Rogan is holding the important conversations Stop calling him right-wing and start listening to his show. Twitter is now banning neuroscientists Been thinking a lot about this aspect Demanding, privileged middle-class kids combined with adults desperate to be their mates instead of their parents—I have a feeling that’s behind a lot of this shite.
This conversation took place last summer between two teenage girls sitting in the back seat of a car (being driven by the father of one of them). I know about this conversation, because the father and the daughter are very close to me, and the father told this story.
The two girls were discussing “identity”, one of them saying she thought she was “trans”. Then she backtracked a little, saying no, maybe she was just “non-binary”, but was worried about that choice. “But, I can’t be “non-binary” can I, because you already chose that, right?” she anxiously asked her friend.
A very telling conversation indeed. This is what’s happening to our kids. It’s a social contagion, a need to fit it, a social movement without any foundation.
The father, listening to this nonsense, told them all about “identity”. “Identity” is getting up in the morning, doing your best, going to work, putting food on the table and a roof over your head, taking care of your children — that’s “identity”. His words seemed to sink in, especially with his daughter. Would there were more fathers like this.
I'm looking forward to reading the Unherd article but I'd just assumed those advising Grace Lavery to pull out of the debate, don't exist. More likely that Lavery realised Helen Joyce would wipe the floor with him and that was his attempt at a dignified exit - but maybe not.
Even Nancy Kelley was forced to admit that "No Debate With Hate" no longer worked. Which is unfortunate for her, going by the gibbering debacle she honked out on Women's Hour.
You know how old wives tales are often based on some truth? I keep thinking about 'children should be seen and not heard'. I think the last couple of generations of parents have tried to compensate for what they saw as reasonably tough love as children, and have overcompensated. You give your child too much of a voice and they run with it. They are not the centre of the universe. I see it as my duty to shower my children with love (comes easily that part) but also to put them in their place, and take the piss out of them. At their private school in London the level of spoiltness (is that a word) beggars belief, all these mums running around trying to fix everything for their children. They are failing at preparing their children for life. A family friend over half term - the 18 year old used the word violated to describe the bad feeling she had when her sister cooked her breakfast. Its a nutty situation to feel hurt by someone being kind, and then that word - I would have sent her out of the room and dressed her down harshley for ever using language like that about something petty.
Hold the line :-). We are witnessing the culmination of an eight year unfolding war in Europe and some privileged nitwit muppets think someone cooking them breakfast means they're violated? Give me ****ing strength!
Yes, you are right Graham about the issue of parents and their grown children, including millennial-aged children in their 30s stepping into powerful jobs, especially in the US. It is one of the most intense and difficult barriers I came across early in my attempts to communicate with my left-leaning friends who have left-leaning offspring. The kids shout them down and call them old and out of touch and transphobic. They cite their crap statistics and crap articles, which unfortunately have apparent weight because they are put out by authoritative and captured institutional bodies. And the kids aren't even necessarily "trans," or "queer," but they are social justice warriors of the successor ideology. They may be even worse because they have to prove their allyship credentials, especially if they are white and (god forbid!!) "sis". Here in the US, there is another dynamic: many people my age watched their own parents go down a Fox news rabbit hole full of misinformation. So it is horrible to them to imagine their kids seeing them in that light. I don't know if it's so much that they want to be "mates" with their kids, as that they want to be sure they have a relationship at all. The issue is that explosive and that toxic. Sadly, I am seeing that it is even worse with the female 3rd wave feminist kids, who are obsessed with being anti-TERF. I have compassion for my friends' dilemma and am glad I don't have kids. But this is no excuse for electeds.
We didn't have to wait until now to see this happening with parents and children. My father-in-law had children so he would have an audience, not to actually raise his children with both protection and preparation. I have seen many people my age and younger than I am cater to their children as though they were walking on eggshells (isn't that a sign of abuse?). Kids have no respect for adults who don't set limits, who seemingly have no boundaries.
Graham, if you must use class terminology, please don't tar all middle class parents with the same brush. Many of us are appalled, distraught and devastated by the capture of our kids by this nightmare ideology and the harm they are doing to themselves. Could I suggest you have a look at the Parents with Inconvenient Truth about Trans (PITT) website https://pitt.substack.com/
for some testimonies? We already blame ourselves constantly for what we didn't know and didn't do to avert this tragedy and, frankly, we could do with some compassion, not brickbats. Also, I am not so sure other kids are escaping scot free? Harmful gender stereotypes and pressures to adopt them are also in evidence, just expressed in different ways. There is a huge fashion for "Russian doll lips", breast enhancement, Botox and fillers not to mention labial surgery among young women, i.e. looking like a sex doll, and steroid enhanced, pumped up muscles and tattooing among young males. Same body hatred/dissatisfaction, just different ways of attempting to alleviate it, according to your tribe?
Obituaries: The Gray Lady of New York has died of a TransFungal necrotic infection. The once Great Lady was for over 150 year the most trusted source in news the world over, but at the dawn of a new century she descended into the tragic debauchery of intersectional TransHeroin addiction and never recovered. The Gray Lady had been in a Trans-induced coma for months when she succumbed to Death on the TransSword. In liu of flowers, send TransHeroin deliveries to the Gray Lady's Intersectional Social Justice Warriors (formerly known as "news reporters").
Aw, is it sad for the schrodinger female that the facts don't care about your feelings on this side or the debate either? (just following your own rules here, btw, don't get mad again. You've just yet to prove that you are a female by your own standards...you really should set a better example for all your devotees)
another point of view!
It's time he PAIS the piper | ft. Dalea Rundblad, James Linehan, and Exulansic
He and Graham shared giggles about Ru's men who live grotesques of womanface (they would of course never put it THAT truthy-terfy way!) and a massive crying fit that had been indulged, and when Ru twice declared these men 'girls' we shouted at the telly.
Then Ru mimed a Charades line he'd picked, culminating in repeated wanking gestures until the audience had to guess 'jizz'.
I started listening to his show in direct response to all the crap people have been saying about it. He's clearly not any of the things they say he is. Although, I personally think his podcast is shit, it's not for any of those reasons!
'Demanding, privileged middle-class kids combined with adults desperate to be their mates instead of their parents—I have a feeling that’s behind a lot of this shite.' Graham, I agree. Adolescents need to rebel and push boundaries, as one way to find out who they are. But they also need adults who will give them kind, firm boundaries to push against, it is actually frightening for adolescents when all their demands are given in to, as it makes them feel they are in charge and there is no-one to keep them safe. There are lots of scared parents, lacking in confidence, and if they turn to support from a group like Mermaids, they can find an identity as 'advocates' for their children instead of parents.
This conversation took place last summer between two teenage girls sitting in the back seat of a car (being driven by the father of one of them). I know about this conversation, because the father and the daughter are very close to me, and the father told this story.
The two girls were discussing “identity”, one of them saying she thought she was “trans”. Then she backtracked a little, saying no, maybe she was just “non-binary”, but was worried about that choice. “But, I can’t be “non-binary” can I, because you already chose that, right?” she anxiously asked her friend.
A very telling conversation indeed. This is what’s happening to our kids. It’s a social contagion, a need to fit it, a social movement without any foundation.
The father, listening to this nonsense, told them all about “identity”. “Identity” is getting up in the morning, doing your best, going to work, putting food on the table and a roof over your head, taking care of your children — that’s “identity”. His words seemed to sink in, especially with his daughter. Would there were more fathers like this.
I think 'Social Contagion' (generally speaking) is a perfect description of a lot of what is happening to the young.
Love your name "Moley", and of course, your work. It's both funny and incisive, a rare and powerful combination.
That is very kind, thank you for saying so. Cheers!
I'm looking forward to reading the Unherd article but I'd just assumed those advising Grace Lavery to pull out of the debate, don't exist. More likely that Lavery realised Helen Joyce would wipe the floor with him and that was his attempt at a dignified exit - but maybe not.
Even Nancy Kelley was forced to admit that "No Debate With Hate" no longer worked. Which is unfortunate for her, going by the gibbering debacle she honked out on Women's Hour.
I searched comerfords tweets for mentions of Berns. 23 in two days and countless more prior.
The guy is sick and targeting someone who is DEAD. I would not give him one second's worth of attention; doing so only encourages him.
It is desecration and he is a foul, foul, nastily obsessed man. Add him to the list I suppose.
He really is disturbingly obsessed. Horrible little man.
You know how old wives tales are often based on some truth? I keep thinking about 'children should be seen and not heard'. I think the last couple of generations of parents have tried to compensate for what they saw as reasonably tough love as children, and have overcompensated. You give your child too much of a voice and they run with it. They are not the centre of the universe. I see it as my duty to shower my children with love (comes easily that part) but also to put them in their place, and take the piss out of them. At their private school in London the level of spoiltness (is that a word) beggars belief, all these mums running around trying to fix everything for their children. They are failing at preparing their children for life. A family friend over half term - the 18 year old used the word violated to describe the bad feeling she had when her sister cooked her breakfast. Its a nutty situation to feel hurt by someone being kind, and then that word - I would have sent her out of the room and dressed her down harshley for ever using language like that about something petty.
Hold the line :-). We are witnessing the culmination of an eight year unfolding war in Europe and some privileged nitwit muppets think someone cooking them breakfast means they're violated? Give me ****ing strength!
Yes, you are right Graham about the issue of parents and their grown children, including millennial-aged children in their 30s stepping into powerful jobs, especially in the US. It is one of the most intense and difficult barriers I came across early in my attempts to communicate with my left-leaning friends who have left-leaning offspring. The kids shout them down and call them old and out of touch and transphobic. They cite their crap statistics and crap articles, which unfortunately have apparent weight because they are put out by authoritative and captured institutional bodies. And the kids aren't even necessarily "trans," or "queer," but they are social justice warriors of the successor ideology. They may be even worse because they have to prove their allyship credentials, especially if they are white and (god forbid!!) "sis". Here in the US, there is another dynamic: many people my age watched their own parents go down a Fox news rabbit hole full of misinformation. So it is horrible to them to imagine their kids seeing them in that light. I don't know if it's so much that they want to be "mates" with their kids, as that they want to be sure they have a relationship at all. The issue is that explosive and that toxic. Sadly, I am seeing that it is even worse with the female 3rd wave feminist kids, who are obsessed with being anti-TERF. I have compassion for my friends' dilemma and am glad I don't have kids. But this is no excuse for electeds.
The kids call any questioning of the “trans”narrative “boomer shit”. I call it “elder wisdom “.
Long live boomer shit 👏
We didn't have to wait until now to see this happening with parents and children. My father-in-law had children so he would have an audience, not to actually raise his children with both protection and preparation. I have seen many people my age and younger than I am cater to their children as though they were walking on eggshells (isn't that a sign of abuse?). Kids have no respect for adults who don't set limits, who seemingly have no boundaries.
Mole at the Counters work is lovely. So good to laugh when we tax payers are being robbed by hopeless public sector workers
Thanks very much. Appreciated...
Graham, if you must use class terminology, please don't tar all middle class parents with the same brush. Many of us are appalled, distraught and devastated by the capture of our kids by this nightmare ideology and the harm they are doing to themselves. Could I suggest you have a look at the Parents with Inconvenient Truth about Trans (PITT) website https://pitt.substack.com/
for some testimonies? We already blame ourselves constantly for what we didn't know and didn't do to avert this tragedy and, frankly, we could do with some compassion, not brickbats. Also, I am not so sure other kids are escaping scot free? Harmful gender stereotypes and pressures to adopt them are also in evidence, just expressed in different ways. There is a huge fashion for "Russian doll lips", breast enhancement, Botox and fillers not to mention labial surgery among young women, i.e. looking like a sex doll, and steroid enhanced, pumped up muscles and tattooing among young males. Same body hatred/dissatisfaction, just different ways of attempting to alleviate it, according to your tribe?
Obituaries: The Gray Lady of New York has died of a TransFungal necrotic infection. The once Great Lady was for over 150 year the most trusted source in news the world over, but at the dawn of a new century she descended into the tragic debauchery of intersectional TransHeroin addiction and never recovered. The Gray Lady had been in a Trans-induced coma for months when she succumbed to Death on the TransSword. In liu of flowers, send TransHeroin deliveries to the Gray Lady's Intersectional Social Justice Warriors (formerly known as "news reporters").
Very good!
mmmh doesn't like drama!
Claire Graham
@Mrkhvoice
Feb 17
Replying to @exulansic
Aw, is it sad for the schrodinger female that the facts don't care about your feelings on this side or the debate either? (just following your own rules here, btw, don't get mad again. You've just yet to prove that you are a female by your own standards...you really should set a better example for all your devotees)
another point of view!
It's time he PAIS the piper | ft. Dalea Rundblad, James Linehan, and Exulansic
https://odysee.com/@Isaac:3/he-who-pais-the-piper-calls-the-tune-ft.:0
Exulansic lost her channel over this "drama"!
Ru Paul is, yet AGAIN, on Graham Norton's show tomorrow. I won't be watching.
He and Graham shared giggles about Ru's men who live grotesques of womanface (they would of course never put it THAT truthy-terfy way!) and a massive crying fit that had been indulged, and when Ru twice declared these men 'girls' we shouted at the telly.
Then Ru mimed a Charades line he'd picked, culminating in repeated wanking gestures until the audience had to guess 'jizz'.
You made the right call.
I started listening to his show in direct response to all the crap people have been saying about it. He's clearly not any of the things they say he is. Although, I personally think his podcast is shit, it's not for any of those reasons!
Does anyone know what's happened to DetransEllie? No account on Twitter and nothing on that substack either.
What arsehole was photographed putting a hand around a new-born baby's throat like that? Safeguarding is non-existent in Sweden?
The Jan Jalielek tweet reminds me of Laurie Anderson's "O Superman"...
'Cause when love is gone
There's always justice
And when justice is gone
There's always force
And when force is gone,
There's always Mom.
Hi Mom!
Rogan’s never going to have glinner on, however much he fawns on here or gettr
'Demanding, privileged middle-class kids combined with adults desperate to be their mates instead of their parents—I have a feeling that’s behind a lot of this shite.' Graham, I agree. Adolescents need to rebel and push boundaries, as one way to find out who they are. But they also need adults who will give them kind, firm boundaries to push against, it is actually frightening for adolescents when all their demands are given in to, as it makes them feel they are in charge and there is no-one to keep them safe. There are lots of scared parents, lacking in confidence, and if they turn to support from a group like Mermaids, they can find an identity as 'advocates' for their children instead of parents.