OMG! I read the Guardian piece and toyed with getting the book out of the library but this is beyond parody. Feeling extra pissed off as someone who has written a proper novel and just had ninth rejection and yet this pile of shite can get published and widely promoted.
Ha ha! Acc to twitter I'm a lesbian - I don't hate men or male bodies and I do date them (or did before I married my husband 20 years ago). The fact I've never fancied women is apparently immaterial. Perhaps I could invent a new category of non-binary allocishet lesbian - that should guarantee publication.
Fair point - I only just discovered the allocishet thing - I honestly thought it was a joke. Someone funnier than me on twitter said it always reminded her of the song Allocishet, gentille allocishet
OMG that's appalling - seven years to write? Seven years to decipher WTF he's saying, more like. P*nis Sleaze was on "Lorraine" this morning, apparently. Doubt the host asked him about saying "I'm not happy unless I go home with a stranger's 🐓 in my mouth" and at what point in the encounter he disclosed he also has a 🐓.
To my mind, 'write what you know' is the stupidest piece of advice you can give a budding writer, unless they have an interesting personal tale to tell. A self-obsessed dullard is only going to write dull crap.
Writing prose in the vernacular won't produce another 'Trainspotting' (or should it be 'transpotting'?)
Although I wouldn’t touch that drivel with a barge pole I’ve just watched the interview on Lorraine. She absolutely passes in presentation and it isn’t her trans status that I have any issue with. She’s leading her life as her authentic self. Good for her. Her presentation as a transwoman to the public makes TRAs seem reasonable. She wouldn’t pose a threat to me in a public toilet. What is hidden from public is the self iD brigade with beards and full male genitalia trying to push their rights to enter female only spaces, lesbian spaces and hijack women’s sex based rights. She’s a Trojan horse.
I'm going to disagree with you there. The reason that transwomen are a threat to women in changing rooms and public toilets is that they are men, and men commit the vast majority of violent crimes and the overwhelming majority of sexual crimes. Paris Lees went to jail as a juvenile for mugging and beating up an elderly man, a fact that has conveniently been scrubbed from most of the internet. He wrote a whole article on how he loves to be catcalled because it's so validating, and how we silly women can all just choose not be intimidated and scared by men yelling at us in the street and be "empowered" instead. Go read the article in Vice, learn what Paris thinks of women, and then come back and tell me that it's cool to have him in your public toilet. I'd be uncomfortable having him in my CITY.
This is where I’m challenged by my own desire to be tolerant and inclusive. I’m taking on board what you’ve said. I want to support those with genuine gender dysphoria who feel that presenting as the opposite gender is their way to deal with those conflicting feelings. However, there needs to be a truth of what transgender is. People cannot change sex, they were not born in the wrong body, many TIMs have underlying sexual fetishes and are misogynistic if not downright aggressive towards women and gender ideology proves a danger to the safeguarding of vulnerable young people. I hate that the trans movement has made me feel any kind of antagonism towards the life choices of others but I have to remind myself that we didn’t start this war. We have to take a hard line but it really goes against my liberal views. I’m saddened by that.
I've come to believe that supporting or encouraging anything about this movement is tantamount to killing people with kindness. I held my screaming, sobbing baby down to be vaccinated because I knew I was preventing something much worse than a needle. This is just like that. I try to think about all the teen girls taking testosterone who will atrophy their uteruses and become sterile and the youths having dangerous, mutilating surgeries that will harm them for life. All based on a lie. The people on Reddit going "sure I would date a trans person!" while the actual figures show that's not actually true and what a difficult life these young people are setting themselves up for. The AGPs are actually easier to think of because they readily reveal how creepy and gross they are.
Not all transwomen are a threat. I have 2 friends who are transexual...their term not mine. Ada and Ray who as homoesexual men in the Bible Belt of the USA in the 1950s were browbeaten into believing they were women and both went to Argentina for their "conversion to women" (again their words). They both know they are men but look like older women. Neither has ever been a threat to women. They are thoroughly decent human beings who before all this transgendered nonsense and self-id started did equality and diversity training where they were happy to say that transwomen are men and that transmen are women. They have been cancelled much more than women and are now "in hiding" from the LGBT community as they feel they are being punished (they are - they are being bullied in the most nasty way - I have seen the abuse thrown at them) by the TRAs and trans youth for not understanding and upholding the "present". As they both say, "we stand tall and tell the truth. Why is that seen as a lie". As I said, two decent, loving, supportive humans who are transwomen. Please do not judge all transwomen by the likes of Paris Lees or Katie Montgomerie.
And this is exactly why I hate gender ideology. Transwomen like Debbie Hayton knows the truth and stands by her biological reality. She should be able to live her life in peace with our support but they are now vilified because they don’t agree with the gaslighting mantra that transwomen are women. I would happily share toilet facilities with Debbie and this is where this movement have taken us - I bet many older transsexuals have used women’s toilets for years without causing alarm or danger. They are also victims in this.
"Not all transwomen are a threat." Agreed. How many are a threat, and how do we know which ones?
"Neither has ever been a threat to women." How do you know? How do you know how other women feel in their presence? Do you personally have to document what you call a threat in order for these men to leave women alone?
"They have been cancelled much more than women." I mean, seriously, how could you possibly know? And so what? Being cancelled, being treated poorly, or suffering—does not justify access to a space one does not belong in.
How do I k ow they are not a threat to other women? Both lived in the Greenham Common Peace Camp for several years and are still friends with many women they met there. Both were members of the Faslane Peace Camp and lived with women there too. My friends are as much a threat to women as we here are. So don't tar all transwomen with the same brush. Are all men rapists? No. The majority are decent human beings. Same here. The minority give the majority a bad name.
I will not accept men in female spaces. None. Period. It doesn't matter if they are "nice," "sincere," "not a threat," or another's woman's bestie. It doesn't matter whether they pass, what they wear, or what kind of hormones or surgery that have or have not had. I don't want my brother, my husband, my gay colleague, or any man vetted by a well-intentioned woman, in a changing room or doctor's office unless I so choose—and unless there are no other women there who could be uncomfortable. I will not presume to tell any other woman she is obliged to accept men in women's spaces just because I choose to believe he is good and safe.
The Trojan Horse is right—and it is because we let the "good ones" into female spaces to begin with. That opened the door to the slippery slope where the only measure of womanhood is self-declaration. I say no, and you cannot say yes for me.
Look how many men claim to "identify as" women but do not identify *with* women. If trans-identifying males were really women, they would be empathetic about women's spaces—not acting like men do, trying to dominate women and dismiss our need for privacy.
Well, this is it. I agree with you. A person who goes the whole hog (regardless of any fetish) is rather sincere. The cross-dressers with attitude are the real menace.
Has he gone the whole hog though? I very much doubt it. "Surgery" almost invariably means boob job, hair plugs, laser hairy removal & facial feminisation rather than vaginoplasty and because they're all liars imho.
Again I have not seen and only heard second hand that apparently on a reality show they left after being quizzed on whether they’d had full or any GRS.
No, ofc we can't ask. But I'd say it's safe to assume they haven't, especially the gay ones unless they wanna go full-on trap to trick straight guys. I mean, it is girl dick after all so why would they?
Yes, he spoke and said "all women - black women, disabled women, plus-size women, transgender women"!!! and got a roar of applause and whooping. Erasure Faye was also on the stage with him. Think Owen Jones was also there.
Wow snarky. It interests me because I’m an astrologer. It also shows paris lees doesn’t even bother with basic research. Nor do her editors. It interests me if she’s an Aquarian because it’s the sign most associated with being transgender. We have just moved into the age of Aquarius and it’s no coincidence that queer theory and transgender Ian have come to the fore. I must research this more.
My apologies. I had no intention of sounding snarky.
PL obviously coasts on 'fame' (notoriety?) and our bent society permits this. But the public are quite discerning and I am confident the book will sell few copies and be in charity shops rapidly.
I had read the name thing as PL's birth name being George so that bit was lost on me for a while. I thought the age of Aquarius was female and that's why so many men are kicking against it. A strange concatenation of circumstances whatever.
New member here. Just trying to get a feel for things - where's the party? But the first time I came across the term mediocre men was with this quote. It's about the ad industry. "I hear from women who say: 'I don’t want to be hired just because I’m a woman.’ My response is, ‘Get over it. And look around you at all the incompetent men who got hired just because they are men.’ " For years now, Cindy has been pointing out that the creative directors in the advertising are 97% men, and this skews our vision of the world big time. And yes, they are mediocre. I know, I worked in advertising for a bit. And this scares me because I think advertising is our #1 cultural "art form." That's why we keep seeing the fat beer shlub with 6 bikini babes hovering over him, or while young women have orgasms washing their hair, and mothers dance with brooms. Yeah, right. https://twitter.com/cindygallop/status/1335272222966099968/photo/1
I hate, hate, HATE when people write in vernacular like this and get it wrong. It's grating and irritating and lots of other - ings.
And the patronising "ooh look at this authentic working class trans person, how gritty and thrilling" review. Oh, they can both just fuck off.
OMG! I read the Guardian piece and toyed with getting the book out of the library but this is beyond parody. Feeling extra pissed off as someone who has written a proper novel and just had ninth rejection and yet this pile of shite can get published and widely promoted.
Have you considered sending your manuscript and telling them you’re non binary?
Ha ha! Acc to twitter I'm a lesbian - I don't hate men or male bodies and I do date them (or did before I married my husband 20 years ago). The fact I've never fancied women is apparently immaterial. Perhaps I could invent a new category of non-binary allocishet lesbian - that should guarantee publication.
Please never use the cis prefix even in jesr. It's part of the controlling the narrative by the transgenderists.
Fair point - I only just discovered the allocishet thing - I honestly thought it was a joke. Someone funnier than me on twitter said it always reminded her of the song Allocishet, gentille allocishet
Allocishet, je te plumerai
😁 btw am jist super sensitive to that ghastly.prefix.
Good God that is fantastically shit.
Lees got a massive feature in the Guardian mag at the weekend, glossing the childhood sexual abuse and prostitution with a bit of vague euphemism.
Attempting to read the mangled dialect is like having a migraine narrated by Little & Large through megaphones.
OMG that's appalling - seven years to write? Seven years to decipher WTF he's saying, more like. P*nis Sleaze was on "Lorraine" this morning, apparently. Doubt the host asked him about saying "I'm not happy unless I go home with a stranger's 🐓 in my mouth" and at what point in the encounter he disclosed he also has a 🐓.
Indeed. And what was the general response to the "🐓 in my mouth" bit? Betting it wasn't quite what women would get for saying that. But TWAW eh? 🙄
Diplomatic immunity by opt-in.
Did they completely bypass the stage where books are EDITED? 😆😆 That is horrendous. Even more embarrassing that it's intentional.
Any editor's head would have exploded trying to render that crap dull story into something readable
That’s the pits. Shockingly bad.
To my mind, 'write what you know' is the stupidest piece of advice you can give a budding writer, unless they have an interesting personal tale to tell. A self-obsessed dullard is only going to write dull crap.
Writing prose in the vernacular won't produce another 'Trainspotting' (or should it be 'transpotting'?)
Peri-sleaze, said my brain. (Not me, guv, it wor muh brain.)
The Alan Partridge clip is great, thanks.
I’ve seen people calling him Penis Lees, and a tweet pointing out that another term for Lees is “dregs”. “Penis Dregs” seems quite apt.
I'm looking forward to the Wallace and Gromit film of this book. "Aye up Paris time for t'walkies"
The Wrong Genitals
“It reads like a review I would write if the author had kidnapped my dog” 🤣 🤣
Although I wouldn’t touch that drivel with a barge pole I’ve just watched the interview on Lorraine. She absolutely passes in presentation and it isn’t her trans status that I have any issue with. She’s leading her life as her authentic self. Good for her. Her presentation as a transwoman to the public makes TRAs seem reasonable. She wouldn’t pose a threat to me in a public toilet. What is hidden from public is the self iD brigade with beards and full male genitalia trying to push their rights to enter female only spaces, lesbian spaces and hijack women’s sex based rights. She’s a Trojan horse.
I'm going to disagree with you there. The reason that transwomen are a threat to women in changing rooms and public toilets is that they are men, and men commit the vast majority of violent crimes and the overwhelming majority of sexual crimes. Paris Lees went to jail as a juvenile for mugging and beating up an elderly man, a fact that has conveniently been scrubbed from most of the internet. He wrote a whole article on how he loves to be catcalled because it's so validating, and how we silly women can all just choose not be intimidated and scared by men yelling at us in the street and be "empowered" instead. Go read the article in Vice, learn what Paris thinks of women, and then come back and tell me that it's cool to have him in your public toilet. I'd be uncomfortable having him in my CITY.
This is where I’m challenged by my own desire to be tolerant and inclusive. I’m taking on board what you’ve said. I want to support those with genuine gender dysphoria who feel that presenting as the opposite gender is their way to deal with those conflicting feelings. However, there needs to be a truth of what transgender is. People cannot change sex, they were not born in the wrong body, many TIMs have underlying sexual fetishes and are misogynistic if not downright aggressive towards women and gender ideology proves a danger to the safeguarding of vulnerable young people. I hate that the trans movement has made me feel any kind of antagonism towards the life choices of others but I have to remind myself that we didn’t start this war. We have to take a hard line but it really goes against my liberal views. I’m saddened by that.
I've come to believe that supporting or encouraging anything about this movement is tantamount to killing people with kindness. I held my screaming, sobbing baby down to be vaccinated because I knew I was preventing something much worse than a needle. This is just like that. I try to think about all the teen girls taking testosterone who will atrophy their uteruses and become sterile and the youths having dangerous, mutilating surgeries that will harm them for life. All based on a lie. The people on Reddit going "sure I would date a trans person!" while the actual figures show that's not actually true and what a difficult life these young people are setting themselves up for. The AGPs are actually easier to think of because they readily reveal how creepy and gross they are.
Not all transwomen are a threat. I have 2 friends who are transexual...their term not mine. Ada and Ray who as homoesexual men in the Bible Belt of the USA in the 1950s were browbeaten into believing they were women and both went to Argentina for their "conversion to women" (again their words). They both know they are men but look like older women. Neither has ever been a threat to women. They are thoroughly decent human beings who before all this transgendered nonsense and self-id started did equality and diversity training where they were happy to say that transwomen are men and that transmen are women. They have been cancelled much more than women and are now "in hiding" from the LGBT community as they feel they are being punished (they are - they are being bullied in the most nasty way - I have seen the abuse thrown at them) by the TRAs and trans youth for not understanding and upholding the "present". As they both say, "we stand tall and tell the truth. Why is that seen as a lie". As I said, two decent, loving, supportive humans who are transwomen. Please do not judge all transwomen by the likes of Paris Lees or Katie Montgomerie.
And this is exactly why I hate gender ideology. Transwomen like Debbie Hayton knows the truth and stands by her biological reality. She should be able to live her life in peace with our support but they are now vilified because they don’t agree with the gaslighting mantra that transwomen are women. I would happily share toilet facilities with Debbie and this is where this movement have taken us - I bet many older transsexuals have used women’s toilets for years without causing alarm or danger. They are also victims in this.
"Not all transwomen are a threat." Agreed. How many are a threat, and how do we know which ones?
"Neither has ever been a threat to women." How do you know? How do you know how other women feel in their presence? Do you personally have to document what you call a threat in order for these men to leave women alone?
"They have been cancelled much more than women." I mean, seriously, how could you possibly know? And so what? Being cancelled, being treated poorly, or suffering—does not justify access to a space one does not belong in.
How do I k ow they are not a threat to other women? Both lived in the Greenham Common Peace Camp for several years and are still friends with many women they met there. Both were members of the Faslane Peace Camp and lived with women there too. My friends are as much a threat to women as we here are. So don't tar all transwomen with the same brush. Are all men rapists? No. The majority are decent human beings. Same here. The minority give the majority a bad name.
"Not all men."
Yes, I linked below.
Thanks! I was writing my reply as you posted but great minds and all that!
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I will not accept men in female spaces. None. Period. It doesn't matter if they are "nice," "sincere," "not a threat," or another's woman's bestie. It doesn't matter whether they pass, what they wear, or what kind of hormones or surgery that have or have not had. I don't want my brother, my husband, my gay colleague, or any man vetted by a well-intentioned woman, in a changing room or doctor's office unless I so choose—and unless there are no other women there who could be uncomfortable. I will not presume to tell any other woman she is obliged to accept men in women's spaces just because I choose to believe he is good and safe.
The Trojan Horse is right—and it is because we let the "good ones" into female spaces to begin with. That opened the door to the slippery slope where the only measure of womanhood is self-declaration. I say no, and you cannot say yes for me.
Look how many men claim to "identify as" women but do not identify *with* women. If trans-identifying males were really women, they would be empathetic about women's spaces—not acting like men do, trying to dominate women and dismiss our need for privacy.
Well, this is it. I agree with you. A person who goes the whole hog (regardless of any fetish) is rather sincere. The cross-dressers with attitude are the real menace.
Has he gone the whole hog though? I very much doubt it. "Surgery" almost invariably means boob job, hair plugs, laser hairy removal & facial feminisation rather than vaginoplasty and because they're all liars imho.
Again I have not seen and only heard second hand that apparently on a reality show they left after being quizzed on whether they’d had full or any GRS.
Maybe this one hasn't but generally, that's where I stand
Yes but are we allowed to ask "isit that you as ad it chop'd off" or is the very question transphobic?
No, ofc we can't ask. But I'd say it's safe to assume they haven't, especially the gay ones unless they wanna go full-on trap to trick straight guys. I mean, it is girl dick after all so why would they?
It's a fair question
He doesn't have a GRC, he said so on twitter.
I read on mumsnet that PL was invited to speak at the Women’s March London in 2018 (which is up there with the usual TWAW twoddle) and other writings are pretty dire/deliberately sensationalist e.g. https://www.vice.com/sv/article/zn7b79/enjoying-catcalls-paris-lees-column
Yes, he spoke and said "all women - black women, disabled women, plus-size women, transgender women"!!! and got a roar of applause and whooping. Erasure Faye was also on the stage with him. Think Owen Jones was also there.
Really? Ugh!
What a load of shite!
Actually Byron was an Aquarian. He's born the same day as me. Hmm does that mean Paris Lees is born that day too?
Maybe but as there are only 365 days in a year and what? 6-7 billion people, there is an awful lot of birthday-sharing going on.
Wow snarky. It interests me because I’m an astrologer. It also shows paris lees doesn’t even bother with basic research. Nor do her editors. It interests me if she’s an Aquarian because it’s the sign most associated with being transgender. We have just moved into the age of Aquarius and it’s no coincidence that queer theory and transgender Ian have come to the fore. I must research this more.
That's quite generous to assume Lees had an editor. 😁
My apologies. I had no intention of sounding snarky.
PL obviously coasts on 'fame' (notoriety?) and our bent society permits this. But the public are quite discerning and I am confident the book will sell few copies and be in charity shops rapidly.
I had read the name thing as PL's birth name being George so that bit was lost on me for a while. I thought the age of Aquarius was female and that's why so many men are kicking against it. A strange concatenation of circumstances whatever.
New member here. Just trying to get a feel for things - where's the party? But the first time I came across the term mediocre men was with this quote. It's about the ad industry. "I hear from women who say: 'I don’t want to be hired just because I’m a woman.’ My response is, ‘Get over it. And look around you at all the incompetent men who got hired just because they are men.’ " For years now, Cindy has been pointing out that the creative directors in the advertising are 97% men, and this skews our vision of the world big time. And yes, they are mediocre. I know, I worked in advertising for a bit. And this scares me because I think advertising is our #1 cultural "art form." That's why we keep seeing the fat beer shlub with 6 bikini babes hovering over him, or while young women have orgasms washing their hair, and mothers dance with brooms. Yeah, right. https://twitter.com/cindygallop/status/1335272222966099968/photo/1
Welcome :-)
thank you