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mole at the counter's avatar

Is Nancy Kelly lying or stupid?

I would say, 'yes'.

Corisande's avatar

It’s a spectrum, not a binary.

A Lakes Poet's avatar

Does she *identify* as a liar or a fool?

Clothes Moth's avatar

Or a gas lighter

Clothes Moth's avatar

Same as lying probably

Jan's avatar

Definitely!

Susan Doherty's avatar

Maybe even both !

Miriam Cotton's avatar

On the first item, the otherwise correctly alphabetised list puts Cis Female and Cis Male at the very bottom. These people are raging homophobes and heterophobes. #Omniphobes I call them.

Úrsula Iguarán's avatar

Well spotted. Completely agree. And those other labels are so not 'genders' (let alone sex markers!!!!) It really upsets me that these are OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS.

Her's avatar

'Prefer not to say' implies one has a gender and just doesn't want to disclose it. There needs to be an option for 'I don't believe in this crap'. Although I do like it when they give you a free format box to write in your gender - I made sure to write an essay about regressive sexist nonsense in the gender box when completing my firm's latest stonewall diversity survey ;)

Jim G's avatar

Agreed, although i'd have to select 'prefer not to say' simply because nothing on that ridiculous list describes who I am. Even the term 'cis' makes my skin crawl. Don't mislabel us, they scream, but we have every right to call you what we want and if you object then you're a bigot. And breathe... 🤬

SusieDerkins's avatar

James O’B is a loathesome man. Pretending he didn’t understand the term “social contagion”. Nasty little oik.

Corisande's avatar

“A gender that only exists on Mondays”

“A gender once seen in a vision”

“A gender vibration of the colour blue...”

Úrsula Iguarán's avatar

With its very own unique special flag!! Designed by a kid in zer bedroom!!

Fintan Substack's avatar

I know, right? It's so oppressive how they only accept genders which can be expressed via the Roman alphabet! What about those which are purely olfactory?

Worse than Hitler

EllenRipley's avatar

'Rose the kiln girl' from Great Pottery Throwdown..What a disappointment that he turned out to be aggressive and misogynistic. Enjoyed watching him on the programme; has an apparently nice manner and great clothes. Surely he didn't think all those middle aged women watching really believe he's a woman, but neither were they unsupportive of his name-change and his style?

Nick L's avatar

So Schmits is ok with taking the opportunity to be the first trans "girl" on the programme but wants anyone who doesn't agree that he is a woman, to be fired (no pun intended). The usual aggressive misogyny then.

Sianrose's avatar

That's how I feel now...about trans.

Replying to

@RoseSchmits

Normal people do not care about the made up term transphobia

Replying to

@RoseSchmits

Why you all such shitty people?

EllenRipley's avatar

Oh bravo William. It reminds me of a letter that a pub landlord wrote on the occasion of transactivism threats. Will try and fish that out.

William A. Ferguson's avatar

God, that's amazing! And I never read this until now.

Great minds and all that.

EllenRipley's avatar

I get almost all my stuff from Mumsnet Feminism Sex and Gender Forum. I am a lurker only there, after they threatened to ban me for using the male pronoun for males. This was a few years ago.

EllenRipley's avatar

Here:https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights

It's heavily moderated because a) it's targeted frequently by TRAs, and b) it's been so very effective in informing and mobilising ordinary women c) Its footfall is in the millions

Weesy's avatar

Brilliant - so pleased this pub is one of my locals - you've reminded me to call in for a pint soon!

SusieDerkins's avatar

Oh my god. I love Liz.

La Matriarcha's avatar

Wonderful!. Touché with extra accoutrements. Liz has taken the 'art form' of 'snotty and 'insulting' letter writing to a whole new level. Liz has just been added to my ever increasing list of heroines and hero's.

Susan Doherty's avatar

Brilliant. Well done to Liz👋👋

Just some bloke.'s avatar

I couldn't help noticing that this person's Twitter handle is @averyofbirds. Birds live in aviaries, but even "aviaryofbirds" would be daft because it would be like writing, "@kennelofdogs" or "@pondoffish" and he would also be suggesting that he keeps birds inside himself, perhaps because he identifies as an aviary as well as a fairytale princess vampire hybrid.

But maybe he's using it as a name. The interweb tells me - "The name Avery is an English and French name meaning "ruler of elves,"" which gives us "@rulerofelvesofbirds," and turns the daftness all the way up to 11.

I should probably try and get out more.

Anyway, great response, William.

William A. Ferguson's avatar

Come with me and I'll take you a magical place known as "the pub".

Catherine Conroy's avatar

Young Shay restores my faith in young people.

Tea-Rex's avatar

Hannah Berrelli is someone I'd love to see on the mess sometime.

Clothes Moth's avatar

Long live Fortnum and Mason’s

Shacklit's avatar

I just filled out an application form in which I was invited to identify myself as either cis or trans. There was no tick box for fuck off, unfortunately.

And another form said: "We encourage applications from Indigenous, Black or racialized persons, women, people with diverse gender identities or expressions, and/or people with disabilities."

Notice who's missing? Gays and lesbians.

Úrsula Iguarán's avatar

Who are 'racialized persons'? Isn't that 100% of us???

Bonnie's avatar

Graham, you probably have seen this but a TIM was invited to speak at a memorial of the *female* victims of the École Polytechnique shooting. Women who were murdered by a misogynist because they were women. The TIM of course made it all about him. Shame on the people who allowed this to happen. I'm apoplectic with rage right now. I guess a silver lining is that it'll peak more people.

Emma mounen's avatar

I really hope that Afghanistan thing isn’t fake.

Úrsula Iguarán's avatar

Meeting of Women & Equalities Committee (UK House of Commons) to discuss GRA this afternoon. Will be interesting to see what they say!

https://imgur.com/a/C7AsIXy

Jim G's avatar

That drop-down gender menu at the top really takes the biscuit. I would have to select "decline to answer" because nothing on that list accurately describes me. I refuse to be counted as 'cis'. My sex is male and nothing I or anyone else might want can change that. I don't have a gender identity and I'm not going to assume one just to placate trendy idiots.