Make up your minds, TRAs. Is gender transition life-saving medical treatment? Or is it a mere service, which may meet or not meet expectations, and be discarded if it doesn't?
The answer seems to be "life-saving, as long as I can make a buck off it."
It's life-saving medical care right up until the moment the 'treatment' fails and then -- magically! -- you've just got an unhappy client who went on an educational detour, not a harmed patient.
Even if it was a "mere service", its a damn invasive one that recommends cutting out needed organs and then drugging the body with drugs that are NOT suitable for that specific biologically sexed body.
“The process of transitioning, even if it no longer satisfies the youth, may have contributed to deconstructing what gender is and helped the individual flourish during their gender journey.” ORRRRRRR therapy and discussion about artificial gender roles and constructs could have achieved this without harm. Reading books, journaling, watching and waiting, exploration of other compounding issues (bdd, anorexia, depression, bullying, internalised homophobia etc) could have achieved this without loss of fertility, sexual function, key organs, the chance to breastfeed, scarring and permanently changing their body in ways they regret, leaving them still dealing with (or worse compounding) all the original issues. WHO THE FUCK CAN JUSTIFY WRITING AND PUBLISHING THIS? How do you get to that level of cognitive dissonance?
No, in 1984 the U.S. and its allies essentially abandoned Western scientific method. Researchers who continued to apply genuine scientific methods with standard protocols were cancelled.
The research mentioned should have had an independent psychologist.
Even if the 2% stat is true, which I doubt, saying “less than 2% of people who have had a gender affirming surgery express regret" is NOT the same as saying that only 2% regret it, it's just saying that only 2% ADMIT to regretting it.
Look at Exulansic's videos. People who are living in hell with surgery complications like long term urostomy bags, pancreatitis, osteoporosis, heart issues, hairy neo penises or neo vaginas that stink don't 'express regret'. They can't. It's psychology. To say it out loud would be to accept they were duped by medics and that they made a mistake.
Admitting they were wrong would make their current situation even harder. So they lie to themselves that they did the right thing, that it will all be OK in the end and that their struggle will eventually bring them the happiness they desire.
People claiming dysphoria need to be challenged by independent therapists for the sake of their health. Genuine dysphorics will stand up to that challenge and pass. Those who aren't can get other treatment for their issues.
Sorry this is long but I get so angry that we aren't challenging kids and let them self diagnose their way into sterilisation.
And we're back to Mark Twain: It's easy to fool people, but it's hard to get them to admit they've been fooled. This is why I have SO MUCH RESPECT for people who are honest with themselves.
So many have been captured by the ideology, but there are still good ones around who are fighting for kids. You just have to be very, very careful who you choose.
My therapist is the only decent one I've ever found (after decades of trying)... but he's swallowed the gender-woo. Not to a "TERFs get the wall!" degree, thank god... just as a "be kind" Boomer straight guy (who thinks that it's not for the likes of him to second-guess what young people/women/LGB are doing), and good liberal in a liberal profession in a liberal town. He doesn't REEEE at me or anything, but it's still a problem; this gets in the way of my fully trusting him. Fingers crossed that I can either talk him out of this bullshit, or at least manage to create a productive therapeutic alliance despite his continuing to subscribe to it. Unfortunately all the other shrinks hereabouts are probably gonna be even more TQ-captured :(
Glad you found a reasonable one. I've tried a few but haven't found a good match yet, although the mismatch isn't about ideology issues.
It's scary that supposedly intelligent people are falling for the woo. You'd think that therapists would be people who would look at all the facts and come to a sensible conclusion. But no.
I think the National Institutes of Health are deeply involved in this; NIH basically is owned by the pharmaceutical companies, we know they're involved in pushing transgenderism on children, and institutions who do not kowtow to the NIH lose their funding and are cancelled. So all the institutions do what they're told.
I think your health system may be more captured than you think. The Gates Foundation has its tentacles all over the world. And I was thoroughly disheartened when I read about the difficulty of hypothyroid patients getting proper care in the U.K.
It absolutely is captured, yes. We have women being raped in women's hospital wards because they put men in women's spaces, but as the funding is different from the USA we don't have surgeons going on TikTok and advertising double mastectomies to girls. We have private health care here, but it's not as prevalent as in the USA. We don't have many medics pushing surgery for personal profit.
We also have more restrictions on pharmaceutical companies. They can't go on TV and push their products direct to the public like they can there. It's not a perfect system as they still try and push their products to doctors.
We have four different health services. Each of the UK nations runs their own. NHS England is heading down the slippery slope to privatisation and it's having issues. NHS Scotland isn't perfect, but the Scottish government is against privatisation so people have a bit more control over it. Sadly Stonewall has still infiltrated it.
Yes, thank god you don't have advertising. The media here are hugely dependent upon pharmaceutical advertising, just one more reason they are so servile.
The trick is the international "health" foundations, etc, which spread their poison all over the world. I have no idea why the NHS is so backward in treating hypothyroidism; proper treatment means saving a lot of money on treating all the problems that untreated hypothyroid patients present with, such as depression, hair loss, digestive issues, skin problems, brain dysfunction. My guess is that it's the influence of the pharmaceutical companies. Maybe you know why.
Anyone who persuades a young person along the transition route cannot themselves have had a satisfactory sex life or good experience of relationships. Either that or they are sadistic and/or sociopaths. As I age and lose my looks I take delight in seeing young people at the peak of their development. If you have known happiness or just aimed for happiness why on earth would you want to make a young person sterile or mutilated before they have even discovered what a good sex life is. Those who enable this malign behaviour or stay silent are morally bereft.
I'm angsty as all hell about aging and losing my own looks... which only makes genderology's crimes against young people seem more horrifying (and tragic) to me. I never got to enjoy what I had (thanks to an abusive upbringing); seeing others deprived of their own youthful beauty and fertility feels like experiencing that loss all over again. So much for misery loves company. I hate it; what would be comforting to me is the thought that what I suffered would never happen to anyone else. And now it's not only happening again... it's WORSE. Being inflicted on an entire generation. On an industrial scale. With the goddamn SCHOOLS getting into the act. Almost makes makes me feel like I got off easy... :(
Hope she ends up in jail 🙏She ,and others like her ,have done irreversible harm to confused children and severely damaged the reputation of their profession and all to make money while playing GOD !!👎👎👎
Apparently it is a ‘sacred journey’ , according to one of the Church of England’s ex-Archbishops. A sacred journey to the jaws of Moloch, in my opinion
That was a wee bit above my intelligence level but …I used to live next door to a trans (ftm) had bits lopped off , bits added ( penis , not pretty but when are they ever ) SHE still has all her female reproductive organs and has decided she wants a baby ! They want it all ways
Maybe we shouldn’t be asking can a woman have a penis but can a ‘woman ‘ without reproductive organs be a woman I might be thick but I’m pretty sure they can’t
TRAs misrepresent us and claim we want to ban transition. We don't. For a very few people, like your child, it may resolve their distress and they need to transition. I'm happy for my taxes to pay for surgery in those rare cases.
But surgery should be a last resort after everything else has been tried and we are sure that gender dysphoria is the root cause and that the discomfort isn't due to childhood abuse, autism, depression or homophobia.
Totally. There's a huge list of reasons girls may think they need to transition. It's insane to think you should just affirm their own diagnosis. We have medics to help us because they are the experts. I was even counselled by a doc when I had gall bladder problems. She went through the pros and cons, side effects etc so I could give informed consent. A child can't give informed consent to sterility and sexual dysfunction.
Make up your minds, TRAs. Is gender transition life-saving medical treatment? Or is it a mere service, which may meet or not meet expectations, and be discarded if it doesn't?
The answer seems to be "life-saving, as long as I can make a buck off it."
It's life-saving medical care right up until the moment the 'treatment' fails and then -- magically! -- you've just got an unhappy client who went on an educational detour, not a harmed patient.
Even if it was a "mere service", its a damn invasive one that recommends cutting out needed organs and then drugging the body with drugs that are NOT suitable for that specific biologically sexed body.
“The process of transitioning, even if it no longer satisfies the youth, may have contributed to deconstructing what gender is and helped the individual flourish during their gender journey.” ORRRRRRR therapy and discussion about artificial gender roles and constructs could have achieved this without harm. Reading books, journaling, watching and waiting, exploration of other compounding issues (bdd, anorexia, depression, bullying, internalised homophobia etc) could have achieved this without loss of fertility, sexual function, key organs, the chance to breastfeed, scarring and permanently changing their body in ways they regret, leaving them still dealing with (or worse compounding) all the original issues. WHO THE FUCK CAN JUSTIFY WRITING AND PUBLISHING THIS? How do you get to that level of cognitive dissonance?
Very good post, agree with every word. Scientists and researchers have taken leave of their senses. Are we living in the middle ages??
No, in 1984 the U.S. and its allies essentially abandoned Western scientific method. Researchers who continued to apply genuine scientific methods with standard protocols were cancelled.
You do get the impression that sometimes the findings are set in advance...
The research mentioned should have had an independent psychologist.
Even if the 2% stat is true, which I doubt, saying “less than 2% of people who have had a gender affirming surgery express regret" is NOT the same as saying that only 2% regret it, it's just saying that only 2% ADMIT to regretting it.
Look at Exulansic's videos. People who are living in hell with surgery complications like long term urostomy bags, pancreatitis, osteoporosis, heart issues, hairy neo penises or neo vaginas that stink don't 'express regret'. They can't. It's psychology. To say it out loud would be to accept they were duped by medics and that they made a mistake.
Admitting they were wrong would make their current situation even harder. So they lie to themselves that they did the right thing, that it will all be OK in the end and that their struggle will eventually bring them the happiness they desire.
People claiming dysphoria need to be challenged by independent therapists for the sake of their health. Genuine dysphorics will stand up to that challenge and pass. Those who aren't can get other treatment for their issues.
Sorry this is long but I get so angry that we aren't challenging kids and let them self diagnose their way into sterilisation.
And we're back to Mark Twain: It's easy to fool people, but it's hard to get them to admit they've been fooled. This is why I have SO MUCH RESPECT for people who are honest with themselves.
So many have been captured by the ideology, but there are still good ones around who are fighting for kids. You just have to be very, very careful who you choose.
My therapist is the only decent one I've ever found (after decades of trying)... but he's swallowed the gender-woo. Not to a "TERFs get the wall!" degree, thank god... just as a "be kind" Boomer straight guy (who thinks that it's not for the likes of him to second-guess what young people/women/LGB are doing), and good liberal in a liberal profession in a liberal town. He doesn't REEEE at me or anything, but it's still a problem; this gets in the way of my fully trusting him. Fingers crossed that I can either talk him out of this bullshit, or at least manage to create a productive therapeutic alliance despite his continuing to subscribe to it. Unfortunately all the other shrinks hereabouts are probably gonna be even more TQ-captured :(
Glad you found a reasonable one. I've tried a few but haven't found a good match yet, although the mismatch isn't about ideology issues.
It's scary that supposedly intelligent people are falling for the woo. You'd think that therapists would be people who would look at all the facts and come to a sensible conclusion. But no.
I think the National Institutes of Health are deeply involved in this; NIH basically is owned by the pharmaceutical companies, we know they're involved in pushing transgenderism on children, and institutions who do not kowtow to the NIH lose their funding and are cancelled. So all the institutions do what they're told.
I think it's a lot worse there in the USA, although our NHSs are getting bad.
I think your health system may be more captured than you think. The Gates Foundation has its tentacles all over the world. And I was thoroughly disheartened when I read about the difficulty of hypothyroid patients getting proper care in the U.K.
It absolutely is captured, yes. We have women being raped in women's hospital wards because they put men in women's spaces, but as the funding is different from the USA we don't have surgeons going on TikTok and advertising double mastectomies to girls. We have private health care here, but it's not as prevalent as in the USA. We don't have many medics pushing surgery for personal profit.
We also have more restrictions on pharmaceutical companies. They can't go on TV and push their products direct to the public like they can there. It's not a perfect system as they still try and push their products to doctors.
We have four different health services. Each of the UK nations runs their own. NHS England is heading down the slippery slope to privatisation and it's having issues. NHS Scotland isn't perfect, but the Scottish government is against privatisation so people have a bit more control over it. Sadly Stonewall has still infiltrated it.
Yes, thank god you don't have advertising. The media here are hugely dependent upon pharmaceutical advertising, just one more reason they are so servile.
The trick is the international "health" foundations, etc, which spread their poison all over the world. I have no idea why the NHS is so backward in treating hypothyroidism; proper treatment means saving a lot of money on treating all the problems that untreated hypothyroid patients present with, such as depression, hair loss, digestive issues, skin problems, brain dysfunction. My guess is that it's the influence of the pharmaceutical companies. Maybe you know why.
Anyone who persuades a young person along the transition route cannot themselves have had a satisfactory sex life or good experience of relationships. Either that or they are sadistic and/or sociopaths. As I age and lose my looks I take delight in seeing young people at the peak of their development. If you have known happiness or just aimed for happiness why on earth would you want to make a young person sterile or mutilated before they have even discovered what a good sex life is. Those who enable this malign behaviour or stay silent are morally bereft.
They're in the pay of Big Pharma and willing to do anything for a buck.
I'm angsty as all hell about aging and losing my own looks... which only makes genderology's crimes against young people seem more horrifying (and tragic) to me. I never got to enjoy what I had (thanks to an abusive upbringing); seeing others deprived of their own youthful beauty and fertility feels like experiencing that loss all over again. So much for misery loves company. I hate it; what would be comforting to me is the thought that what I suffered would never happen to anyone else. And now it's not only happening again... it's WORSE. Being inflicted on an entire generation. On an industrial scale. With the goddamn SCHOOLS getting into the act. Almost makes makes me feel like I got off easy... :(
Hope she ends up in jail 🙏She ,and others like her ,have done irreversible harm to confused children and severely damaged the reputation of their profession and all to make money while playing GOD !!👎👎👎
As if "gender" ever needs to be "deconstructed".
Transition journey? I thought gender identity was innate, immutable etc?
Apparently it is a ‘sacred journey’ , according to one of the Church of England’s ex-Archbishops. A sacred journey to the jaws of Moloch, in my opinion
Anytime I hear "journey" the eyeroll reaction automatically kicks in.
Az Hakeem, a therapist, talked about a support group he ran where pre- and post- op clients talked together. It wasn't the intent of the group, but the pre- op clients mostly chose not to follow the medical-ization path. The podcast episode where he is interviewed is here: https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/64-pioneers-series-psychotherapy-pre-and-post-transition-with-az-hakeem
That was a wee bit above my intelligence level but …I used to live next door to a trans (ftm) had bits lopped off , bits added ( penis , not pretty but when are they ever ) SHE still has all her female reproductive organs and has decided she wants a baby ! They want it all ways
Maybe we shouldn’t be asking can a woman have a penis but can a ‘woman ‘ without reproductive organs be a woman I might be thick but I’m pretty sure they can’t
Sorry they can replicate a dick but I’m pretty sure they can’t replicate a womb cervix and ovaries
Poor , poor child. I’m afraid I really hope she does not succeed in her desire.
This isn't to do with this case, but recommend this CrowdJustice appeal
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/gillian-philip-terminated-for-supporting-women/?utm_source=backer_social&utm_campaign=gillian-philip-terminated-for-supporting-women&utm_reference=de637eca5ce56e6bcf399dadf718be47&utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_content=post_pledge_page
TRAs misrepresent us and claim we want to ban transition. We don't. For a very few people, like your child, it may resolve their distress and they need to transition. I'm happy for my taxes to pay for surgery in those rare cases.
But surgery should be a last resort after everything else has been tried and we are sure that gender dysphoria is the root cause and that the discomfort isn't due to childhood abuse, autism, depression or homophobia.
Or just fear of female puberty, disgust with the pornographic representation of what a woman is, not wanting that. (Who would?)
Totally. There's a huge list of reasons girls may think they need to transition. It's insane to think you should just affirm their own diagnosis. We have medics to help us because they are the experts. I was even counselled by a doc when I had gall bladder problems. She went through the pros and cons, side effects etc so I could give informed consent. A child can't give informed consent to sterility and sexual dysfunction.
They don't talk in terms of sterility or sexual dysfunction. A dereliction of duty.
It sounds like you supported your child very sensitively. And well done him for waiting until he was sure. 21 should be the minimum age.