There is nothing 'wrong' with a naked body, the wrongness being conceived refers to behaviour and boundaries. It's adult men doing inappropriate things with their naked bodies, such as exhibiting them to children in a way which exploits the child and gratifies the adult. It has nothing whatsoever to do with caring for children. Someone should explain that to Paisley.
You've just reminded me how I had a load of stickers on some photos I got developed once quite a few years back. Some they refused to print. I went in and asked what the policy was. They clearly weren't dodgy - it was me with my family and doing normal activities like eating, dancing and as they were little kids, bath time and story time. Nothing too revealing, no genitals on display, all very decent. I stopped using that branch and then it all went digital anyway. I was quite upset that any image containing skin had been deemed offensive. A photo of a child laughing in a bed at story time was deemed offensive and sensitive? Pornographic?
That was an early hint to me as to the direction of how images would be dealt with online - and everything to do with bodies jumbled up and algorithmic overlords deciding what gets a thumbs up or down. What content is. What consent is. No images of breastfeeding women and the accusation of deliberately exposing yourself, 'offensive images that cause harm' and that coming under the same umbrella as flashing, actual and graphic porn, abuse and unsolicited (and collected) images without people's consent or permission. So dick pics, threats, harassment, porn and the fetishisation of kids is somehow ok? #NoThankYou
Your case reminds me of that of Julia Somerville, reporter for the BBC and ITN who took pictures of her children having a bath and was reported to the police by Boots the Chemist. It drives me nuts that innocent parents can be viewed as perverts for taking photos of their children.
Gosh. It was Boots (now owned by Walgreens WBA) I was talking about funnily enough. I believe mine was about a decade after the incident you highlight. Looks like I got off lightly, and I wonder how many others of us there are. So they had a policy and enforced it and tried to criminalise people in so doing despite having been made aware that it was baseless and could cause distress.
Sheer abuse of power and the wasting of police time seem to be a plague.
Wonderful post, Sian...I agree with you 100%. It was Tatchell, if I recall correctly, who said, quite a while back now, that teenage girls who feel awkward changing in front of boys should be taught to get used to it...These men have NO boundaries, NO understanding of child safeguarding and NO interest in that, for only THEIR view matters. I believe that neither of them have children either? Might be wrong on that one.
I remember finding him to be a loathsome and disturbing man many years ago when I was a paid up member of the National Secular Society - who adored him at the time. I was treated as a weird outlier for finding him unpleasant. Hens do come home to roost NSC!
I think the dictionary definition is: Anything we don't like? COLONIALIST CONSTRUCT! For a bunch colonising us it seems a little lacking in self-awareness. Who knew.
I've been listening to Owen Hurcum on Stephen Nolan's podcast claiming he is ignorant of his own chromosomes. If he's that unaware I wonder how he is Bangor's mayor. He also stated his 'euphoria' at messing around with gender stereotypes.
He also seemed to imply that straights/'cis' masquerade 'queer coding' so it's as if we don't adhere to their strictly imposed social norms of how they see gender, then we are colonising their 'queer experience' by sending out the wrong signals. And that dyeing hair or wearing cool clothes, or being in any way expressive is now straights queer coding. It's a very regressive way of looking at humanity. He seems to conflate sex, gender and sexuality. When defining his lived experience it seems very typically male and privileged.
He referenced 'the language games we play as a community to express our gender'. A bit of an admission. And like no one has every played with their self-expression or sexuality before? Oh no, no, young man, your 'community' are the first-footers here clearly. He also appears to believe he isn't protected in law if someone assaults or kills him. He is already protected by a raft of legislation, and admits his ignorance, then claims Parliament should draft new laws to represent his additional needs. I wonder if he realises how many girls and women are assaulted and murdered and there are plenty of laws to protect us, they're just ignored or apparently unenforceable.
A lack, or total absence of self awareness is one of the things that seems to define some of these people. I read something about the on the multiplicity of genders that have been invented, and regarding the reference to 'two spirit', it emphasised that, 'respectfully', this should only be applied to the indigenous people the concept belongs to, and not appropriated by others. I'd say that these arseholes don't get irony either, but they just realised that they don't have to care. They can make it up as they go along and get nods of agreement.
Yes, me too, and it feels nuts. Then I reflect on some of the things prominent Labour politicians have said, including the leader of the party, ffs, and realise to what extent they are prepared to compromise the rights and safety of women and children. That's isn't just nuts, it's abusive and criminal.
Yes, and I saw the co-chair of the LGBT Police UK tweeted under it to "stop recording women as victims then". They got some negative response and have since locked the account. Great British policing there from someone dedicated to looking after the safety of lesbians
Very relevant, not at all off topic and I hope Glinner covers this (maybe with the others he's featured like Baroness Nicholson who is making real headway, or Rosie Duffield or Joanna Cherry). I whooped and woohooed at that news. It's hard to let go of loyalties to what you thought a person or party stood for (or against). I'd like a choice of who to vote for and am conflicted about how I will vote other than spoiling my ballot. Labour are rather quiet at the moment and I wonder when the penny will drop for them. Political scientists have been trying to explain and reframe the skewing and reskewing of the old but new but new but old party manifestations for a while now.
English Greens maybe dodged a bullet (or didn't completely stab themselves in both feet with a rusty fork) but the Liberals and Greens in Scotland and SNP seem to want to go down with the ship. Maybe the buried treasure they have been promised is down there.
I have never voted Tory but unless Labour stop being a bunch of spineless disingenuous a-holes I will never vote for them again. If they get in, all this alphabet soup stuff will be off the charts and women will be thrown to the wolves. Labour in my opinion have never prioritised women's rights, but now they are willing to jeopardise our safety and whole identity. No matter how bad the Tories are they are the only party stopping this nonsense at the moment.
Those of us who have endured and survived childhood sexual abuse are unfortunately only too aware of the nature of grooming and how complicit people can be. Conversations like these, however uncomfortable, are necessary and important and if it upsets a few genderists who don’t/ won’t recognise grooming when it rears its ugly head then tough sh*t. I would do anything to protect my children from the experiences myself, my mother and my sisters had. If that makes me a hateful bigot then so be it. I don’t give a flying f***.
Brings to mind the document/petition (ILGA? may be wrong - will try and find it) that called for the removal of the age of consent in amongst loads of LGBT rights demands, that was signed by Mermaids among others. On the surface it looked like an anti-homophobia anti-transphobia mandate, which is great, until you read the small print buried in the middle.
2) Murdo Fraser , conservative MSP, has tweeted about an SNP researcher at Westminster having his HoC pass withdrawn, apparently after re-tweeting a post including a TRA weilding an assault rifle.
And then there was the time DP liked a tweet calling for trans people to carry guns and then denied it when pointed out despite there being loads of video evidence to contrary.
'Researcher' is a very woolly term like 'advisor' and I thought, and was promised, that the HoC had addressed this. Passes became harder to obtain although there are still bizarre and ginormous loopholes. Maybe some of our esteemed Parliamentary colleagues could look into this?
Ceris' predator thread has knocked the wind out of me. Phenomenal piece of writing and hugely validating for my own views on safeguarding& predator threat, I really appreciate Ceri publishing that thread.
I am at a loss to understand what the PSNI can have an issue with. I'm in Belfast online but no socials. Do all please flag up any avenues/actions to support Ceri. Outraged for her.
The child-molesters thought they were on the verge of winning by hitching onto LGB causes via the trans interests. Now they can see their high-risk strategy starting to unravel, and they are going to use all the tricks they know from grooming children to get back at their opponents. Manipulation, threats and coercion are their stock-in-trade, and it leaves us at a bit of a disadvantage. We need to be very vigilant, but Parsley is so thick he's given the game away early.
It's so disingenuous to compare sharing spaces with family members and complete strangers. I'm sure he knows this and is just being obtuse. And even within families we are allowed to have privacy and dignity and not have other members expose their genitals to us.
People who ignore or downplay child safeguarding get my hackles up. We should always err on the side of caution for the most vulnerable. The number of people on "their" side who seem all too eager and willing to defend paedophilic and creepy behaviour and attitudes is staggering.
The fact he makes the analogy between his mum seeing him naked in the bath a a child and women being forced to share changing rooms with adult men would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
His arguments make no sense, his example of bathing with his mum or brother or of caring for his mum when she had cancer in the privacy of their own home bear no relevance to a scenario where a random stranger is exposing his penis to women and girls at a spa. Ceri’s entire point was proven when the accused turned out to be a serial flasher/sex offender. Hope he gets his tragic arse handed to him on a plate, the Fair Cop report couldn’t have landed at a better time.
Tatchell still knocks around with Nettie Pollard (also early GLF) who was hugely active on behalf of Paedophile Information Exchange - wondered where I recognised the name Andrew Lumsden from the other day protesting as a TRA - Nettie and Andrew are big chums still - there’s no shame to being a pro paedophile rights activist for these people and they are still admired - loads written on Nettie during 2013/14 in press yet no one ever asks Tatchell about her when he puts press releases on his website mentioning her! Why?
No there is nothing wrong with the naked human body.
But we are all entitled to have dignity and respect for our personal privacy.
David Paisley and fellow exhibitionists should go live in a nudist colony and exhibit themselves to their hearts content.
And not do it in front of women and children.
There is nothing 'wrong' with a naked body, the wrongness being conceived refers to behaviour and boundaries. It's adult men doing inappropriate things with their naked bodies, such as exhibiting them to children in a way which exploits the child and gratifies the adult. It has nothing whatsoever to do with caring for children. Someone should explain that to Paisley.
You've just reminded me how I had a load of stickers on some photos I got developed once quite a few years back. Some they refused to print. I went in and asked what the policy was. They clearly weren't dodgy - it was me with my family and doing normal activities like eating, dancing and as they were little kids, bath time and story time. Nothing too revealing, no genitals on display, all very decent. I stopped using that branch and then it all went digital anyway. I was quite upset that any image containing skin had been deemed offensive. A photo of a child laughing in a bed at story time was deemed offensive and sensitive? Pornographic?
That was an early hint to me as to the direction of how images would be dealt with online - and everything to do with bodies jumbled up and algorithmic overlords deciding what gets a thumbs up or down. What content is. What consent is. No images of breastfeeding women and the accusation of deliberately exposing yourself, 'offensive images that cause harm' and that coming under the same umbrella as flashing, actual and graphic porn, abuse and unsolicited (and collected) images without people's consent or permission. So dick pics, threats, harassment, porn and the fetishisation of kids is somehow ok? #NoThankYou
Your case reminds me of that of Julia Somerville, reporter for the BBC and ITN who took pictures of her children having a bath and was reported to the police by Boots the Chemist. It drives me nuts that innocent parents can be viewed as perverts for taking photos of their children.
Gosh. It was Boots (now owned by Walgreens WBA) I was talking about funnily enough. I believe mine was about a decade after the incident you highlight. Looks like I got off lightly, and I wonder how many others of us there are. So they had a policy and enforced it and tried to criminalise people in so doing despite having been made aware that it was baseless and could cause distress.
Sheer abuse of power and the wasting of police time seem to be a plague.
Wonderful post, Sian...I agree with you 100%. It was Tatchell, if I recall correctly, who said, quite a while back now, that teenage girls who feel awkward changing in front of boys should be taught to get used to it...These men have NO boundaries, NO understanding of child safeguarding and NO interest in that, for only THEIR view matters. I believe that neither of them have children either? Might be wrong on that one.
I remember finding him to be a loathsome and disturbing man many years ago when I was a paid up member of the National Secular Society - who adored him at the time. I was treated as a weird outlier for finding him unpleasant. Hens do come home to roost NSC!
We all know biological sex is a colonialist construct (🙄) but did you know that child safeguarding is too? 🤡
I'm sure you've all seen the tweets from the usual ANTIFA suspects purporting that very thing.
I think the dictionary definition is: Anything we don't like? COLONIALIST CONSTRUCT! For a bunch colonising us it seems a little lacking in self-awareness. Who knew.
I've been listening to Owen Hurcum on Stephen Nolan's podcast claiming he is ignorant of his own chromosomes. If he's that unaware I wonder how he is Bangor's mayor. He also stated his 'euphoria' at messing around with gender stereotypes.
He also seemed to imply that straights/'cis' masquerade 'queer coding' so it's as if we don't adhere to their strictly imposed social norms of how they see gender, then we are colonising their 'queer experience' by sending out the wrong signals. And that dyeing hair or wearing cool clothes, or being in any way expressive is now straights queer coding. It's a very regressive way of looking at humanity. He seems to conflate sex, gender and sexuality. When defining his lived experience it seems very typically male and privileged.
He referenced 'the language games we play as a community to express our gender'. A bit of an admission. And like no one has every played with their self-expression or sexuality before? Oh no, no, young man, your 'community' are the first-footers here clearly. He also appears to believe he isn't protected in law if someone assaults or kills him. He is already protected by a raft of legislation, and admits his ignorance, then claims Parliament should draft new laws to represent his additional needs. I wonder if he realises how many girls and women are assaulted and murdered and there are plenty of laws to protect us, they're just ignored or apparently unenforceable.
A lack, or total absence of self awareness is one of the things that seems to define some of these people. I read something about the on the multiplicity of genders that have been invented, and regarding the reference to 'two spirit', it emphasised that, 'respectfully', this should only be applied to the indigenous people the concept belongs to, and not appropriated by others. I'd say that these arseholes don't get irony either, but they just realised that they don't have to care. They can make it up as they go along and get nods of agreement.
*referenced
*arggghhh *ever played!
This is sick when one considers how many indigenous people of Turtle Island were deeply shocked at how Europeans treated their children.
I'm sorry to go off topic again but did anyone see this in the Mail on Sunday? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10124021/Priti-Patel-orders-woke-police-stop-recording-offences-trans-women-female-crime-stats.html I never thought I would change my view on Priti Patel but, here it is.
Yes, me too, and it feels nuts. Then I reflect on some of the things prominent Labour politicians have said, including the leader of the party, ffs, and realise to what extent they are prepared to compromise the rights and safety of women and children. That's isn't just nuts, it's abusive and criminal.
Yes, and I saw the co-chair of the LGBT Police UK tweeted under it to "stop recording women as victims then". They got some negative response and have since locked the account. Great British policing there from someone dedicated to looking after the safety of lesbians
Very relevant, not at all off topic and I hope Glinner covers this (maybe with the others he's featured like Baroness Nicholson who is making real headway, or Rosie Duffield or Joanna Cherry). I whooped and woohooed at that news. It's hard to let go of loyalties to what you thought a person or party stood for (or against). I'd like a choice of who to vote for and am conflicted about how I will vote other than spoiling my ballot. Labour are rather quiet at the moment and I wonder when the penny will drop for them. Political scientists have been trying to explain and reframe the skewing and reskewing of the old but new but new but old party manifestations for a while now.
English Greens maybe dodged a bullet (or didn't completely stab themselves in both feet with a rusty fork) but the Liberals and Greens in Scotland and SNP seem to want to go down with the ship. Maybe the buried treasure they have been promised is down there.
I have never voted Tory but unless Labour stop being a bunch of spineless disingenuous a-holes I will never vote for them again. If they get in, all this alphabet soup stuff will be off the charts and women will be thrown to the wolves. Labour in my opinion have never prioritised women's rights, but now they are willing to jeopardise our safety and whole identity. No matter how bad the Tories are they are the only party stopping this nonsense at the moment.
Those of us who have endured and survived childhood sexual abuse are unfortunately only too aware of the nature of grooming and how complicit people can be. Conversations like these, however uncomfortable, are necessary and important and if it upsets a few genderists who don’t/ won’t recognise grooming when it rears its ugly head then tough sh*t. I would do anything to protect my children from the experiences myself, my mother and my sisters had. If that makes me a hateful bigot then so be it. I don’t give a flying f***.
Brings to mind the document/petition (ILGA? may be wrong - will try and find it) that called for the removal of the age of consent in amongst loads of LGBT rights demands, that was signed by Mermaids among others. On the surface it looked like an anti-homophobia anti-transphobia mandate, which is great, until you read the small print buried in the middle.
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-piece-of-the-pie
Thanks - I thought it was ILGA but couldn’t remember.
Two unrelated things from Scotland
1) Lisa Keogh's fundraiser is up (was up), though currently unreachable (Hmmm)
https://lisakeogh.uk
2) Murdo Fraser , conservative MSP, has tweeted about an SNP researcher at Westminster having his HoC pass withdrawn, apparently after re-tweeting a post including a TRA weilding an assault rifle.
https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1452197092940828678/photo/1
Can't find the story on the Mail website yet.
Guess who's following who on twitter? https://twitter.com/Lungbarrow1/status/1452258764850085890
And then there was the time DP liked a tweet calling for trans people to carry guns and then denied it when pointed out despite there being loads of video evidence to contrary.
OK, 2) might not be completely unrelated.
'Researcher' is a very woolly term like 'advisor' and I thought, and was promised, that the HoC had addressed this. Passes became harder to obtain although there are still bizarre and ginormous loopholes. Maybe some of our esteemed Parliamentary colleagues could look into this?
And this is very related!!!! Thank you :-)
Ceris' predator thread has knocked the wind out of me. Phenomenal piece of writing and hugely validating for my own views on safeguarding& predator threat, I really appreciate Ceri publishing that thread.
I am at a loss to understand what the PSNI can have an issue with. I'm in Belfast online but no socials. Do all please flag up any avenues/actions to support Ceri. Outraged for her.
The child-molesters thought they were on the verge of winning by hitching onto LGB causes via the trans interests. Now they can see their high-risk strategy starting to unravel, and they are going to use all the tricks they know from grooming children to get back at their opponents. Manipulation, threats and coercion are their stock-in-trade, and it leaves us at a bit of a disadvantage. We need to be very vigilant, but Parsley is so thick he's given the game away early.
These people would defend Jimmy Savile.
I've read all of Ceri's thread. It's an incredible piece of writing.
The implications of all this are very disturbing, aren't they.
It's so disingenuous to compare sharing spaces with family members and complete strangers. I'm sure he knows this and is just being obtuse. And even within families we are allowed to have privacy and dignity and not have other members expose their genitals to us.
People who ignore or downplay child safeguarding get my hackles up. We should always err on the side of caution for the most vulnerable. The number of people on "their" side who seem all too eager and willing to defend paedophilic and creepy behaviour and attitudes is staggering.
I'm willing to bet there's a few skeletons in his closet.
The fact he makes the analogy between his mum seeing him naked in the bath a a child and women being forced to share changing rooms with adult men would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
It was cute when he was all of four years old. He's forty-two now and I suspect mum ain't got time for that.
His arguments make no sense, his example of bathing with his mum or brother or of caring for his mum when she had cancer in the privacy of their own home bear no relevance to a scenario where a random stranger is exposing his penis to women and girls at a spa. Ceri’s entire point was proven when the accused turned out to be a serial flasher/sex offender. Hope he gets his tragic arse handed to him on a plate, the Fair Cop report couldn’t have landed at a better time.
https://youtu.be/yrjogH-WAxg
So disturbing
Have you watched this brilliant podcast with Dr Az Hakeem?
Tatchell still knocks around with Nettie Pollard (also early GLF) who was hugely active on behalf of Paedophile Information Exchange - wondered where I recognised the name Andrew Lumsden from the other day protesting as a TRA - Nettie and Andrew are big chums still - there’s no shame to being a pro paedophile rights activist for these people and they are still admired - loads written on Nettie during 2013/14 in press yet no one ever asks Tatchell about her when he puts press releases on his website mentioning her! Why?
this is very interesting, thank you!
https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/veterans-celebrate-50-years-of-gay-liberation-front/ Tatchell quoting Nettie in his blog in 2020!