The obfuscation makes this SO much worse. Does govt. and large corporate have serious financial gains to make from this or something? Why go through so many hurdles to makes sure this issue bypasses everyone?
Our general public are just nodding their head with a smile, it's madness.
The stifling of free speech is terrifying and devastating. The only place on the internet that wouldn't censor this type of colaborative investigation for "hate" is Kiwifarms, and the TRAs wage a constant campaign to have it deprived of the structures it needs to run. Last week they spent a load of energy and money DDoS-ing it in an attempt to take it down. They've succeeded in making normal people think it is a hive of Nazism. Meanwhile individual activists are at the mercy of big corporations -substack here is the recipient of sporadic campaigns to get Glinner deplatformed, and youtube holds the power over gender critical voices like Karen Davies. The reddit purge is famous.
The good news is, two athletes in the Olympics pretending to be true and honest laydees is better than one. Men in all nations care about things like medal tallies and I can't wait for the unfairness to be not just against women (who cares, right?) but directly affecting their own national team.
If I was an up-and-coming young female athlete, I would find this so deflating. The point of training hard and giving it everything you've got is that you have a shot at the top spot in competition. If young women have to now factor in the possibility of males entering their categories, what exactly is the point?
And both these examples (Hubbard & Barrett) are much older than their competitors. They've had a massive lifetime of benefits from testosterone. Lowering it in accordance with IOC rules is just box-ticking, the advantage remains regardless.
Cheating by any other name.
You can bet if these males bring home medals, every country is going to start scouting for them.
The cynic in me suggests that having male prisoners in women's prisons or incidents of assault by males in women's spaces will just go in the news as part of the constant background drip of violence against women and won't outrage enough people quickly enough. However, I think the presence of male athletes in female divisions at the Olympics may actually be something that peaks a lot of people. It's highly visible, people care about sport (sometimes a lot) and the concept of fairness is key. So part of me is almost thinking: the more there are, and the more outrageous the cheat, the harder it is to ignore or excuse away.
The mainstream media's intentional obfuscation when reporting about "trans identified" males & XY DSD athletes horning in on women's sports is appalling. It's like all press outlets & so-called journalists have signed a pact to deceive the public.
Good work. I searched for hours to find out if this was a woman. Like you all I found were some vids but the voice clips were so short I couldn't really tell by the voice.
Some pictures looked really masculine whereas others looked pretty fem.
Thanks for the brilliant detective work, Nutmeg. No Canadian news outlet has reported this, at least that I've found. So another talented woman has been erased to make way for a man, and all female archers now have to contend against records set by a man. I'm so disgusted.
I’ve loved the Olympics since I was a little pony mad girl, watching my heroes show-jumping in Los Angeles. I’ve always watched, and I love discovering and getting obsessed with slightly obscure sports. I love the ceremonies. I love the stories of grit and determination, overcoming obstacles, heartbreak and bad luck, comebacks and almost never weres.
It’s never been perfect, of course. Remember it was only in London in 2012 that women were able to compete in all the sports, and also it was the first time that all the participating countries fielded women.
2012 was the first Olympiad to actually have full female representation
And now this? Less than ten years to roll back that massive achievement and make sure that women don’t get a fair go again.
I fear the men taking women's places in these Olympics will be framed by most liberal media as "well, it's just a couple, isn't it nice that we're being inclusive." As ever, women are expected to budge over and be support humans.
The issue is the trans athletes have done nothing wrong. They have kept to all the rules. The fact that they're competing in a female category and it's unfair is irrelevant. I remember reading the rep of IOC saying a while back that the rules weren't about fairness, they were about inclusivity. Possibly the second person has a GRC.
How can the IOC rules be changed so it is fair to females? It's already clear that male advantage persists past 3 yrs of suppressing testosterone.
I’d be so disillusioned and devastated if I was a female athlete… What even is the point? It’s rigged against you before you even try 😞
The obfuscation makes this SO much worse. Does govt. and large corporate have serious financial gains to make from this or something? Why go through so many hurdles to makes sure this issue bypasses everyone?
Our general public are just nodding their head with a smile, it's madness.
The stifling of free speech is terrifying and devastating. The only place on the internet that wouldn't censor this type of colaborative investigation for "hate" is Kiwifarms, and the TRAs wage a constant campaign to have it deprived of the structures it needs to run. Last week they spent a load of energy and money DDoS-ing it in an attempt to take it down. They've succeeded in making normal people think it is a hive of Nazism. Meanwhile individual activists are at the mercy of big corporations -substack here is the recipient of sporadic campaigns to get Glinner deplatformed, and youtube holds the power over gender critical voices like Karen Davies. The reddit purge is famous.
The good news is, two athletes in the Olympics pretending to be true and honest laydees is better than one. Men in all nations care about things like medal tallies and I can't wait for the unfairness to be not just against women (who cares, right?) but directly affecting their own national team.
They can run but they can't hide from Nutmeg's and JL's sleuthing skills 😉
Kudos once more for a job done proper ✌
If I was an up-and-coming young female athlete, I would find this so deflating. The point of training hard and giving it everything you've got is that you have a shot at the top spot in competition. If young women have to now factor in the possibility of males entering their categories, what exactly is the point?
And both these examples (Hubbard & Barrett) are much older than their competitors. They've had a massive lifetime of benefits from testosterone. Lowering it in accordance with IOC rules is just box-ticking, the advantage remains regardless.
Cheating by any other name.
You can bet if these males bring home medals, every country is going to start scouting for them.
The cynic in me suggests that having male prisoners in women's prisons or incidents of assault by males in women's spaces will just go in the news as part of the constant background drip of violence against women and won't outrage enough people quickly enough. However, I think the presence of male athletes in female divisions at the Olympics may actually be something that peaks a lot of people. It's highly visible, people care about sport (sometimes a lot) and the concept of fairness is key. So part of me is almost thinking: the more there are, and the more outrageous the cheat, the harder it is to ignore or excuse away.
The mainstream media's intentional obfuscation when reporting about "trans identified" males & XY DSD athletes horning in on women's sports is appalling. It's like all press outlets & so-called journalists have signed a pact to deceive the public.
There are real world consequences for women when the biological differences between men and women are ignored.
Good work. I searched for hours to find out if this was a woman. Like you all I found were some vids but the voice clips were so short I couldn't really tell by the voice.
Some pictures looked really masculine whereas others looked pretty fem.
Theyve really covered themselves.
Ffs
Oh FFS! Again?!?
Thanks for the brilliant detective work, Nutmeg. No Canadian news outlet has reported this, at least that I've found. So another talented woman has been erased to make way for a man, and all female archers now have to contend against records set by a man. I'm so disgusted.
Brilliant post on Mumsnet about this:
Yesterday 19:48
Sophoclesthefox
I’ve loved the Olympics since I was a little pony mad girl, watching my heroes show-jumping in Los Angeles. I’ve always watched, and I love discovering and getting obsessed with slightly obscure sports. I love the ceremonies. I love the stories of grit and determination, overcoming obstacles, heartbreak and bad luck, comebacks and almost never weres.
It’s never been perfect, of course. Remember it was only in London in 2012 that women were able to compete in all the sports, and also it was the first time that all the participating countries fielded women.
2012 was the first Olympiad to actually have full female representation
And now this? Less than ten years to roll back that massive achievement and make sure that women don’t get a fair go again.
Balls to you, IOC, you mimsy quisling fucks.
I fear the men taking women's places in these Olympics will be framed by most liberal media as "well, it's just a couple, isn't it nice that we're being inclusive." As ever, women are expected to budge over and be support humans.
I am so fucking angry about that Toronto Star article I don't know what to do with myself.
The issue is the trans athletes have done nothing wrong. They have kept to all the rules. The fact that they're competing in a female category and it's unfair is irrelevant. I remember reading the rep of IOC saying a while back that the rules weren't about fairness, they were about inclusivity. Possibly the second person has a GRC.
How can the IOC rules be changed so it is fair to females? It's already clear that male advantage persists past 3 yrs of suppressing testosterone.