Looking forward to watching this. I think you and Sasha are both great.
I really hope you can box up the Jesse/Katie thing in some way. I listened to their podcast and I have to say they were so wrong about you...they were smug, misleading, and desperate to gain credibility for themselves by undermining someone else (and someone else whose views are, clearly, far closer to their views than TRAs’).
At the same time, I think we need to be prepared for more of this stuff as gender critical thinking continues to catch on. We will see more people wanting to show they understand the damage that gender identity ideology is causing while, simultaneously, hoping to sidestep the onslaught that comes with being seen to go “full terf” (a vain hope, of course). Sadly, I think being shoved in the direction of the bus wheels probably comes with the territory of being someone who saw through this stuff early on and has maintained a clear, consistent line.
As an ‘early adopter’ of gender critical thinking, when you see someone like Jesse/Katie coming for you, Graham, I hope that you can focus on the fact that it’s voices like yours that have created the space for more reluctant and hesitant voices like theirs to be heard, and take something positive from the fact that, in the end, the more people critiquing gender ideology, the better.
This was excellent Graham. I wish everyone could hear your very clear explanation of how setting up TW as a protected or sacred class is very similar to how priests were viewed. I wish that even those who have no interest other than to be supportive to trans identified people (and who are not worried about the effect on women or children eg Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar etc.) would listen to this and think about it. Priests as a whole class, including many many innocent and good men, have been irretrievably tarnished by the failure to treat one class of people as simply human and as much in need of the oversight of safeguarding authorities, as any other group.
thanks! this is a long listen but graham goes over the way gc issues have been reported. he clearly argues that basic gc ideas are not in any way extremist, such as women's spaces free from men, women's sport for women only - and highlighting how seriously warped sissyporn/fetishism is being mainstreamed by the 'trans' lobby- (-women's book prize and certain academics), and so much more.
i ignored researching gc ideas for so long - because i just took for granted the bullying that women receive when they stick their necks out (jkr etc), and not appreciating how vicious the attacks on women and men who stand up to this 'shouty' mob are. i was guilty of doing nothing.
now that the mob has moved to changing the laws, here and elsewhere, its time to go out and talk to friends/associates -straight women (not feminists), who know nothing of the mad plans of the gender identity mob.
Next time someone calls me a Terf and I feel the need to reply I shall remember what you said that most GC feminists are not Trans Exclusive, because we include trans identified females, we are Male Exclusive.
You are right, Graham, misogyny and entiltlement is at the heart of the cover up. Those features of trans culture are the things that make it so much of a cover-up. Cancel culture is terrifying and to question the issues is seen as heresy by the cancel culture - Look into the case of Richard Stallman, a great and respected computer programmer. Cancelled, returned, and was almost cancelled again for no other reason than that he criticised jeffrey Epstein. The media were twisting his words and accepting everything the cancel culture said while ignoring the real facts. Overt Fetishes and perversion are being presented to the public as normal
This is absolutely stellar. Both of you are great. That thing you identified at the end -- the "do it to Julia" effect -- is called "the ingrouping heuristic." Journalists are probably far more subject to it than the rest of us because they speak with power all the time. Journalism has framed its own existence as an elite profession that checks other elites. Katie and Jesse may not have been readmitted to the inner circle of ideology but they did get to feel better about their own elite-ness.
last night I watched the netflix movie "what the health" and this guy does a great job of showing how the lobbies dominate the organizations that are supposed to be fighting heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. I got chills when he went into pharma in the second part of the film. everyone concerned about this issue should watch that movie. He showed a graph that shows pharma is the biggest lobby by like an astronomical amount, over the other three biggest ones (guns and some other stuff)...the bar graph looked like the Empire state building looming over a few walmarts. It was really an "aha" moment seeing how these animal product industries and the drug industry are lobbying to keep people sick and then sell them drugs to not cure but maintain their life.
When I watched this guy showing how evil, criminal, and corrupt this is, I kept thinking 'but would they do this to children?'...he demonstrated how type one diabetes may be caused in kids by dairy products....the answer is of course they would. I'm convinced now after watching this film, particularly the second half about the pharmaceutical industry, that Big Pharma is driving the child transition movement. THEY are the ones who have everything to gain...20k a year on cross sex hormones for the lifespan of every child they transition.
I'm stunned speechless watching the GOP turn down the obscene amount of money from big pharma in the US ... this is kind of unheard of for the GOP to not take the money...
Looking forward to watching this. I think you and Sasha are both great.
I really hope you can box up the Jesse/Katie thing in some way. I listened to their podcast and I have to say they were so wrong about you...they were smug, misleading, and desperate to gain credibility for themselves by undermining someone else (and someone else whose views are, clearly, far closer to their views than TRAs’).
At the same time, I think we need to be prepared for more of this stuff as gender critical thinking continues to catch on. We will see more people wanting to show they understand the damage that gender identity ideology is causing while, simultaneously, hoping to sidestep the onslaught that comes with being seen to go “full terf” (a vain hope, of course). Sadly, I think being shoved in the direction of the bus wheels probably comes with the territory of being someone who saw through this stuff early on and has maintained a clear, consistent line.
As an ‘early adopter’ of gender critical thinking, when you see someone like Jesse/Katie coming for you, Graham, I hope that you can focus on the fact that it’s voices like yours that have created the space for more reluctant and hesitant voices like theirs to be heard, and take something positive from the fact that, in the end, the more people critiquing gender ideology, the better.
This was excellent Graham. I wish everyone could hear your very clear explanation of how setting up TW as a protected or sacred class is very similar to how priests were viewed. I wish that even those who have no interest other than to be supportive to trans identified people (and who are not worried about the effect on women or children eg Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar etc.) would listen to this and think about it. Priests as a whole class, including many many innocent and good men, have been irretrievably tarnished by the failure to treat one class of people as simply human and as much in need of the oversight of safeguarding authorities, as any other group.
thanks! this is a long listen but graham goes over the way gc issues have been reported. he clearly argues that basic gc ideas are not in any way extremist, such as women's spaces free from men, women's sport for women only - and highlighting how seriously warped sissyporn/fetishism is being mainstreamed by the 'trans' lobby- (-women's book prize and certain academics), and so much more.
i ignored researching gc ideas for so long - because i just took for granted the bullying that women receive when they stick their necks out (jkr etc), and not appreciating how vicious the attacks on women and men who stand up to this 'shouty' mob are. i was guilty of doing nothing.
now that the mob has moved to changing the laws, here and elsewhere, its time to go out and talk to friends/associates -straight women (not feminists), who know nothing of the mad plans of the gender identity mob.
This was so good Graham! One of your best. Sasha asked some great questions.
Next time someone calls me a Terf and I feel the need to reply I shall remember what you said that most GC feminists are not Trans Exclusive, because we include trans identified females, we are Male Exclusive.
You are right, Graham, misogyny and entiltlement is at the heart of the cover up. Those features of trans culture are the things that make it so much of a cover-up. Cancel culture is terrifying and to question the issues is seen as heresy by the cancel culture - Look into the case of Richard Stallman, a great and respected computer programmer. Cancelled, returned, and was almost cancelled again for no other reason than that he criticised jeffrey Epstein. The media were twisting his words and accepting everything the cancel culture said while ignoring the real facts. Overt Fetishes and perversion are being presented to the public as normal
My god, what a great conversation, Graham, seriously it isnt just American journalists ignoring the issues. Look at UK media, it's the same
I wish I knew who these people are, never heard of either of them, but if they are against you they can't be good.
Really enjoyed this. Well done
This is absolutely stellar. Both of you are great. That thing you identified at the end -- the "do it to Julia" effect -- is called "the ingrouping heuristic." Journalists are probably far more subject to it than the rest of us because they speak with power all the time. Journalism has framed its own existence as an elite profession that checks other elites. Katie and Jesse may not have been readmitted to the inner circle of ideology but they did get to feel better about their own elite-ness.
It's a status chase all the way down.
last night I watched the netflix movie "what the health" and this guy does a great job of showing how the lobbies dominate the organizations that are supposed to be fighting heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. I got chills when he went into pharma in the second part of the film. everyone concerned about this issue should watch that movie. He showed a graph that shows pharma is the biggest lobby by like an astronomical amount, over the other three biggest ones (guns and some other stuff)...the bar graph looked like the Empire state building looming over a few walmarts. It was really an "aha" moment seeing how these animal product industries and the drug industry are lobbying to keep people sick and then sell them drugs to not cure but maintain their life.
When I watched this guy showing how evil, criminal, and corrupt this is, I kept thinking 'but would they do this to children?'...he demonstrated how type one diabetes may be caused in kids by dairy products....the answer is of course they would. I'm convinced now after watching this film, particularly the second half about the pharmaceutical industry, that Big Pharma is driving the child transition movement. THEY are the ones who have everything to gain...20k a year on cross sex hormones for the lifespan of every child they transition.
I'm stunned speechless watching the GOP turn down the obscene amount of money from big pharma in the US ... this is kind of unheard of for the GOP to not take the money...