💯He NEVER use the word woman. Did he? He NEVER refers to women's right either. Exactly the same way that people who wrote the Yogyakarta principle did: erase the word woman from any discussion and spit on their right by denying it.
That after Nancy whatsherface did the whole "if you don't roll over and let men take all your rights you're literally Hitler" on the BBC, there's no-one left that can be trusted to open their mouth without making things worse?
No, Justin! This is not just about women being harmed, this is about our DIGNITY and our PRIVACY too. It is obscene for MALES to be in our intimate, public spaces and this new idea that it is perfectly acceptable now, is wrong, wrong, WRONG! Women MATTER. I matter, AS a woman, and I am on a 'urinary leash' here in Torquay and across Torbay, because ALL our public toilets in Torquay are now unisex...and this is happening right across Torbay. So, if you're reading this, and Benjamin Cohen too, stop making out that women MUST bow down to what Transworld is saying. I used to be very tolerant of Trans folks, indeed, but this endless BULLYING of women, the threats of these younger males, and the young females, demanding our words are wiped out, that we are just a bunch of organs, not Mothers/Sisters/Daughters/Grandmothers/WOMEN...has made me be in a state of permanent anger towards this campaign.
Trans 'women' (and I loathe using 'woman/women' for them, are MALES, they are MEN.
Trans 'men' (and I'm sure men hate that too) are WOMEN.
These folks want to change society in every way, to suit ONLY their weird views on life, with total disregard for truth, for biology, for science! They want children put on life-changing, life-altering, dangerous drugs, ASAP, to stop their puberty...I mean THAT ALONE shows you how NUTS this all is, and indoctrinate them into thinking they're in the wrong body, filling their minds with sexual matters, sexuality matters, pronouns, endless gender feckwittery, it's like The Lunatics have taken over everywhere, in education, in the NHS, in govt, in all political Parties, the police, the justice system, companies, corporations, everyone kowtowing to Transism, like Mao forced the Chinese to bow to his weird outlook on life, using students in the same way, getting them to hate adults, to hate the past, etc...
These dreadful bigots and fascists, who are ruining people's lives left, right and centre, and enjoying doing this too, (!!!) call anyone who disagrees with them by these names, when THEY are the ones who are thus!
I've NEVER lived in a time of such evil and such odious stupidity and lunancy, where INSANITY is being sold as SANITY, where Mafia Style Protection Rackets force everyone to be a part OF their 'racket', or face dire consequences!
I'm fed up with PRIDE, with all the perverts/paedophiles and predators now flooding those marches, pushing gay men and women (especially gay women) OUT, whilst they prance around in next to nothing, in front of children, whilst these perverts dress up as dogs in leather, coo cooing over little children, whose stupid parents have taken them to view Deviants R Us on parade...
John Trudell used to say 'Use your intelligence intelligently', bless him, but all I see now is dumbed down deviants who think they can run the world to THEIR way of life..
Well, this woman is NOT having it.
I'm sick of them insulting gay folks, sick of their homophobia, their evil misogyny, their desire to cause as much harm to women as they can, making us worry all the time! I'm sick of the male rights activists within this movement, and I'm sick of those I call The Good Trans & True, who would NEVER seek to harm women, to intrude in our spaces, to remove our privacy, our dignity, being tarred with the same brush as these Fooking Delinquents on Steroids!
Well done to Simon.
Ben was EXACTLY as I'd imagined he'd be....
And Justin, get real, because we women are NOT having ANY of this bullshit ANY longer!
We're done!
NO COMPROMISE on Women/Girl's Rights, NONE
NO COMPROMISE on The Safeguarding of Children, NONE
Get this ideology OUT of ALL schools, forever, cut sex ed RIGHT back and just let children BE children, keeping them safe and as carefree as possible, not weighed down with genders/sexuality/and those with porn filled minds, desperate to get closer and closer to children, for their own, sick purposes.
WAKE UP WORLD and WAKE UP FAST!
And yes, you're right, all reading this, Hell Hath NO FURY Like A Woman Deprived Of Her Single Sex Public Toilets.
yep what haunts me the most is all the female children and teens going through things that we can't protect them from because the internet amplified the voices of sexual predators hiding behind the rainbow flag...that these little girls don't even have the right to go in a girls bathroom and feel safe, or change in the locker room after gym class, or God forbid shower without being sexually violated. No way in hell would I have a female child in public school right now, hell no never, until this gets worked out and the grown ups take back control of culture (which will happen if we repeal section 230, break up the big platforms, and regulate the internet like a utility.)
It's not often discussed as there's no sexual predation factor but yeah, I'm not too keen on trans 'men' pissing all over my identity as a man. But as they're not nicking our places in every facet of society it's no biggie.
Doesn't mean men are on-board with the nonsense though. Quite the opposite.
I loved the bit where Justin challenged his assumption that Justin was a "cis het male" (or some such nonsense) Doesn't that class as phobic, according to Stonewall?
Wow, that was much worse than I was expecting. It’s a shame though that Justin Webb wasn’t made aware of the times Stonewall has explicitly called for the removal of single-sex Equality Act exemptions. It was in their response to the GRA reform consultation so this is hardly a point of contention (https://womansplaceuk.org/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions/).
I know I've seen a more recent SW aim mentioning the removal of single sex exceptions and also the revoking of the laws around sex by deception but can't find them. I really want to message the show about this: any idea where to find them? I've looked at SW's website. Can't see anything there.
In their “Vision for Change: 2017-2022” document, in the sections headed “Equality Act” on pages 30 & 33 they don’t state it so explicitly but it’s obvious it’s what they want:
“The Equality Act also allows trans people to be treated differently in particular situations … [such as] accessing single-sex services… This means that trans people in these areas are not protected from discrimination and harassment in the way other people are.” (p30)
“Stonewall will advocate for the removal of all instances of permitted discrimination of trans people from the Act” (p33)
(Just noticed this document is also mentioned on the WPUK page.)
In Stonewall’s response (in November 2020) to the Government’s response to the GRA reform consultation, it appears Stonewall have wised-up to how bad this looks, so they try to fudge it and say ‘oh but it wouldn’t have changed anything for single-sex services’ (paras 61–66).
That's never going to get old is it
I've listened to it 4 times and sent it to quite a lot of people :D
"This is a debate about trans issues without a single trans voice". No, it's a debate about women's rights without any women.
I think Justin Webb missed a chance to ask why BC didn’t turn it down in favour of a trans person since he’s so keen their voices be hard.
And he managed to make it about him, in true narcissist style.
💯He NEVER use the word woman. Did he? He NEVER refers to women's right either. Exactly the same way that people who wrote the Yogyakarta principle did: erase the word woman from any discussion and spit on their right by denying it.
Stonewall declined to send anyone - what does that tell you 🤦♀️
That after Nancy whatsherface did the whole "if you don't roll over and let men take all your rights you're literally Hitler" on the BBC, there's no-one left that can be trusted to open their mouth without making things worse?
Reminds me of when our Republicans wanted to discuss women's issues without one woman in their midst.
Oath!
No, Justin! This is not just about women being harmed, this is about our DIGNITY and our PRIVACY too. It is obscene for MALES to be in our intimate, public spaces and this new idea that it is perfectly acceptable now, is wrong, wrong, WRONG! Women MATTER. I matter, AS a woman, and I am on a 'urinary leash' here in Torquay and across Torbay, because ALL our public toilets in Torquay are now unisex...and this is happening right across Torbay. So, if you're reading this, and Benjamin Cohen too, stop making out that women MUST bow down to what Transworld is saying. I used to be very tolerant of Trans folks, indeed, but this endless BULLYING of women, the threats of these younger males, and the young females, demanding our words are wiped out, that we are just a bunch of organs, not Mothers/Sisters/Daughters/Grandmothers/WOMEN...has made me be in a state of permanent anger towards this campaign.
Trans 'women' (and I loathe using 'woman/women' for them, are MALES, they are MEN.
Trans 'men' (and I'm sure men hate that too) are WOMEN.
These folks want to change society in every way, to suit ONLY their weird views on life, with total disregard for truth, for biology, for science! They want children put on life-changing, life-altering, dangerous drugs, ASAP, to stop their puberty...I mean THAT ALONE shows you how NUTS this all is, and indoctrinate them into thinking they're in the wrong body, filling their minds with sexual matters, sexuality matters, pronouns, endless gender feckwittery, it's like The Lunatics have taken over everywhere, in education, in the NHS, in govt, in all political Parties, the police, the justice system, companies, corporations, everyone kowtowing to Transism, like Mao forced the Chinese to bow to his weird outlook on life, using students in the same way, getting them to hate adults, to hate the past, etc...
These dreadful bigots and fascists, who are ruining people's lives left, right and centre, and enjoying doing this too, (!!!) call anyone who disagrees with them by these names, when THEY are the ones who are thus!
I've NEVER lived in a time of such evil and such odious stupidity and lunancy, where INSANITY is being sold as SANITY, where Mafia Style Protection Rackets force everyone to be a part OF their 'racket', or face dire consequences!
I'm fed up with PRIDE, with all the perverts/paedophiles and predators now flooding those marches, pushing gay men and women (especially gay women) OUT, whilst they prance around in next to nothing, in front of children, whilst these perverts dress up as dogs in leather, coo cooing over little children, whose stupid parents have taken them to view Deviants R Us on parade...
John Trudell used to say 'Use your intelligence intelligently', bless him, but all I see now is dumbed down deviants who think they can run the world to THEIR way of life..
Well, this woman is NOT having it.
I'm sick of them insulting gay folks, sick of their homophobia, their evil misogyny, their desire to cause as much harm to women as they can, making us worry all the time! I'm sick of the male rights activists within this movement, and I'm sick of those I call The Good Trans & True, who would NEVER seek to harm women, to intrude in our spaces, to remove our privacy, our dignity, being tarred with the same brush as these Fooking Delinquents on Steroids!
Well done to Simon.
Ben was EXACTLY as I'd imagined he'd be....
And Justin, get real, because we women are NOT having ANY of this bullshit ANY longer!
We're done!
NO COMPROMISE on Women/Girl's Rights, NONE
NO COMPROMISE on The Safeguarding of Children, NONE
Get this ideology OUT of ALL schools, forever, cut sex ed RIGHT back and just let children BE children, keeping them safe and as carefree as possible, not weighed down with genders/sexuality/and those with porn filled minds, desperate to get closer and closer to children, for their own, sick purposes.
WAKE UP WORLD and WAKE UP FAST!
And yes, you're right, all reading this, Hell Hath NO FURY Like A Woman Deprived Of Her Single Sex Public Toilets.
We're done with you, Transworld
We are absolutely DONE!
Ellen - what you said ✔️👏👏👏👏
Wow. Yes! I love every word!
💪👏👏👏👏
yep what haunts me the most is all the female children and teens going through things that we can't protect them from because the internet amplified the voices of sexual predators hiding behind the rainbow flag...that these little girls don't even have the right to go in a girls bathroom and feel safe, or change in the locker room after gym class, or God forbid shower without being sexually violated. No way in hell would I have a female child in public school right now, hell no never, until this gets worked out and the grown ups take back control of culture (which will happen if we repeal section 230, break up the big platforms, and regulate the internet like a utility.)
It's not often discussed as there's no sexual predation factor but yeah, I'm not too keen on trans 'men' pissing all over my identity as a man. But as they're not nicking our places in every facet of society it's no biggie.
Doesn't mean men are on-board with the nonsense though. Quite the opposite.
Excellent! 😆😆
Clear and coherent point made by Fanshawe. Cohen? Well, I've given eels a bath that were less slippery.
I loved the bit where Justin challenged his assumption that Justin was a "cis het male" (or some such nonsense) Doesn't that class as phobic, according to Stonewall?
oh, it was so funny. I hate Webb but that was inspired.
Can you tell us why - out of curiosity? I'm not familiar with him
My apologies to BC, BC said Justin wasn't Trans, which JW pulled him up on (you don't know about me".
BC did not use the words "cis" or "het" to JW.
My favourite bit.
This is golden - I nearly lost a mouthful of coffee when I heard it.
Simon Fanshawe was terrific.
Wow, that was much worse than I was expecting. It’s a shame though that Justin Webb wasn’t made aware of the times Stonewall has explicitly called for the removal of single-sex Equality Act exemptions. It was in their response to the GRA reform consultation so this is hardly a point of contention (https://womansplaceuk.org/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions/).
Justin has since clarified on Twitter. He wants more reasoned debate. I'm looking forward to it
Thanks. For others interested, here: https://twitter.com/JustinOnWeb/statuses/1402183958859812865
He retweeted James Kirkup re the EA
I know I've seen a more recent SW aim mentioning the removal of single sex exceptions and also the revoking of the laws around sex by deception but can't find them. I really want to message the show about this: any idea where to find them? I've looked at SW's website. Can't see anything there.
In their “Vision for Change: 2017-2022” document, in the sections headed “Equality Act” on pages 30 & 33 they don’t state it so explicitly but it’s obvious it’s what they want:
“The Equality Act also allows trans people to be treated differently in particular situations … [such as] accessing single-sex services… This means that trans people in these areas are not protected from discrimination and harassment in the way other people are.” (p30)
“Stonewall will advocate for the removal of all instances of permitted discrimination of trans people from the Act” (p33)
Thanks very much for these links. Or ammunition.
No problem! You might also like James Kirkup’s thread about this, here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004635839480164352.html
(Just noticed this document is also mentioned on the WPUK page.)
In Stonewall’s response (in November 2020) to the Government’s response to the GRA reform consultation, it appears Stonewall have wised-up to how bad this looks, so they try to fudge it and say ‘oh but it wouldn’t have changed anything for single-sex services’ (paras 61–66).
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/17743/pdf/
Whoops, forgot the link. https://www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/a_vision_for_change.pdf
I imagine twitter has been quick to let him know.
I just took a glimpse and it’s being made pretty clear on there! Astonishingly Cohen seems to think this went well for him.
Narcissists are always the least self-aware.
Heard this! Laughed myself silly! Talk about destroying ones own credibility! Superb! And Simon Fanshawe was excellent.
I don't know, I think he was very successful at peaking a few folk! 😉
Excruciating. Word salad.
With a side of dissembling dressing.
Fair cheered me and my GC group up 😂
I listened to it this morning and couldn't stop laughing. That bloke's a gift, but not in the way he thinks. Simon F. certainly did us proud.
OMG! a narc rage in the open and witnessed by millions of people who must have thought they were hearing things..it was delicious!
Hahaha nothing makes a coherent argument like inarticulate, impotent rage 😂😂😂
But Simon Fanshawe in contrast was a clear sane rational voice, he was great 💕
Sweet Jesus! 🤯 I think my toes curled so hard, they’ve snapped clean off.😬
And well done to Justin for keeping Ben in check.
TRAs: Transwomen just want to be treated like any other woman!
BBC: Ok, transwomen, go make a sandwich while the men discuss what legal rights you can have
TRAs: No, not like that! We meant the communal showers and all-women shortlists!
https://twitter.com/KathyBurke/