One of the foundational pillars of any Green Party is Ecological Wisdom. I would assume this pillar is secured in the bedrock of the natural world. That same natural world that answers to natural law. One of those being the reality of binary sex. When a most necessary pillar has been toppled by gender ideology, it’s no wonder the Green’s future is precarious, strained and teetering into oblivion.
Too many mostly young women successfully conditioned to “BE KIND” when it means “shut it bitch, know your place”. They do not want to see this is just the latest iteration of the patriarchy.
Happy to contribute. He's at £9107 - well on target.
These clowns have no idea that Ali is ballot box gold as one of the few politicians who's not scared to say what the vast majority of people actually think, and he does it in a civil and measured way. But then what cult could handle anyone in their midst presenting them with facts?
And that we are women (and men and those trans identifying) happy to support a man, and refuse to be cowed by those women politicians - yes Stella and Caroline and Nicola that's you - who try to claim we are nasty and misandrist and/or misogynist and/or transphobic intolerant bigots and hatemongers depending on which way the wind is blowing. And men are only allowed to comment on this issue if they identify as women.
I see the Green Party Facebook page has switched back to the LGBTIWTF+++ "wedge" flag; disappointing but not unexpected. Wil hold off on resigning until after the conference.
Thanks for the alarm call. Just donated. Have been a Green (& former activist & local election candidate) since 1985 -- & was considering leaving the party, since finding its Women's Officer is now a trans-identified male. Whose first action was to delete 100 comments & close down a discussion forum. No dissenting opinons now allowed.
It's an outrage that Shahrar Ali has been persecuted for "gender critical" views & persistent defence of women's sex-based rights, to the extent of trying to eject him from office. Airing this poisonous issue in court seems like the best way to fight not just the capture of the Greens by a powerful minority voice, but as part of a general GC front against a powerful enemy.
Especially as Labour has been captured too: leaving me with no-one to vote for.
It needs to be remembered, in the words of Jennifer Bilek (the11thhourblog.com), that "The corporate colonisation of human sex (Gender Identity) is a global industry promoting itself as a human rights campaign. Human sexual dimorphism is being deconstructed across the world in law and language. This deconstruction is happening materially as well, with the sexual dismemberment of young people being celebrated in media and Hollywood".
This enemy is a global campaign funded by US $billionaires which has inserted itself into the UN definition of human rights (Yogyakarta -- with one UK lawyer now regretting having forgotten to think how it might impact women), and into politics, law, education, sports etc in 46 countries: using tactics spelt out in a report by international law firm Dentons, funded by Thompson Reuter foundation, one of the world's largest charities. Specifically, to nobble governments with detailed policy proposals before governments have started to consider the issue, and to keep it out of the media to prevent public fromnknowing what's happening, thus disabling protest. What has happened in the UK.
Fighting it through the courts is clearly necessary: with Maya Forstater having won her case, and Raquel Rosario Sanchez now also crowdfunding her case against Bristol University. Shahrir Ali's case is needed too.
And even then, will it ever reach the general public -- or ignorant, duped politicians alike -- that the central beneficiaries of the trans industry are autogynephiles, secretive sexual fetishists also into BDSM, pedophilia etc? AGPs form a majority (estimated at 75% by clinical psychologist Ray Blanchard) of crossdressers: some as predators being given licence to flaunt their identity as "women" in women's spaces.
When 99% of sex offenders are male, and 90% of victims are women, the fact that 50% of trans-identified male prisoners are convicted sex offenders cannot be stated too often re the need for women's protected spaces. Who benefits most from intrusion? AGPs. Yet most of the public has never heard of them: only ofnthat "human rights" mantra "trans women are women". Like hell they are.
All this needs to be heard in court.
Never mind the trans industry's teenage victims being prevented from growing up lesbian or gay (80%), or with their autism exploited (20-30%): instead being drugged and butchered for medical profits. With the court case of Keira Bell against the Tavistock's Gender Identity Service clinic, this at least has started to reach wider public consciousness.
The Green party of England & Wales was the world's first environmental party: which first called itself the People's party, then the Ecology party (when I joined), and soon after that, the Green party. One of its basic principles has always been equality of the sexes. We cannot allow this to be wrecked by a deeply misogynist patriarchal backlash against feminism, by the whole duplicitous, narcissistic, violently abusive and victim-blaming trans conspiracy.
Maybe the Green Party needs to disband and start again. I cannot get up any enthusiasm to go along and listen to their nonsense and try to swing the vote. Too much effort for little return. Much better to remain on the outside and "skelp their a***" when they get out of order.
Neither can I. I think I might try to speak to one of the women in the Green Party Feminists and get their advice. In the tent or outside the tent?
I tried a few times a few years back and the local greens then asked me to advise them on a few specific areas. I did anonymously, and as a non-partisan volunteer. Happy to. Then they realised they got no wider traction as they knew very little, weren't following the advice and were reliant on outside expertise, so wanted me to advise them some more. Then on who to approach to employ to do this full time as it was such good advice. Then it turns out they were paying another consultant or two for 'advice'. Then I was asked to advise them on how the local council (green and liberal democrat influences and control) could create yet another tax payer funded 'green mumble mumble' position who can...do what I do. And was doing for them already. Just for free. It was such a 'f**k you' that next time they came crawling I ignored them. These are not professional people. They do like having their photo taken though and 'fighting for the local blah'. And posters and leaflets. And creating new well-paid roles.
This is the rot at the heart of so many political parties. It's like a hobby. So that's lots of free expert advice, then asking me to help any patsy consultant to get a huge wage from doing 'local work'? Anything 'sustainable' seems to fall victim to this woo and greenwashing.
I was texted yet again by one recently who'd scraped my details and took it upon himself to text me asking to pick my brain on 'political activity'. He'd recognised my name from a general database (oh had he now) and now they bombard me daily with begging to help them and be a spokesperson if we have subject knowledge. They think I'm useful to them now.
One National Charity wheeze had funding pulled locally after wasting millions setting up 'green' and 'sustainable' projects and failing to achieve any outcomes year after year, implementing pointless schemes no one knew about, failing to engage with local voters, and not realising many of us do day jobs in these areas and could help them. We are the people they want advice on how to lobby. Someone else in central govt also spotted this and have turned off the free green money tap. We notice and we care about where we live and our communities.
If only they would bloody well listen the first four, fifteen or fifty times.
Know the feeling. My business is as a consultant on sensory loss, equality and human rights. So many politicians and orgs think I should give my knowledge away for nothing and refuse to understand my knowledge is my commodity and needs to be paid for. I totally changed my website for this reason... Pay up or get nowt!
The factional split would still exist. On one side they're dominated by student politics and every fashionable left wing agenda going, on they other are very traditional suburban middle class voters who as polling data shows more often than not are former Conservative voters.
Please just give £10 so that either (1) the case gets to Court of (2) the Green Party radicals understand that there is a lot of support for sensible voices in the sex/gender war. Giving money is giving support. Then you might get the kind of Green Party you want.
I don't want a Green Party. Have never voted for them and will ever vote for them. We need a "green" party that does ehat it says on the tin and that will only happen if they start again!
There is no guarantee that he wins... Depends on judge on the day! I think he is probably wasting his time and money chasing this, so I am not willing to donate. My choice!!
There are some excellent environmental activists who are in the 'Green' Party (e.g. Emma Bateman when she is not fighting off TRAs). However, many of them are unaware of how corrupt the party is.
Despite this activism, the 'Green' Party centrally (and often locally) is not supportive. Even with the CEE Bill, which was sponsored by the green MP, there was little support for it and many GP members were unaware of it. XR protested outside parliament and yet it was not mentioned on GP Facebook pages, emails etc. The 'Green' Party does not even have Climate Change as a campaign.
I am not, and never have been, a 'Green' Party member, but I do respect some people who are.
One of the things that baffles me in this whole thing (part 9 0r 10 .. fuck knows ) is how the Greens espouse global warming etc using peer reviewed science , then being the biggest and most viscous proponents of trans woo .
I'm an American so my knowledge is limited on this subject - What is so uniquely appealing about the Green Party that women are willing to withstand the constant insults to their sex? Why don't they all leave?
It is not just the 'Green' Party. Most of the political parties have similar policies except the Communist Party and a few minor right wing groups. It was the Conservative party that brought forward the idea of Self-ID and are now looking to introduce legislation on banning 'conversion therapy' which seems to be mainly aimed at stopping any questioning of gender identity - for those in the UK the consultation ends tomorrow.
The Conservatives have, however, backtracked on some of their support for the TRAs. However, this may be because they want to 'weaponize' it during future elections - the Greens, Labour and Lib-Dems have lots of skeletons in their closets on this one.
For a while, the Greens looked like being the best bet as a progressive, leftish (in spots) Party. Around the financial crash in 2009, they were the only party with an economic analysis of what went wrong & a credible green agenda for restructuring.
Labour happened to be in power at the time & crumpled under the suggestion they’d somehow caused a global banking crisis by spending too much on Sure Start; the Tories could not wait for a chance to cut taxes to the rich & benefits to the poor, and were still taking advice on climate change from a climate change denier.
This changed when Corbyn came along in Labour: leftwing, peacenik, grew his own veg, and with a very impressive Green New Deal on offer.
The then top Green Party ideologue published a think piece saying - in almost so many words - that there was no gap in the market on the left any more & they’d better drop it. Five years earlier he’d been addressing Occupy in Norwich on Fiat Money & a green economy. And gone!
This didn’t leave them much to get excited about. They were blindsided by Brexit (like everyone) & have always appealed to nice well-mannered people who think addressing the climate crisis means doing the recycling, and to wild-eyed righteous bros: the two demographics most likely to fall for TRA rhetoric (respectively “be kind“, & “punch a TERF”).
It’s a small party, too: they’re always vulnerable to takeover. They had a very consciously fair-minded policy for holding office: a man & a woman in each post... which was just jam for TRAs / MRAs once they twigged that you could get two blokes in each spot. They were vulnerable & a few very bad actors swooped in. I’m not convinced they’ve learned anything from the Chsllenor experience.
Quite a few women have left: some got hounded out, only a few seem to be listening.
One of the foundational pillars of any Green Party is Ecological Wisdom. I would assume this pillar is secured in the bedrock of the natural world. That same natural world that answers to natural law. One of those being the reality of binary sex. When a most necessary pillar has been toppled by gender ideology, it’s no wonder the Green’s future is precarious, strained and teetering into oblivion.
It's literally evolution denial. So much for science.
Too many mostly young women successfully conditioned to “BE KIND” when it means “shut it bitch, know your place”. They do not want to see this is just the latest iteration of the patriarchy.
Happy to contribute. He's at £9107 - well on target.
These clowns have no idea that Ali is ballot box gold as one of the few politicians who's not scared to say what the vast majority of people actually think, and he does it in a civil and measured way. But then what cult could handle anyone in their midst presenting them with facts?
And that we are women (and men and those trans identifying) happy to support a man, and refuse to be cowed by those women politicians - yes Stella and Caroline and Nicola that's you - who try to claim we are nasty and misandrist and/or misogynist and/or transphobic intolerant bigots and hatemongers depending on which way the wind is blowing. And men are only allowed to comment on this issue if they identify as women.
£9167 now :)
I have contributed to Shahrar Ali's crowdfunding appeal. It was a pleasure to do this. He is such a strong and sensible voice.
About 5 minutes ago he had already raised £8,900!
Donated.
I see the Green Party Facebook page has switched back to the LGBTIWTF+++ "wedge" flag; disappointing but not unexpected. Wil hold off on resigning until after the conference.
Thanks for the alarm call. Just donated. Have been a Green (& former activist & local election candidate) since 1985 -- & was considering leaving the party, since finding its Women's Officer is now a trans-identified male. Whose first action was to delete 100 comments & close down a discussion forum. No dissenting opinons now allowed.
It's an outrage that Shahrar Ali has been persecuted for "gender critical" views & persistent defence of women's sex-based rights, to the extent of trying to eject him from office. Airing this poisonous issue in court seems like the best way to fight not just the capture of the Greens by a powerful minority voice, but as part of a general GC front against a powerful enemy.
Especially as Labour has been captured too: leaving me with no-one to vote for.
It needs to be remembered, in the words of Jennifer Bilek (the11thhourblog.com), that "The corporate colonisation of human sex (Gender Identity) is a global industry promoting itself as a human rights campaign. Human sexual dimorphism is being deconstructed across the world in law and language. This deconstruction is happening materially as well, with the sexual dismemberment of young people being celebrated in media and Hollywood".
This enemy is a global campaign funded by US $billionaires which has inserted itself into the UN definition of human rights (Yogyakarta -- with one UK lawyer now regretting having forgotten to think how it might impact women), and into politics, law, education, sports etc in 46 countries: using tactics spelt out in a report by international law firm Dentons, funded by Thompson Reuter foundation, one of the world's largest charities. Specifically, to nobble governments with detailed policy proposals before governments have started to consider the issue, and to keep it out of the media to prevent public fromnknowing what's happening, thus disabling protest. What has happened in the UK.
Fighting it through the courts is clearly necessary: with Maya Forstater having won her case, and Raquel Rosario Sanchez now also crowdfunding her case against Bristol University. Shahrir Ali's case is needed too.
And even then, will it ever reach the general public -- or ignorant, duped politicians alike -- that the central beneficiaries of the trans industry are autogynephiles, secretive sexual fetishists also into BDSM, pedophilia etc? AGPs form a majority (estimated at 75% by clinical psychologist Ray Blanchard) of crossdressers: some as predators being given licence to flaunt their identity as "women" in women's spaces.
When 99% of sex offenders are male, and 90% of victims are women, the fact that 50% of trans-identified male prisoners are convicted sex offenders cannot be stated too often re the need for women's protected spaces. Who benefits most from intrusion? AGPs. Yet most of the public has never heard of them: only ofnthat "human rights" mantra "trans women are women". Like hell they are.
All this needs to be heard in court.
Never mind the trans industry's teenage victims being prevented from growing up lesbian or gay (80%), or with their autism exploited (20-30%): instead being drugged and butchered for medical profits. With the court case of Keira Bell against the Tavistock's Gender Identity Service clinic, this at least has started to reach wider public consciousness.
The Green party of England & Wales was the world's first environmental party: which first called itself the People's party, then the Ecology party (when I joined), and soon after that, the Green party. One of its basic principles has always been equality of the sexes. We cannot allow this to be wrecked by a deeply misogynist patriarchal backlash against feminism, by the whole duplicitous, narcissistic, violently abusive and victim-blaming trans conspiracy.
Maybe the Green Party needs to disband and start again. I cannot get up any enthusiasm to go along and listen to their nonsense and try to swing the vote. Too much effort for little return. Much better to remain on the outside and "skelp their a***" when they get out of order.
Neither can I. I think I might try to speak to one of the women in the Green Party Feminists and get their advice. In the tent or outside the tent?
I tried a few times a few years back and the local greens then asked me to advise them on a few specific areas. I did anonymously, and as a non-partisan volunteer. Happy to. Then they realised they got no wider traction as they knew very little, weren't following the advice and were reliant on outside expertise, so wanted me to advise them some more. Then on who to approach to employ to do this full time as it was such good advice. Then it turns out they were paying another consultant or two for 'advice'. Then I was asked to advise them on how the local council (green and liberal democrat influences and control) could create yet another tax payer funded 'green mumble mumble' position who can...do what I do. And was doing for them already. Just for free. It was such a 'f**k you' that next time they came crawling I ignored them. These are not professional people. They do like having their photo taken though and 'fighting for the local blah'. And posters and leaflets. And creating new well-paid roles.
This is the rot at the heart of so many political parties. It's like a hobby. So that's lots of free expert advice, then asking me to help any patsy consultant to get a huge wage from doing 'local work'? Anything 'sustainable' seems to fall victim to this woo and greenwashing.
I was texted yet again by one recently who'd scraped my details and took it upon himself to text me asking to pick my brain on 'political activity'. He'd recognised my name from a general database (oh had he now) and now they bombard me daily with begging to help them and be a spokesperson if we have subject knowledge. They think I'm useful to them now.
One National Charity wheeze had funding pulled locally after wasting millions setting up 'green' and 'sustainable' projects and failing to achieve any outcomes year after year, implementing pointless schemes no one knew about, failing to engage with local voters, and not realising many of us do day jobs in these areas and could help them. We are the people they want advice on how to lobby. Someone else in central govt also spotted this and have turned off the free green money tap. We notice and we care about where we live and our communities.
If only they would bloody well listen the first four, fifteen or fifty times.
Know the feeling. My business is as a consultant on sensory loss, equality and human rights. So many politicians and orgs think I should give my knowledge away for nothing and refuse to understand my knowledge is my commodity and needs to be paid for. I totally changed my website for this reason... Pay up or get nowt!
The factional split would still exist. On one side they're dominated by student politics and every fashionable left wing agenda going, on they other are very traditional suburban middle class voters who as polling data shows more often than not are former Conservative voters.
Please just give £10 so that either (1) the case gets to Court of (2) the Green Party radicals understand that there is a lot of support for sensible voices in the sex/gender war. Giving money is giving support. Then you might get the kind of Green Party you want.
I don't want a Green Party. Have never voted for them and will ever vote for them. We need a "green" party that does ehat it says on the tin and that will only happen if they start again!
There is no guarantee that he wins... Depends on judge on the day! I think he is probably wasting his time and money chasing this, so I am not willing to donate. My choice!!
No me neither - they will never be anywhere near power anyway and they have fucking ruined Brighton - i hope he kicks their arse but im out.
What happened to their environmental work? Do they do any?
There are some excellent environmental activists who are in the 'Green' Party (e.g. Emma Bateman when she is not fighting off TRAs). However, many of them are unaware of how corrupt the party is.
Despite this activism, the 'Green' Party centrally (and often locally) is not supportive. Even with the CEE Bill, which was sponsored by the green MP, there was little support for it and many GP members were unaware of it. XR protested outside parliament and yet it was not mentioned on GP Facebook pages, emails etc. The 'Green' Party does not even have Climate Change as a campaign.
I am not, and never have been, a 'Green' Party member, but I do respect some people who are.
Eye opener!
Nobody knows!
One of the things that baffles me in this whole thing (part 9 0r 10 .. fuck knows ) is how the Greens espouse global warming etc using peer reviewed science , then being the biggest and most viscous proponents of trans woo .
They're getting money from the billionaire drug/surgery pushers who would like to erase women altogether.
I mentioned the problem with pinned stories just the other day, and this is now the only story on the front page that isn't pinned!
Sort it out Graham!
Ha like the c.200 flagged red and pinned emails at the top of one of my inboxes ;-)
Pledged
To anyone looking to register for the conference, the deadline is February 25
I have pledged
I'm an American so my knowledge is limited on this subject - What is so uniquely appealing about the Green Party that women are willing to withstand the constant insults to their sex? Why don't they all leave?
It is not just the 'Green' Party. Most of the political parties have similar policies except the Communist Party and a few minor right wing groups. It was the Conservative party that brought forward the idea of Self-ID and are now looking to introduce legislation on banning 'conversion therapy' which seems to be mainly aimed at stopping any questioning of gender identity - for those in the UK the consultation ends tomorrow.
The Conservatives have, however, backtracked on some of their support for the TRAs. However, this may be because they want to 'weaponize' it during future elections - the Greens, Labour and Lib-Dems have lots of skeletons in their closets on this one.
For a while, the Greens looked like being the best bet as a progressive, leftish (in spots) Party. Around the financial crash in 2009, they were the only party with an economic analysis of what went wrong & a credible green agenda for restructuring.
Labour happened to be in power at the time & crumpled under the suggestion they’d somehow caused a global banking crisis by spending too much on Sure Start; the Tories could not wait for a chance to cut taxes to the rich & benefits to the poor, and were still taking advice on climate change from a climate change denier.
This changed when Corbyn came along in Labour: leftwing, peacenik, grew his own veg, and with a very impressive Green New Deal on offer.
The then top Green Party ideologue published a think piece saying - in almost so many words - that there was no gap in the market on the left any more & they’d better drop it. Five years earlier he’d been addressing Occupy in Norwich on Fiat Money & a green economy. And gone!
This didn’t leave them much to get excited about. They were blindsided by Brexit (like everyone) & have always appealed to nice well-mannered people who think addressing the climate crisis means doing the recycling, and to wild-eyed righteous bros: the two demographics most likely to fall for TRA rhetoric (respectively “be kind“, & “punch a TERF”).
It’s a small party, too: they’re always vulnerable to takeover. They had a very consciously fair-minded policy for holding office: a man & a woman in each post... which was just jam for TRAs / MRAs once they twigged that you could get two blokes in each spot. They were vulnerable & a few very bad actors swooped in. I’m not convinced they’ve learned anything from the Chsllenor experience.
Quite a few women have left: some got hounded out, only a few seem to be listening.
Emma has now been suspended (without any reason given) from the Green Party.