Meanwhile Wayne Couzens who murdered Sarah Everard had previously been cautioned for indecent exposure. Maybe Laurie thinks Sarah bought it on herself as she she didn’t avert her eyes
Spot on. It's a mens-rights movement disguised as progressive and the "rights" they are claiming are flashing and grooming. Getting into the schools and other institutions to tell silly girls that assault and exposure are their own fault. Just as it ever was.
That's exactly what this movement is - it's middle class white people who like talking down to plebs on twitter. People like Owen Jones and Laurie Penny explaining to poor vulnerable people who they should allow in their rape shelters and prisons - places that they themselves cannot even imagine being in.
I have lost count on the numerous times a male exposed himself to me .
The first time I was around 6 years old, on my first solo trip to the sweet shop;I still remember how threatened I felt by this without being able to understand why-- language left me.
A male friend of my father, like wise, no words for this either, so silenced I was for years.
Now, at age 82 I still recall the threat of those days.
This movement enables so much MRA behaviour. Men trying to force women and children to look at his penis, predators like Yaniv trying to force women to touch his junk. And WE are bigots for speaking out. It beggars belief.
Telling women and girls to just look the other way is just more of the same telling women to shut up. Look away. Don't ask. Don't object. Don't make a fuss. Be obedient. It's grooming.
And Penny's statement is grotesque. Men who go into women's changing rooms and expose themselves WANT everyone to look at their not-very-appealing genitalia. I don't have any idea why men think anyone except someone who loves them would want to see their junk. My dog doesn't understand why human males don't have a tidy sheath like he does.
I remember an NPR call in show years ago covering the topic of voyeurism. Caller after caller after caller of women describing how the police did nothing and told them to be careful not to reveal themselves in their own homes. I think there should be no misdemeanor sex crimes. They should all be felonies.
A woman in Belfast, Maine, had her neighbor expose himself, took him to court, and he was found not guilty because he appeared middle-class. What was not shared with the public was that the same man molested his own son and tried to molest one of his children's friends. He ended up in Maine because the Maryland police told him to get out of their state. Who knows where he is now?
That’s the problem they never “go away” they just find new victims elsewhere when they’re finally caught out which is not often due to all the enabling they get.
This habit of telling offenders to leave the state -- is this an American phenomenon? In the Pacific Northwest they give men who commit crimes plane tickets to Alaska; you can imagine what Alaska is full of.
Don't look. Just look away and let Keith and Dave get their sexual jollies in peace! What's wrong with young kids these days (!)
There are parallels with Eddie "sex pest" Izzard who blamed teenagers for making him feel uncomfortable. Although, I don't buy that for a minute. That was just a ruse. Teenage girls in his vicinity whilst he undressed would have got the dirty bastard off, I reckon
How odd that at one yime the Police felt it necessary to warn children that men waving their willies at them are dangerous. But now seem quite happy to employ self same types within their ranks.
Do we blame this drop in standards on a lack of funding and a lack of good men coming forward to join the force or a general spread in deviance? Or both? Making a perfect storm of danger for society.
It all makes me feel very anxious and a bit panicky.
Liberals brand of individual choices being feminist because women make them has led us to this hideous point. The notion of class based violence based on biological characteristics such as sex or skin colour has been decimated by liberals. Liberalism always leads to the exploitation of the weak through the refusal to look at the social context of the person making the choices, constrained by class based violence from supremacist social groups.
Indecent exposure has long been known to be an indicator of the likelihood of future even more serious crimes. A "gateway drug" to rape and murder. Does this stupid Penny woman know nothing? She should really STFU on matters she doesn't understand. I assume she's one of the TWAW crowd?
Definitely it's a gateway crime, a really good indication of future predation, as we've now seen with Wayne Couzens. I've read quite a few criminal cases where the murderer/rapist/child molester first got his jollies exposing himself. I'd love to see some hard stats on that though - be a good answer to idiots like Penny.
How can we all be so bigoted and mean to these poor privileged criminal men hanging about children’s libraries...and what can the poor, poor Police dooooo? It’s always ALL about the men you see. Just embarrassing they’re so idiotic and shameless we are meant to JUST SAY NOTHING. That is VERY important to them and their enablers.
A very very similar experience happened to me when I was about 9 or 10 years old. My sister aged about 6 and and a girl about the same age as me, my next-door-neighbour, in fact, had run away from me in the park. They headed toward the public toilets and as I approached, some policemen chased a guy into those toilets and I was shouting the name of my sister and neighbour. The two officers asked me what was wrong and I told them, my sister and friend are in there. I was so scared I ran away and hid to watch what was going on. Then when nothing was happening, I saw my sister climbing over the wall of the lavatories, followed by my friend. The police were genuinly frightened, I could tell that. When their colleagues eventually arrived, they ran over to us and our parents were called.. Theres not much other point than that story is similar. I dont have a moral to put at the end but I understood how anxious you were, I really did
Meanwhile Wayne Couzens who murdered Sarah Everard had previously been cautioned for indecent exposure. Maybe Laurie thinks Sarah bought it on herself as she she didn’t avert her eyes
Spot on. It's a mens-rights movement disguised as progressive and the "rights" they are claiming are flashing and grooming. Getting into the schools and other institutions to tell silly girls that assault and exposure are their own fault. Just as it ever was.
They’re scum.
Penny Laurie is a fucking idiot, the female equivalent of Owen Jones.
And if there ever was an example of 'white privilege' she is it. Clueless as they come.
That's exactly what this movement is - it's middle class white people who like talking down to plebs on twitter. People like Owen Jones and Laurie Penny explaining to poor vulnerable people who they should allow in their rape shelters and prisons - places that they themselves cannot even imagine being in.
They’re acting like the high priests and priestesses of gender ideology, offering up vulnerable people as sacrificial lambs.
Laurie Penny...!
I have lost count on the numerous times a male exposed himself to me .
The first time I was around 6 years old, on my first solo trip to the sweet shop;I still remember how threatened I felt by this without being able to understand why-- language left me.
A male friend of my father, like wise, no words for this either, so silenced I was for years.
Now, at age 82 I still recall the threat of those days.
Joan - that’s so sad. Girls have always been vulnerable as we are often silenced and our fears belittled.
This movement enables so much MRA behaviour. Men trying to force women and children to look at his penis, predators like Yaniv trying to force women to touch his junk. And WE are bigots for speaking out. It beggars belief.
Telling women and girls to just look the other way is just more of the same telling women to shut up. Look away. Don't ask. Don't object. Don't make a fuss. Be obedient. It's grooming.
And Penny's statement is grotesque. Men who go into women's changing rooms and expose themselves WANT everyone to look at their not-very-appealing genitalia. I don't have any idea why men think anyone except someone who loves them would want to see their junk. My dog doesn't understand why human males don't have a tidy sheath like he does.
I remember an NPR call in show years ago covering the topic of voyeurism. Caller after caller after caller of women describing how the police did nothing and told them to be careful not to reveal themselves in their own homes. I think there should be no misdemeanor sex crimes. They should all be felonies.
A woman in Belfast, Maine, had her neighbor expose himself, took him to court, and he was found not guilty because he appeared middle-class. What was not shared with the public was that the same man molested his own son and tried to molest one of his children's friends. He ended up in Maine because the Maryland police told him to get out of their state. Who knows where he is now?
That’s the problem they never “go away” they just find new victims elsewhere when they’re finally caught out which is not often due to all the enabling they get.
This habit of telling offenders to leave the state -- is this an American phenomenon? In the Pacific Northwest they give men who commit crimes plane tickets to Alaska; you can imagine what Alaska is full of.
Those last two paragraphs in particular are brilliantly written and spot on.
Don't look. Just look away and let Keith and Dave get their sexual jollies in peace! What's wrong with young kids these days (!)
There are parallels with Eddie "sex pest" Izzard who blamed teenagers for making him feel uncomfortable. Although, I don't buy that for a minute. That was just a ruse. Teenage girls in his vicinity whilst he undressed would have got the dirty bastard off, I reckon
I think it's unfair to accuse Penny of being a thinker.
How odd that at one yime the Police felt it necessary to warn children that men waving their willies at them are dangerous. But now seem quite happy to employ self same types within their ranks.
Do we blame this drop in standards on a lack of funding and a lack of good men coming forward to join the force or a general spread in deviance? Or both? Making a perfect storm of danger for society.
It all makes me feel very anxious and a bit panicky.
Nope. Feminism this is not and Laurie Penny needs to hang it up.
Liberals brand of individual choices being feminist because women make them has led us to this hideous point. The notion of class based violence based on biological characteristics such as sex or skin colour has been decimated by liberals. Liberalism always leads to the exploitation of the weak through the refusal to look at the social context of the person making the choices, constrained by class based violence from supremacist social groups.
Indecent exposure has long been known to be an indicator of the likelihood of future even more serious crimes. A "gateway drug" to rape and murder. Does this stupid Penny woman know nothing? She should really STFU on matters she doesn't understand. I assume she's one of the TWAW crowd?
Definitely it's a gateway crime, a really good indication of future predation, as we've now seen with Wayne Couzens. I've read quite a few criminal cases where the murderer/rapist/child molester first got his jollies exposing himself. I'd love to see some hard stats on that though - be a good answer to idiots like Penny.
Can't wait for nutmeg's story about the rainbow butt monkey dildo fiasco at the children's story hour.
How can we all be so bigoted and mean to these poor privileged criminal men hanging about children’s libraries...and what can the poor, poor Police dooooo? It’s always ALL about the men you see. Just embarrassing they’re so idiotic and shameless we are meant to JUST SAY NOTHING. That is VERY important to them and their enablers.
Wasn't Colin Pitchfork also an exhibitionist? He raped and murdered 2 young girls in the 80's and has only recently been released.
A very very similar experience happened to me when I was about 9 or 10 years old. My sister aged about 6 and and a girl about the same age as me, my next-door-neighbour, in fact, had run away from me in the park. They headed toward the public toilets and as I approached, some policemen chased a guy into those toilets and I was shouting the name of my sister and neighbour. The two officers asked me what was wrong and I told them, my sister and friend are in there. I was so scared I ran away and hid to watch what was going on. Then when nothing was happening, I saw my sister climbing over the wall of the lavatories, followed by my friend. The police were genuinly frightened, I could tell that. When their colleagues eventually arrived, they ran over to us and our parents were called.. Theres not much other point than that story is similar. I dont have a moral to put at the end but I understood how anxious you were, I really did