Talking about "the sex negativity of TERF rhetoric"... "dyke culture"... "lesbian joy"... You're a MAN, you entitled dickhead. Lesbians love WOMEN. This is not your place. These are not your words. Did your parents never teach you what the word "no" means?
I can't remember exactly how old I was, but I have known from when I was pre-school age that if the sign says LADIES, that means not me, no entry, I cannot go there. It wasn't hard to comprehend even when I was five. I don't recall ever questioning it, even in my mind. It wasn't negotiable. No exceptions. It's not difficult, it's not complicated.
It still blows my mind that people cannot see how blatantly misogynistic and backward this stupid movement is. We like to look back and scorn earlier societies for how unenlightened they supposedly were, but I don't recall studying a single period in history when people thought women could have a penis. Maybe I've missed it and someone could enlighten me?
"Fear of male bodies" - oh, I wonder why that would be? Anyone would think men had form in this area...
I also found this quite staggering and I've been reading Glinner's supplements for a while now and seen him report on lots of sh*tty behaviour. It really is spoilt brat syndrome / middle class disease, but also so scathing and entitled.
I live amongst these sort of people - their children are raised with few boundaries as they never hear the word "no". Their children are spoilt rotten (you should see the waste from the empty boxes at Christmas from the staggering amount of toys they are bought) and grow up entitled and priviliged. The parents let them stay up until they want to, pretty much do what they want to and complain about wasted food etc. when they cook each child what it wnats to eat every night. Everything these kids do is affirmed - we had some kids steal some small cones a disabled man had bought to stop parking in his disabled space - the parents all shamed this poor chap for complaining and then suggested the community should club together and buy these kids their own cones (for goal posts). The kids were not told off for taking things that did not belong to them. They were not made to return them (the man had to fetch them himself) and the parents thought it was appropriate to ask everyone else to buy their kids their own cones to stop the behaviour (stealing!). Is it any wonder these kids grow up thinking the world revolves around them and that their feelings are the most important thing in the world? The parents are awful, awful people.
It's terrible. As a society we seem to have lost all sense of responsibility, discipline and respect, these things have become dirty words. If there is no discipline or punishment for wrongdoing, no consequences, then children will grow up with no boundaries and no idea that taking things that don't belong to you is unacceptable. It's as if parents have just given up and taken the easy road.
Not surprising then that today's youth see nothing wrong in taking spaces reserved for women, they think they're entitled to them and they think they can change sex, because no one has ever told them no. It's like we put our children on a pedestal instead of actually raising them.
It's exactly this Jim. These middle class modern parents affirm literally everything their children do. If you don't like the noise their precious little darling is making then you should move (I literally got told this by the yummy mummies around me when I dared to complain about some children round here perpetually screaming for hours on end and I had a migraine). The children are treated like dieties and have the right to do anything they want to. I'll give you another example - some young teens sprayed graffitti all over someone's house wall. The parents offered to come round and clean it off - they didn't make the kids do it but instead defended them as being good lads who were just bored. They had been hanging around in a group causing damage to trees and intimidating people. Add gender idieology into this crap and it's the perfect storm. Kids need to be taught how to be kind and considerate adults and I do not see this happening when their every impulse is indulged.
Omigod, reminds me so much of an Al-Anon meeting where the women were talking about some boy who had blown up his parents' garage: "He's really a good boy." Huh?
And the twist to this brand of child-rearing is that these kids live in total insecurity. When no boundaries are set, when the world has no limits, it's actually very frightening to children. So my guess is that these same entitled brats are afraid of the world around them and only attack those they think can't fight back.
Oh that poor disabled man. No respect for others. When I try to explain child transition to my friend, she has a "well if that's how they feel" attitude towards it (she doesn't understand the grooming). I think the "give the child what they want" is what has pushed this whole transgender thing. It's becoming taboo to say no to a child, or hurt them with the reality of life. They never hear the word "no", not even when they want to do something as fantasy-based as change sex. In a world where anything is possible for them, anything goes, including the bullying of a disabled man :( p.s. whereabouts do you live, by the way? Do you think pockets of the country are worse?
Absolutley. They are literally told they can be what they want and do what they want to regardless of the impact on others. At the same time, children grow up with the concept that they shouldn't be offended or exposed to anything they might not like. Then add gender ideology... Kay E - I really don't want to say where I live other than it's a rural location in the UK, but I think it aligns with privilege and not location on the whole, though how much gender ideology is pandered to muts also have an affect.
was more trying to understand the demographic rather than the location actually. Sorry should've been clearer. Yeah I get you. More about privilege or even sense of their own privilege! My friend is quite working class and is woke and I think it's because she doesn't want to be seen as ignorant. Not being hard on her but oh the irony!
Yeah, plenty of working class are woke too (my roots are working class), but I think it's because they buy into the whole oppression spiel and right v left, because in the UK, labour are the left and they were traditionally the working mans political party. Sadly it's all become rather more skewed and the who divisive right v left agenda pushed in the media and which is prevalent in the US, is playing out here with either side seeing the other as the enemy rather than just people with a different political opinion. The rhetoric is that right are capitalist bigots (and rich) and the left are the more enlightened working-class person who wants to see more equality. Sadly, labour is full of champagne socialists with a woke agenda and anything the right say is dismissed as being capitalist rich scum. You can see it in the UK media. Of course this means that the working man or woman who is socialist either becomes woke or disenfranchised from the labour party. It is crazy.
I don't think they have ever been told no by any adult in their lives! That's why they hate "boomers" and middle aged women who tell them they can't pretend to be a lesbian with a penis.
Ooooh the boomers / middle aged thing makes even more sense now. I hadn't pieced that together so literally before. That's what it is! My mum is a boomer and my life has been a series of reality checks 😂😂😂 Now I can add ageism to my list of their growing crimes.
Sexist (the stereotypes of gender ideology)
Homophobic (trans away the gay, lesbians must date biological men)
Anti-women's safeguarding and anti religious (against single sex spaces for all women, of many diverse cultures)
Anti-therapy (affirmation-only)
Mysognist (taking photos of their penis out in formerly women only, now unisex loos)
Anti-free speech (I can speak and use whatever language I like, including call you "cis". You must be quiet and obey).
Ageist (hate that boomers / middle aged women are based in material reality and aren't afraid to speak the truth).
Yeah ,glad you said that. I'm a boomer ( 75 ) and some people blame my generation for this horror. and also some people seem to think these policies are being pushed by right wing politics rather than left !!
My mum is 75 too ❤️ How can they possibly argue you're to blame for this horror? That makes no sense. You're the core fighters against it! Also winds me up when they blame boomers for ruining the economy. It's all complete and utter rubbish and makes me furious. My parents busted their guts to provide for me and my sister and have set us up nicely. Boomers rule!!!!!
You might want to add hysterical or plain old racism to that list too. They appear to reguarly enjoy the delusion that trans women (men) are 'just like' black women as they're both 'types' of women and seen as 'other' to a 'standard white woman'. It tends to come out when they try to define what a woman is. It's utterly foul.
Wow, I've heard of this vaguely. Because black women were formerly 2nd class citizens/women (in the days of truly unacceptable racism) just like trans women supposedly are now? How disgusting to attribute this to the here and now. Utterly regressive but perfect to guilt people into not wanting to be on the wrong side of history. It reminds me a lot of BLM / CRT, inciting past injustice to subvert hierarchies and build a new, racist structure. No thanks. Peace and equality is where we want to get to.
I think we should unearth the great thinkers of the medieval times to give us a hand figuring out who is a man and who is a woman. What makes me so angry is these people who come on TV (shows like This Morning) and accuse GC experts of being out of date. "We believed that in the olden days". Oh, wait you mean, when things were DISCOVERED and PROVEN by scientists (who were real scientists), like our sexual dimorphism. Crazy times...
They know they're talking bullshit, they are trying to instill an anxiety in people of being behind the times, to the extent they and their beliefs and values are irrelevant. They are irrelevant. The more intelligent, thoughtful and manipulative side of gender identity ideology isnt the one getting the most attention. It's the useful idiots determined to make the internal, external, and have it recognised as such. Particularly those claiming NB status.
Essentially, everyone is non binary, we all have internal aspects that could be identified as both male and female in terms of the way we've culturally and socially created these attributes. Nevertheless, we don't generally hover between masculine and female biologically, including people are identified as having DSD. Body parts can be removed or modified, but nothing alters biological sex.
That doesn't mean that gender, or sex dysphoria doesn't exist. It's a very complex condition that is, as far as is known, primarily located in experience. Meaning that it can be treatable, and that does include the person living as the other sex if this is what gives them stability. Establishing that isn't a short process, but it's one that's largely been diminished and rejected. The psychological damage this will result in is massive. And that's aside from the consequences of societal and policy changes being enforced.
The people responsible for this are potentially doing as much harm as the psychiatric profession did when clinicians had free rein over their patients. When treatments really were trial and error, but it didn't matter enough because the people being treated were damaged anyway. Psychiatrists, psychologists and psychotherapists are being asked, or forced to go back to the bad old ways they now fully recognise as such.
At source, none of this is crazy, it's not a series of mistakes based on ignorance and delusion. It's manufactured, hugely assisted and intended to work the way it does, with lots of money available to keep it going. We are up against something extremely powerful and dynamic. It's going to take a long time for opponents of this to have enough against them to matter decisively.
As you say, this man is an 'entitled dickhead', his sense of entitlement is central to the kind of abuse happening. And worse, it's entitlement being met again and again. Misogyny comes far behind the feelings and comfort of men.
The arrogance is a good thing in a sense, because it's so massively different from the "oppressed" narrative. It has really wound me up. Hopefully it will wind up other people too!
I hope so, but in between the type who are falling over themselves to show support to these bullies, there are the others who seem to still believe this is nothing to do with them, it's someone else's issue. They want to 'live and let live', except the kind of men this refers to aren't interested in that. They don't care if living their lives the way they want harms women's lives, restricting our freedoms and compromising our safety.
And dyou know wot? Ladies - whether lesbian, het or bi - are quite able to meet up and swim without pouncing on each other! This bloke needs educating [pref by other blokes in the Men's Pond?]
Sod it - there’s no way I can make this and would dearly love to. Hope this event is a joined up endeavour with the Jewish womens group who are purportedly taking action against City of London on the grounds they can no longer use the pond…
This was reported in the JC in May 2019 so either they are still working on it or else they gave up. I am sure this group of women would be hugely supportive of the event on Saturday so if anyone knows how to get the word out…
Too late to publicise in JC this weekend cos of Sabbath but they would print pictures of the event in next week's JC if somebody send em I do not doubt.
Yes I dont believe in forced segregation in the service of a religion either. But if there is segregation into women's, mens and mixed based on identity rather than biology, then who friggin voted for this and why?
And isn't it telling that @pansy_dyke thinks the pond swimming is all about lesbian sex? Fetishist. Projection of his sick fantasies and his anger that validation is not coming his way.
This also, er, stood out to me. He is, first and foremost, there to perv on women. It's insane. Women who go to sex-segregated swimming opportunities are there specifically to avoid men perving on them. They're not there to pick up chicks. His twisted mind has made women who want avoid being his sex object into his special sex object. And he thinks it's oppression _of_him_ not to let him go perv on the women who most want him not to.
Men will be guessing and getting off about what women do when there aren't men around for the rest of history. He'll be hoping he'll trip over a dyke orgy so he can lecture them all about women's history and 'queer spaces'.
Oh boy, can just see the black pampers making fools of themselves again. Showing the public how very male they are (accompanied by a few weak weak handmaidens), and how much they hate women. Another public peaking event coming up.
Isn’t this exactly what the mixed section is for??? For everyone who consents to swimming with “all” (both) sexes? This is just antagonistic for the sake of getting a rise so they can shout “transphobe”. I genuinely think they love “transphobes”. They thrive on the opportunity to get loud and violent. Intrusive transwomen wouldn’t be special if they weren’t the underdog fighting bigots for their rights (as they see it). Not to imply that we should remain silent but the sick reality is I think they enjoy it.
All the deluded, pathetically placed air quotes in the world won't make @pansy_dyke's 'male' body NOT a MALE body. All the female hormones in the world, 'breast' implants, makeup, sassy haircuts, tight tops, head tilting, blonde streaks, dangly earrings, 'neovaginas', fantasies, nothing nothing nothing will ever stop this MAN from being a MAN.
Everything this priviliged little dick says smacks of entitledment and wanton disregard for others. Dyke culture? Seriously? If he knew anything about lesbians and their culture he would know men are not part of it!
I'm going to tell my friend about this, as I think this really shows the mysogny of the movement.
I've known men who have thought it unfair for there to be a ladies' swim night at a leisure centre and I understand their frustration to an extent. BUT they also realise in terms of privacy, dignity and safety, being a man makes them less vulnerable than women. They get it, and I'm grateful for that.
What's more, this is tradition!
Also, you could absolutely argue that because places like leisure centre swimming pools are unisex MOST OF THE LIVE LONG DAY, it's hard for Jewish women perhaps to have a single-sex space to swim? Who else could I argue are now excluded because of this male-instigated self-ID?
I'm going to highlight the mysogny to my friend.
There's a Men's Pond, right!?
How does this affect the right for other cultures to have a single sex place to swim?
Yes, they will. If this policy remains, then is Camden council going to allocate a space for Muslim and orthodox Jewish women to swim in? I doubt it, but even if they did, it would just add to division, and division among women is to be avoided as much as possible. I hope that eventually the young women incapacitated and degraded by their internalised misogyny will wake up and see what is being done to them and to all women.
There's a mixed pond for the mixed sex/gender. Why is it that's just not enough for them? Why do they have to be such arseholes? What do they get out of spoiling women's joy of having something to themselves? So juvenile. Just because you see yourself as a women doesn't oblige everyone else in every situation to see the same. It's just not a human right. Sorry boys. Learn to live with it.
I believe that we Who believe in the science of Male and Female are now in a similar place to the Jews around 1920ish in Germany. What they surely must have felt like then...incredulity at the increasing hatred toward them for no reason. I can imagine it...the shopkeepers who had served their communities for generations...they must have been thinking...”surely not? I am law abiding citizen who serves my community....surely they won’t all join this evil bandwagon? “ And then the bricks came through their shop windows...and we all know what happened next. I am starting to feel that we have something similar. Because I keep thinking Surely this will end soon. Queer ‘theory’ has no scientific basis. This originated from paedophilic men. It withstands no scrutiny or even the most basic logical argument....and yet. And take note. Many people are using the term “Minor Attracted” now. This is gaining support too. When a London Council decides to become self-I’d centred....well, that’s the time to rise up and take to the streets. I can’t be there, but I am certainly there in spirit.
So much hatred towards women just leaves me speechless. Can't believe all this is happening in so called " civilized" societies.This world is no longer a fit place for women and children to live in, if it ever was. Without women ,the human race won't survive. The people pushing this are the most evil people we've ever heard of . God help us.
Human beings have fallen under so many idiotic let alone harmful delusions before [and come to their senses again eventually] in the so-called 'modern age' - so why not now in the so-called 'post-modern age'? [or issit post post-mod age now?]
I was referring to the 19th century book .... which has all sorts of human delusions/social contagions featured - from the 'dancing virus' to the sexually exploitative 'mesmerism' - it was actually that book from which Douglas Murray got his title Madness of Crowds [which he acknowledges in his preface/intro as I recall]. But yes, agreed - would recommend DM's contemporary version!
The fact the City of London control Hampstead Heath is a bit of a bugbear of mine. The reason dates back to the abolition of the GLC in the 80's, since which almost all of London's major green spaces are either controlled by unaccountable groups on behalf of the crown or unaccountable groups on behalf of the CoL (which is the weird bit in the centre with a medieval constitution and very few residents).
For 99% of Londoners, Edward Lord is completely unaccountable for his decisions.
I think my patience is not what it used to be.
Talking about "the sex negativity of TERF rhetoric"... "dyke culture"... "lesbian joy"... You're a MAN, you entitled dickhead. Lesbians love WOMEN. This is not your place. These are not your words. Did your parents never teach you what the word "no" means?
I can't remember exactly how old I was, but I have known from when I was pre-school age that if the sign says LADIES, that means not me, no entry, I cannot go there. It wasn't hard to comprehend even when I was five. I don't recall ever questioning it, even in my mind. It wasn't negotiable. No exceptions. It's not difficult, it's not complicated.
It still blows my mind that people cannot see how blatantly misogynistic and backward this stupid movement is. We like to look back and scorn earlier societies for how unenlightened they supposedly were, but I don't recall studying a single period in history when people thought women could have a penis. Maybe I've missed it and someone could enlighten me?
"Fear of male bodies" - oh, I wonder why that would be? Anyone would think men had form in this area...
I also found this quite staggering and I've been reading Glinner's supplements for a while now and seen him report on lots of sh*tty behaviour. It really is spoilt brat syndrome / middle class disease, but also so scathing and entitled.
His voice would 'give himself away'. So he knows he's not a woman and shouldn't be there.
Exactly!
I live amongst these sort of people - their children are raised with few boundaries as they never hear the word "no". Their children are spoilt rotten (you should see the waste from the empty boxes at Christmas from the staggering amount of toys they are bought) and grow up entitled and priviliged. The parents let them stay up until they want to, pretty much do what they want to and complain about wasted food etc. when they cook each child what it wnats to eat every night. Everything these kids do is affirmed - we had some kids steal some small cones a disabled man had bought to stop parking in his disabled space - the parents all shamed this poor chap for complaining and then suggested the community should club together and buy these kids their own cones (for goal posts). The kids were not told off for taking things that did not belong to them. They were not made to return them (the man had to fetch them himself) and the parents thought it was appropriate to ask everyone else to buy their kids their own cones to stop the behaviour (stealing!). Is it any wonder these kids grow up thinking the world revolves around them and that their feelings are the most important thing in the world? The parents are awful, awful people.
It's terrible. As a society we seem to have lost all sense of responsibility, discipline and respect, these things have become dirty words. If there is no discipline or punishment for wrongdoing, no consequences, then children will grow up with no boundaries and no idea that taking things that don't belong to you is unacceptable. It's as if parents have just given up and taken the easy road.
Not surprising then that today's youth see nothing wrong in taking spaces reserved for women, they think they're entitled to them and they think they can change sex, because no one has ever told them no. It's like we put our children on a pedestal instead of actually raising them.
It's exactly this Jim. These middle class modern parents affirm literally everything their children do. If you don't like the noise their precious little darling is making then you should move (I literally got told this by the yummy mummies around me when I dared to complain about some children round here perpetually screaming for hours on end and I had a migraine). The children are treated like dieties and have the right to do anything they want to. I'll give you another example - some young teens sprayed graffitti all over someone's house wall. The parents offered to come round and clean it off - they didn't make the kids do it but instead defended them as being good lads who were just bored. They had been hanging around in a group causing damage to trees and intimidating people. Add gender idieology into this crap and it's the perfect storm. Kids need to be taught how to be kind and considerate adults and I do not see this happening when their every impulse is indulged.
Omigod, reminds me so much of an Al-Anon meeting where the women were talking about some boy who had blown up his parents' garage: "He's really a good boy." Huh?
Aren't they always to these people who won't admit to any wrong on their part?
And the twist to this brand of child-rearing is that these kids live in total insecurity. When no boundaries are set, when the world has no limits, it's actually very frightening to children. So my guess is that these same entitled brats are afraid of the world around them and only attack those they think can't fight back.
Oh that poor disabled man. No respect for others. When I try to explain child transition to my friend, she has a "well if that's how they feel" attitude towards it (she doesn't understand the grooming). I think the "give the child what they want" is what has pushed this whole transgender thing. It's becoming taboo to say no to a child, or hurt them with the reality of life. They never hear the word "no", not even when they want to do something as fantasy-based as change sex. In a world where anything is possible for them, anything goes, including the bullying of a disabled man :( p.s. whereabouts do you live, by the way? Do you think pockets of the country are worse?
Absolutley. They are literally told they can be what they want and do what they want to regardless of the impact on others. At the same time, children grow up with the concept that they shouldn't be offended or exposed to anything they might not like. Then add gender ideology... Kay E - I really don't want to say where I live other than it's a rural location in the UK, but I think it aligns with privilege and not location on the whole, though how much gender ideology is pandered to muts also have an affect.
Crazy isn't it!? Oh I didn't mean specifically,
was more trying to understand the demographic rather than the location actually. Sorry should've been clearer. Yeah I get you. More about privilege or even sense of their own privilege! My friend is quite working class and is woke and I think it's because she doesn't want to be seen as ignorant. Not being hard on her but oh the irony!
Yeah, plenty of working class are woke too (my roots are working class), but I think it's because they buy into the whole oppression spiel and right v left, because in the UK, labour are the left and they were traditionally the working mans political party. Sadly it's all become rather more skewed and the who divisive right v left agenda pushed in the media and which is prevalent in the US, is playing out here with either side seeing the other as the enemy rather than just people with a different political opinion. The rhetoric is that right are capitalist bigots (and rich) and the left are the more enlightened working-class person who wants to see more equality. Sadly, labour is full of champagne socialists with a woke agenda and anything the right say is dismissed as being capitalist rich scum. You can see it in the UK media. Of course this means that the working man or woman who is socialist either becomes woke or disenfranchised from the labour party. It is crazy.
I don't think they have ever been told no by any adult in their lives! That's why they hate "boomers" and middle aged women who tell them they can't pretend to be a lesbian with a penis.
Ooooh the boomers / middle aged thing makes even more sense now. I hadn't pieced that together so literally before. That's what it is! My mum is a boomer and my life has been a series of reality checks 😂😂😂 Now I can add ageism to my list of their growing crimes.
Sexist (the stereotypes of gender ideology)
Homophobic (trans away the gay, lesbians must date biological men)
Anti-women's safeguarding and anti religious (against single sex spaces for all women, of many diverse cultures)
Anti-therapy (affirmation-only)
Mysognist (taking photos of their penis out in formerly women only, now unisex loos)
Anti-free speech (I can speak and use whatever language I like, including call you "cis". You must be quiet and obey).
Ageist (hate that boomers / middle aged women are based in material reality and aren't afraid to speak the truth).
What did I miss?
Yeah ,glad you said that. I'm a boomer ( 75 ) and some people blame my generation for this horror. and also some people seem to think these policies are being pushed by right wing politics rather than left !!
My mum is 75 too ❤️ How can they possibly argue you're to blame for this horror? That makes no sense. You're the core fighters against it! Also winds me up when they blame boomers for ruining the economy. It's all complete and utter rubbish and makes me furious. My parents busted their guts to provide for me and my sister and have set us up nicely. Boomers rule!!!!!
You might want to add hysterical or plain old racism to that list too. They appear to reguarly enjoy the delusion that trans women (men) are 'just like' black women as they're both 'types' of women and seen as 'other' to a 'standard white woman'. It tends to come out when they try to define what a woman is. It's utterly foul.
Wow, I've heard of this vaguely. Because black women were formerly 2nd class citizens/women (in the days of truly unacceptable racism) just like trans women supposedly are now? How disgusting to attribute this to the here and now. Utterly regressive but perfect to guilt people into not wanting to be on the wrong side of history. It reminds me a lot of BLM / CRT, inciting past injustice to subvert hierarchies and build a new, racist structure. No thanks. Peace and equality is where we want to get to.
Ethnocentric (indigenous peoples nobly allowed any body to bear children until Europeans invented the gender binary and colonized them)
I think we should unearth the great thinkers of the medieval times to give us a hand figuring out who is a man and who is a woman. What makes me so angry is these people who come on TV (shows like This Morning) and accuse GC experts of being out of date. "We believed that in the olden days". Oh, wait you mean, when things were DISCOVERED and PROVEN by scientists (who were real scientists), like our sexual dimorphism. Crazy times...
They know they're talking bullshit, they are trying to instill an anxiety in people of being behind the times, to the extent they and their beliefs and values are irrelevant. They are irrelevant. The more intelligent, thoughtful and manipulative side of gender identity ideology isnt the one getting the most attention. It's the useful idiots determined to make the internal, external, and have it recognised as such. Particularly those claiming NB status.
Essentially, everyone is non binary, we all have internal aspects that could be identified as both male and female in terms of the way we've culturally and socially created these attributes. Nevertheless, we don't generally hover between masculine and female biologically, including people are identified as having DSD. Body parts can be removed or modified, but nothing alters biological sex.
That doesn't mean that gender, or sex dysphoria doesn't exist. It's a very complex condition that is, as far as is known, primarily located in experience. Meaning that it can be treatable, and that does include the person living as the other sex if this is what gives them stability. Establishing that isn't a short process, but it's one that's largely been diminished and rejected. The psychological damage this will result in is massive. And that's aside from the consequences of societal and policy changes being enforced.
The people responsible for this are potentially doing as much harm as the psychiatric profession did when clinicians had free rein over their patients. When treatments really were trial and error, but it didn't matter enough because the people being treated were damaged anyway. Psychiatrists, psychologists and psychotherapists are being asked, or forced to go back to the bad old ways they now fully recognise as such.
At source, none of this is crazy, it's not a series of mistakes based on ignorance and delusion. It's manufactured, hugely assisted and intended to work the way it does, with lots of money available to keep it going. We are up against something extremely powerful and dynamic. It's going to take a long time for opponents of this to have enough against them to matter decisively.
As you say, this man is an 'entitled dickhead', his sense of entitlement is central to the kind of abuse happening. And worse, it's entitlement being met again and again. Misogyny comes far behind the feelings and comfort of men.
The arrogance is a good thing in a sense, because it's so massively different from the "oppressed" narrative. It has really wound me up. Hopefully it will wind up other people too!
I hope so, but in between the type who are falling over themselves to show support to these bullies, there are the others who seem to still believe this is nothing to do with them, it's someone else's issue. They want to 'live and let live', except the kind of men this refers to aren't interested in that. They don't care if living their lives the way they want harms women's lives, restricting our freedoms and compromising our safety.
And dyou know wot? Ladies - whether lesbian, het or bi - are quite able to meet up and swim without pouncing on each other! This bloke needs educating [pref by other blokes in the Men's Pond?]
Sod it - there’s no way I can make this and would dearly love to. Hope this event is a joined up endeavour with the Jewish womens group who are purportedly taking action against City of London on the grounds they can no longer use the pond…
Jewish women taking action against City of London!? I hope so, right behind them!
This was reported in the JC in May 2019 so either they are still working on it or else they gave up. I am sure this group of women would be hugely supportive of the event on Saturday so if anyone knows how to get the word out…
Thank you for this!!! I'll look it up ☺️
Too late to publicise in JC this weekend cos of Sabbath but they would print pictures of the event in next week's JC if somebody send em I do not doubt.
Me too!
Yes I dont believe in forced segregation in the service of a religion either. But if there is segregation into women's, mens and mixed based on identity rather than biology, then who friggin voted for this and why?
And isn't it telling that @pansy_dyke thinks the pond swimming is all about lesbian sex? Fetishist. Projection of his sick fantasies and his anger that validation is not coming his way.
This also, er, stood out to me. He is, first and foremost, there to perv on women. It's insane. Women who go to sex-segregated swimming opportunities are there specifically to avoid men perving on them. They're not there to pick up chicks. His twisted mind has made women who want avoid being his sex object into his special sex object. And he thinks it's oppression _of_him_ not to let him go perv on the women who most want him not to.
well said!
Men will be guessing and getting off about what women do when there aren't men around for the rest of history. He'll be hoping he'll trip over a dyke orgy so he can lecture them all about women's history and 'queer spaces'.
PANSY DYKE ... gets his name in the paper for a larf? How to ignore and enforce reasonable boundaries - aye there's the rub n all that.
Count me in.
Oh boy, can just see the black pampers making fools of themselves again. Showing the public how very male they are (accompanied by a few weak weak handmaidens), and how much they hate women. Another public peaking event coming up.
Isn’t this exactly what the mixed section is for??? For everyone who consents to swimming with “all” (both) sexes? This is just antagonistic for the sake of getting a rise so they can shout “transphobe”. I genuinely think they love “transphobes”. They thrive on the opportunity to get loud and violent. Intrusive transwomen wouldn’t be special if they weren’t the underdog fighting bigots for their rights (as they see it). Not to imply that we should remain silent but the sick reality is I think they enjoy it.
People, you're going to be 'amazed' at this, but Ed Lord's 'queer hero' is paeodphile advocate Ken Plummer
https://web.archive.org/web/20180901144024/https:/twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922
Connecting the dots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWBY5tfC5Q&t=152s
omg. We need to demolish this for next week's JC
All the deluded, pathetically placed air quotes in the world won't make @pansy_dyke's 'male' body NOT a MALE body. All the female hormones in the world, 'breast' implants, makeup, sassy haircuts, tight tops, head tilting, blonde streaks, dangly earrings, 'neovaginas', fantasies, nothing nothing nothing will ever stop this MAN from being a MAN.
Everything this priviliged little dick says smacks of entitledment and wanton disregard for others. Dyke culture? Seriously? If he knew anything about lesbians and their culture he would know men are not part of it!
I'm going to tell my friend about this, as I think this really shows the mysogny of the movement.
I've known men who have thought it unfair for there to be a ladies' swim night at a leisure centre and I understand their frustration to an extent. BUT they also realise in terms of privacy, dignity and safety, being a man makes them less vulnerable than women. They get it, and I'm grateful for that.
What's more, this is tradition!
Also, you could absolutely argue that because places like leisure centre swimming pools are unisex MOST OF THE LIVE LONG DAY, it's hard for Jewish women perhaps to have a single-sex space to swim? Who else could I argue are now excluded because of this male-instigated self-ID?
I'm going to highlight the mysogny to my friend.
There's a Men's Pond, right!?
How does this affect the right for other cultures to have a single sex place to swim?
Thanks!!
Muslim women will also be excluded if men use this ladies pond
Yes, they will. If this policy remains, then is Camden council going to allocate a space for Muslim and orthodox Jewish women to swim in? I doubt it, but even if they did, it would just add to division, and division among women is to be avoided as much as possible. I hope that eventually the young women incapacitated and degraded by their internalised misogyny will wake up and see what is being done to them and to all women.
Yes exactly. We could all argue that is "anti-integration" if an entirely separate space was suggested solely for religious women.
I'm not religious but I think there is a difference between women and men and dont want men who think they are lesbians in my pool given the choice.
Honestly this is embarrassing. But that silly entitled little boy seems to feel no shame. That's really what blows my mind.
Let’s hope if Pansey shows up this time he will be too scared to speak loudly! I doubt it, but let’s hope!
He wants to speak but also wants to silence women and take their stuff? Could it be that you're a hypocrite, pansy_dyke? 😂
There's a mixed pond for the mixed sex/gender. Why is it that's just not enough for them? Why do they have to be such arseholes? What do they get out of spoiling women's joy of having something to themselves? So juvenile. Just because you see yourself as a women doesn't oblige everyone else in every situation to see the same. It's just not a human right. Sorry boys. Learn to live with it.
I believe that we Who believe in the science of Male and Female are now in a similar place to the Jews around 1920ish in Germany. What they surely must have felt like then...incredulity at the increasing hatred toward them for no reason. I can imagine it...the shopkeepers who had served their communities for generations...they must have been thinking...”surely not? I am law abiding citizen who serves my community....surely they won’t all join this evil bandwagon? “ And then the bricks came through their shop windows...and we all know what happened next. I am starting to feel that we have something similar. Because I keep thinking Surely this will end soon. Queer ‘theory’ has no scientific basis. This originated from paedophilic men. It withstands no scrutiny or even the most basic logical argument....and yet. And take note. Many people are using the term “Minor Attracted” now. This is gaining support too. When a London Council decides to become self-I’d centred....well, that’s the time to rise up and take to the streets. I can’t be there, but I am certainly there in spirit.
So much hatred towards women just leaves me speechless. Can't believe all this is happening in so called " civilized" societies.This world is no longer a fit place for women and children to live in, if it ever was. Without women ,the human race won't survive. The people pushing this are the most evil people we've ever heard of . God help us.
We need a modern day Aristophanes to write a Lysistrata for now. The need for women to stop male stupidity seems very old.
Read the original book by Charles Mackay - Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds [available free on kindle] ....first pub 1841 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds
Human beings have fallen under so many idiotic let alone harmful delusions before [and come to their senses again eventually] in the so-called 'modern age' - so why not now in the so-called 'post-modern age'? [or issit post post-mod age now?]
Yeah , I've read the Madness of Crowds. Getting the War on the West next. He's an excellent writer and I love listening to him ,too.
I was referring to the 19th century book .... which has all sorts of human delusions/social contagions featured - from the 'dancing virus' to the sexually exploitative 'mesmerism' - it was actually that book from which Douglas Murray got his title Madness of Crowds [which he acknowledges in his preface/intro as I recall]. But yes, agreed - would recommend DM's contemporary version!
The fact the City of London control Hampstead Heath is a bit of a bugbear of mine. The reason dates back to the abolition of the GLC in the 80's, since which almost all of London's major green spaces are either controlled by unaccountable groups on behalf of the crown or unaccountable groups on behalf of the CoL (which is the weird bit in the centre with a medieval constitution and very few residents).
For 99% of Londoners, Edward Lord is completely unaccountable for his decisions.