I just told the president of the Maine Senate that I would like to dump our governor and legislators who voted to put men in women's prisons in the Atlantic Ocean. And this includes him.
Yes, but omit 'let', it's more I'm going to take advantage, exploit, oppress and everything else that's bad, and lots of 'kind' people will help ensure that I can.
I go round and round about whether most people are actual human beings. I think it takes a lot of work and time to fully develop as a human being, and it seems like a large percentage of the population just "aren't into it."
This might seem strange but this is actually one of the most upsetting things I have ever read about on here. I've said to people I know countless times in response to those claims of trans 'marginalisation' that those with learning disabilities and the severely disabled are without question the actual most marginalised people that have ever lived in any society anywhere. And arseholes who claim otherwise simply prove that by forgetting the disabled even exist at all.
And arseholes like this guy and his supporters are among the most contemptible people to have ever walked in society.
Agree. It’s like the young man with autism who was fined for transphobic abuse for asking if someone was a boy or a girl. When are people going to wake up?
I didn't even hear about that. That is extremely upsetting. Not everyone can play the stupid verbal/mind trick gymnastics we are supposed to engage in even if they want to!
The original sharer of this story doesn't believe its entirely true/accurate but the horrible way he describes the scenario and her and the way his vile supporters engage is just very upsetting and disturbing.
I agree Jo, this truly is deeply upsetting. My maternal instincts are in over-drive. I want to stand with that woman blocking that man's way into the bathroom. I really just want to punch him and break his nose actually. Her distress is laid out for the world to see and those numpties in the thread are trying to re-package it as discriminatory behaviour. The really scary thing is, everyone can see where the true discriminatory bullying behaviour is, but I think the man in a skirt will win and it will be traumatising for the woman.
I think try to bear in mind the facts of the actual events are unclear unless someone here knows them. Its the conversation and attitudes towards the woman on the Facebook page that are disturbing. I'd be careful about feelings around punching and breaking noses. There is no suggestion thus far that the woman was threatened physically. Actual violence is what we all want to prevent happening. But I think we all see the many threats to women, particularly the more vulnerable, from having men demanding access to their spaces.
I understand what you're saying about violence and agree, but my feelings are what they are. Only become a problem if I act on them, which is not the case.
He didn't even do that. He asked someone he was with (a parent, I think) "is it a boy or a girl?" in obviously genuine confusion. He didn't shout it at the police officer, he just asked the perfectly reasonable question to someone he trusted to answer.
Having worked with disabled people for 30 years, you are absolutely right. And yes, it is hugely upsetting and contemptible. Why, I'd like to... grrrrrrrrrr......
It really did affect me a lot. I really was too angry to say much at first (or to use the correct spelling of "too", apparently, bollocks) and it took me a while before I could really get words in the right order. It's the absolute callousness of using someone who can't defend themselves to... well, to try to make it harder for *all* women to assert and defend their boundaries.
I say this a lot but one threat is constant and implicit in all of this, to women, children and gay men: "look how much worse we could make this for you."
And they'll blithely use disabled women to make that threat, without a single pang of conscience or regret.
Thanks for sharing the original story. Where did you see this? Did anyone at all in those comments come back in defence of the woman? Or tell the dude in the dress what a horrible person he was?
Because this creep is a member of today's sacred caste, whom nobody is allowed to criticize, and who are entitled to go everywhere and do whatever they want. Trans trumps everything else, including disabled people.
This creep is a member of today's sacred WELL FUNDED caste. Never forget that it's the well-paid-for high profile favourable coverage in the media that is the true culprit here. These vicious psychopaths (who always turn up in any society but who are usually barred from harming anyone) are being given the keys to the children's playground whilst basking in the protection of the bought establishment.
They are such narcissists. To them they are the only person who matters. They can’t see that another person’s rights or needs might be more important than theirs.
The woman has expressed an opinion on what she sees. It has nothing to do with whether she is disabled or not. This photograph is of a man, as anyone can tell. Shame on him for creating distress for someone who has limited ways of communicating.
Well, it does have to with her disability inasmuch as people with Down Syndrom are really, really bad at lying. She just can't pretend he's a woman.
Which tell us all we need to know about how biological sex is a "social construct".
Her not playing along with how he would like to see himself is a constant reminder that what he wants is ultimately unachiveable. She exposes his own cognitive dissonance.
Hence the need to silence her particularly aggressively.
Psychotherapy would obviously benefit him more than social transition.
Exactly this. And I imagine that she was genuinely trying to prevent a mistake from happening; a man going into the wrong toilets. Not trying to correct anyone's behaviour, just distress at something wrong happening.
Yes, this. I would go further and say that all those who cannot accept the lie that a man is a woman or a women a man suffer mental distress. It goes against instinct, biology, common sense and one's own eyes. To try and pretend you are not seeing what you are seeing plainly is traumatic for anyone, but especially so for this young woman whose disability means that she does not have the facility to lie to herself.
I’m just wondering if gender identity is in the equality act. If it is, that would make it difficult for the manager to get rid of this man. He could very loudly and publicly accuse the shop of ‘transphobia’ which would go very badly for them. Of course the woman wouldn’t be able to speak for herself. It’s perfect for predators isn’t it.
It is gender reassignment but that despicable excuse for a lobbying group, Stonewall, has lied about the law everywhere it has access. Now, they claim that gender reassignment, believed originally to mean surgery/hormones, can mean identity with no change to the physical appearance whatsoever.
I hesitate to use the word subhuman, but I understand perfectly what you mean. On the other hand, rather than insulting animals by calling people animals, perhaps the best insult is to call someone human.
Oh you made me laugh! Seriously though, imagine having so little empathy with others, especially those with learning difficulties, that you get offended when they react to you in their own way. I definitely think the lady with Down's should have employee of the month, if not the year, just for her natural, honest reaction to this utter shithead.
"To excuse someone's behavio(u)r because of a disability would be invalidating" says the member of a group that thinks the words "I identify as a woman" excuses everything up to and including rape and murder. The hypocrisy is really starting to get to me.
The woman in the story is pointing out objective reality. This creepy man needs to be reined in by his management.
"Since I got back on Twitter, stories are coming in so fast" -- why, it's almost as if the whole purpose of getting GC thought leaders removed from Twitter was to attack our information distribution
My — what strange ears you have — ‘Valerie’. My — is that a tail I see dragging on the floor behind you — ‘Valerie’? My — what small beady eyes you have — ‘Valerie’. My — what a wolf-shaped face you have — ‘Valerie’.
‘Valerie’ — we don’t want you, or your ears, or your tail, or your mean beady eyes, or your wolf-shaped face in the women’s toilets. Ever.
Thanks for posting this, Graham. I don't believe for a moment that this story happened the way Valerie reported it. Apart from the blatant contradictions (she both runs away screaming *and* blocks him at the toilets?) it's just such an obvious case of validation trawling (and trolling).
But I suspect he probably does have a colleague with Down's syndrome and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she's alarmed by his going into the women's toilets. Who wouldn't be?
I think there are two things going on here; the validation-trawling and a semi-conscious expression of fear about someone who can see the obvious truth, without the social blinkers most of us have. That it's a bloke. Going into the women's toilets. And of someone who cannot be persuaded to participate in a lie through trickery, bullying or social coercion.
A person like that is the natural enemy of narcissistic fantasists and they'll do their best to denounce them at every opportunity. We've seen it a thousand times before.
I think this woman is a hero and I wish a lot more people were like her.
And I think Valerie's disgustingly ableist language, his vilification of a woman with Down's syndrome, his delight in using her to trawl for sympathy and *the fact that he got it* speaks volumes about the gender identity movement.
I've had a couple of hundred responses to my tweets about this. Almost all have expressed disgust and only one (that I've seen) has been TRA-adjacent, and then only cryptically so. It's as though *even TRAs* realise that they can't defend this.
A hero maybe but what a frightening and totally intimidating situation for her to be in every day she goes to work. I do hope her employers support her. The sheer arrogance and aggression in the messages about her are quite shocking. Of all the stories you bring to light, this one really hits home because the poor woman with Down Syndrome is so vulnerable.
I'd bet that many of those vile posts are by other females and by people who are not themselves 'trans'. There exists a huge following, validating these creeps. If they are removed from the picture, the citadel will fall.
Awfully non-inclusive in the victim hierarchy to describe someone with downs syndrome as being "disabled" isn't it? It's not like she's delusional. Seems like "Valerie's" mental illness is a far greater handicap.
Ffs... He doesn't seem to have an ounce of empathy left in him. His need that everyone at least pretend to indulge in his vision of himself is more important than the needs of a woman with a disability. He seems devoid of any decency when he tries to get a disabled co-worker fired.
One thing about people with Down Syndrom is that they can't lie all that well. She just can't play along with his fantasy and quite understandably understands his transgressions into protected spaces for women as an affront to her dignity and to that of all women. And she can't pretend it is not happening. It is beyond her.
If she can't be convinced he is a woman and should be treated as one, no one can - at least not really. People can at best be cowed into playing along with the self image of a man devoid of all empathy and decency.
One objection I raised in the Biden Title IX public comments... The effects of this lie on all of us-- people having pretend things they think are baloney, institutionalization of a lie-- are bad enough, but what about little kids, people with ASD or (as here) developmental disabilities, who are *constitutionally* unable to lie? It's cruel and unusual.
This ideology makes excessive demands on others for purposes of faux-self-stabilization. It's "lack of boundaries between self and other" come to life.
A radical trans activist once told me that people with Down Syndrome are proof you can be born in the wrong body.
Jesus H. I just wanna tear some people's head off. ...
I just told the president of the Maine Senate that I would like to dump our governor and legislators who voted to put men in women's prisons in the Atlantic Ocean. And this includes him.
They'll use anything and anyone to justify their own fantasies before themselves.
Just when you think youve heard it all Part 450 ;
Bastards , utter utter bastards - WTF happend to their 'just be kind ' shite .
I think “just be kind” needs to be replaced with ‘let me take advantage’
Yes, but omit 'let', it's more I'm going to take advantage, exploit, oppress and everything else that's bad, and lots of 'kind' people will help ensure that I can.
Yes indeed.
That applies to them and only them, Ronnie. Everyone else is validation fodder.
If anyone comes near my niece with that shite (she has cerebral palsy) they're going to feel the hot end of my wrath for sure.
That is a revolting thing to say. These people are deeply flawed.
I go round and round about whether most people are actual human beings. I think it takes a lot of work and time to fully develop as a human being, and it seems like a large percentage of the population just "aren't into it."
Shocking!...yet entirely believable
How horrible is that ? These people misappropriate absolutely everything to further their own ends.
The ultimate in ableist attitudes and prejudice.
This might seem strange but this is actually one of the most upsetting things I have ever read about on here. I've said to people I know countless times in response to those claims of trans 'marginalisation' that those with learning disabilities and the severely disabled are without question the actual most marginalised people that have ever lived in any society anywhere. And arseholes who claim otherwise simply prove that by forgetting the disabled even exist at all.
And arseholes like this guy and his supporters are among the most contemptible people to have ever walked in society.
Agree. It’s like the young man with autism who was fined for transphobic abuse for asking if someone was a boy or a girl. When are people going to wake up?
I didn't even hear about that. That is extremely upsetting. Not everyone can play the stupid verbal/mind trick gymnastics we are supposed to engage in even if they want to!
The original sharer of this story doesn't believe its entirely true/accurate but the horrible way he describes the scenario and her and the way his vile supporters engage is just very upsetting and disturbing.
I agree Jo, this truly is deeply upsetting. My maternal instincts are in over-drive. I want to stand with that woman blocking that man's way into the bathroom. I really just want to punch him and break his nose actually. Her distress is laid out for the world to see and those numpties in the thread are trying to re-package it as discriminatory behaviour. The really scary thing is, everyone can see where the true discriminatory bullying behaviour is, but I think the man in a skirt will win and it will be traumatising for the woman.
I think try to bear in mind the facts of the actual events are unclear unless someone here knows them. Its the conversation and attitudes towards the woman on the Facebook page that are disturbing. I'd be careful about feelings around punching and breaking noses. There is no suggestion thus far that the woman was threatened physically. Actual violence is what we all want to prevent happening. But I think we all see the many threats to women, particularly the more vulnerable, from having men demanding access to their spaces.
I understand what you're saying about violence and agree, but my feelings are what they are. Only become a problem if I act on them, which is not the case.
Was that the case of the female police officer who was pretending she was a male officer? Took him to Court over it..
Yes. And he was even fined for it. He had merely asked: Are you a boy or a girl?
He didn't even do that. He asked someone he was with (a parent, I think) "is it a boy or a girl?" in obviously genuine confusion. He didn't shout it at the police officer, he just asked the perfectly reasonable question to someone he trusted to answer.
That's more shocking because we know for sure it happened and it was in the UK. If I was his parent, I'd have raised hell.
perhaps easier said than done with the UK Police these days
Sounds like:
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/some-peoples-feelings-are-more-equal
Having worked with disabled people for 30 years, you are absolutely right. And yes, it is hugely upsetting and contemptible. Why, I'd like to... grrrrrrrrrr......
It really did affect me a lot. I really was too angry to say much at first (or to use the correct spelling of "too", apparently, bollocks) and it took me a while before I could really get words in the right order. It's the absolute callousness of using someone who can't defend themselves to... well, to try to make it harder for *all* women to assert and defend their boundaries.
I say this a lot but one threat is constant and implicit in all of this, to women, children and gay men: "look how much worse we could make this for you."
And they'll blithely use disabled women to make that threat, without a single pang of conscience or regret.
Thanks for sharing the original story. Where did you see this? Did anyone at all in those comments come back in defence of the woman? Or tell the dude in the dress what a horrible person he was?
Could not go back to the original thread, unfortunately.
This is so true.
Saw the thread on Twitter. How did the creep get away with harassing a woman with Down Syndrome with nobody criticising?
Because this creep is a member of today's sacred caste, whom nobody is allowed to criticize, and who are entitled to go everywhere and do whatever they want. Trans trumps everything else, including disabled people.
This creep is a member of today's sacred WELL FUNDED caste. Never forget that it's the well-paid-for high profile favourable coverage in the media that is the true culprit here. These vicious psychopaths (who always turn up in any society but who are usually barred from harming anyone) are being given the keys to the children's playground whilst basking in the protection of the bought establishment.
They are such narcissists. To them they are the only person who matters. They can’t see that another person’s rights or needs might be more important than theirs.
The woman has expressed an opinion on what she sees. It has nothing to do with whether she is disabled or not. This photograph is of a man, as anyone can tell. Shame on him for creating distress for someone who has limited ways of communicating.
Well, it does have to with her disability inasmuch as people with Down Syndrom are really, really bad at lying. She just can't pretend he's a woman.
Which tell us all we need to know about how biological sex is a "social construct".
Her not playing along with how he would like to see himself is a constant reminder that what he wants is ultimately unachiveable. She exposes his own cognitive dissonance.
Hence the need to silence her particularly aggressively.
Psychotherapy would obviously benefit him more than social transition.
Exactly this. And I imagine that she was genuinely trying to prevent a mistake from happening; a man going into the wrong toilets. Not trying to correct anyone's behaviour, just distress at something wrong happening.
Yes, this. I would go further and say that all those who cannot accept the lie that a man is a woman or a women a man suffer mental distress. It goes against instinct, biology, common sense and one's own eyes. To try and pretend you are not seeing what you are seeing plainly is traumatic for anyone, but especially so for this young woman whose disability means that she does not have the facility to lie to herself.
No argument from me there. Forcing someone to pretend to not see what one sees is about as heinous as it gets.
There’s a term called ‘Emotional Labour’ , a form of distress through expressing a ‘public face’ which is contrary to how one really feels.
Why do people keep enabling these sub-human sissy porn addicts? I say "sub-human" because without a conscience you are not human.
I’m just wondering if gender identity is in the equality act. If it is, that would make it difficult for the manager to get rid of this man. He could very loudly and publicly accuse the shop of ‘transphobia’ which would go very badly for them. Of course the woman wouldn’t be able to speak for herself. It’s perfect for predators isn’t it.
It is gender reassignment but that despicable excuse for a lobbying group, Stonewall, has lied about the law everywhere it has access. Now, they claim that gender reassignment, believed originally to mean surgery/hormones, can mean identity with no change to the physical appearance whatsoever.
It was really only meant to be for a very small number of people wasn’t it. What a mistake to make.
I hesitate to use the word subhuman, but I understand perfectly what you mean. On the other hand, rather than insulting animals by calling people animals, perhaps the best insult is to call someone human.
Yes comparing him to an animal would be wrong.
F#ck me I'd scream at that as well.
Oh you made me laugh! Seriously though, imagine having so little empathy with others, especially those with learning difficulties, that you get offended when they react to you in their own way. I definitely think the lady with Down's should have employee of the month, if not the year, just for her natural, honest reaction to this utter shithead.
3 Cheers!
"To excuse someone's behavio(u)r because of a disability would be invalidating" says the member of a group that thinks the words "I identify as a woman" excuses everything up to and including rape and murder. The hypocrisy is really starting to get to me.
The woman in the story is pointing out objective reality. This creepy man needs to be reined in by his management.
As if her behaviour needs any excuse.
It definitely doesn't. Observing reality needs no excuse.
"Since I got back on Twitter, stories are coming in so fast" -- why, it's almost as if the whole purpose of getting GC thought leaders removed from Twitter was to attack our information distribution
😁
My — what strange ears you have — ‘Valerie’. My — is that a tail I see dragging on the floor behind you — ‘Valerie’? My — what small beady eyes you have — ‘Valerie’. My — what a wolf-shaped face you have — ‘Valerie’.
‘Valerie’ — we don’t want you, or your ears, or your tail, or your mean beady eyes, or your wolf-shaped face in the women’s toilets. Ever.
These sick Men are dangerous and nasty. I hope the Woman with Downs has someone protecting her.
Yes, they are dangerous. Some of them very dangerous.
Thanks for posting this, Graham. I don't believe for a moment that this story happened the way Valerie reported it. Apart from the blatant contradictions (she both runs away screaming *and* blocks him at the toilets?) it's just such an obvious case of validation trawling (and trolling).
But I suspect he probably does have a colleague with Down's syndrome and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she's alarmed by his going into the women's toilets. Who wouldn't be?
I think there are two things going on here; the validation-trawling and a semi-conscious expression of fear about someone who can see the obvious truth, without the social blinkers most of us have. That it's a bloke. Going into the women's toilets. And of someone who cannot be persuaded to participate in a lie through trickery, bullying or social coercion.
A person like that is the natural enemy of narcissistic fantasists and they'll do their best to denounce them at every opportunity. We've seen it a thousand times before.
I think this woman is a hero and I wish a lot more people were like her.
And I think Valerie's disgustingly ableist language, his vilification of a woman with Down's syndrome, his delight in using her to trawl for sympathy and *the fact that he got it* speaks volumes about the gender identity movement.
I've had a couple of hundred responses to my tweets about this. Almost all have expressed disgust and only one (that I've seen) has been TRA-adjacent, and then only cryptically so. It's as though *even TRAs* realise that they can't defend this.
A hero maybe but what a frightening and totally intimidating situation for her to be in every day she goes to work. I do hope her employers support her. The sheer arrogance and aggression in the messages about her are quite shocking. Of all the stories you bring to light, this one really hits home because the poor woman with Down Syndrome is so vulnerable.
I'd bet that many of those vile posts are by other females and by people who are not themselves 'trans'. There exists a huge following, validating these creeps. If they are removed from the picture, the citadel will fall.
Well done that woman. My new favourite person- 🍷 a toast to you and sending love x
Awfully non-inclusive in the victim hierarchy to describe someone with downs syndrome as being "disabled" isn't it? It's not like she's delusional. Seems like "Valerie's" mental illness is a far greater handicap.
Ffs... He doesn't seem to have an ounce of empathy left in him. His need that everyone at least pretend to indulge in his vision of himself is more important than the needs of a woman with a disability. He seems devoid of any decency when he tries to get a disabled co-worker fired.
One thing about people with Down Syndrom is that they can't lie all that well. She just can't play along with his fantasy and quite understandably understands his transgressions into protected spaces for women as an affront to her dignity and to that of all women. And she can't pretend it is not happening. It is beyond her.
If she can't be convinced he is a woman and should be treated as one, no one can - at least not really. People can at best be cowed into playing along with the self image of a man devoid of all empathy and decency.
One objection I raised in the Biden Title IX public comments... The effects of this lie on all of us-- people having pretend things they think are baloney, institutionalization of a lie-- are bad enough, but what about little kids, people with ASD or (as here) developmental disabilities, who are *constitutionally* unable to lie? It's cruel and unusual.
This ideology makes excessive demands on others for purposes of faux-self-stabilization. It's "lack of boundaries between self and other" come to life.
It will create totally unnecessary trauma, Laura.