Just read your brief. Very interesting and useful. I am joining the local Safer Neighbourhood Panel this Autumn and I won't stand for this nonsense in my neighbourhood. I am now retired from work and have stood down as a local Councillor...so cannot be 'cancelled'.I am free to speak my mind. If they try to sack me from the SNP I shall kick up one hell of a fuss. As a former Councillor I know how the system works plus have experienced standing up to physical and virtual mobs. Coppers stick to catching burglars, muggers, fraudsters and dealing with serious anti social behaviour in some parts of the community - not harassing law abidng people for statements that some people find a bit 'hurty'.
So, what do we do about it? How do we get this officer dismissed? How do we ensure that the police henceforth keep to their task of enforcing the criminal law of the land, rather than bullying citizens into taking political stances which are NOT the law?
A lot of the time they want to get into the police and it's like a stepping stone, I think this person has just blown their chances as they obviously haven't got the right skills. The Police need to look at who provided the training as they really got their hooks into her, in effect her career is probably up the shitter. I've dealt so many times with the police and the ones I met aren't that bright, they just repeat. My neighbour now puts he/him on emails because his boss does but doesn't understand how offensive that is to him. They are a bit like robots.
Oh my God really? I think the CPS would laugh it out of court. Have you ever managed people? Most people are not intentionally bad, it sounds like that PCSO was on her own, why was that? Why was she not with a serving police officer. It's a training issue.
The police officer is woefully ignorant and misinformed and all of her peers will have the same views, would have gone to the same workshops. It is so sickening how they have been so brainwashed where are the grown ups in the police force?
To not know that rape is penetrative sex by a penis. I dont even think she knows that transwomen have penises. She just knows they might say they are women and that’s it, poor lambkins. Gobsmacking.
So she gets told to go home and it gets brushed under the carpet. I don't agree with how she did it or how she did it but the training is the issue. She did what she was taught she certainly need a to work on her people skills and she herself may realise that she was off on one and not up to the job. Asking for her to be sacked is extreme and the sort of thing TRAs would be demanding. It does not solve the problem.
People don't just get sacked, there is an investigation and one of the outcomes would be further training and supervision. I certainly wouldn't like anyone sacked.
She may be a single mother with children to house and feed. Why would you see her jobless when it would be equally efficacious to have her disciplined and put to work elsewhere?
Should the public have to put up with that level of intimidation and harassment in their own home because that woman(?) might possibly have children to feed?
She has abused the uniform.
I'm sure there are other means with which to feed her potential children that don't involve intimidation and harassment.
The voice, right? I, at first thought the officer was a woman, but then thought...hang on...could it be a female-identifying male officer lecturing Bella and her daughters on how they were not allowed to display/ engage in "anti-trans" (sic) views outside the interior of their home?
"Oh it's not beliefs, it's not beliefs it's fact. It's not a belief system, it's not 'do you believe in God?' you know, something you can't see… that's not what this is"
Except that's exactly what this is. It is literally stating as fact something you can't see or prove. As far as I understand it, if you ran DNA tests on a trans woman, the fact is you would find them to be male. Or have I missed something?
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" as I believe Carl Sagan said.
Also, as Harry Miller put it, "You're not the police anymore. You're the paramilitary wing of the trans lobby".
This has actually made me go all hot with rage. How fucking DARE this PCSO do that? It just highlights though, doesn’t it, how confident she obviously feels that she’ll be backed up by the rest of them.
Yup, I'm nicely simmering at red level now. Because she probably will be backed up by those burrowed away in every police area across the entire UK. Those who are promoting and promulgating this propaganda need to be held responsible. All those remote, third party 'training providers'. I wonder how many are proud owners of Queer Theory degrees and 'further training'.
This PCSO sounds utterly unhinged! And she won't be the only one. The whole Force needs to be de-programmed - de-stonewalled - it's incredibly worrying to witness how deeply this misogynist, homophobic ideology is now embedded within our society. How on earth can people be this credulous? I will never understand such stupidity. People are completely losing the ability to think critically or logically. Get me in a room with this PCSO - I'd wipe the floor with her drivel.
It might be that her training really did encourage her to believe exactly that - it's a calling almost to save people's poor mistaken bigoted ungendered souls. Repent! Repent! The gender is nigh! Or take this fine if you like.
She was a “plastic bobby”, a “not-a-proper-copper” who took it upon herself to berate a vulnerable woman while going door to door regarding drug dealing in the area. Absolutely appalling and a total misuse of power.
Interestingly, the home owner had already had two ‘real’ female police officers at her door who didn’t take offence at the sticker. It would seem this PCSO made it her mission to ‘re-educate’ the woman.
Yes looks to me as if the PCSO had checked to see if the sticker was still up, was angry that it was, & decided to knock at this lady’s door. Harassment, pure & simple.
Ah but it's like a Gary Larson cartoon - these glitterologists read that as 'trans people don't exist' or maybe even 'women's ideology erases trans'.
She may have a word order reading comprehension issue and picked up some random words from 'training' like ideology. It appeared like she thought it was the 'ideology' of believing we can't change sex and the 'fact' we can. The actual opposite of what it is. If you don't know what these words mean you probably do need further training. And a bridge I have to sell you.
The trouble is getting Stonewall out of the police force will not solve anything, like bindweed, it's in the ground and continues to grow. The seed that's been planted by those lunatics will grow and be the national flower of the force!! Maniacs, the lot of them!! Another group for the list of services that will need deep seated disinfecting come the day!!! What an aggressive bully, needs re-educating herself and removing from being in the public sphere!
How did they set about de-Nazification in post-war Germany? We might need to take some ideas from that, although of course, that was an official, top-down process run by the victorious forces, whereas we are an ad-hoc grassroots movement . . . which might work a lot better actually !
Yes. I've thought this a lot. Look up the tales of those involved and it's pretty galling or impressive depending on how you view it. Setting the entire future direction of a country from scratch. They actually sat down and planned how to. There were a group (a few groups) of people drawn from the 'Allies' assembled to face that dilemma head on and they set up the written constitution to do as much as they could to nip anything remotely like it in the bud. Formally outlawed it and anything that meant certain groups could seed themselves through the body politic and take over the system by rigging it in 'legitimate' ways. Creeping authoritarianism. Which is why it's so sad that TRAs have used that very legal structure to their own purpose. It's fascinating comparing that and the assemblage of how we do things and constitutional affairs in the UK (see Brexit).
The far right are still present in Germany (and UK) and there are laws to manage their progress, but it's not stopping the extremist behaviour from the 'new' 'right side of history'.
Read Hans Helmut Kirst’s series of novels about Gunner Asch. The denazification was a rather cynical exercise in some cases (esp when rocket scientists were needed in the West). People with contacts got the benefit of the doubt; little people got stuffed; as usual.
It’s horrific. However, it was recorded and I hope and pray that this Woman will now be suspended pending investigation. If not…she will be by the end of the day once GB News get this story out. She was so quick thinking to record it all. Well done Bella. We all need to record our conversations with Police from now on. This is where we are. Horrific. I tell you, if they come near me they are not getting in my house without a warrant.
I thought I was unshockable at this point but this peaked me all over again. Understand Fair Cop ate on the case so let's hope this gets the publicity it deserves and this rotten, stinking, evil ideology is driven out of our public services for good.
I'm going to annotate this with comments on the law later
Good. This is frightening.
Thank you
Thanks, Dennis.
Just read your brief. Very interesting and useful. I am joining the local Safer Neighbourhood Panel this Autumn and I won't stand for this nonsense in my neighbourhood. I am now retired from work and have stood down as a local Councillor...so cannot be 'cancelled'.I am free to speak my mind. If they try to sack me from the SNP I shall kick up one hell of a fuss. As a former Councillor I know how the system works plus have experienced standing up to physical and virtual mobs. Coppers stick to catching burglars, muggers, fraudsters and dealing with serious anti social behaviour in some parts of the community - not harassing law abidng people for statements that some people find a bit 'hurty'.
I was listening to Harry Miller speaking with Brendan O'Neill earlier and he said he'd stood up to the Police, calling
them the paramilitary arm of Stonewall.
https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/fighting-the-thoughtpolice/
So, what do we do about it? How do we get this officer dismissed? How do we ensure that the police henceforth keep to their task of enforcing the criminal law of the land, rather than bullying citizens into taking political stances which are NOT the law?
It's not about getting that person dismissed, it's about getting them reeducated to what the law is. They obviously get off on being a plastic copper.
She perpetrated an abuse of power though. If that isn't a sacking offence I don't know what is.
A lot of the time they want to get into the police and it's like a stepping stone, I think this person has just blown their chances as they obviously haven't got the right skills. The Police need to look at who provided the training as they really got their hooks into her, in effect her career is probably up the shitter. I've dealt so many times with the police and the ones I met aren't that bright, they just repeat. My neighbour now puts he/him on emails because his boss does but doesn't understand how offensive that is to him. They are a bit like robots.
Oh my God really? I think the CPS would laugh it out of court. Have you ever managed people? Most people are not intentionally bad, it sounds like that PCSO was on her own, why was that? Why was she not with a serving police officer. It's a training issue.
Good luck with that, you sound like an obsessive so it should go down well.
She needs to be trained properly. Sacking will not do any good, she's been indoctrinated and fired up.
The police officer is woefully ignorant and misinformed and all of her peers will have the same views, would have gone to the same workshops. It is so sickening how they have been so brainwashed where are the grown ups in the police force?
To not know that rape is penetrative sex by a penis. I dont even think she knows that transwomen have penises. She just knows they might say they are women and that’s it, poor lambkins. Gobsmacking.
I meant that rape is legally defined as NON CONSENSUAL penetrative sex with penis!!🤓
So she gets told to go home and it gets brushed under the carpet. I don't agree with how she did it or how she did it but the training is the issue. She did what she was taught she certainly need a to work on her people skills and she herself may realise that she was off on one and not up to the job. Asking for her to be sacked is extreme and the sort of thing TRAs would be demanding. It does not solve the problem.
A person with uniform power bullying a vulnerable woman
And why? Indoctrination.
People don't just get sacked, there is an investigation and one of the outcomes would be further training and supervision. I certainly wouldn't like anyone sacked.
She may be a single mother with children to house and feed. Why would you see her jobless when it would be equally efficacious to have her disciplined and put to work elsewhere?
There are many job vacancies in all sectors of work today.
She does not have the qualities to police.
She is steeped in this.... the ole look at my lanyard.!
Maybe bailiff, debt collector, prison warden...work where you start spouting off you will feel the consequences of free speech!
So?
Should the public have to put up with that level of intimidation and harassment in their own home because that woman(?) might possibly have children to feed?
She has abused the uniform.
I'm sure there are other means with which to feed her potential children that don't involve intimidation and harassment.
Then NOBODY should get sacked, EVER. Unless they're, I dunno, an trust-fund kid or something.
Is THAT what you're proposing? Seriously?
Wow, assumed it would be a male police officer...
The voice, right? I, at first thought the officer was a woman, but then thought...hang on...could it be a female-identifying male officer lecturing Bella and her daughters on how they were not allowed to display/ engage in "anti-trans" (sic) views outside the interior of their home?
Me too.
This section particularly stood out:
"Oh it's not beliefs, it's not beliefs it's fact. It's not a belief system, it's not 'do you believe in God?' you know, something you can't see… that's not what this is"
Except that's exactly what this is. It is literally stating as fact something you can't see or prove. As far as I understand it, if you ran DNA tests on a trans woman, the fact is you would find them to be male. Or have I missed something?
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" as I believe Carl Sagan said.
Also, as Harry Miller put it, "You're not the police anymore. You're the paramilitary wing of the trans lobby".
Spot on!
Another applicable quote, from Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
This has actually made me go all hot with rage. How fucking DARE this PCSO do that? It just highlights though, doesn’t it, how confident she obviously feels that she’ll be backed up by the rest of them.
Ugh. I’m SO angry at this.
Yup, I'm nicely simmering at red level now. Because she probably will be backed up by those burrowed away in every police area across the entire UK. Those who are promoting and promulgating this propaganda need to be held responsible. All those remote, third party 'training providers'. I wonder how many are proud owners of Queer Theory degrees and 'further training'.
This PCSO sounds utterly unhinged! And she won't be the only one. The whole Force needs to be de-programmed - de-stonewalled - it's incredibly worrying to witness how deeply this misogynist, homophobic ideology is now embedded within our society. How on earth can people be this credulous? I will never understand such stupidity. People are completely losing the ability to think critically or logically. Get me in a room with this PCSO - I'd wipe the floor with her drivel.
Odd isn't it how indoctrinated people think they are the educated ones.
It might be that her training really did encourage her to believe exactly that - it's a calling almost to save people's poor mistaken bigoted ungendered souls. Repent! Repent! The gender is nigh! Or take this fine if you like.
I am so angry. I'm livid. How dare they show up to a women door and bully her. How dare they?
this is unreal. a horror movie being played out in real life. How on earth? i have seldom been so angry.
She was a “plastic bobby”, a “not-a-proper-copper” who took it upon herself to berate a vulnerable woman while going door to door regarding drug dealing in the area. Absolutely appalling and a total misuse of power.
Interestingly, the home owner had already had two ‘real’ female police officers at her door who didn’t take offence at the sticker. It would seem this PCSO made it her mission to ‘re-educate’ the woman.
Yes looks to me as if the PCSO had checked to see if the sticker was still up, was angry that it was, & decided to knock at this lady’s door. Harassment, pure & simple.
Do you know which Police Force it was or what the sticker actually said? Thanks!
the sticker said 'trans ideology erases women'
Ah but it's like a Gary Larson cartoon - these glitterologists read that as 'trans people don't exist' or maybe even 'women's ideology erases trans'.
She may have a word order reading comprehension issue and picked up some random words from 'training' like ideology. It appeared like she thought it was the 'ideology' of believing we can't change sex and the 'fact' we can. The actual opposite of what it is. If you don't know what these words mean you probably do need further training. And a bridge I have to sell you.
Thanks!
Sorry to ask (Aussie), what's a 'plastic bobby'? I did try to google, but no luck. I hope it means she's not a real police officer.
That’s exactly what it means. PCSO is community officer with no real policing powers, therefore ‘plastic’
Thank you.
She's a shocker!
Getting Stonewall out of the police service has to be a priority. Its an excuse to harass people in their own homes.
The trouble is getting Stonewall out of the police force will not solve anything, like bindweed, it's in the ground and continues to grow. The seed that's been planted by those lunatics will grow and be the national flower of the force!! Maniacs, the lot of them!! Another group for the list of services that will need deep seated disinfecting come the day!!! What an aggressive bully, needs re-educating herself and removing from being in the public sphere!
How did they set about de-Nazification in post-war Germany? We might need to take some ideas from that, although of course, that was an official, top-down process run by the victorious forces, whereas we are an ad-hoc grassroots movement . . . which might work a lot better actually !
Yes. I've thought this a lot. Look up the tales of those involved and it's pretty galling or impressive depending on how you view it. Setting the entire future direction of a country from scratch. They actually sat down and planned how to. There were a group (a few groups) of people drawn from the 'Allies' assembled to face that dilemma head on and they set up the written constitution to do as much as they could to nip anything remotely like it in the bud. Formally outlawed it and anything that meant certain groups could seed themselves through the body politic and take over the system by rigging it in 'legitimate' ways. Creeping authoritarianism. Which is why it's so sad that TRAs have used that very legal structure to their own purpose. It's fascinating comparing that and the assemblage of how we do things and constitutional affairs in the UK (see Brexit).
The far right are still present in Germany (and UK) and there are laws to manage their progress, but it's not stopping the extremist behaviour from the 'new' 'right side of history'.
That's interesting: they sat down and planned !
Do you know a good book about it?
Bit distracted but will think on and reply if I can :-)
Read Hans Helmut Kirst’s series of novels about Gunner Asch. The denazification was a rather cynical exercise in some cases (esp when rocket scientists were needed in the West). People with contacts got the benefit of the doubt; little people got stuffed; as usual.
Thanks, Alison. I'll try and get hold of those.
Unbelievable. Is this really the UK in 2022?
If this doesn't peak you, nothing will. Truly horrifying.
It’s horrific. However, it was recorded and I hope and pray that this Woman will now be suspended pending investigation. If not…she will be by the end of the day once GB News get this story out. She was so quick thinking to record it all. Well done Bella. We all need to record our conversations with Police from now on. This is where we are. Horrific. I tell you, if they come near me they are not getting in my house without a warrant.
The daughters are great! Don’t look at it then…..
Yes, I thought that was particularly pertinent following on from the reactions of TRAs to the Wi Spa incident.
I thought I was unshockable at this point but this peaked me all over again. Understand Fair Cop ate on the case so let's hope this gets the publicity it deserves and this rotten, stinking, evil ideology is driven out of our public services for good.
Oh my God.
That really is shocking