but with just curtains - no door to latch. Gender woo has basically opened up free peep shows for males. It must be a paradise for pervs, especially pedos. I’m sure most of their sales are to women, both buying for themselves and their families, but even that doesn’t matter anymore?
Apparently Primark told this young woman it happened before to other women, so what will it take for captured companies to not do Stonewalls bidding, a woman or girl being raped? Because this is where we are heading.
Don't they do risk assessments? If it happened before then they're aware of an identified risk that they should have responded to. I suddenly feel compelled to approach the HSE for clarification.
I think that at least some of these big companies actually believe what Stonewall tells them about the law. They don't query it or check it with their own lawyers. This has been the Stonewall Diversity coup: tell a pack of legalistic lies and everyone rushes to believe you. Women, usually their customer base, say, this will happen if you do such and such, and they are ignored. It definitely comes down to women and girls being disregarded in a deep-rooted, psychological way that is very disturbing. Sue. Then they will know the real law, not the Stonewall law.
It's class-action time then. Assuming the judiciary isn't captured...
That’s exactly it, these companies think Stonewall law IS the law, plus they are very keen to get to the top of Stonewalls diversity champions league table for some reason.
I love BADGER's slogan:
"The fact society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman"
Coming to a store near you
Poor young woman
It's tragic and frightening to hear this poor young woman describe her traumatising experience. Even more so, as she still feels she has to defend a concept of the kind of inclusivity that lead to her being abused. This is going to happen over and again, because guess what? Predatory men will take advantage of the opportunity to be in women spaces. And I don't care if they behave themselves, allowing them to be there violates women.
This woman was able to leave the changing room and get away from the men in question, but not all women can do that. Women in prison, for instance. Or ill and vulnerable women on hospital wards. I'm aware of a psychiatric hospital that had mixed sex wards. About 10 years ago this policy was revised and the wards became single sex. This decision was taken because female patients were being physically and sexually assaulted and sexually intimidated by some of the male patients. Presumably, this is no longer the case and men can insist on being placed in a female ward.
Her "Primark was amazing" somehow reminds me so strongly of the trans-identifying females' chorus "It wasn't my doctor's fault". It is such an Establishmentarian ideology.
I am so angry. I would really like to know which organisations are safe for women and which are not. I can then do business only with those that are safe. I am also very grateful to my mother who taught me when I was quite young how to avoid predatory men and stay safe. It means that I would never "be kind" to a man pretending to be a woman so that he can invade women's spaces. The abominable GRA needs to be repealed.