I noticed this the other day after watching the Arielle Scarcella video you posted...that there are a lot of people on youtube who are basically no one and their content is basically 'oh that terrible Arielle Scarcella said this, or said that' etc. They are using her work, her content, as a spring board for their own, to get cred/clicks. Sadly these folks whoever they are are doing the same thing to you. I'm sad really for all the folks that are making their demographic a bunch of not quite well pseudo-trans folks and their minions. This is one of the most disastrous trends that has ever taken hold of humanity...and when the bottom falls out and the detransitioners get their numbers together enough to bankrupt these clinics with class actions I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this demographic or depend on it for anything. I can't even imagine the anger and fury in about five or ten years when a critical mass of children grow up and realize they were groomed by online predators to ruin their lives and bodies, forever. Keep the receipts is all I can say. I'm seriously thinking of starting a blog where I just compile every letter, LTTE, email, and notation that I called someone about this trans medicalization scam. Just so someday when the truth comes out, and these children realize they've been had...my receipts will be in order. Last night when I heard about the NC bill I called the seven sponsors and thanked them on voicemail. Stuff like that. I want my receipts in order so these kids know SOMEBODY tried to do the right thing. In the end that's all that matters.
Lmmmaooo genuinely what the fuck. Same ol' story, people that cant take criticism without framing the critics in the worst light possible. Maybe if they have enough of their own not-so-fashionable opinions silenced, they'll gain awareness enough to consider that other peoples' out-of-vogue statements might not be all hate and lunacy after all. It's not about "enemies", Katie, just no one is above criticism -- cleanse your zealot brain, tribalism gets us nowhere.
Also, didn't she block Arty?? I couldn't imagine a more sweet and well reasoned man inviting you for a fair conversation. Pathetic.
Aww, I was one of those commenters. I unsubscribed and no longer have access to the discussion, but I'd love to see screen shots. Godspeed to all of you and yeah, J and K are pretty silly and would do to take their own advice and log off a bit. Or like, log off and actually put some effort into their show (which can be lovely when they choose).
i only managed to listen to 30 mins of their patreon podcast. i dont think they have any idea how serious this 'gender identity' cultural mindf*cking is. having 'studied'/misunderstood what judith butler and the queer theory ponzi scheme is all about - i have had to 'de-queer' my brain, and so should katie and jesse. 'unpacking queer politics' (shelia jeffreys) gives a good timeline, but there is so much more to learn.
Ovarit has a great discussion on this and someone has transcribed some of the pertinent talking points from " the mess we're in" from Graham, morty and Helen.
Jesse failed to credit Graham for the Challenor story in the first podcast, a blatant a lack of journalistic integrity.
That would have stood if they hadn’t been called out on it yet Katie is protesting their ethical credentials on the grounds that they corrected the record in the second podcast. Hardly a virtuous act since done in response to protests about Jessie’s earlier unethical omission.
Then Katie pleads to excuse her ignorance by claiming never to have read Graham’s blog, ie. admitting to conduct that is unprofessional and clearly congruent with being an activist rather than a journalist.
Neither of them seem to realise just how much they discredit themselves. How can anyone who is aware of this fiasco continue to regard their journalistic output as trustworthy?
They have shown themselves up as a pair of lightweights who are outclassed and are fighting dirty, trying to hold on to their prized ground as reliable cultural commentators on “the trans issue”.
They must think everyone is stupid and that we can’t see it. We can - and it is not just Graham’s supporters who can see it.
The honourable thing to do, that would start to salvage their reputation, would be to:
- acknowledge that they completely misinterpreted Graham’s “Her” app expose, at least partly due to their lack of cultural awareness and failure to recognise and expect satire from a satirist;
- apologise and support Graham, rather than digging themselves an even deeper hole by continuing to undermine and defame him.
I noticed this the other day after watching the Arielle Scarcella video you posted...that there are a lot of people on youtube who are basically no one and their content is basically 'oh that terrible Arielle Scarcella said this, or said that' etc. They are using her work, her content, as a spring board for their own, to get cred/clicks. Sadly these folks whoever they are are doing the same thing to you. I'm sad really for all the folks that are making their demographic a bunch of not quite well pseudo-trans folks and their minions. This is one of the most disastrous trends that has ever taken hold of humanity...and when the bottom falls out and the detransitioners get their numbers together enough to bankrupt these clinics with class actions I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this demographic or depend on it for anything. I can't even imagine the anger and fury in about five or ten years when a critical mass of children grow up and realize they were groomed by online predators to ruin their lives and bodies, forever. Keep the receipts is all I can say. I'm seriously thinking of starting a blog where I just compile every letter, LTTE, email, and notation that I called someone about this trans medicalization scam. Just so someday when the truth comes out, and these children realize they've been had...my receipts will be in order. Last night when I heard about the NC bill I called the seven sponsors and thanked them on voicemail. Stuff like that. I want my receipts in order so these kids know SOMEBODY tried to do the right thing. In the end that's all that matters.
Lmmmaooo genuinely what the fuck. Same ol' story, people that cant take criticism without framing the critics in the worst light possible. Maybe if they have enough of their own not-so-fashionable opinions silenced, they'll gain awareness enough to consider that other peoples' out-of-vogue statements might not be all hate and lunacy after all. It's not about "enemies", Katie, just no one is above criticism -- cleanse your zealot brain, tribalism gets us nowhere.
Also, didn't she block Arty?? I couldn't imagine a more sweet and well reasoned man inviting you for a fair conversation. Pathetic.
Blocked him because they know if they did have a conversation he would wipe the floor with them. It’s easier to preach to the converted.
Commenters on their latest Glinner podcast see it too
Screenshotted but can't post here - will pass it to Moley
oh that's really interesting! You can email it to me just by replying to one of the Update emails. x
Aww, I was one of those commenters. I unsubscribed and no longer have access to the discussion, but I'd love to see screen shots. Godspeed to all of you and yeah, J and K are pretty silly and would do to take their own advice and log off a bit. Or like, log off and actually put some effort into their show (which can be lovely when they choose).
hey thank you for the support, it really means a lot.
Yup, we see it . Did you see that Aiden Comford was in Jesse Singals replies a few days ago calling you a big ole meanie - again.
I knew Comerford would turn up in Singels timeline like a hopeful fart in a lift.
With J & K The sheer lack of ANY self reflection is astounding. I’m beginning to doubt their intelligence as well as their ethics.
i only managed to listen to 30 mins of their patreon podcast. i dont think they have any idea how serious this 'gender identity' cultural mindf*cking is. having 'studied'/misunderstood what judith butler and the queer theory ponzi scheme is all about - i have had to 'de-queer' my brain, and so should katie and jesse. 'unpacking queer politics' (shelia jeffreys) gives a good timeline, but there is so much more to learn.
Is that hypocrisy, irony, retardation or a combo of all three? 😎
Plonkers Abound....they such plonkers they can't even get their own hypocrisy...Sigh....
It’s unbelievable, just jaw dropping.
Ovarit has a great discussion on this and someone has transcribed some of the pertinent talking points from " the mess we're in" from Graham, morty and Helen.
do you have a link?
This is like "Real Detective"
https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/26936/blocked-and-reported-podcasters-jesse-singal-and-katie-herzog-post-new-episode-d/16189c18-a565-4131-b828-538f0392e689#comment-16189c18-a565-4131-b828-538f0392e689
Thanks for linking that. Really interesting.
I don’t buy all their”be nice” hand-wringing.
Jesse failed to credit Graham for the Challenor story in the first podcast, a blatant a lack of journalistic integrity.
That would have stood if they hadn’t been called out on it yet Katie is protesting their ethical credentials on the grounds that they corrected the record in the second podcast. Hardly a virtuous act since done in response to protests about Jessie’s earlier unethical omission.
Then Katie pleads to excuse her ignorance by claiming never to have read Graham’s blog, ie. admitting to conduct that is unprofessional and clearly congruent with being an activist rather than a journalist.
Neither of them seem to realise just how much they discredit themselves. How can anyone who is aware of this fiasco continue to regard their journalistic output as trustworthy?
They have shown themselves up as a pair of lightweights who are outclassed and are fighting dirty, trying to hold on to their prized ground as reliable cultural commentators on “the trans issue”.
They must think everyone is stupid and that we can’t see it. We can - and it is not just Graham’s supporters who can see it.
The honourable thing to do, that would start to salvage their reputation, would be to:
- acknowledge that they completely misinterpreted Graham’s “Her” app expose, at least partly due to their lack of cultural awareness and failure to recognise and expect satire from a satirist;
- apologise and support Graham, rather than digging themselves an even deeper hole by continuing to undermine and defame him.