What utter disrespect and disregard these male ‘allies’, and men-pretending-to-be women, and their foolish handmaidens are showing toward their mothers. Those same mothers, in whose wombs they grew, and out of whose bodies they were born. In great pain. Shame. Shame. Shame.
They need to deny reality but unfortunately the truth is not mutable nor are facts no matter whether they can face it or not or what bizarre propositions they try to make others believe. They have no experience of womanhood, no respect for same and are entirely egocentric. It’s a delusion and mental health issue. Because they don’t do the work of birthing and nurturing it simply doesn’t exist. This is the result of long term Oppression of women and our reality. They’re fantasists who’ve let their basest behaviour and perversions rule them and tantrum and manipulate when others won’t coddle them because they’ve , as usual with men, gone too far and are the hitting boundaries of reality and decency. I suppose it’s just one of many spheres this is occurring finally where bourgeoise elite bs and fetishs go to far against the people they exploit propagandise and abuse. Nutters who truly believe their own bs.
Spoke to a young relative about Brighton. They had read the smoke bomb was thrown by our side. Friends apparently believe the same. Asked what I thought Posie was doing. Very unaware of facts and seemed shattered by the facts.
Felt like a no Father Christmas/ no tooth fairy conversation re “born in wrong body” and the gay rights movement. The harm this corruption and dishonesty have done to our young people is massive.
Posie- thank you for your clarity of thinking and strategy. Next- how can we help young people?
Sadly the TRAs do nothing but lie and slur. There’s no honesty. Women photographing and recording the incidents that happened can show which side was vicious, noisy, threatening, abusive and arrested! We also have to remember it was an event in a public place so members of the public did join in, but the black pampers were obviously on their side, with their “queer” pink n black flags causing disruption and intimidation at the v least.
The middle class students cosplaying antifascist know they are safe from harm by targeting this event. I have seen antifash years ago in running street battles with the NF when the bastards marched in my city. BOTH sides were violent, throwing punches and bottles.. They can act out their poundland ninja, freedom warrior fantasy without any fear of retaliation because they are targeting of non violent women who just want to speak What happened lads?
Just gangs who want a rumble, only I suspect the antifa gangs are being funded by certain billionaires and are being blessed by members of government. I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true of the NF gang.
"One of the funniest things was seeing someone with the sign ‘TRANS PEOPLE JUST WANT TO EXIST IN PEACE” while shouting over women trying to speak."
Indeed. But rather more disturbing was that they were stood next to a sign saying "Combat TERF hate" with a picture of a "Community defence" petrol bomb. The aggression is one-sided.
Thanks everyone for all the "Likes" - warms the cockles of me heart, it does ... 😉🙂
But ran across a quote of Hannah Arendt the other day which seems a rather "pointed" criticism of all the transloonie nutcases and their rather odious ilk:
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.”
That is basically what those nutcases are trying mightily to do: completely obviate, discard, and obliterate any and all "distinctions between true and false". Not on my watch.
While I would concur that it's unfair to ascribe a racist motive without more definitive proof or context, describing committing an act of public vandalism in the UK as "standing up for Palestinians" is a bit of a stretch too.
Still not proof of antisemitism. Antisemitism has been dishonestly weaponised enough by unscrupulous politicians and other smearers in recent years. Don't jump on the sordid bandwagon..
This doesn't have to be about looking for 'proof'. Definitive evidence of support for a particular ideology or prejudice will usually emerge. It's more important to pay attention to what people say and how they behave. Think about their motives and what that might imply. Of course there are people who claim to support the Palestinian people, whilst not actually caring about their circumstances and well-being, etc. Their faux support is concealment for antisemitism. They're aware it's not going to be looked into too deeply. After all, they're supporting a group of people, some of whom are discriminated against and oppressed. But in this instance, they're a useful adjunct that enables them to express supposedly legitimate grievance against another group of people, one they don't like.
From this specific perspective, it's similar to men claiming to support trans rights, particularly the rights of transgender women. A minority might believe this is what they're doing, regardless of how skewed their understanding of what's happening is. They're informed and influenced by the 'war against trans rights' narrative. But most of these men simply don't like women. It's why they're out in force against the 'bigots'. Enjoying opportunity, freedom, support and approval. And they retain it, regardless of how threatening and abusive they are. Pointing to a much wider misogyny.
"Their faux support is concealment for antisemitism". This, with regards to "Storm Rayner", is, at best, conjecture. It may be true for some activists, for others not. The label "antisemite" should be reserved for people we know are antisemitic, otherwise we are behaving little better than those for whom "transphobe" is the insult of choice for anyone they despise.
Automatically conflating justified criticism of Israel's behaviour with antisemitism is very effective narrative manipulation. That's why the state of Israel and its defenders do it.
Thanks for covering all of this, Graham. I think its going to be up to us to identify the physio-therapy cures to help connect ill people to their bodies. That should be the first steps of treatment. James Esses, Az Hakeem, Maya Forstatter and so many others we know now, thanks to your writing. Best regards, Ute Heggen
No, but it's the cause du jour for some really vile people or just those simpering along who know nothing about the region, nothing about the people and feast on virtue-signalling outrage all day, every day. It spreads hatred and ignorance, whilst screeching about tolerance and inclusivity. Some people really love a cause, any cause and want a rammy. Look at the incidents caused in Leicester, spread by social media and people travelling to cause a stink. I know Palestinians who refuse to say where they are from because of this and it's genuinely dangerous.
I almost avoid those with flags on their profiles as it often means they know less than anyone else but pretend the reverse, it's really hard to tell online and it's so easy to whip things up when trying to 'be good' and 'on the right side of history'.
Defending the racist behaviour of the apartheid state of Israel with dishonest antisemitism accusations and smears is also a popular cause de jour, amongst a different, no less vile and often explicitly racist demographic.
You're definitely going off the map there - the ethnic demographic of Israel as compared to the Palestinian territories makes pretty clear that it's not racist or an apartheid state. I've not heard a convincing argument otherwise and far wiser people than us on both sides have been making the case for several decades now.
The "weaponising antisemitism" claim handwaves away the serious concerns that many Jews had at the last General Election about the Labour Party. It's a bit absurd to suggest that Jews didn't do at least some degree of research before deciding whether or not Corbyn was, as Dan Hodges put it, an "enabler for antisemites". Some Rabbis gave up their Labour Party membership (https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/rabbis-letter-labour-antisemitism-1.467264) while other Rabbis campaigned on behalf of the party (https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/liberal-judaisms-rabbi-danny-rich-stands-by-labour-for-now/). The old adage about "two Jews, three opinions" applies here.
What is true, is that LGB (and even T) rights in Israel are better than anywhere else in the Middle East - so much so that Israel is usually the first asylum port of call for gay Palestinians. Standing up for the rights of a state that likes to throw its gays off the top of buildings while criticising a tolerant liberal democracy full of Jews does seem incongruous, to say the least.
Neil, please stop, this is not the place. You are hammering your points home and seem determined in a very particular way. Doing this online or anyone doing so aggressively offline it is not helping.
Thanks for your comment. IMO, my replies have been concise responses to other people's responses and not aggressive at all. I simply think it's important not to use the accusation of antisemitism as a casual, unsupported insult.
Who was doing that here? You've done exactly what I was describing. Deliberately taking an oppositional stance. I'm not sure who here is doing what you have suggested above, but yet you wrote it. I've spoken about those from the place, yet still you are stirring. This is not the place, and that women's event was also not the place.
I understand Graham is referring to incidents where smoke bombs were thrown at a black woman speaking, and glitter was thrown at our marvellous poet Aja! To try to ruin her dreadlocks. Graham knows what he’s talking about. Those protestors were also heard implying homophobia too. Captured on video by Aja.
"Oh, and his previous trouble was related to…guess what? Those darn Jews! Can’t wait to see arch-anti-Semitism busters Aaron Rabinowitz and Aiden Comerford get onto this case!"
I do not want to get into discussions about Israel and Palestine with people who get their "news" from the BBC, PBS, the Guardian, etc. I want people to either read Miko Peled's book -- he was a colonel in the IDF, his father a general -- or listen to one of the videos on youtube. He can hardly be accused of antisemitism, but is a truth-teller which I believe many people on this substack think they are as well.
That's how media rhetoric works. They presuppose their value judgements as "objective matters" that don't need to be argued.
Thus e.g. instead of asking, "Is J K Rowling transphobic? And is there such a thing as being transphobic anyway?", they ask, "What are we going to do about Rowling's transphobia?"
Also note the implied community of "Graham Norton defends..." Yes good old Graham is one of the "responsible folk" or was until he invited in that "monster" Rowling!
Thanks for these windows into the Brighton event. Its a relief to see the thin crowd of TRAs, loud though they were. Gender dysphoria is a maladaptive response to trauma, abuse and sexism. We are born with one body only. What a violent religion the "sexologists" have promoted!
Ute Heggen, author, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
That poor, wide-eyed little mite looked completely baffled. She came to gawp at all the new colours and sounds in her bright dungarees, occasionally burp and point at things, make incoherent noises and grin as she soiled herself.
And then that baby showed up to spoil Carly-May Kavanagh's day.
The Andy Ngo clip caught the attempted "de-arrest" most clearly (third link after 3min), That's also why he had to be carried. The Police were also recording their own evidence and the very recognisable tall chap with the bad haircut is someone who was lucky not to find himself in a van.
What utter disrespect and disregard these male ‘allies’, and men-pretending-to-be women, and their foolish handmaidens are showing toward their mothers. Those same mothers, in whose wombs they grew, and out of whose bodies they were born. In great pain. Shame. Shame. Shame.
My God, yes, the pain!
They need to deny reality but unfortunately the truth is not mutable nor are facts no matter whether they can face it or not or what bizarre propositions they try to make others believe. They have no experience of womanhood, no respect for same and are entirely egocentric. It’s a delusion and mental health issue. Because they don’t do the work of birthing and nurturing it simply doesn’t exist. This is the result of long term Oppression of women and our reality. They’re fantasists who’ve let their basest behaviour and perversions rule them and tantrum and manipulate when others won’t coddle them because they’ve , as usual with men, gone too far and are the hitting boundaries of reality and decency. I suppose it’s just one of many spheres this is occurring finally where bourgeoise elite bs and fetishs go to far against the people they exploit propagandise and abuse. Nutters who truly believe their own bs.
Spoke to a young relative about Brighton. They had read the smoke bomb was thrown by our side. Friends apparently believe the same. Asked what I thought Posie was doing. Very unaware of facts and seemed shattered by the facts.
Felt like a no Father Christmas/ no tooth fairy conversation re “born in wrong body” and the gay rights movement. The harm this corruption and dishonesty have done to our young people is massive.
Posie- thank you for your clarity of thinking and strategy. Next- how can we help young people?
Sadly the TRAs do nothing but lie and slur. There’s no honesty. Women photographing and recording the incidents that happened can show which side was vicious, noisy, threatening, abusive and arrested! We also have to remember it was an event in a public place so members of the public did join in, but the black pampers were obviously on their side, with their “queer” pink n black flags causing disruption and intimidation at the v least.
The dishonesty from those in public office needs to stop. Can’t be a public servant and a TRA
That activist bloke looks like Edvard Monk’s ‘The Scream’. I wonder if he’d think that was a good or a bad thing?
Just noticed I mis-named Munch; it’s what you get for posting in the middle of the night.
At least (I hope) I won’t face an inquisition / be arrested / lose my job for it, as I very well could be if I’d accidentally mis-gendered someone!
There’s a meme of that v image with Charlie’s face on it
The middle class students cosplaying antifascist know they are safe from harm by targeting this event. I have seen antifash years ago in running street battles with the NF when the bastards marched in my city. BOTH sides were violent, throwing punches and bottles.. They can act out their poundland ninja, freedom warrior fantasy without any fear of retaliation because they are targeting of non violent women who just want to speak What happened lads?
Keep smoking them out Posie x
Just gangs who want a rumble, only I suspect the antifa gangs are being funded by certain billionaires and are being blessed by members of government. I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true of the NF gang.
"One of the funniest things was seeing someone with the sign ‘TRANS PEOPLE JUST WANT TO EXIST IN PEACE” while shouting over women trying to speak."
Indeed. But rather more disturbing was that they were stood next to a sign saying "Combat TERF hate" with a picture of a "Community defence" petrol bomb. The aggression is one-sided.
This makes me SO PROUD to be a Terf! Well done you women! You were all amazing!
"Trans rights activists are homophobic, racist thugs ..."
You're being too charitable ...
Too many of them are crazier than shithouse rats. Largely what happens when people get disabused of their illusions and delusions.
Thanks everyone for all the "Likes" - warms the cockles of me heart, it does ... 😉🙂
But ran across a quote of Hannah Arendt the other day which seems a rather "pointed" criticism of all the transloonie nutcases and their rather odious ilk:
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.”
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8110811-the-ideal-subject-of-totalitarian-rule-is-not-the-convinced
That is basically what those nutcases are trying mightily to do: completely obviate, discard, and obliterate any and all "distinctions between true and false". Not on my watch.
It's not racist to stand up for Palestinians. Stretching it a bit there, Graham.
Throwing glitter into dreads is racist AF.
While I would concur that it's unfair to ascribe a racist motive without more definitive proof or context, describing committing an act of public vandalism in the UK as "standing up for Palestinians" is a bit of a stretch too.
He's certainly not the kind of supporter most decent Palestinians would want.
people who support Palestine but would call a Muslim woman a bigot for wanting sex-segregation can fucking do one.
Still not proof of antisemitism. Antisemitism has been dishonestly weaponised enough by unscrupulous politicians and other smearers in recent years. Don't jump on the sordid bandwagon..
This doesn't have to be about looking for 'proof'. Definitive evidence of support for a particular ideology or prejudice will usually emerge. It's more important to pay attention to what people say and how they behave. Think about their motives and what that might imply. Of course there are people who claim to support the Palestinian people, whilst not actually caring about their circumstances and well-being, etc. Their faux support is concealment for antisemitism. They're aware it's not going to be looked into too deeply. After all, they're supporting a group of people, some of whom are discriminated against and oppressed. But in this instance, they're a useful adjunct that enables them to express supposedly legitimate grievance against another group of people, one they don't like.
From this specific perspective, it's similar to men claiming to support trans rights, particularly the rights of transgender women. A minority might believe this is what they're doing, regardless of how skewed their understanding of what's happening is. They're informed and influenced by the 'war against trans rights' narrative. But most of these men simply don't like women. It's why they're out in force against the 'bigots'. Enjoying opportunity, freedom, support and approval. And they retain it, regardless of how threatening and abusive they are. Pointing to a much wider misogyny.
"Their faux support is concealment for antisemitism". This, with regards to "Storm Rayner", is, at best, conjecture. It may be true for some activists, for others not. The label "antisemite" should be reserved for people we know are antisemitic, otherwise we are behaving little better than those for whom "transphobe" is the insult of choice for anyone they despise.
Automatically conflating justified criticism of Israel's behaviour with antisemitism is very effective narrative manipulation. That's why the state of Israel and its defenders do it.
Thanks for covering all of this, Graham. I think its going to be up to us to identify the physio-therapy cures to help connect ill people to their bodies. That should be the first steps of treatment. James Esses, Az Hakeem, Maya Forstatter and so many others we know now, thanks to your writing. Best regards, Ute Heggen
I get it.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/may/26/emily-davison-suffragette-death-derby-1913
No, but it's the cause du jour for some really vile people or just those simpering along who know nothing about the region, nothing about the people and feast on virtue-signalling outrage all day, every day. It spreads hatred and ignorance, whilst screeching about tolerance and inclusivity. Some people really love a cause, any cause and want a rammy. Look at the incidents caused in Leicester, spread by social media and people travelling to cause a stink. I know Palestinians who refuse to say where they are from because of this and it's genuinely dangerous.
I almost avoid those with flags on their profiles as it often means they know less than anyone else but pretend the reverse, it's really hard to tell online and it's so easy to whip things up when trying to 'be good' and 'on the right side of history'.
Defending the racist behaviour of the apartheid state of Israel with dishonest antisemitism accusations and smears is also a popular cause de jour, amongst a different, no less vile and often explicitly racist demographic.
You're definitely going off the map there - the ethnic demographic of Israel as compared to the Palestinian territories makes pretty clear that it's not racist or an apartheid state. I've not heard a convincing argument otherwise and far wiser people than us on both sides have been making the case for several decades now.
The "weaponising antisemitism" claim handwaves away the serious concerns that many Jews had at the last General Election about the Labour Party. It's a bit absurd to suggest that Jews didn't do at least some degree of research before deciding whether or not Corbyn was, as Dan Hodges put it, an "enabler for antisemites". Some Rabbis gave up their Labour Party membership (https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/rabbis-letter-labour-antisemitism-1.467264) while other Rabbis campaigned on behalf of the party (https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/liberal-judaisms-rabbi-danny-rich-stands-by-labour-for-now/). The old adage about "two Jews, three opinions" applies here.
What is true, is that LGB (and even T) rights in Israel are better than anywhere else in the Middle East - so much so that Israel is usually the first asylum port of call for gay Palestinians. Standing up for the rights of a state that likes to throw its gays off the top of buildings while criticising a tolerant liberal democracy full of Jews does seem incongruous, to say the least.
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077291879/israel-apartheid-state-amnesty-international
Amnesty are discredited by their appalling trans stance and propaganda on many things. But you knew that right?
I'm not sure that being unable to recognise and acknowledge blatant ethnic cleansing does anyone credit either.
Neil, please stop, this is not the place. You are hammering your points home and seem determined in a very particular way. Doing this online or anyone doing so aggressively offline it is not helping.
Thanks for your comment. IMO, my replies have been concise responses to other people's responses and not aggressive at all. I simply think it's important not to use the accusation of antisemitism as a casual, unsupported insult.
Who was doing that here? You've done exactly what I was describing. Deliberately taking an oppositional stance. I'm not sure who here is doing what you have suggested above, but yet you wrote it. I've spoken about those from the place, yet still you are stirring. This is not the place, and that women's event was also not the place.
I don't think he was replying to you, from the look of the "reply lines" at the left side of the text.
It was a reply directly to me, I had a notification to say that.
My apologies!
I understand Graham is referring to incidents where smoke bombs were thrown at a black woman speaking, and glitter was thrown at our marvellous poet Aja! To try to ruin her dreadlocks. Graham knows what he’s talking about. Those protestors were also heard implying homophobia too. Captured on video by Aja.
"Oh, and his previous trouble was related to…guess what? Those darn Jews! Can’t wait to see arch-anti-Semitism busters Aaron Rabinowitz and Aiden Comerford get onto this case!"
Was going to say the same.
I do not want to get into discussions about Israel and Palestine with people who get their "news" from the BBC, PBS, the Guardian, etc. I want people to either read Miko Peled's book -- he was a colonel in the IDF, his father a general -- or listen to one of the videos on youtube. He can hardly be accused of antisemitism, but is a truth-teller which I believe many people on this substack think they are as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ
It's not but the guy will hide behind any cause to justify his thuggery.
I would say the best way to stand up for Palestinians is to send money to charities that do look after ordinary Palestinians.
"Graham Norton defends interviewing JK Rowling"
He has to "defend" the interview?
Appalling, isn't it?
That's how media rhetoric works. They presuppose their value judgements as "objective matters" that don't need to be argued.
Thus e.g. instead of asking, "Is J K Rowling transphobic? And is there such a thing as being transphobic anyway?", they ask, "What are we going to do about Rowling's transphobia?"
Also note the implied community of "Graham Norton defends..." Yes good old Graham is one of the "responsible folk" or was until he invited in that "monster" Rowling!
The glitter chucker has also been identified today,
Thanks for these windows into the Brighton event. Its a relief to see the thin crowd of TRAs, loud though they were. Gender dysphoria is a maladaptive response to trauma, abuse and sexism. We are born with one body only. What a violent religion the "sexologists" have promoted!
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Gender "dysphoria" is also an expression of privileged entitlement.
Agreed. The indoctrination at university attests to that as well.
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And the "apology".
She's apologised to her supporters, not the people abused.
https://twitter.com/Urusai_naaa/status/1572182358287331328
She's sorry she made the team look bad with her outburst.
That poor, wide-eyed little mite looked completely baffled. She came to gawp at all the new colours and sounds in her bright dungarees, occasionally burp and point at things, make incoherent noises and grin as she soiled herself.
And then that baby showed up to spoil Carly-May Kavanagh's day.
Porn addled about nails it!
Anyone seen this footage of guy being arrested?
https://youtu.be/DytT9oEhiaI
https://youtu.be/t-VFYK2Uzrw
https://youtu.be/oooW1vxkYJc
Frequently, but strictly for pleasure 😉
The Andy Ngo clip caught the attempted "de-arrest" most clearly (third link after 3min), That's also why he had to be carried. The Police were also recording their own evidence and the very recognisable tall chap with the bad haircut is someone who was lucky not to find himself in a van.
I was not there unfortunately but did it look like the police are finally doing their job?